Value Added Software

Two weeks from Free Agency lift off. Contrary to last year, there aren’t a lot of skeptics who will be howling if Trent Baalke sits out the first week of action. Baalke was a very cool customer last year, as he stuck to his “plan” while complaints roared in from every corner of the 49er empire. This year, he’s sporting Executive of the Year honors as a criticism shield.

He’s also sporting “Super Bowl Contender” as a sales incentive. The players who are just looking for the money will still go else where, but guys looking to play for a winner, too, will listen a little longer and try a little harder to reach a deal. That may not help since the team needs a big time WR this year, and WRs are not highly regarded in matters related to cognitive effort. Still, it can’t hurt.

On the home front, Baalke signed Ahmad Brooks to a six year deal Tuesday, surprising most everybody, including Brooks’ teammate, Carlos Rogers. Brooks was seen by most as a guy wanting too much money and the 49ers letting him go. Obviously, the team valued Brooks a lot more than anyone thought. It was a clear signal that the pass rush was considered the cornerstone of a good pass defense, not lock down cornerbacks, which Rogers is not. He’s either getting wider eyes for his own FA value, based on Brooks’ deal, or squintier eyes wondering if the team plans on bringing him back at a sweet price or even at all.

It’s a foregone conclusion that Alex Smith will be signing a new multi-year contract sometime in the next two weeks. The details of this contract are going to be examined by every microscope in the Bay Area. The probes will attempt to deduce the hidden value attached to Smith by 49er HQ. For those who would rather miss the playoffs next year than see number 11 trot out to a huddle, the most sought after clue will be when the 49ers could cut Smith without much damage to the salary cap. IOW, how much do the 49ers believe in Smith.

Aaron Rodgers was a first round pick who waited three years before taking over for Brett Farve. He went 6-10 in his first year as the starter. Colin Kaepernick is a second round pick who will certainly wait at least a second year behind Smith. Whether he waits three years, depends on Smith or injury.

If Smith keeps winning games and stays healthy, he will be difficult to unseat. Especially if he wins a Super Bowl. Kaepernick may have superior skills to Smith, but the reality is, nobody benches or cuts a winning quarterback unless, like Farve and probably Peyton Manning, he is getting old and a good young talent is ready or necessary to step in.

Obviously, Smith is not getting old. He’s entering the prime of his career. Even with last year’s success, however, nobody has Franchise belief in him — at this point. He’ll have to keep winning games to stay on the job. As long as he’s winning, Kaepernick will not be getting real time experience, learning to read defenses, staying cool under pressure, or any of the other things that can only be learned by playing in actual games.

With playoffs once again at stake for the 49ers, Kaepernick is not likely to get the game time he needs to develop beyond just having potential. The exhibition season will be the only showcase for his skills. Jim Harbaugh is not going to sacrifice even one game just to see how Kaepernick performs.

In actuality, Kaepernick’s biggest challenge in 2012 will be holding off Scott Tolzien for the number two, backup QB spot. Failure to clearly outshine Tolzien will not bode well for his future in red and gold, or anywhere else. He will go from QB of the future to trade bait in a hurry.

Should Kaepernick hold off Tolzien, he, like many entrenched disgruntled blogists, will have to wait patiently for the day Smith is carted off the field on a stretcher or loses three or four games in a row.

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m seeing a “breaking news flash on Ted Ginn”, but I haven’t found what the news is?

  2. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Are you awake yet?

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I saw it this morning on Stinky’s Miami Vice youtube video from last night.

  4. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Ted Ginn? He’s my boy. Harbaugh can rebuild him. With a new qb, he’ll be “better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.”
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLs0V8T5AA

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I just checked aGinn and the pop-up is different. When I clicked on it earlier it took me to Comcast Sports Bay Area. They had nothing on Ginn.

  6. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah… I checked too. I think they re-sign him pretty quick. Love to see the 49ers lockup Ginn, Snyder and Goldson before March 13th. They have time.

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Repeating what I poted about Ginn since he’s being discussed

    Spitty

    Sometimes you’re just full of shit. Hard to understand why you value Ted Ginn so much AS A WIDE RECEIVER. In 2 seasons with the Niners he’s had 31 catches 383 yds and 1 TD receiving. In 2 years 2 TDs on punt returns and 1 TD on a KO return. You want to pay him $5 mil/yr for production of 4 TDs in 2 years? That’s Devin Hester money and as much as Ginn adds to the return game he’s not Hester. At best Ginn would be a 4th receiver on a playoff team.
    FYI Ginn was targeted with 33 passes and had 3 drops. Crabtree was targeted 114 times and had 7 drops. (2011 regular season only)

    Baalke should make Ginn one of his last signings and give him what Niners can afford. He should be valued at $2.5 mil/yr for his return skills.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Under the column ‘Owner Smoking Crack’, Jerry Jones says he’d rather have Romo than Luck or Griffen. WTF?
     
    I wonder what Del has to say about that?

  9. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Raiders are $20 mil over the cap. An 8-8 team? That’s serious mismanagement. Gonna be some cuts coming.

  10. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Unca / Bullit – why you continue to post as Unca and Bullit is beyond all of us. We all know you’re the same dude. Why the charade?
    .
    Ted Ginn has had two quarterbacks throwing to him – Chad Henne and Alex Smith…. and I think Troy Smith threw to him at Ohio State… but I’m not a college guy and didn’t look that up. If I’m right, Ginn has Troy and Alex throwing to him, and Chad Henne. Receiver numbers are 50% receiver talent and 50% quarterback talent.
    You give Ginn a good qb and he’ll become a highly valued receiver. That’s why you psychopath…

  11. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    It’s 51% & 49%, Albert. Stop stretching the truth.

  12. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    If Carlos Rogers proves too expensive and difficult to sign would you consider Terrel Thomas
    CB NY Giants who was hurt last year with a torn ACL?
    His stats in 2010 were 85 tackles, the highest on the team, five interceptions, one sack, 18 passes defended and one forced fumble.
    Giants are likely to let him walk as a Free Agent.
    He would be a good Plan B.

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    This isn’t Spitblood Chronicles
    with 4 members that don’t participate and zero comments for an entire month. It is safe to say that Spitbllod Chronicles is DOA.

    When you say I’m Chuck and then say all of us who are you talking about? Is this in reference to your schizo pyschopathic behavior?
    Speaking in the plural means other people think the same. This premise goes hand in hand with your joke of a blog.

    Ginn had Chad Pennington as his QB in 2008. Pennington was All Pro and finished 2nd in the MVP voting losing to Peyton Manning.
    Being lazy has led to your foot in your mouth again.
    Receiver numbers are 50/50?
    Like the monster years Calvin Johnson had with Orlovsky and Shaun Hill as his QBs?
    Why do you bother posting this garbage? Most of your takes and assumptions are a joke.

  14. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Look at Dwayne Bowe, stinkfist. How did he perform with lousy QBing?
    .
    Ginn was run out of Miami on a rail because of his hands. He has little value as a WR. Fricking Swett Brain is a better pass catcher than Ginn, and he certainly isnlt coming back. If he comes back it’s strictly as a PR/KR.
    .
    Bullitt, Brandon Carr will likely be available if KC tags Bowe. I’d be on him in a second. And don’t bother with stinkfist’s delusions. He doesn’t even know who he is let alone anyone else. Plus, he’s the one with the myriad IDs.

  15. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Too funny. Is stinkfist still writing 10,000 word screeds to no one?

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    Jeery Jones has already let it be known that hsi Cowgurls are going after Carr and Finnegan.
    When you talk about players publicly on another’s team roster saying you’re going to pusue them, how is that not tampering?
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/28/report-cowboys-target-finnegan-carr/

  17. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It’s the Cowboys. They can tamper.

  18. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s why Spitty is full of shit. He wants the Niners to use their first 2 draft picks on receivers.Now he’s saying Ginn is a must sign for his marvelous receiving skills.
    AS for the 50/50 how did Steve Largent make it into the HOF with Dave Krieg and Jim Zorn throwing to him? Tony Gonzales had Trent Green,Damon Huard and Bobby Thigpen throwing to him but managed All Pro numbers.
    I often wonder how Spitty come sup with his nuggets of wisdom that prove to be utter BS.

  19. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It’s called short-attention-span theatre, Bullitt. Anything he posts 5 minutes ago is lost to the mists of time, never to be remembered. Everything is new and fresh. That way, he can never be accused of being wrong. Even if he contradicts himself 5 minutes later.

  20. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yes

  21. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Cam Inman had this on Carlos Rogers
    “Rogers came to the 49ers on a one-year, $4.25 million deal last season and garnered his first Pro Bowl berth. “As cornerbacks, we know our market value,” said Rogers, who then listed off his Pro Bowl and second-team All-Pro credentials.”

    “(The 49ers) is where my heart is at. They want me back. It’s a business, both for them and me. Hopefully we get something worked out.”

    “One a closing note, Tim Ryan asked Rogers his impressions of wide receiver Michael Crabtree, and Rogers responded: “The guy has got unbelievable hands and a great skill set. … He’s going to be an unbelievable player. At the same time, we need another receiver to complement him.”

    “Ryan’s co-host, Pat Kirwin, suggested that Rogers receive a five-year deal worth about $7 million a season”

    Matt Barrows just had an article that says Josh Morgan might test
    the FA market to see what he can get so his return is not for certain.

  22. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    What do you guys (not the Unca / Bullit retard show), but the rest of the blog – what do you guys think Crabtree, Edwards and Morgan could run in the 40 pre Edwards and Morgan injuries? I’d be willing to bet Morgan, Edwards and Crabtree all couldn’t run a 4.5. There’s no way to know, but I’m thinking even Ted Ginn couldn’t run a 4.3 right now, and one Niner said in a recent interview that Ginn ran an informal 4.1 in college.
    .
    I think players get slower, but I think the combine uses the 40 times as a base. Something like – “He ran a 4.4 at the combine, so if he stays in good shape his entire career, he’ll still be running a 4.7 at the end – getting open with crafty moves and shivers.” They actually used the term “shiver.”
    .
    I think speed is overrated, but it speaks more to the player’s motivation to stay in shape than anything else.
    .
    You see me working….. Sanu isn’t a first rounder, like NJ has been saying all along, because to be a first rounder, you can’t be beyond a 4.5, unless your 8’2″. But if Sanu is there in the second, at 30 – you grab him and thank your lucky stars. Or Jeffrey for that matter.

  23. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I see you don’t get tired churning out buckets of shit, Cap’t Obvious. Players get slower as they get older??? OMG. Revelation time. Everyone remember that!
    .
    As usual, you are on both sides of Sanu. And sanuty. There are probably 30 posts in the previous couple weeks where you say Sanu SHOULD be a 1st rounder. What happens if Sanu runs a 4.4 at his pro day? Waffle time again?

  24. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    And here’s one of Spitty’s posts ferom 2 weeks ago

    “CBS has the Texans taking Mohamed Sanu in the first round of their mock. That means Sanu wouldn’t even be available to us. That would suck. But can you imagine the Texans getting Manning and Sanu? With that defense and that running game? Manning to Andre Johnson? If it happens, Kubiak wouldn’t be worried about Schaub’s feelings like Harbaugh would be about Smith’s. Kubiak would just be attacking Super Bowls, while Harbaugh played wet nurse to a broken kid.
    .
    Both the Texans and 49ers have great defenses. Both have great running games. The Texans play indoors, which Manning is more accustom to. The Texans have Andre Johnson. The 49ers have Vernon Davis. But Kubiak’s not stuck on stupid with his qb position like Harbaugh. Even if Irsay cuts Manning, Irsay still loses 10 million. Irsay’s in a pickle. I look for him to start talking a lot over the next 27 days. Wigglin’ like a worm on a hook.
    .
    CBS has Alshon Jeffrey falling out of the first round. I’d take Jeffrey even if he ran a 9.2 at the combine. But then again, I recognize there’s no such thing as a reach…. unless you’re talkin’ Micheal Crabtree – who, btw, was projected to go earlier. HA HA… Draft experts… and those who believe ‘em. All knuckleheads.”

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    You never can take this clown Spitty seriously. He said he didn’t care if Jeffrey ran a 9.2
    he was drafting him in round one.
    Now he’s saying speed is overrated. Now didn’t he say earlier he was all for Ted Ginn? Can’t be for his height or weight.
    Spitty talks in circles just so he can say he was right. In the process of doing so he’s taken both sides.

  25. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    The Chuck and Bullit retard show continues.

  26. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    MM is reporting that Goldson has hired an agent who works well with the 49ers – thus further cutting into the Alex Smith contract. I wonder why Smith wasn’t the 49ers’ top priority this year…. hmmmmm.
    .
    Hannibal knows….
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=OqZVRoIoMfQ

  27. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    Wow stop the presses. Goldson hired an agent. The jokes on you though. He hired Alex Smith’s agent. LMAO!!!

  28. ROBNo Gravatar says:

    ok guys ,

    does anyone here know JUST how much ass we’re going to kick in the NFL over the next few years !!! ???

  29. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    After seeing Stephen Hill in drills at the Combine I’m very interested in adding him to the mix.
     
    40 time not withstanding, he came from a gimmicky Offense that required him to block and get deep.
    He moves well, caught everything they threw his way in Indy, (including laying out with no pads on) and, he’s TALL.
    He trumps Alshon for me without question.
    There’s a boatload of WR options this April, few guys are tall and fast.
    I can live with Hill as a part time contributor while he learns to run the Route Tree.
    Question now? Where can we expect to see him slotted?
    If Baalke wants him, I’m certain he’ll pull the trigger.
    You don’t play games at skill positions.

  30. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    As for Ginn, he holds no great amount of leverage either.
    First, it’s a deep WR Class, Second, several kids within the DB and WR Group run very well and have KR/PR ability.
    Ginn is a luxury, not a necessity.
     
    Ginn and Vernon can lift the ‘Lid’ on deep coverage due to speed.
    Neither guy is a natural ‘hands’ guy.
     
    Thinking ‘Big Target’,Red Zone Threat & ‘Lid Lifter’, Fleener and Hill fit for me.

  31. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Look at NJ – finally talking leverage. Now let me “lift the lid,” on his crackpot theory.
    .
    First off, Ginn DOES hold some leverage. He was a member of the ’11 49ers and he didn’t make much money. In addition, the 49ers don’t have any wide receivers. I’ve never been a Josh Morgan guy. Crabtree is simply a possession receiver, who didn’t come up big in the playoffs. And Crabtree is overpaid with an agent who’s brilliant.
    .
    In addition, the 49ers don’t have anyone else who can “lift the lid,” on the defense like Ginn can. It’s certainly not Vernon Davis. If you’re going to take a safety out of the equation for the underneath routes, you don’t do it from the middle of the field. You must do it spread wide to the left or right side. If you spread Vernon wide you do two things – take away a potential blocker for the defense to have to account for, and you lose speed because Vernon doesn’t have Ginn’s top end speed. Vernon is the one who benefits from Ginn. But if you had a quarterback who could throw deep, they’d compliment each other.
    .
    And sure- there are other guys who can return kicks in this year’s draft. Kyle Williams was that same kind of prospects coming out of college. So was another “Williams,” Brandon Williams – the amazing 3rd round pick of Nolan in 2006. Doing it effectively in college is one thing, doing it well in the pros is a whole ‘nother crap shoot. Gulliver supposedly could return kicks as well before he was lost at sea.
    .
    In addition, look at what Ginn did as a returner compared to a guy like Josh Cribbs in 2011. Ginn scored more touchdowns for one fifth the money and didn’t cough it up once. That’s value. Josh Cribbs – to my knowledge – didn’t return one to the house after losing Seeley, and he was paid five times what Ginn was. If the 49ers gave Ginn a million dollar per year raise, they’d still be paying Ginn half of what the Browns pay Cribbs – for the same productivity. Think another team doesn’t see what I see?
    .
    The 49ers might not see what they have in Ginn, and they might let him get away – and it wouldn’t be the end of the world for the 49ers if it happened, but if Ginn goes to a team with a quarterback who can throw deep, I think Ginn could blossom.

  32. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You sure say very little with a ton of words, skippy.
    .
    Ginn has value as a return guy. He has little as a WR. He’ll be 4th on the depth chart at WR if he stays.

  33. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Straight return guys rarely break the bank.

  34. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Nobody has value as a straight wide receiver for Alex Smith.

  35. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t get your hopes up, Rob. “Straight” only implied non-slot or non tight end. Jesus… nevermind.

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Ginn certainly is an asset Albert, he’s just not gonna command FA WR money is all I’m saying.
    Given his numbers as a WR, he holds no leverage.
    Not trying to disparage the guy, he just has to fit the budget is all.

  37. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    NJ – you can’t have numbers when your quarterback is Alex Smith. Can’t do it. What’s the frequency of 300 yard games or 100 receivers when Alex Smith is the qb? Sure, Harbaugh plays a different band of ball, but if you’re going to make Alexuses, the same rules apply for the wide receivers. Ginn’s numbers aren’t what you evaluate him by.
    .
    And don’t listen to the Unca Chuck / Bullit retard show. Chuck wants Mike Wallace for god sakes. I mean, how stupid do you have to be? For the 49ers to get Wallace they have to give up a first round pick, then pay him a boatload, and if Wallace came to SF, the biggest part of his game (the deep route) wouldn’t be there because Alex Smith can’t throw deep. Mike Wallace to the San Francisco 49ers is the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the blogs. And it’s author? The Unca / Bullit retard show – aptly named.

  38. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    A fair contract for Ted Ginn would be 3 years, 8 million – with 5 guaranteed.

  39. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll say one thing about the Ted Ginn re-sign. If I’m Ginn, compared to Josh Cribbs, I don’t take anything less then 2.6 a year. He might not get it, then be faced with having to play for a huge reduction for a one year deal alla Dashon Goldson, but I say holding out for 2.6 or 2.7 per year would be a calculated risk worth taking for Ginn.
    .
    It’ll be interesting to see how the 49ers handle both Goldson and Ginn considering Goldson being left to twist in the wind last year, and Ginn being asked to restructure.

  40. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Getting Wallace for a 30th pick? Deal of the day.
    .
    Crabs had 875, VD 800. Decent numbers. Ginn? 220. Yeah, he’s the #1. As usual, your unintentional humor is spot-on.

  41. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Wallace is the dumbest idea ever.

  42. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Do the Niners run the ball, stinkfist?

  43. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Albert, I could live with 3yrs and 8M.
    Not sure he would but, it’s worth doing.
    I don’t make Alexcuses, I’m giving Harbaugh credit for his ability to get Alex to improve.
    Same math applies to Alex.
    He is a ‘Budget Option’ while you groom his successor.
    Only reason you retain Alex is because he’s young, can learn the position and, he’s proven to be durable.
    You won’t break the bank on him.
     
    Once you give him the supporting cast you can expect him to do more.
    If he doesn’t, Harbaugh has answers waiting to step in.
    Alex should improve over 2011 with a full TC and more work with his receiving group.
    Time will tell.
    It’s not Alex I’m banking on, it’s Harbaugh’s ability to teach him how to play the position.

  44. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Honestly, Chuck/Bullit…. you’re dumbest guy ever on the blogs. Dumbest ever. Mike Wallace is a restricted free agent. How many of those RFAs change teams, Chuck? How many? Please. And how many are going to change teams now with the rookie salary cap making draft picks ten times more valuable? I should write that again in all caps in hopes it penetrates your cast iron skull, makes it’s way through the substantial grey matter and hits pay dirt at pea brain. NOW THAT WE HAVE A ROOKIE SALARY CAP, HOW MANY RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS ARE GOING TO CHANGE TEAMS? Seriously, you’re one dumb SOB.
    .
    NJ – But you do make Alexuses – “Only reason you retain Alex is because he’s young, can learn the position….” He can learn the position? That’s an Alexuse. He’s going on year 8.

  45. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Alex will be re-signed soon! He’ll be throwing deep again this coming year. He was getting pretty good at that.

  46. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    He’s gotten a stay of execution Albert.
    Harbaugh has shown that he can take a do nothing #1 Draft pick and make him serviceable.
    If for no other reason, he saves us the growing pains we endured with Alex while we prepare Kaep or Tolzien.
    I was all for moving on without Alex when it looked like his days in SF were over.
    Harbaugh has shown that he does have the ability to teach the position.
    I’m willing to take Alex for the reasons I posted above.
    He’s no Joe at this point, likely won’t ever be but, he can get things done for the immediate future.
    As starting QBs go, he won’t cost a boatload of money.

  47. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Berger – they just found out Alex is left handed. He’ll be playing in Canada next year.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    Nobody but the Steelers is able to strike a deal with Wallace until Mar 13

    “According to Scott Brown of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, that’s a very calculated risk for the Steelers.

    Teams that would have had to give up first- and third-round picks in the past to sign Wallace only lose a first-round pick if they lure him away from the Steelers. That change in the collective bargaining agreement – and cost – has stirred speculation that Wallace will be one of the more sought-after free agents come March 13 at 4 p.m., with the line for his services forming behind San Francisco. Or New England. Or Cincinnati. Or Baltimore.”

    ESPN says this

    “When Wallace lines up, there are going to be two safeties playing deep whether he catches the ball or not. The threat of him getting behind cornerbacks causes the defense to play the Steelers a certain way, and it improves the Steelers’ chances of success in running the ball.

    Without Wallace, you’ll see more defenses dropping a safety into the box. The Steelers would still have Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders at wide receiver, but neither stretch the field consistently like Wallace. And neither would draw the same respect as Wallace, who has the most catches of 25 yards or more in the NFL over the past two seasons.

    I agree with Colbert that the 25-year-old Wallace has “only scratched the surface of what he can do.” Even if he doesn’t improve, what you’re getting from Wallace is pretty good. With Wallace, you’re assured of getting about 1,200 yards receiving (which will usually be among the top 10 in the NFL) and nine touchdowns. You’re also getting a wide receiver who will get most of the attention from defenses, freeing up the No. 2 receiver like Brown to get open.”
    =========

    The new CBA chnages the way to look at things. Spitty is still living in 2010

  49. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Seriously Chuck – you’re dumber than a bag of hammers in a no fly zone.
    .
    Here’s the thing you imbecile. There are unrestricted free agent wrs available like Colston and Garcon who wouldn’t cost their new team a draft choice – if you even wanted to go the free agent route in the first place. In addition, that same team that you think would supposedly want Wallace for 7-9 million, could go out and draft a guy like Hill and pay him donuts compared to Wallace dollars. All you do is read stuff that is pure garbage and eat it up.
    .
    Last year the 30th draft pick got a contract of 4 years for 7.4 million dollars. That is dirt cheap compared to what Wallace would demand just as a salary. But then there’s also the loss of the draft choice which is gold.
    .
    You read, “The Steelers are gambling with Wallace,” and you get your panties in a twist, but the Steelers are right. And keep in mind, they can still franchise Wallace if they can’t come to an agreement with him on a new contract.
    .
    So the 49ers could draft a wide receiver and pay him a little less than two million a year for four years, with him maybe becoming a star and even a superior player to Wallace, or they could trade all that value to pay five times that much over the next four years? You are out of your tree, man. Out of your tree.
    .
    With everything that is coming up. With the future so bright in SF, you want to jeopardize the salary cap for the next five years over a receiver who’s specialty is catching the deep ball with a quarterback who can’t hit the blind side of barn from 40 yards out?
    .
    Thank god you aren’t the 49ers’ GM.

  50. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    It doesn’t bother me but the fact that you think I’m Chuck just shows what a clueless assbite you are.
    Who’s the imbecile here? There’s a huge and I mean a huge difference between a third year
    proven speed receiver who’s already caught 24 TD passes and a
    wide eyed unproven rookie.
    You are paying him the market rate which he deserves and which the Steelers will have trouble matching because they are in a salary cap bind.
    Things don’t add up in your world do they? You want to give Ginn $3mil a yaer to return kicks and learn to become a reciever yet you go totally cheap ass and refuse to pay for a premier deep threat.
    You would pay for Desean Jackson wouldn’t you? News flash for you
    Mike Wallace has played one less
    year yet has 3 more TDs and averages a yard more per catch at 18.7 yds.
    You seem to overvalue the 30th pick. We are 3 picks from being in the second round and this is no slam dunk pick.
    I’ll pay Mike Wallace $8mil a year
    for 5 years and finally have the first deep threat in the last 10 years signed long term.
    We’ll know whether Mike Wallace is available on Tues and can go from there.
    The point you seem to be missing is the Steelers can’t afford to franchise Wallace at this point.
    What can I say to a dumbass that says Goldson has a new agent that turns out to be Alex Smith’s agent? An all time great moment.
    Was that a seismic event when your jaw dropped? LMAO!!!

  51. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- Count me in as a “box of hammers in a no fly zone”. I would love to have Wallace in exchange for our 1st pick.

  52. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Steelers plan to tender, not franchise, restricted free agent wide receiver Mike Wallace, according to source close to Wallace.

  53. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I would call the Steelers’ GM and offer our first and fourth for Wallace if he will ink a sign and trade. BEFORE he hits the market.
     
    A Pro Bowl WR either jump starts the offense, or clearly points out the problem. Either way, it’s worth it.

  54. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Matt Bowen from National Football Post on the Niners.
    He has some interesting comments

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Bowen-Harbaughs-49ers-were-NFLs-best-?blockID=660604&feedID=2800

  55. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    It’s a stretch to think that we can have such an overwhelming positive turnover ratio again. A lot of that was coaching, but some is luck – sometimes you get the bounces, and sometimes, like in the last Giant game, you don’t. I think the offense HAS to get more productive, because the defense is not likely to be quite as good at getting the ball back next year. Some of that will come from our line and other players having another year of experience, but some of it will need to come from new weapons. We need a real number one WR, and I’d also like to find a third round or so guy who isn’t flashy but is a good red zone target. That could be at TE rather than WR. It would also be nice to keep Morgan, too, who does not have blazing speed but runs good routes and understands the position. He does not have the most talent of our WR corps, but he gets the most production from what talent he has. And lastly, our little friend Crabs needs to work on staying healthy and participating in TC. His field awareness and such will only get better with coaching, if at all.

  56. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    So, Hill is better than Wallace based on your vapors, Stinkfist?
    .
    Got it. Crabtree is Jerry Rice and Rashaun Woods was Freddie Solomon. JJ Stokes was Dwight Clark.
    .
    The point being, clueless wonder, is Wallace is a bona fine deep threat with a proven history. The draft (esp at 30) is what it is. A crapshoot. Cruz was undrafted. DHB is a work in progress. Crabs is iffy at this point. If A Smith flames out, then we have Cappy throwing to his ass.
    .
    As usual, you just post stupid shit like this to garner responses. Some sort of ego boost for you I suppose. I mean you sure ain’t getting it on your blog! Hyuk!

  57. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, the same thing happened to NO. When they won the Super Bowl a couple years ago their TO ratio was way up. The next year it came down to earth (into the negative, and all their RBs all got hurt), and they were bounced by Seattle in the 1st round.
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    I guess what we have to bank on is the hope that the offense improves enough to offset the difference. They will get their turnovers, but that many? Probably not, but they should still be on the plus side. They still hit hard as hell, and the pass rush should be able to create the INTs, but to be +28 again is pretty unlikely.

  58. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers – the Steelers are going to tender Wallace the highest offer to insure a first round pick. They have the option to franchise him at any time.
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    Grump – I agree wholeheartedly that Wallace forces Alex to shit or get off the pot, but I already know the outcome. He’ll have to get off the pot. I think Ted Ginn can do what Wallace does. The only deep pass to Ginn I saw last year was in the Baltimore game on a pass that was horribly under thrown, and Ginn still caught it while Chilo’s shadow was chop blocking.
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    Unca/Bullit – Hill is just an example. I have no idea if he’ll be any good, but I do think, despite his slow 40 time, that Sanu will be a good player in the NFL (just so you can continue to keep score).

  59. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Oh yeah…. one part to this that nobody seems to want to remember…. the Steelers can also match. No Rob, I don’t mean yellow socks and yellow jock straps. I mean that the Steelers can use the NFL to set the fair market value on Wallace, waiting for an offer, then match it and retain Wallace.
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    The only teams that would pay over fair market would be the Bengals or Browns – two teams in the Steelers’ division that would benefit greatly from Ben losing his deep threat. Holmgren won’t overpay. Brown is cheaper than the entity dishing out coherent thoughts about Wallace on this blog. I’m done with this particular stupid debate. All the others are fair game.

  60. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The Steelers only have until Monday to franchise Wallace. They can’t do it because the franchise number for WRs is $9+ mil and the Steelers don’t have enough cap room to accommodate that. Nor can they match an offer that has a big first year cap number. I still don’t see the Niners going after him, but others might.

  61. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    *IF* we want Wallace, we should try to work out a deal to avoid a bidding war.

    Spit, the throw I remember to Ginn was his Stevie Wonder play – “Hey, Man, did you see a ball around here?” That was so bad it was funny.

    Chuck, +28 won’t happen again. Somewhere around +12 would actually be good, given the way that numbers ‘regress to the mean’. That and a passing game and we can compete. Three and outs all day will kill us.

  62. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    I can remember one or two times where Ginn didn’t pick the ball up. To really get a deep passing game going, the qb and wr have to have great chemistry, communication, the offensive line has to pass block, and the coaches have to have faith in the entire program. I don’t know that the coaches have faith in Smith, and to be fair, the offensive line is still young. I think Kaepernick to Ginn could be fun to watch. Why hasn’t Alex Smith been signed yet?

  63. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    If we do not upgrade the passing game this Spring, get ready to hear the term “regression to the mean” a whole lot next Fall.

  64. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    You should refrain from talking about football subjects that require thinking because you are totally deficient mentally to function much like your blog..
    You shouldn’t comment on subjects you don’t understand and this is clearly one of the many.Based on what you’ve written you don’t have a clue.

  65. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It was Ginn that pitched the ball to the Giant DB on the 8 yard line, wasnt it? Ginn is NOT an upgrade to the passing game. I think us in normal-ville can say that without too much angst. Ginn = 220 yards. Morgan = 220 yards. Hmmmm. Who played more?
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    Yeah, the Steelers can match. But they won’t. They are in serious cap hell, and they are going to lose players. Like KC with Bowe and Carr. Or us with Goldson and Rogers. One gets franchised, the other gets pursued and likely priced off their current team.

  66. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    DeSean just got franchised at $9.4 mil.

  67. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yowza. 60 minutes is going to be a fortune. $12 mill? $14?? Maybe the Niners will lower their sights with Garcon.

  68. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    9.4 is just the franchise number for WRs, no matter who they are.

  69. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, picking up the ball in flight is an underrated skill for a WR. Seriously? You remember that a couple times last year? You are entering V territory in your inanity. I saw just about every game Rice played, and it never happend to him. Or Dwight Clark, or Freddie Solomon, or Ted Kwalick, or Gene Washington, or any number of WRs out there.
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    Kaepernick to Ginn? Yet another unintentional crack-up. Hello 7-9.
    .

  70. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    Garcon rejected thwe Colts offer of $7mil/yr for 5 yrs.
    He’s getting bad advice for not taking that deal.
    Here’s a list of 2012 WR base salaries.
    http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/wide-receiver/

  71. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I know that, Skeebs. But the number that Wallace commands is going to be close to 2x that amount. Wallace may very well be $80 mill for 5 years? Ouch.
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    I guess that means Stinkfist thinks we should franchise Ginn.
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    FYI:
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    QB – $14.4 million ($16.1 million in 2011)
    RB – $7.7 million ($9.6 million in 2011)
    WR: $9.4 million (11.4 million in 2011)
    TE: $5.4 million ($7.3 million in 2011)
    OL (average): $9.4 million ($10.1 million in 2011)
    DE: $10.6 million ($13 million in 2011)
    DT: $7.9 million ($12.5 million in 2011)
    LB: $8.8 million ($10.1 million in 2011)
    CB: $10.6 million ($13.5 million in 2011)
    S: $6.2 million ($8.8 million in 2011)
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    So, stinkfoot may have gotten one right when he says Goldson gets tagged. Hawk will hate it, and comlain loud and long. Or they feel Rogers is the better guy to keep, and they move Culliver.
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    A blind squirrel and all that . . .

  72. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs

    Remember that discussion we were having with Spitty on who negostiates all the contracts?
    A senseless argument based on the ignorance and pigheaded ways of Spitty.
    “Maiocco said this “Brooks’ deal, which 49ers chief negotiator Paraag Marathe worked out with agent Greg Williams, includes $17.5 million in guarantees, including a $7.5 million signing bonus.”

    Some people just won’t accept the facts

  73. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    9.4 Mil for a disgruntled WR who quit on you last year? Wow. The Eagles are, what’s that term, Spit… yeah: geneouses.

    They should have let him walk.

  74. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Not sure how significant this is but Matt Barrows story about Mike Wallace and 49ers is being run in his hometown newspaper in Mississipi
    http://www.sunherald.com/2012/03/01/3789541/mike-wallace-could-be-perfect.html

  75. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Baalke Decision: Mike Wallace, 10 million per year or a first round rookie WR making 2 per year? Hmmm… that’s a tough one. Been sayin’ it all along. With a left handed quarterback who’s mid identity crisis, still throwing right, I don’t think Wallace is a good investment. For that matter, with DeJax’s price as a measuring stick, and considering the amount of cap space the 49ers have, I don’t think Jackson, Colston or Garcon are good options either.
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    I think DeSean Jackson is a stud. The Eagles made a number of errors this last off season, but their two biggest were signing Nnamdi while having a former O line coach be the D coordinator, along with the D Jax contract situation. TO came out and said he wouldn’t play for D Jax’s contract, which is ironic considering that TO is now playing in some semi pro league and flat busted broke. Karma’s a female dog, and TO’s got five of ’em on his heals… but I digress. Hey TO: You’d do anything for DeJax’s contract now. Serves ya right.
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    DeJax is a great player who clearly wasn’t trying because of his contract, but what could he do? You don’t see holdouts anymore because they don’t work unless you’re negotiating with Scot McCloughan. Because the Eagles felt they were a secondary away from beating Aaron Rogers, the went after Nnamdi and hoped DeJax would play ball. The strategy backfired. Under normal circumstances, the Eagles would have re-done DeJax’s contract at the start of last year. But last year wasn’t normal.
    .
    Anyway, as for Grump’s idea the 49ers need to upgrade their passing attack, I agree, but I think they can do it completely through the draft. Look at the year Dalton and Green had, without Harbaugh, in a tough division. Don’t Troy and Ed play in the Bengals’ division? I think they do.
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    The 49ers should draft two wide receivers in the first and second rounds if anyone’s available. I don’t care how slow Sanu and Jeffrey are. I think they’ll both be good players in the NFL for a long, long time.

  76. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    File this one under “dreaming,” but Peyton Hillis would be an interesting back for the Jim Harbaugh-led 49ers. Harbaugh and Roman could use Hillis much like they used Toby Gerhart at Stanford. I’m certain Hillis isn’t a Baalke priority (miles off the radar), and that he’ll cost whomever more than the 49ers are willing to spend for a running back. But a big full back who can run, block and break tackles would be nice. Bruce Miller is a great story, and did his job well, but Hillis would be a huge upgrade, and the 49ers need offensive skill positions upgrades across the board. Hillis isn’t coming to the 49ers, but he highlights a need.

  77. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    If Matt Flynn was smart, he’d take half of what the Dolphins and Browns are maybe going to offer to play for Harbaugh. Does that happen? Does a quarterback and his agent call a team and tell them he wants to play for a certain coach or certain organization and is will to take a lot less to be apart of an organization because he believes in two things – the team and himself? I don’t know…. but it outta.
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    Regardless where Flynn plays, though – be it Miami or Cleveland or Washington or SF, Matt Flynn will have a longer career from this point forward than Alex Smith.

  78. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty

    Your evaluation of QBs is spotless. LOL!
    After all last year you were pushing for the Niners to trade for McNabb or Kolb. Then there was Nate Davis and Troy Smith as the answers and both are gone and out of football.Of course there’s also Whitehurst and Gradkowski and we know how they tore it up.
    Looks like you’re 0 for 6 here.
    Did I miss anything?

  79. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

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