Saints 23, 49ers 20

It was a game the offense deserved to lose and a game the defense deserved to win. In the end, the home town refs stepped in to prevent the defensive win by negating a strip sack fumble with a cheesy roughing the passer penalty. That left it up to the offense to win and they promptly made fools of themselves with one last crumbling effort, allowing the Saints to creep out of the stadium with a 23-20 win.

For the second week in a row, the 49ers had the ball with two minutes left in the game, needing only a FG to win. And each time, they could not even manage one first down. And there was Colin Kaepernick, for the second time this year, blissfully running OB with no game awareness whatsoever, giving the Saints a free clock stoppage they would then use to maneuver into range for their own game winning FG. With a big assist from Kassim Osgood, who brain-farted into a fair catch punt returner and then lay on the ground attempting to disclaim any knowledge of himself.

The 49ers have 348 combined yards in the past two games, the fewest in back-to-back games since 2007. We all know that year. The year of the Hostler. The year the 49er offense was so inept it was physically painful to watch a game.

Right now, the 49ers have a Super Bowl defense and a Dollar Store offense. The entire season rests on the assumption that the return of Michael Crabtree in a week or two will magically transform Kaepernick and the offense into a dangerous group again. If it does, you can bet Crabtree’s agent will be licking his chops over the next contract he signs.

And if his return doesn’t spark the offense to another level, we can all start speculating on a tumultuous offseason where SOMEONE MUST PAY. Most likely that will be OC Greg Roman, but the blame is on GM Trent Baalke, too, for whiffing in the 2012 draft and failing to bring in some decent WRs. And HC Jim Harbaugh has to eat some of the pie, too, for leaning too heavily on a run first philosophy with spread QBs trying to manage it. And Kaepernick, too. Maybe he should spend this coming offseason learning the game rather than parading around the country kissing himself, blowing off the fans, and acting like a superstar instead of the project he is.

When the offseason starts looking more exciting than the real season, and you’re only in mid-November, it’s safe to say this is not a good thing.


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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A 2nd year QB often looks confused. Everybody knows that. This is where a young QB needs the help of an experienced OC to smooth out the ups and downs. Unfortunately for us, our 2nd year OC is also being confused by opposing defenses. Where do we turn to help out, a former NT, Mangini. Enough said.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Agree about Kaepernick and all the extracurricular stuff.
    Shut down the social media or stop reacting. It’s a distraction
    especially when he post the “hate” messages for motivation.
    Apparently that’s not really working.

    Time to sell out when running the ball because when the game is on the line you need to run through some people rather than take the safe out of bounds route making it easy on the defense.

    I know I appear to be dumping on Kap but we’ve had a one point loss and a 3 point loss and I know we win those games with better than mediocre QB play because it’s all on the starting QB.

    At the post game presser get rid of the headphones and the WE can execute better line. Better to say “I can do better” and lead this team.

    Playmakers make plays and in the last two weeks Kap hasn’t at crunch time.

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I respectfully disagree because as I have pointed out earlier
    Russell Wilson is a true second year QB.
    Wilson started the year as Kap’s equal and has left him in the dust and is approaching.
    Watching Wilson he has “IT”. It being field vision and the cool that great QBs possess. He finds his receivers after scrambling and he makes plays and makes his receivers better.
    Wilson is spotting his receivers because he has eyes downfield and it looks like Kap is in panic mode and trying to avoid getting hit.
    Andy Dalton was drafted right before Kap and he’s thrown for 21 TDs.
    Kap is in Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder territory.
    I can assign only a certain amount of blame on Roman (30%) and the rest is on Kap.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I left out Wilson is approaching being an elite (Pro Bowl) QB.

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I assign 70% on Roman and his Roman Candle offense and 30% on Keep. For a parallel example, USC has all the same players and look what a difference changing the play caller made. Do you really think USC beats Stanford with Kiffen calling the plays. It’s the same QB, different play caller. The QB no longer looks lost like when he had Kiffen calling playas. I believe you are under rating the importance of a good play caller. Kaep is having his struggles no doubt but IMO what he needs most now is play calling that is not so limiting and makes more sense.

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kiffen was a douche as a head coach.
    I think his entire team was better off without him in charge and has played better as a cohesive unit.
    You can’t make the case as a play caller because Kessler had 6 TD passes in 5 games under Kiffen and 7 TD passes in 6 games post Kiffen so I see no difference in QB play.

  7. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    This is all so goddamn reminiscent of Nolan/Hoster and Singletary/Jimmy-Hat. Great defense, simplistic offense. Slow-developing pass plays, and Gore up the middle. The first pass saw 2 WRs (Boldin and VD?) 5 yards apart from one another 15 yards downfield. Many many times we lined up with one WR wide. Not very hard to discern what the play will be. DBs do no honor our deep game at all becuase we rarely do it. Our OWN Goddamn WRs don’t respect our deep game as we don’t use it.

    I guess one of the plusses from yesterday was when they set up 4 WR formations, they actually used 3 WRs.

    Yeah, no on is better than the backup sitting on the bench. If the answer is Colt McCoy, then the question is, who sucks harder, Tolzein or McCoy?

  8. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    “San Francisco has challenged the ruling on the field.”

    Dennis will now challenge the ruling in California that killing Eric Mangini in cold blood does not constitute justifiable homicide. For he, without question, is the dumbest, most clueless (Alicia Silverstone), asinine coach in the history of the world.

  9. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger? If you really want Roman gone, and I think you do. You’re going to have to think outside the box like I do most of the times and root for the Niners NOT to make the playoffs this year. Because if we do, I don’t see roman getting shit-canned. You want to fix the problem? Then this team really needs to take a nose-dive.

    Go RG Knee!

  10. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    It’s not like we’re winning the Super Bowl anyway. Ask yourself this: would you rather go one and done in the playoffs and retain Roman OR miss the playoffs entirely and get a new OC?

    I know you’ll never say miss the playoffs, but you can’t have it both ways.

  11. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Vince Lombardi said
    “Show me a good loser, and I’ll show you a loser.”

    Be careful what you wish for.
    I happen to believe in the underdog and any team is beatable in the playoffs.
    Tanking any game is reprehensible.

  12. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    12 first downs and 115 yds passing. You want Roman gone? this team must continue to go down, and it must go down hard.

    Go Redskins!

  13. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, the season is OVER.


  14. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Where, WHERE did I ever say “tank” any game? I would never take one single player on my team who would tank a game. Big difference in wishing for your team to lose for the greater good, then asking them to tank. Even I would never ask to see that happen.

  15. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I hate this team.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    In your eyes from day one the Niners had no chance of winning the Super Bowl.
    You already had Peyton Manning hoisting the Lombardi Trophy in 2014.
    Now you’re going Walder Frey trying to turn Berger to the dark side.

  17. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Offensive snaps:
    Gore 47
    Hunter 7
    James 4

    Ridiculous. Hunter and James are being wasted.

  18. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    From a Maiocco tweet: 49ers’ worst play call of the game: First down, 2:06 left, tie game. Run the ball. Clock is going to stop at 2-min warning. Instead, sack.

    Berger, you want Roman gone?

    Hail to the Redskins!

    Hail Victory!

    Braves on the Warpath!

    Fight for old D.C.!

    Run or pass and score — we want a lot more!

    Beat ’em, Swamp ’em,

    Touchdown! — Let the points soar!

    Fight on, fight on ‘Til you have won

    Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!

    Hail to the Redskins!

    Hail Victory!

    Braves on the Warpath!

    Fight for old D.C.!

  19. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Seriously. I wish I could stop caring about this team.
    My life would be so much more enjoyable.

  20. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I still hate the Redskins for that bogus call against Ronnie Lott.

  21. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks for reminding me of that. My morning is now a complete loss.

  22. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- If I can step into the future and know we are one and done in the playoffs or miss the playoffs and get rid of Roman I’d rather miss the playoffs. Thing is I can never know that for sure. I’ll choose the playoffs because you just never know. We are stuck with Roman and his Roman Candle Offense playing like we are flickering in the wind. The good thing about having Roman as our OC makes many fans feel we should have been a football coach because if one can get paid for the job he does why can’t anybody! I wonder if he ever worked with lane Kiffen or Rich Kotite? I can not figure out why NJ and Bullit are so enamored with him?

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So I guess the Roman Candle Offense (RCO) can also be called the Candle In The Wind Offense because we are always flickering with hope that we might get a third down conversion. I’ll call the RCO play, everybody run deep and don’t look back for the ball until after 2.8 seconds. That way we can blame the QB and WRs instead of the OC.

  24. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I have no use for your USC QB statistics. I watch the games and see the difference. Statistics can be manipulated to whatever you are trying to sell.

    Let me give you a different situation. Last year the Ravens were gong nowhere. They changed out the play caller and went on a role to win the Super bowl. Do you dispute the key difference was changing out the play caller?

  25. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I believe since Brooks hit created a turnover the play should have been reviewed. The penalty might be a judgment call but a turnover is a turnover and a review is a review. The rule says you can’t hit the head or neck area. Brooks did not hit that are, he hit below and his arm slid up when Brees slid down. I’m listening to exerts debate whether that was a good or bad call. Since it was a turnover it should have been reviewed so the ref can see it in slow motion like we did. I think good or bad call, Brooks did nothing wrong.

  26. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, it may be hard to stop caring, but you sure can stop whining about hoping the Niners lose. If it was up to you, the Giants would have fired Bochy 3 years ago, and they wouldn’t have any WS victories these past 3 years.

    Truth is, this team could catch fire with Crabs back, and the offense springs back to life. They can go 5-6 to go 11-5. That’ll get them in. Probably as the 6th seed as they’ve lost to Carol and Nolins. Certainly the fact that Baldwin doesn’t give a shit enough to even think he’d get a deep ball thrown his way will make an impression on Harbaugh.

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  29. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Good puppy…

  30. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Our difference of opinion here is who’s to blame.

    I’m glad you brought up the Ravens. Changing the OC was good for them short term. It took them to a Super Bowl victory last season. But just like anything else in the NFL changing the OC is just like having a new QB. Patterns emerge and they figure out what you don’t like to do and force you into those situations and overcome them.
    That’s why this year Flacco is back to being like he was under Cameron. Some are blaming the personnel but you can say the same for the Niners.

    I was expecting Kap to be a dynamic playmaker, being a dual threat but instead I see a QB that looks less than confident
    at the line of scrimmage.
    Right now is most important asset is his legs and running ability. I am disappointed in how easily Kap goes down in the pocket. I watch Russell Wilson and RG3 and they scramble and keep plays alive. This year once Kap is off schedule he can’t improvise.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The Ravens have different personnel this year. No direct comparison is reliable. Last year it was since the change came immediately with only one change, the play caller.

    But I’m glad you brought the changes the OC has not adapted to because that is what I am exactly saying our OC has not done. Our OC has not learned how to adapt to the way he is being defensed and so everybody is looking confused on the field. The QB, The receivers, the O-line, the fans, our dogs and Jonathon Martin, who played for him in college! He’s destroying the entire universe with his play calling. You say I’m being inane? That’s what blaming the QB at 70% sounds like to me. IMO, it is an easy call, it is Roman 70%. I will respect your opinion and just agree to disagree.

  32. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, Harbaugh would be lucky to be half the coach that Bochy is. I know Bochy would be an improvement > Roman at play calling. It just might be a little difficult for Kap to decipher his call in his helmet…

    Uh, mumble…grumble…sprint, uhh, mumble, right…uhh, uhh, grumble, grumble, mumble, grumble…option.

  33. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, that’s not the point. Funny as that might be. The point is, you called for Bochy’s head on a stick all through the 2010 season, up to and including the playoffs. As well as the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

    Bullit, if you think the Ravens shortcmings are becuase of their OC, you missed entirely the mass exodus of players that left the team this last offseason.

    Certainly the Niners could well be served by losing Roman. They will never pull the trigger, but he’s 90% likely to be gone. WHether through a hiring or a firing. My thought is Mangina then takes over the play-calling duties.

    I kid, I kid.

  34. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The WR play can be summed up by Jon Baldwin being startled by the object flying over his head while he half-assed his deep route.

    Like I said, our own WRs don’t even honor our (lack of) deep game.

  35. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    And I was first and foremost in acknowledging that Bochy was the team MVP. But his lineups still piss me off. Something has to. I can’t be happy. Where’s the fun in that?

  36. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    First? No. Last maybe. In this case, misery does not want company.

  37. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    So I guess everyone will be rooting for the future president of the United States tonight vs Carolina. Possible playoff implications with the Panthers with any and all tie-breakers.

  38. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    One very specific tie-break — the Niners lost straight up.
    We need to finish at least a game up on those suckers.

  39. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Dashon Goldson has been suspended again by NFL for illegal hit, per sources.

  40. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Kappy needs 14 yards rushing to pass Alex Smith on the all time 49ers rushing list.

  41. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Iupati has a sprained MCL.

  42. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh basically said today that he needs to coach better. At least I have one person that agrees with what I’ve been saying.

  43. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Depending on how the Dolphins investigation turns out, Joe Philbin might be available next year as an OC. I would jump on that possibility. The Packers high powered offense has not been as high powered since he left.

  44. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, the best D-Line in football didn’t even get Manning’s jersey dirty last night. Was it the coach’s fault? Of course not. We all know who’s to blame — Alex! 😛

  45. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    2014 is a big deal for the Niners.
    Following the SF Giants template you want to open a new stadium with a successful product.
    If the Niner brass determines Roman is the weak link he’ll be replaced.
    The hottest offense in college football are the Baylor Bears.
    They are averaging 700 yards total offense a game.
    The coaches son is a co offensive coordinator and he’s in his late 20s.

  46. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    How come you haven’t mentioned Alex Smith went toe to toe with Peyton and threw 2 TD passes to Manning’s 1??>

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- We’ve bitched back and forth about who lost the NO game for us but no one has mentioned our lack of pass rush. When it all comes down to it, it was an entire team loss. And yes, I did notice KC did not get to Manning. That, receiver drops, was the difference in that game.

  48. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Paul Soliai will be a FA after this season. I don’t know if we’ll have cap space to go after him but if so, this could be our fat man in the middle!

  49. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Not getting any favors from NE . . .

  50. winderNo Gravatar says:

    dennis, the Niners are toast and the yr is pretty much a loss. We can’t play with the big boys. I wonder what happened to our #1 OL. We are getting pushed around like a red headed stepchild. So sad.

  51. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger let’s get on the same page regarding Roman.
    I’m not a fan. He’s not imaginative enough for me.
    But, to his defense, Harbaugh is likely the major influence on what he does or doesn’t do.

    My word of the day remains as it pertains to what we call an Offense…..Frustrating.

    I’m with Bullit regarding Kaep too.
    He’s looking flustered. You can place blame on the play calling certainly but, he’s not mastering the position from pocket.

    There’s blame to pass around in all areas of the Offense.
    Our OLine is getting beaten pretty soundly of late so, you can put Solari into the conversation too.

    With all the Contract extensions we’re to be faced with after the Season, I’m starting to think that Iupati won’t command a huge offer from us.
    I’d consider moving Anthony to LG if that were to happen and look to improve the RT position. We’ll see what shakes out in due time.
    Kilgore for Goodwin? Not sold there either.

    All I want at this point is to get their collective heads together and put this thing back on the rails.
    If it means read option, spread formations, screens or whatever, just find some rhythm.

  52. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, I hope you were joking when you said Alex went “toe to toe” with Peyton last night. 47% completion rate, 25.5 QBR and another stellar 5.1 YPA. Which was even below his 31st ranked 5.9

    You talking toe to toe. You know what toe Alex Smith is?
    And this little piggy cried wee wee wee all the way to town.

  53. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The season’s far from over, Winder. With this defense they can still go far. All they have to do is, uh, block better, call better plays, get a WR or 2 worth a damn (hello, Crabs), and get Kappy’s head straight.

    Smooth sailing after that.

  54. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And you do have to look at what brother John did last year in tossing his OC halfway through the season.

  55. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger if QDial can handle the middle for us, Soliai may not be needed.

    I’m high on this kid as a possible addition in May.
    Assuming Dial and Tank can handle the inside, this kid would be a possible 5T for us.

  56. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hell of an MNF game . . . So far Ginn has the deciding TD.

  57. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Apparently hugging the receiver is OK. Wow. Great game though.

  58. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I heard about this horrific car crash on 880 in the middle of the night where a BMW travelling over 100 mph northbound went over the center barrier into a car travelling southbound killing both drivers.
    Driver of the BMW was ex Raiduh LB Thomas Howard. I am saddened and angry that his speeding and whatever else took an innocent life who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  59. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    SF Giants signed Tim Hudson to a 2 year deal.

  60. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Non-sequiter theatre brought to you by . . .

  61. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    If you caught the MNF Countdown, Ray Lewis busted out the AmEx Card and offered to pick up half of any fine Ahmad Brooks might incur for the hit on Brees –

    Naturally Ray is a LB and sides with Ahmad.
    Good clip on ESPN –

  62. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Best part about all the publicity surrounding this hit is the Slo-Mo video showing Brees’ bell getting rung.
    That is what we watch football for, body rocking contact.

    As Dilfer alludes to in the clip, the flag didn’t protect him from a concussion, just a bloody lip.

    Not sure how you play in the NFL and consider that play to be a violation.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    If you look at the Raven offense only 2 positions have changed.
    They replaced their center and Boldin. Every other starter carries over from their Super Bowl team.
    Much has been made about TE Dennis Pitta getting hurt but Ed Dickson started 11 of the games last year.

    I will say the NFL defenses are very good at adapting and defusing offenses such as the wildcat and the read option.
    Give them enough tape and they figure it out.

    For whatever reason the Ravens rank 30th in offense this year
    with Jim Caldwell their new OC calling the plays.
    In the short term a new OC energizes an offense but I agree to disagree with the value you place on the playcalling unless that OC is absolutely inept (Jimmy Raye/Hostler).

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There you go, we agree to disagree.

    Bill Walsh is the one who clued me min on the importance of a play caller. He said on defense if you have a weakness it will be exposed. You must have the players. He then said if he has a weak spot on offense he can design and call plays around that. Bill Walsh and I will continue to agree to disagree with you.

  65. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If your argument is just using numbers then you are not seeing the whole picture. You are using insurance sale techniques, you should probably buy some errors and omissions insurance, like insurance salespeople do. Just kidding on that last line but there was a point to be made.

    Because of some of losses on defense the offense is probably not getting the amount of touches it was getting last year. More than likely they are also playing more cautiously because the defense is not as good. I use numbers as a guideline and not a conclusion. You seem to come to conclusions with numbers.

    The Ravens play caller helped them get a championship and this year he is probably being asked to be more cautious. You can’t quantify a subjective decision as a number unless actually managing people is not the desired protocol. Some managers manage numbers and some manage people. That is what made Walsh great, he managed people and only used numbers as a guide for reference at times.

  66. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Defenses are taking away Boldin and Vernon Davis in the passing game because they know Kap is highly dependent on them. Load the box and stuff Gore.
    When this happens it has been proven that Kap and the Niner offense are dead in the water.
    I though this was interesting and Kap can learn from his buddy Russell Wilson on spreading the ball around.

    Uless Kap gets out of his funk the Niners will struggle mightily.

  67. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Is Kaep supposed to get out of his funk on his mown or are the coaches supposed to help and coach him through this. You are correct about Kaep, where I disagree is it is not just a one man show. The coaches have been around this game for 30 or 40 years. It is their job to coach the player they hand picked through this issue. They can design plays to help and teach him proper progressions. I believe the major problem is RoBaugh is being out coached right now and they are the ones needing to adjust the most. Until that happens how can they properly teach their young QB.

    Harbaugh played for Schembechler. He then played for the Bears who relied on their defense and run game. Finally he played for an OC in Indy that had an offense that made sense, but did he call the plays? Just because one is a former QB does it mean he is a master play caller. What RoBaugh has always done has worked for them. For them to hit this bump in the road is new territory for them. They need some time to adjust their life long philosophies, or not. Then they can teach the rest of the offense. Some coaches never adjust, see Knox, Chuck or Schottenheimer, Marty. Let’s hope RoBaugh adjusts like Billacheat, Dungy and Coughlin. Unfortunately, those three had to get fired to learn to adjust the offense.

  68. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, the thing Walsh did, which Nolan, Singletary, and now apparently Harbaugh do not do, is exactly that. Exploiting weaknesses. If Walsh sensed they could go after a backup safety, he’d do it til the defense adjusted. This offense never does that. They may hit one like they did against their b/u safety on the TD to VD, but they didn’t go back to that. They run whatever stupid-ass plays they want regardless of down or situation (see: Ram game last year. Backward pitch on the 5 to your backup WR who fumbles it for a TD the other way and thus losing the game).

    Randy Moss last year would usually get a 12 yard cushion. If Walsh saw that, he’d throw 8 yard outs until the defense adjusted either by moving the CB up or rolling the safety over. Which of course would open up something else.

    And Bullitt, the headphones have nothing to do with Kappy’s mediocre play. That’s for superficial thinkers. Get over it. Or bring up the hat again. Or other atricles of his cloting that you disapprove of.

    2:02 left in the game, 1st down and 10 from the SF 20. A running situation, as you get the clock stoppage from the 2 min warning. What do we do? Try a rollout where NO blitzes. 10 yard sack. 2nd and 20 from the 10 limits your options going forward. End of drive, as we aren’t blocking well anyway. The drive for the FG earlier, the Niners ran 3 times in a row on 1st down, for a total of 2 yards. Idiotic to say the least. When they should ne thinking play action, they run up the middle. When they should run, they take a sack.

    The cuteness factor of the playcalling HAS to be addressed. They overthink this shit to absurdity. You had to love NE yesterday when they hit the pass to the 2 yard line. Brady RUNS the team to the line to keep Carolina from subbing their goal line defense, and score easily on a runoff left tackle. THAT’S play calling. That’s situational awareness from the coaching staff.

  69. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    We can discuss this ad nauseum because you can apply what you to say to defend Roman with the same reasoning.

    Regardless what plays are being called in 2 close games where we have lost by a total of 4 points this offense has managed only one first down when we have needed a FG to beat the Panthers and 2 first downs to kill the clock and protect a lead against the Aints.

    This is on the QB just like on any other team. Last night nobody was thinking at the end that the OCs McDaniel and Shula better call the right plays. The focus as it should be was on Brady and Newton making plays and driving their teams downfield.

    Regardless what play an OC calls the QB still has to make the play so saying the OC is 70% responsible is inaccurate.
    I believe it’s mostly all on the guys on the field as I agree to disagree.

  70. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right Bergs. Harbaugh GOT Kappy for a reason. For his athleticism and his playmaking ability. He is getting stifled this year for whatever reason. It’s a mix of bad playcalling, bad blocking, and poor decisions from Kappy.

    2 of those are out of Kappy’s hands. He’s still fairly green as an NFL QB. It’s incumbent on the coaches to figure out how to get the ball out of Kappy’s hands faster (gee, how bout a slant? A hot read where the WRs actually turn around? Screens?) This is the SAME ISSUE that Alex Smith went through with Hostler/Jimmy-Hat. And the results are the same. Sub-par QB play based on more than just bad decisions or poor play. Of course, the TV wonks are already giving up on him. Look at Cam Newton last year. He struggled and lost a bunch of games. Then again, their defense was atriocious. The mouth breathers point their fingers only at the QB.

    I also think not having a veteran presence behind Kappy is hurting his growth as a QB.

  71. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Perhaps I’m a traditionalist and too “old school” but I don’t see any starting QBs in the NFL coming up to the podium, representing their team looking like this.
    The only guy that even comes close was Jim McMahon with his “message” headbands and shades and he was regarded as a Kook.

  72. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- You and I will agree about Kaep’s look on the podium. That bothers me too. He is supposed to be our leader and he looks like a kid on the street.

  73. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I also remember one play from this past Sunday when Boldin was wide open jumping up and down 12 yards downfield and Kap ignored him and ate the ball out of bounds for a minimal gain.
    Some receivers are open but Kap is not seeing them.
    My sense is he’s paying way too much attention and looking at the pass rush rather than spotting open receivers.
    Gruden said last night that Cam Newton was in his 3rd year and in his mind he should be looking for his 3rd option.
    So if you go by Gruden’s learning curve should Kap be looking for door #3 yet?
    I still say check it down and get some yards if downfield isn’t available. 3rd and 6 is better than taking a sack and trying to make a 3rd and 14.

  74. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Again with the clothes. You guys don’t have kids, do you?

    Cam Newton has over twice as many starts as has Kappy. Think that plays into things? More often than not, there isn’t a check down anyway. No hot reads. Little adjusting by the WRs when Kappy breaks contain. These are the same problems that A Smith faced.

    Randy Moss, for all his disinterest last year, garnered a lot of attention from opposing defenses. We don’t have anyone to push the safeties deep.

  75. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- So is he supposed to a leader or a kid?

  76. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    IIRC, Cam looked dreadful last year. The light is just really coming on for him. I would not be surprised if Kaepernick has that happen next year. BUT – the play calling has been a real problem here since Mooch left. I miss the days when our offense had defenses back on their heels, not up with nine men in the box, knowing *exactly* damned well what play we were going to run next.

  77. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Who ‘looks’ the part, Bergs? Tom Brady? Aaron Rodgers? Kappy is what he is. A young quarterback. If he doesn’t conform to your prescribed notion of what a quarterback is supposed to look like, that’s your problem, not his.

    First there was the uproar about his tattoos. Then it was his hat. Now it’s the headphones. Or all the ads he does. All that shit was done in the offseason. Do you begrudge Rodgers his ads? Or Brady? Or 50%-of-every-commercial-on-earth-is-Peyton-Manning?

    From all I’ve ever heard from anyone who knows Kappy, and from the writers who cover the team is he’s working his ass off day and night to be a better QB and to learn his game. 100% of the guys in the locker room say he’s got their back, and they his. But people come out of the woodwork to criticize his ‘look.’ Tiger beat? GQ? GImme a break. He ain’t perfect but to dog him for his appearance is superficial in the extreme.

    Would you prefer him taking potshots at his players a la RGIII?

  78. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The only difference between Robaugh and Jimmy Hat is, now our run game is diversified, and a lot harder to stop. So instead of third and ten and we get an incompletion to go three and out under Raye, now it’s third and four – but still too many incompletions and three and outs. We need a passing game as diversified and unpredictable as our power running game. But that will only happen if Bo Schembechbaugh decides the passing game needs that complexity and unpredictability, rather than more extra linemen, fullbacks and tight ends.

  79. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Exactly, Grump. I said that somewhere recently as well. Oh, it was here at 9:01. Hyuk.

    Cam has over 2x as many starts as Kaepernick. 42 to 17 regular season games. He’s still learning the nuances. Some people gave A. Smith 5+ season to learn, and Kappy only gets 1.5 seasons? Maybe it’s because Alex looked the part.

  80. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    My earlier comment was referring to your earlier comment, Grump.

    And, yeah, Bergs has been all over that point for a while now. Spread the formations. Get more running space, as well as getting the safeties out of the box.

    This will open up a) running lanes for Kappy and b) more underneath routes for Miller/Gore. As it is the middle of the field is clogged up due to the fact that most of our formations are bunched up anyway, and no one respects our deep (or even mid-range) game.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When you replace someone who was performing at a high level, that replacement should at the bare minimum meet or exceed that standard with no excuses.

    The premise of elevating Kaepernick to starting QB was to make the team better, versatile and dynamic. Expectations were and still are high. If Kap doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain
    he’s going to hear it.

    The most ridiculous thing I’ve read today is Alex Smith had 5+ seasons to get it right and we’re giving Kap 1.5?
    Damn straight! I do not think anyone here is willing to wait another 3.5 years like Chuck suggests for Kap to get it right.

    Using Kap’s age as an excuse for his shortcomings is a complete joke.
    Why because Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, RG3, Andrew Luck and Matthew Stafford are all younger than Kap and all are franchise QBs. When you are 26 you are not a kid.

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy said it and actually when you think about it, why not?
    Grumpy said we have not had a good play caller since Mooch.
    Ask Mooch to come back as the OC say for 3 years and make him the highest paid coordinator in the NFL.
    That would be thinking outside the box.
    The only problem is Mooch is a Michigan State guy.

  83. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, I think Mooch was better than some (spoiled) fans here thought, and deserved better than he got – but NO effing way could he and Harbaugh co-exist. You’d have a better shot with a Jew and a Palestinian working together on the coaching staff, which is to say, NONE at all.

    Too bad, because that’s the kind of passing game thinking this team needs to get back to dominance.

  84. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    And the thing about Alex last year – he had some really good games, and then he had some games that looked a whole lot like some of Kappy’s stinkers this year. Remember the awful Giants game? Or the Seattle game? We won that one, but we hardly looked very good doing it.

    Let’s face it, Inconsistency has been a hallmark of the Harby Era. Now that has been a slight (small) improvement over the Singleneuron Era, when MEN WERE MEN and pounded Frank Gore’s head into the middle of the line all three plays, every possession… but we’re still hardly playing well consistently. And its not just QB. Our O-line is full of big salaries and high draft picks, and sometimes they pancake people, and other times it’s a Chinese Fire Drill back there. One minute we look like a Super Bowl team, the next we’re going three and out for a half.

    Obviously, there is some underlying recurring problem with this offense, that transcends who is running for their life back there. We’ve changed QBs, we’ve drafted more linemen, we’ve tried out a cast of hundreds of slow smurfs at WR… maybe it’s time to take a hard look at the guys doing the coaching.

  85. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    After I wrote that I was thinking that Harbaugh wouldn’t go for it.
    In the short term maybe Roman will have an epiphany and open up the offense with Crabtree returning.
    The agony for me and most are getting a simple first down has become a task rather than routine.

  86. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Bills fan was fired for acting stupid at the game.
    He’ll probably be sued by the guy he injured that broke his fall.

  87. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The pressure is just going to mount for Kap and he needs to dig deep and overcome it to achieve his promise. Steve Young was in a similar situation and it come with being the Niner QB and fulfilling a legacy.

    This story and video is headlining the Yahoo homepage–nfl.html

  88. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    We have a long history of trouble sustaining drives, going back some years now. Alex caught a lot of shit for that, too.

    Our OC / HC don’t seem to be able to think in terms of extending drives and using plays to set up other plays. We don’t seem to react and adjust quickly to what other teams are doing – we just do our thing, and it works or it doesn’t. Chuck alluded to us not taking what the defense gives us until they stop us, using the example of Moss. We do not seem to build on success. We are too predictable as well as unimaginative in our formations and play calls. We’re not prone to turnovers but Andy Lee and your defense cannot hold your opponent forever if you keep punting after three plays. Even the best defenses start to give up yards and points if ToP runs badly against them.

  89. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Christ, Bullit. You obviously have challenges comperhending what people write. Kappy needs to play better? Right. He also needs better WRs around him, some better play calling, and better line play in front of him. “He’s going to hear it?” What? This? People bitching on blogs and over the airwaves? Oh boy. Like he’s the only reason.

    When I make the point that some folks gave Smith lots of rope to learn, I’m talking about OTHER PEOPLE, not myself. Might want to jump on those ESL classes at the local cc. God almighty. Think much?

    You are the one making the point that Kappy needs to get his shit together now or or what? Replace him with Carr? Laugh of the day right there. Too bad you don’t have a ‘post of the day’ Skeebs. Winner winner chickn dinner there. Kappy’s had 17 regular season starts. Yer a little quick on the trigger, but what else is new?

    Besides, Kappy DID exceed Smith in where they went from 2011 to 2012. Remember? This is a different year, eh? Once Montana reached the Super Bowl, did he get there every season after? Of course not. Did they miss the playoffs after winning it all? Yes. The vagaries of the NFL make it nigh impossible to repeat, or even get back. Even when the Niners built their dynasty, they were hard-pressed to repeat.

    You act more and more like a soiled fan who whines when their team doesn’t win it all every year. “Boy, Kaep’s gonna hear it from me!” You and V better get on that letter-writing campaign.

  90. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    >> insert ultra-hyperbolic post misrepresnting anything I’ve ever said<<

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That should say ‘spoiled’ but that works as well.

    It’s driving me crazy as well, Grump. Well, that and someone near these parts. At some time in the near future thay HAVE to look at speeding up getting the plays run, and not being so damned methodical.

  92. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I forgot you don’t understand football. It seems to be everyone’s fault except Kaepernick’s.
    Even if it is Kap it’s because he’s young and he’s inexperienced.
    No need to look at Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck because they don’t seem to rely on these excuses.

    In the Niner’s 4 losses the common denominator is Kap played like crap. Averaging 123 yds passing and 2 TD passes isn’t going to get it done. The 6 INTs don’t help either.

    Spin, spin, spin, flip flop and contradict yourself by saying you didn’t expect another run to the Super Bowl.
    I guess we’re back to lying.

  93. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I dusted off and threw into the washing machine my old Reebok Niner jacket from 1996 commemorating the franchise’s 50th Anniversary. Looks brand spanking new again. But that jacket is going on 18-years-old. I honestly don’t know where the hell the time has gone.

    And how the hell are the refs gonna do the future president of the United States like that and pick up the flag? That’s just un-American and disrespectful to the future leader of the Free World. Commie bastards.

  94. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kap needs to get his act together or the Niners will draft another QB and Kap might not see the big contract.
    If he keeps playing this way they’ll do the year to year take it or leave it contract and avoid the big money.

  95. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    History will tell you that Alex Smith was given some leeway by some because they understood the talent around him was limited.
    You have developed the amnesia and you forget the Niners didn’t sniff the playoffs for 10 years and nor did they have a winning record.

    Believe it or not the coaching is exponentially better than
    Erickson, Nolan and Singletary.

    The current roster is built to win now but because of your football ignorant state of mind, Chuck fails to grasp this
    basic truth. That window closes really fast.

  96. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    This article aligns with your viewpoint about Roman to a certain extent but the solution to the Niner woes is different.–nfl.html

  97. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I agree with Vincent Frank. I am not advocating passing the ball more, I’m asking for better play calling.

    That starts with better choices on formations to help keep teams from loading the box every play. The 49ers play classic vertical offense strategy even though they do it with WCO concepts. It is not just the running game that can be used to bring the safeties up. The passing game is effective for that too.

    With proper use of formations the passing game can not only bring safeties up, but also outside. RoBaugh has disdained this concept.

  98. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I did not properly complete the last paragraph. Proper formations spreads the defense if the proper plays are called. We us some of these formations but don’t make the defenses defend them in such a way as to help the running game open up. That is because we are trying to use it for nothing but big plays instead of methodical chain movement, which would force safeties deeper and/or wider, therefore taking bodies out of the box for the running game.

  99. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Defensive players are too fast and too athletically skilled in 2013 to concede any aspect of the game or area of the field to them.

    You have to run; you have to pass. You have to go inside, you have to go outside. And you have to keep the defense off balance and guessing.

    The field is 100 yards long and 53 and a third wide and if you want to win you need to attack and contest every inch.

  100. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Benching Kappy sets the team back another 2 years. Bullit. You are daft. 17 starts is not enough time to evaluate a QB. Just because a couple guys buck the trend doesn’t mean everyone needs to perform in his 2nd year. As a starter, skippy.

    What was Cam’s record last year?

    Brian Billick had some interesting things to say about QBs. He said they need somewhere around 2,000 hours of playing time to fully develop. Kappy’s not there yet.

    But yeah, let’s put in McCoy and start a rookie next season.

  101. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    History tells me the 49ers never had ANYONE in place that was better than A Smith.

    Troy Smith, Tent Dilfer, Tim Rattay, Shaun Hill, Nate Davis, David Carr, and plenty more who I don’t want to remember, were brought in to BACK Smith up. Not to challenge him for the starting spot. No matter what the FO said.

  102. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Hmmm. 2,000 hrs of playing time? 3 hrs per game x 16 games per year = 48 hrs per year X 41 years to get in 2,000 hrs. Perhaps this is why people take Billick’s views with a grain of salt.

  103. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    So what you are saying is the front office understood that they were building a shitty team and therefore let Smith stay because of that? In other words, they were aware of their own ineptitude? Right. I guess you don’t remember that in 2007, the Niners were the upstart darlings of the talking heads on TVs. Same with 2009. There was no leeway with Smith.

  104. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    OK, 200. I don’t recall the exact number.

  105. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The premise being you need 3-4 years to get a true sense of how good a QB is. Old school thinking? Sure, That was the old standard by which QBs used to be developed. There are plenty of examples of this. There are very few to hit the ground running. Wilson joined a team with a strong defense. RGIII is having his struggles. Luck joined a solid team that tanked for a year. As did Worthlessberger. Manning had his struggle early.

    Elementary stuff.

  106. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    All good points today guys.

    What is very much a possibility in the Rookie Cap era is this…

    You won’t have the JaMarcus/Alex/Bradford Contracts tying your Cap up for years, while Teams cross their fingers, hoping they selected the right QB for the future.

    Kaep is a talented kid. He’s also cheap.
    I’m seeing similar issues with him as you’d see from many young QBs, he’s unable to adjust to Defensive schemes on the fly.
    He needs to adjust to throwing vs running first too.

    Perhaps, Harbaugh is reigning him in some to force that philosophy?
    For me, I feel he needs to have some latitude to move around more and dumb it down in the huddle.

    Nothing better than a strong running game and a quick play action option.
    Crossing routes should fit him well, as he’s a very accurate passer.
    His biggest challenge there is, developing the touch needed for each level of the route tree.

    He trumps Alex in every throw across and down the field.
    Once he learns to slow the game down mentally or, buy more time to see his targets, he’s going to continue to over think and make poor decisions.

    Yeh, he’s a relative pup in terms of game experience and lost his targets from last year.
    All things considered, he’s looking uncomfortable and confused.

  107. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    And to my point about the Rookie Cap.
    If you miss on the QB Pick, it won’t break your Cap to keep trying.

    I fully expect Baalke to select another QB in May.
    How high? No clue.

    But, there is much better depth this year than in recent years so, I’d guess maybe Rd 3 at the earliest.

  108. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    2 guys I’ve lightly ‘scouted’ to date are Logan Thomas from Va Tech and AJ McCarron from ‘Bama.
    I’ll work on others as we go.

    I’m also very high on OG Cyril Richardson from Baylor.
    Our Oline is not very stout in terms of Pass Pro, especially on the interior.

  109. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I hope it isn’t the coaches reigning Kappy in, NJ, because they are messing with what makes him successful. We saw the last 2 coaches here not really use the (apparent? supposed?) strengths of their #1 QB.

    Great show on the NFL Network documenting the history of the *ahem* forward pass. The hope is Greg Roman was watching.

  110. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeh Chuck, I’m not quite sure what to make of the lack of running from Kaep of late.
    I’m all for him getting more proficient in the pocket however.
    Whatever is taking place, he’s looking confused to me.

    Eyes are key for the QB.
    He’s got to see the field and be a quick trigger man.
    I’m not seeing him looking for options.
    He appears to be locking on his guy at the expense of other outlets.
    It’s a growing thing for sure but, he’s looking hurried and confused.
    Pressure is partly to blame for sure.

    Has to get that clock in his head to react to game speed.

  111. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    He’s great at ball placement in tight windows and all but, he’s also got to learn to throw a guy open as they say.
    That involves seeing the Defense and identifying the areas a Receiver can be led into safely and successfully.

    Pressure is taking him off his game.
    Hemming him in and ruining the timing seems to be the key to taking us away from getting plays completed.

  112. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The only one I don’t really agree with is #2. Rolling out in the red zone shrinks he field even further than it already is.

    I suppose a roll out inhte RZ can buy time, but you usually end up with a real crowded end zone.

  113. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    That’s funny, I’m reading the same article right now
    It almost appears as though Roman is going into games with a specific set of plays to run and not letting each series dictate what should be utilized.

    That smells of indecisiveness to me.
    Narrow minded and unimaginative.

    Goes back to the SB.
    Same plays over and over. All failed of course.

  114. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Roll outs make a ton of sense since the ‘Book’ seems to be bring pressure in his face.
    That’s what separates the good Offensives from the average ones.
    Just move the sticks.
    Short quick hitters loosen a Defensive, and likely open the other aspects of the game for us.

    If we don’t stomp the ‘Skins on Monday, we’re in trouble.
    Chicago and AZ are breathing down our necks right now.
    We’re better than our record indicates but, you have to improve on Offense and STeams.

    Get LMJ and Baldwin going for cryin’ out loud.
    Loosen the box and play a little dink and dunk or something?

  115. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    My NYJ Buddy warned me months ago that letting Mangini into the building would be a curse.

    I’m seriously wondering if he might have something there.

  116. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Many of us hace called for the Screen game too.
    Having LMJ should give us a weapon in the open field.
    Have to get him involved.

    Maybe a better approach to 3 TEs is 3 RBs?
    Put pressure on the LBs to run with them underneath.

    Have to create some balance and rhythm.
    Bruce catches well, have to see if LMJ and Hunter can add something there too.

  117. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    After reading that Bleacher Report piece, I think Mori is reading our stuff.

    Kaep vs RG III was a premier matchup when the schedule was released.
    Had plans to travel to DC just to see it in person.
    I’ve decided to save the money and watch at home now.

    Kaep isn’t Kaep.
    RG III is still a step slow too.

    We’d better stomp them. If not, we’re toast.

  118. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s another reminder of what could be….

  119. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like Whitner withdrew the name change request to Hitner.
    Appears that he’ll have to wait until after the Season since he’s required to be in Court for the change hearing to proceed.

    Guess it’s gonna wait until after the Season.

  120. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Good news for you fellows that watch games with the sound on:

    “Dan Dierdorf retires from broadcasting.”

  121. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    And there was much rejoicing across the kingdom.

  122. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I liked Dan Dierdorf. I met him just after he left MNF and he talked with me for while. He told me he had something going with CBS before it was announced and he was just a good person to talk with.

  123. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Total bs move that Brooks fined 16k for hitting Brees.
    Sad day for No Fun League

  124. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Brooks has been fined $16,000 for his hit on Brees. I guess we’ll see if Ray Lewis gives him $8,000 as promised . . .

  125. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The stupidity and injustice to the Brooks fine is thatif anything it was incidental contact. You have guys deliberately targeting who were fined less.

    Huge mistake.

  126. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The league was embarrassed by the bad press by Ray-Ray and others, and is pulling its usual dick move of doubling down harder. Goodell continues to live down to his abysmal reputation.

  127. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Clay Matthews was fined less for carrying out his announced cheap shot. He hit Kap out of bounds ashe daid he would hit Kap on his neck.
    Matthews got 3 for 1 and paid a smaller sum.

  128. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Kappy was considered a runner at that point. Stupid to parse it that way? Sure, but this is Goodie Goodell’s league. We only protect ‘traditional’ QBs.

  129. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Here is the difference in calling plays and being a play caller. I give you the situation at USC:

  130. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of USC, Colin Cowherd threw out the rumor of Harbaugh taking the Trojan vacancy. I’d drive his goddamn ass to the airport.

    Berger, how many times do I have to tell you? Getting rid of Roman will not change who Jim Harbaugh is. If you have a gangrenous foot, you don’t put another sock on it to hide the discoloration, you cut the goddamn off. If you want the Niner offense to truly change, the Big Willie must go.

  131. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    The Niners have the fewest pass attempts (252) in the NFL. That’s 34 fewer then the next team. You think if we fire Roman Jimbo’s gonna allow the new guy to go 5-wide in a hurry-up offense and sling it around like the Saints, Pats and Broncos?

    Jim Harbaugh is this team’s offensive cancer. Dissect and remove the tumor that is Jim Harbaugh.

  132. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Hope Denny is kidding
    Harbaugh is 30-11-1 that’s .732 winning percentage.
    So Denny is trying to get his bff Dennis Erickson back as HC?

  133. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17