The Downward Spiral

The longest day of the year slipped through town last Friday and Saturday morning the earth began its long, slow journey into darkness. I mention this for the benefit of all you squirrel worshippers out there, as a reminder to begin gathering your nuts for the coming winter.

People worship all kinds of things out there scurrying around on this big old ball of dirt covered rock. Here in 49er land, we worship Super Bowl victories. It’s probably more sensible and practical to worship squirrels, but we’re a reckless bunch of howling idealists.

Aaron Hernandez enjoyed the weekend, watching cops parade in and out of his house, while a throng of gawkers set up camp across the street. This would probably be the time that Hernandez prepared to belly down to the Ray Lewis bar of ignominy. Perhaps Aaron will summon up what Ray could not — some empathy for the deceased and his family.

Ray has been hired by ESPN as yet another self-aggrandizing boob to annoy fans on NFL game days this coming year. ESPN seems hell bent on gathering as many illiterate dimwits as possible to clutter up the “analyst” booth each week. A functioning “mute” button will be a must this year for Monday Night Football games. If only there were a “bleep” blur out button, too.

The Twitterboomers generation is still in its infancy, but over the next ten years many of these NFL tweeters will be eased out of the game and go through the angst of not only seeing their playing days end, but also seeing their 30,000 followers shrink drastically down to less than 4 figures. A double shock to the psyche. Sometime soon, we might see the first ex-player admitted to the hospital for Twitter Shock Syndrome.

I have wisely prepared for this possible scenario by keeping my Twitter following to a modest four. Even though losing a mere one follower would represent a 25% drop in my approval rating, one is still one. Not much to sweat about.

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers- It is funny you mentioned Twitter. I have way too many people that I follow. About 4 or 5 hundred. There is no way to keep up. I have to start dropping some if I want to check my account. I rarely go onto the site anymore because it has become useless. I try to follow certain reporters and players for info instead I have to sift through what everybody had for lunch. Having said all that, I do like following Slutty Girl.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    With the release of Carswell
    the Niners have an open spot with 89 players on the roster. Reports are the Niners are still interested in DL Israel Idonijie
    as are the Bears.
    For the right price you might see him in a Niner uniform with 7.5 sacks last year and 20.5 in the last 3 years.

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Alex Smith

  4. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Even Alex can’t save us today.
    AJ Jenkins is a comer, but he’ll never reach Alex levels. In the blogosphere, Smitty was pure gold.

  5. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Well Skeebs, we can always talk about New Mexico Tourism.
    Alex? Well, Bergs, you tried hard but it doesn’t seem to have worked yet.
    Joe vs. Steve?
    See yas tomorrow.

  6. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Mark Roman

  7. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    No Twitter account for Roman. No Facebook account. Out of the league 4 years. Ergo: meet Mr. Nobody.

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    One of the funnier movie scenes
    this is “Dirty Rotten Scoundrels”

  9. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Eric Mangini is still an offensive consultant with this video showing him watching the offense work

  10. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    DL Israel Idonijie just signed with the Lions.
    Still one roster spot open.

  11. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And you are still a dick, Bullitt. Are we to get this all year? Breathless updates of Mangini the offensive consultant?
    I see Mangini’s role changing in the future, but not yours. God forbid I have an opinion you disagree with.

  12. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Matt Maiocco posted this today
    “The impact that Eric Mangini (senior offensive consultant) will likely have on the 49ers’ offense will largely be indictable, unless you track the team’s trends on down-and-distance, personnel and formation. That’s where Mangini should have his biggest impact. He should be able to help the 49ers remain unpredictable for opposing defenses”

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Maiocco also said this today about Mangini
    “Yes, I’ve seen him interacting with coaches. He is not a coordinator. Greg Roman is the offensive coordinator, and he’ll run the show while coordinating input from all of the assistants, including Mangini. Coach Jim Harbaugh has not decided where Mangini will be located on game days — sideline or booth. I expect Mangini will not be very active with on-field coaching.”

  14. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Indictable? Really? So, Mangini’s going to jail if the offense sputters? I think the word Matt (and you, by proxy) is looking for is ‘negligible.’
    So, since you want to pursue this line of thought, Bullitt, what do you think Mangini is doing in 2014? 2015?

  15. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe us fans are considered the Grand Jury of a sports team? It seems a curious use of the word.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I just took simple quotes from Maiocco to share with everyone.
    I didn’t see your grammar police badge and didn’t realize you were a perfectionist wordsmith because you make plenty of errors when you write. Another case of living in a glass house and throwing stones? I can’t speak for Maiocco but what would you have me do? I just quoted him and do not have editorial privilege.
    I only concern myself with the near future and the upcoming 2013 season.
    Only a fool such as yourself would prognosticate 3 seasons from now. Sorry I’m not that full of myself nor that stupid.

  17. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    My question to you for the evening, Bullit, is why do you quote a sportswriter?
    I try to post stuff from professional athletes.
    I admit, I fail sometimes with my new computer setup.
    Sportswriters are PAID to write BS, and you just quote them.

  18. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    We all rely on sportswriters to get news about the team. Citing them is the professional courtesy approach, but most of us just paraphrase. I doubt Maiocco or the other beat writers are paid to write BS. Cohn gets paid to write BS.

  19. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Actually I succeeded.
    Berger started with Alex Smith, Skeebs tried with AJ Jenkins and Berger came back with Mark Roman.
    Even you RTfirfly said yesterday Joe vs. Steve.
    I knew if I just mentioned Mangini that someone would come here with guns blazing.
    I didn’t mention that person’s name but he went apeshit on me anyway.

  20. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t mean BS, BS, Skeebs.
    That would be the NY Jets.
    But these guys are only sportsWRITERS, like Glenn Dickey or Lowell Cohn used to be.
    I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.
    Yes, they are paid for writing.

  21. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    This is a blog, dipshit. This isn’t the Op Ed page of the New York Times. If you must, provide context and/or change the word as you see fite (sic). I’m sure Matt won’t come after you here. Or, you can say something after the quote. Sorry, that’s too hard I suppose. I think you need to kick start the ol’ noggin. It’s stuck in idle.
    Uh, 2014 is next season. You can’t think that far ahead? Wow. Sorry to tax your idling brain, Bullitt. Scared to say anything? Thought so.
    How about this? Mangini does such a fine job of being the offensive consultant this year that he takes a job as the defensive line coach for the Jacksonvile Jaguars in 2014. I know. Isn’t that scary? Predicting something? Oooooh. the funny thing is, you’d be the one to crow and crow if it doesn’t come to pass, as you are so wont to do.
    The entire point of saying anything about Mangini (and try to follow along) is that he’s trying to rehab his status as a viable NFL coach. No one was banging down doors to hire him as anything, so he took the only thing thrown to him. Mabye as a favor or whatever. But this is obviously leading to something else in his future.
    Yes, you posted a quote and provided no context or input or even a disclaimer of the stupid use of the wrong word. Great. Thanks for that.
    And yes, thanks for noticing. I AM an excellent wordsmith.

  22. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oohhh. aren’t you the cute little bitch, Bullitt? You got a purty mouth. Can you squeal like a pig?
    You are so wrong and idiotic, you think you are winning something.
    Stop being a pussy and give me some predictions. What is Mangini’s job in 2014? 2015?
    Cluck cluck mother f**ker.

  23. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You really have low esteem issues.

  24. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    How is 2014 next season when the 2013 season has yet to be played?
    Now you sound like a wingnut demanding I predict the future.
    I’ll leave it up to you Swami.

  25. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    ad hominem attack, Bullit?
    Is that the best you can do?
    Take a debating class or a writing class for a change.
    BTW, I’m not Chuck and I’ve never even met him nor talked to him.
    But all you can do is ad hominems.
    Against me, against everybody.
    Get a day job.

  26. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I have mentioned this before.
    You have to distinguish between beat writers such as Maiocco, Barrows, Lynch, Branch and Inman from columnists such as Dickey, Cohn, Kawakami, Knapp and Ratto.
    Columnists write stories that stir the pot and get people arguing. Beat writers report on what they observe usually without editorial comment.
    News for you on quotes from the atheletes. Even on video someone is editing content and controlling what you see and hear.
    Unless you are standing next to the athelete hearing it from his mouth live everything is second hand info.
    Don’t kid yourself if you believe otherwise.

  27. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    It’s ALL BS, Bullit, until the Lomardi Trophy is hoisted.
    Besides, I trust the Niners press corps far more than what ESPN has become.

  28. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    *Lomardi* of course.

  29. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Freak, they have a Cary Grant/Myrna Loy movie on now.
    Let me try it again.
    Think I got it right this time, LOL.

  30. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    With mangini why must there be an ulterior motive? Can’t accept what they announced and have to go to wacko conspiracy theories?

    Stop embarrassing yourself.
    I pity you especially when you have to go your own safe haven blog to take your cheap shots at me.
    I can safely say Mangini won’t be coaching the Dline in Jacksonville in 2014 because he has a 2 year contract with the Niners.
    The only way out is if the Niners can him.
    You are lazy and never do your research so you continually put your foot in your mouth. Hyuk!

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit can definitely say one thing that is accurate, from his 5:27 post:

    “Actually I succeeded.
    Berger started with Alex Smith, Skeebs tried with AJ Jenkins and Berger came back with Mark Roman.”

  32. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- Your 5:27 post got me laughing.

  33. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I am still trying to figure out what Matt meant when he wrote “indictable.” If somebody can explain please fill me in.

  34. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Perhaps he meant “unindictable” and merely brain farted.

  35. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Misspelling of undetectable got auto-spell-checked.
    Indictable has more to do with why the job got created for him.

  36. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Now that’s funny, NoFear. Poor little Bullitt can’t see the leaves for the trees.
    Yeah, Mangini angling for another coaching oppotunity is a ‘wacko conspiracy theory.’ Gawd, are you really this naive?

  37. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    ‘Why must there be an ulterior motive?’
    Well, because Mangini has been a defensive coach most of his coaching life. He was a defensive lineman in college. Can you make the leap to think he may want another DC spot? Another HC spot? Is that too big a leap for you, Bullitt?

  38. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I’m so happy you want to counsel Mangini on his career path and seem to be so concerned about his future.
    As for me and this subject of what Mangini be doing in 2015

  39. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Fine. If this is true, why did you throw 3 day fit when I commented on the hire? Because you don’t care?
    What a dick.

  40. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    At least be consistent, ass clown.

  41. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Maybe by 2015 you’ll finally grow up and we can have a civil discussion about the Niners without the juvenile personal attacks and profane potshots that are obvious for all to see.
    Too much to hope you’ll show some class.
    You use any topic as an excuse for a pissing contest because you are compensating for being inadequate.
    Keep playing the fool. It suits you.

  42. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    “At least be consistent, ass clown.”
    Talking to yourself?

    Newsflash I checked and your blog is dead. Too bad you don’t devote any energy to what is yours.
    Story of your life?

  43. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    This is a great blog. I may have a hernia from laughing. Its effect on my drinking is indictable.

  44. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear is correct

    I asked Matt Maiocco about indictable and he replied

    “Ha. Can I blame that on autocorrect? The word should’ve been undetectable.”

  45. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like Aaron Hernandez has been arrested.

  46. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “The New England Patriots have released Aaron Hernandez.”

  47. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Tom Brady completed 401 passes last year.
    Until Gronkowski gets well he is missing 338 receptions from his receiving corps.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I expressed my opinion last week when the story broke on some of the knuckleheads in sports that
    basically have it made to be extremely comfortable for the rest of their lives and do stupid things to throw it all away.
    Only the dumbest nitwit here found fault with this statement.
    I suppose when someone is murdered
    destroying the evidence and not cooperating is what every organization expects of their players.
    The Pats letting Hernandez go before the charges were revealed speaks volumes.

  49. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Now that Hernandez has been released Rob will want to pick him up!

  50. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Just can’t help yourself can you, Buwwitt . . .
    Hernandez is a product of life like everyone else. Football is a micrcosm of life, not amoebas under a microscope. There are mostly decent sorts, some grandstanders, some thugs, and some criminals. This isn’t anything different than most other walks of life. The caveat being these are for the most part young men who get millions of dollars rained down on them. Some play it cool, some lose their way. Some get straightened out in the end, others buy their way out. The point being, some of these guys can’t escape their past and get rolled up into something that spirals out of control.
    Hernandez? Well, since you are judge, jury, and executioner, is he a murderer? No charges have been filed yet, and you gleefully pronounce his guilt. Are you happy? It sure sounds like it. To me, it’s a tragedy that has yet to be unwound. But dance on his grave, skippy.

  51. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Tim Tebow, starting tight end for the New England Patriots.

  52. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    There you have it. Chuck agrees with Bullit:
    Chuck: “…some of these guys can’t escape their past and get rolled up into something that spirals out of control.”
    Bullit: “…knuckleheads in sports that basically have it made to be extremely comfortable for the rest of their lives and do stupid things to throw it all away.”

  53. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Wow! let’s toast some marshmallows over a campfire! Kumbaya baby!

  54. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The only diff being I’m not gleeful about it like Buwwitt is.

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What does Grumpy do with all the leftover popcorn?

  56. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, I ain’t worried. There will be entertainment here again long before it goes stale.

  57. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    There you have it, Chuck agrees he agrees with Bullit.

  58. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    So either Chuck is bipolar
    or he’s just trying to be an asshole here and get into senseless arguments just so he can engage in his juvenile namecalling because it makes him feel manly.
    Chuck posted this on his blog at 9:44 today
    “Wow. Hernandez is arrested. Yikes. Dude is in a world of hurt. Talk about killing the golden goose.”
    Just a few minutes earlier on this blog Chuck posted
    “Hernandez? Well, since you are judge, jury, and executioner, is he a murderer? No charges have been filed yet, and you gleefully pronounce his guilt”

    I’ll have to conclude he’s a bipolar asshole.

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t have to buy marshmallows and Grumpy can eat his popcorn! I feel a sense of normalcy again!

  60. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Now I can’t comment on the situation, Buwwitt? Your idiocy is laughable, troll-boy. Who’s gloating over the fact he got arrested? You. I see it differently. Get it? Of course not.
    Thanks for visiting my blog though, Buwwitt. Your concern for it is admirable but misplaced.
    God, you are a useless f***. Find someone else to badger.

  61. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Mental health is nothing to joke about, skippy. You most of all should know that. And where’s the bi-polar part anyway?
    Explain the problem you have with those posts.

  62. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Weeeeeeeeeeee! This is fun. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
    In other words, Buwwitt, make a point.

  63. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Microsoft to unveil Windows 8.1 in SF to try and fix the disaster that is Windows 8.
    Yeah, and I’ve got Windows 8. At least it plays DVDs well.

  64. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Aaron Hernandez charged with murder and five gun-related charges.

  65. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Keep telling yourself you make sense and you’re winning arguments.
    Like I said you are digging yourself a very deep hole.
    Only a dimwit named Chuck couldn’t figure out why they served Hernandez 3 search warrants and left with bags of evidence. Only a nitwit named Chuck would think nothing of someone destroying their cellphone and hard drive on their home security on the night their buddy was executed and then not cooperating with the police investigation.
    I suppose Chuck thought Rae Carruth and OJ were model citizens too.
    Like I’ve always said, you hang yourself with your own words so keep ranting. Hyuk!

  66. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    It’s those five gun-related charges where he lost me. I could still respect a man with a murder charge. But damn it. Know your gun laws!

  67. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You and your holes, Buwwitt. Your schtick is all the same. Get shot down and then repeat your holes theory.
    You seem to think I said he was innocent. Show me where I say that. Go ahead, dig your little holes, skippy. Fetch!!

  68. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The suprising revelation today
    is that Hernandez’ fiancé and the murder victim’s girlfriend are sisters.

  69. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No, here’s the surprising thing. Rotowire is the source for the latest material:
    Hernandez has pled not guilty, but is being held without bail. We are not legal scholars — it’s surreal for a fantasy football site to have to cover such a senseless and macabre event — but the evidence the Attleboro District Court has collected against Hernandez over the past week appears damning bordering on overwhelming. Hernandez is alleged to have erased 6-8 hours of video footage from his home-security system, and was reportedly caught on tape saying “you can’t trust anyone anymore” before picking Lloyd up on the night of the murder. He was also caught on film walking through his home with a gun after the murder is alleged to have taken place, and reportedly left behind a shell-casing in a rental car. The prosecution believes Hernandez “orchestrated” the “execution.” This is just the first day of what is going to be a long and drawn out legal process, but the odds are remarkably high that Hernandez has played his last down of NFL football.
    Scoop Nisker signing off . . .

  70. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Keep playing your games of Chuck didn’t say that. Only you are stupid enough to think nobody else sees you lack of honesty, integrity and dignity.
    Live in a world of delusion and denial.
    People can read.
    All I can say is yesterday when I posted Eric Mangini, you came running on cue and the rants started. Hyuk!.

  71. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The state of Nebraska asked me to personally thank Skeebers for doing so much to make popcorn the industry giant it is. And Bullit and Chuck, too.

  72. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I used to prefer a handful of pistachios and then some salted peanuts, Grump!
    Can’t eat too many, though.

  73. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve learned from reliable sources that here is how the conversation went down between Bilicheat and Hernandez.
    Bilicheat- Hey Aaron, we need a distraction for this Tebow signing.
    Hernandez- Don’t worry coach, I’ve got you covered.
    And that is how it all started, according to my sources.

  74. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I prefer the kettlecorn because it is both sweet and savory.

  75. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “DA’s saying Hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. Then stood over him & put two in his chest.”
    That’s pretty cold.

  76. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When I saw this yesterday I knew Chuck was done. It was time to stick a fork in him.
    “Oohhh. aren’t you the cute little bitch, Bullitt? You got a purty mouth. Can you squeal like a pig?
    You are so wrong and idiotic, you think you are winning something.
    Stop being a pussy and give me some predictions. What is Mangini’s job in 2014? 2015?
    Cluck cluck mother f**ker.”

    Pure comedy as well as a cry for help from a juvenile incapable of a rational rebuttal. Hyuk!

  77. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll answer that one, Bullit.
    HC at another team perhaps. I can’t read his mind or predict the future.
    He’s been an OC, too.
    HC of two teams with rotten owners.
    General consultant sitting in on film sessions and arguing game plans with the coaches is my prediction.

  78. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Chirp chirp chirp. Keep trolling little Buwwitt.

  79. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    See, Buwwitt? Speculation can be fun! Try it sometime. The best part is you won’t crow at yourself should it not come to pass like you do to the rest of us. Do you think I’d give RTF shit of hispreduiction doesn’t come true? No, but then again I ain;t you.
    Shit, I LIKE that one. Cluck cluck mother**ker!

  80. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Good thing Costco carries those really big things of popcorn.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Those big bags of Kettlecorn are sold at Costco.

  82. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I wonder what the initial argument was about between the two. You have to be pretty pissed to shoot a guy 3 times and then twice more just because.

  83. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, Costco is great, over here they got the big container of macadamia nut caramel corn. I am hooked. kinda like legal crack.

  84. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    When I said consultant this is how Chuckles responded and then the meltdown rants
    “Any fool knows Mangina wants to be a head coach. Except you, who thinks he’s going to be a consultant. Good one. Just stick to posting other folks’ info. Yours is bad.”
    He said that about Mangini.
    Now Chuckles is making jokes about
    Hernandez being guilty.
    Flip flops anyone?

  85. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    What joke? Miss the point much, Buwwitt? All of what you just said make adsolutely no sense in any context. What is wrong with you? Do you comprehend English? Or just make shit up as you type along?

  86. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Show me where I joke about Hernandez please.

  87. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh, I thought you were talking about me and Buwwitt, Winder!

  88. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Just look at your last 3 posts and you ask if I comprehend English?
    Keep talking because you always hang yourself with your own words.
    I couldn’t have scripted it better because you’re the gift that keeps on giving! HYUK!

  89. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Show me where I joke about Hernandez, Buwwitt.

  90. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck- no, u guys go at it pretty good but not the way good ole Aaron does.

  91. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Tired of playing your little game of when did I say that?
    You said it, find it yourself you lazy bastard.

  92. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17