Russian Roulette

The NFL is becoming more of a drama queen than the Bachelorette. And what better way for the 49ers to dive into the spirit of the times than by traveling to New York, the circus capital of the world, to play the Tabloid Jets.

A mere one week ago, 49er fans were presuming a playoff spot and were focused only on winning the Super Bowl. This week, fans have to be concerned that a loss Sunday to the Jets would put a serious question mark next to the team’s chances to even get into the playoffs as a wild card. Amazing what one dumb loss can do to our fragile psyches!

But the real cause of alarm might very well be that the NFC West has two other teams that have emerged as more formidable challengers to the Niners than previously expected. It’s not a stretch, given the favorable upcoming schedule, that we’ll see the Cardinals get out to a 6-1 or even 7-0 start to the season. And Seattle, obviously, has just been given a free win where they should have had a loss.

All of which makes this week’s Jets game rather important. My blase shit-don’t-stink fandom has once again regressed back into critical-anxiety mode.

It’s not much comfort, but at least we’re not Packers fans, who had to digest hearing that their team contemplated throwing the rest of their games in protest of the NFL’s lockout of the old refs. This was on the flight home from the debacle in Seattle and can be chalked up to post game hysteria, but it can’t be comforting to the Green Bay fans that their team’s first impulse was to throw in the towel rather than dig in even harder.

At least the 49ers picked up their loss Sunday the old fashioned way — they earned it. But they, and every team in the league, now know that losses may also occur the new fashioned way: Error on Ref. You came, you conquered, you got screwed. This is not good and, in a sport as violent and emotional as football, it could become dangerous. Dangerous enough that the league could be held liable for creating and fostering an atmosphere where violence was probable, one of those Reckless Endangerment type deals. If I were a replacement ref, I’d definitely be strapping on a Kevlar vest before donning my zebra costume this weekend.

The ref travesty in Seattle has overshadowed what would normally be some earth moving developments in the 2012 season. Four long standing powerhouse franchises — the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, and Saints — all look fairly ordinary and eminently beatable these days. The Saints haven’t even won a game yet. And this week they travel to Green Bay, where the loser will have serious trouble making a playoff run. And even the East Coast biasites can’t avoid noticing that the NFC West has become the toughest division in the NFC, and probably all of football. It’s not inconceivable that three teams from the division will qualify for the playoffs.

The season is still young, but it’s getting late soon for some teams. Let’s hope the 49ers don’t join this life support group this weekend. And let’s hope the scab refs don’t put us there, either.

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  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Perrish Cox had the funniest tweet
    on the scab refs debacle

    Cornerback Perrish Cox (@pcox16): “Is the refs workin for the buffalo wild wings commercial?”

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I am curious how many of you have visited the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton?
    Canton and Cooperstown are on my bucket list.
    Niner beatwriters visited yesterday.

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Add to that list College Football
    HOF, South Bend, IN, College Basketball HOF, Kansas City and
    Pro Basketball HOF, Springfield, MA

  4. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    And the NASCAR HOF in Charlotte, NC.

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I would not have guessed that the upcomming GB and NO game would be a Loser Bowl.

  6. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If NO loses, they’ll have to do what only one team in history has done: start 0-4 and make the playoffs. The 1992 Chargers.

  7. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We caught a good break not having to go against Revis.

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    It’s Wed and Rex Ryan has been laying low and not shooting his mouth off but there;s still time.
    The news out of the Big Apple is dominated by the scab refs. The only others JEST news is Revis gone for the year and Sanchez spotted getting cozy with Eva Longoria.
    The Jets can’t run the ball or stop the run so it would seem the Niners are a bad matchup for them.

  9. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like somebody caved:
    “As @mortreport is reporting, an agreement between NFL and NFLRA is at hand and both sides will work to have officials working this weekend.”

  10. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Things have changed in the NFL this year and it’s not because of the refs. The NFL has gone back to being a more physical league, and teams are stopping the pass. The Steelers and NO are done this year, and for that matter, so are the Jets. The Patriots and Packers won’t make the Super Bowl. The Ravens have the right combo of passing and physical play on defense. So do the Texans.
    We think the NFL is dominated by the NFC, but for my money, right now, the two best teams in the NFL (Ravens and Texans) are in the AFC.
    Raven / Texan AFC Championship?
    Atlanta / 49ers NFC Championship?
    I know, I know. Way too early to say, and the Unca / Bullit retard show will try to put words in my mouth, but the reality is, the pendulum (like Grump likes to say) looks to have swung, and I don’t think it’s too early to say things are changing – and it’s not because of the refs. I just believe that the era of the last three or four years where the qb and passing game and receivers were everything and the team could have a 31st ranked D and win the Super Bowl is over. But don’t get excited, 49er fans. You still need a qb, and Alex Smith isn’t going to out-duel Flacco, Schaub or Matt Ryan, especially with their defenses. Jim Harbaugh needs to change the qb but he’ll only do that if the 49ers lose a few games in a row and Harbaugh is looking up at Seattle and Arizona with the threat of falling further behind. I don’t think the 49ers will lose to the Jets, but if they do, Alex Smith’s job will be in jeopardy.
    The 49ers, despite the loss to the Vikings, are still the most talented team in the NFL with an anchor tied to their leg in Alex Smith. I honestly believe right now that Alex Smith is playing his last couple of games in the NFL as a starter. The minute he hits the bench for Kaep and Tolzien is the minute Smith gets cut next year. When that happens, the NFL has recently drafted a number of young, cheap studs to play qb. There’s no room in the NFL for Smith to be a starter in this league when he loses his starting job to Kaep and Tolzien.
    Look at the Jets. They were a Super Bowl caliber team going to the AFC Championship game with owner Woody claiming, “It’s our year.” Then last year Holmes and Sanchez were yelling at each other and this year they’re a joke. Team’s decline or they improve with good qb play. The Ravens (surprisingly) are getting great qb play from Flacco and that team looks like the front runner for the SB, and it’s just in time too for Flacco. He was sitting on a make or break year.
    Flacco, Ryan, Alex Smith and Sanchez are all sitting on defining years. 3 out of the 4 of them could be in the championship games. Flacco and Ryan look up to the challenge. Sanchez and Smith don’t. Oddly enough, Sanchez and Smith both face each other this weekend in the qb vomit bowl. Watch out for that glacier, Smith!

  11. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    It just keeps getting better and better

    Also our buddy Jim “Shake Shake Shake” Schwartz is now on the hotseat. I just don’t like the lack of patience owners are exhibiting jettisoning coaches because they have unrealistic expectations and demand instant

  12. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, last week .5, the NFC West won their games against supposedly better foes. Niners over Detroit, Seattle over Dallas, AZ over NE, and the Rams over Wash.
    AZ got fairly lucky their first 2 games. Sea couldn’t score on 4 tries from the 4 yard line with 4 timeouts, and NE missed a FG as time expired. They destroyed Philly though, with their defense.
    I said at the start of the season that these defenses in this division were top-notch, and this is coming to pass. The Kolb/Skelton show remains unsolved.

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    The usual uninsightful clueless BS drivel from you.
    Ravens and Niners are both 2-1.
    Flacco has risen to the challenge
    and Smith hasn’t?
    Those drugs have fried what little gray matter you have left between your ears.

  14. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Albert, your first couple paragraphs were sensible observations, not that Dennis would agree, but then you had to wind up your anti-Smith propaganda machine. Smith has proven the big stage is not too big for him. Ryan hasn’t come close. Schaub hasn’t been there yet and the Ravens always seem to come up short.

  15. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Of course, if you stayed sensible for an entire comment, you wouldn’t be Albert.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The NFL should make personal foul penalties reviewable if challenged because it seems they are missing the first action that leads to the retaliation.
    In this case two wrongs do make it right as if there are two actions they should offset and a punk like Finnegan shouldn’t get away with cheap shots and have his team benefit because the official didn’t see it.

  17. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That’s been true since the inception of the NFL, Bullit. If you can’t keep your cool out there, you get penalized. Tough shit.

  18. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If they are going to review anything, it should be PI calls. New refs, old refs, no one can get that shit right. But reviewing presonal faouls will drag the games out interminably.

  19. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I agree about reviewing PI calls, Chuck. The penalties involved can be huge chunks of yardage which change the course of a game. They should be as correct as often as possible.

  20. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers – “Smith has proven the big stage is not too big for him.” Well Skeebers, that’s something you’re always proving – it’s not something you just prove once. But in addition to that, I disagree he’s ever proved it. In the NFC Championship game, against the 25th ranked defense in the NFL, Smith had 6 passing yards to his wide receivers and he was hit half as often as Eli Manning. Smith had the better team, the better defense, and Smith still lost because he couldn’t do anything with his arm. The only guy he had any chemistry with was Vernon, and that’s on Smith. It’s not on anyone but Smith. Crabtree was open on numerous occasions. Bradshaw and Howie Long were saying at halftime, “The opportunities are there for Smith, he has to capitalize on them,” and Smith didn’t. So, no. Smith didn’t prove he belongs. He was awful, terrible and horrific in the NFC Championship game, and remember as well…. in the Saints game, the Saints turned the ball over 5 times and still were in it in the 4th quarter because Smith had two stagnate quarters of offensive football, letting Drew and the Saints back in the door. A good qb steps on the Saints’ neck and the Saints are a non-factor in the 4th quarter.
    But we’ll agree to disagree that Smith has proven himself in the big show. This year, things are harder for the 49ers. Defenses are better, teams are more developed and matured (the NFL went through a period of new blood two years ago that is now settling), and teams are now onto Harbaugh and Roman, so Smith, like Joe Flacco, needs to pickup his game. But Smith sure was horrific against the Vikings. Why? Because the Vikings took away Gore and Hunter. And that’s what teams are going to do from here on out – make Smith beat them.
    Last year the New York Giants tried to do that, but they made one huge mistake – they talked about it before the game… in the week leading up to the game Justin Tuck was talking about “making Smith beat them,” and Harbaugh and Roman went out and created a masterful game plan where the 49ers uncharacteristically threw first and ran second. Smith looked great, and the pressure was off Smith for the next few weeks. But what if all teams take that approach because on Sunday night Tony Dungy said, “You stop the 49ers by stopping the run game and making Smith beat you.” What if every team takes that approach, each week? The Jets should be easy for the 49ers to dominate without Revis, but I don’t think it’s going to matter. I think Rex will stop the run and Smith will once again flail. The only way the 49ers dominate that game is if they pressure Sanchez into throwing pick 6’s.

  21. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    The last paragraph is referring to when the 49ers played the Giants during the REGULAR season.

  22. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The 49ers are a running team, of course you have to stop Gore. If you can’t, you’re dead. That’s a typical Dungy “duh” remark.
    The Vikes didn’t stop Gore, as you keep dimly insisting. They kept him off the field by getting the lead and dominating our supposedly impenetrable defense with long drive after long drive.

  23. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    We’ll see if the league starts defending the 49ers differently and if Harbaugh can counter with Smith. I think the 49ers beat the Jets because the Jets’ defense is old and slow, they just lost Revis and Mark Sanchez is the qb. But I no longer think the NFC West division is a foregone conclusion. I see a change in the NFL, and I think Harbaugh needs to change the qb to counter the changing NFL. Dungy’s remark was a “duh,” remark, but sometimes you need to hear it to really focus on it. I think the entire league will now focus on stopping Gore and Hunter, and I think Alex Smith is in trouble.

  24. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The league’s been focusing on stopping Gore since 2006.

  25. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    In addition, the Vikings did take Gore out of the game regardless if you want to paint it differently. Gore had 64 yards and no touchdowns. The Vikings were only up by two touchdowns. Last year, the Eagles were up by more and Harbaugh and Roman still ran Gore with “wham,” plays and Gore got the 49ers back in the game despite tool Niner fans claiming it was Smith who got the 49ers back in the game. It was Gore who won the Eagles’ game. Gore was not taken out of the game plan with similar time on the clock and score (similar to the Vikings’ game) against the Eagles because the Eagles were a soft front seven. However, Gore was taken out of the game plan in Minnesota by Mike Singletary which is irony at its finest.
    The reality is, Singletary may have created a defensive game plan the rest of the league can now follow when facing the 49ers. Like my boy, Matt Maiocco wrote, the 49ers didn’t lose that game against the Vikings. The 49ers were flat-out beat. Why? Because the Viking took away Gore and Alex Smith was up to his normal, disgusting tricks. Sometimes it takes the league a while to catch onto a team. The league is catching onto the new Harbaugh / Smith version, and it’ll shut it down. Until Smith is gone, it always has been, and always will be…. time to change the qb.

  26. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    “The league has been focusing on stopping Gore since 2006.” Really? That’s all you got? Surely even a dimwit like yourself, Skeebers, understands that Harbaugh reinvents players and the schemes around them that the league has to adjust to. I mean, that’s your bread and butter with Smith. I think you’re aware.

  27. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    “presonal faouls’? Where’s the f#$%#ing edit button?
    Yeah, PI calls are borderline tragic in the course of any game. New refs or old. 3rd and 27? Throw up a prayer and hope the DB breathes on the WR for a flag. It is the one area where the old refs and new refs are one and the same. They rarely get it right. EVERY play would be PI based on the hand-checking going on.
    You may not like that Gore deal, allstink, but it has been true since he got here. Defending them differently? Like what, 8 in the box? Christ, you been living under a rock these last 5 years? I guess the next step is for defenses to line up on our side of the LOS? 12 in the box? And you call me retarded. You must be a potted fern. Harbaugh spent all last year trying to get the safety OUT of the box. Double-duh there sport. And why did we get Moss nd Manningham? Same deal. As usual, you sure love you some you. Brevity, skippy.

  28. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Gawd, you’ve really lost it, allstink. It used to be fun, now it’s just sad. Time for you to disappear with NoFear for a bit and hone your, uh, game.

  29. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If you think Singletary created a game plan of any kind, Albert, you’ve really lost it. Gore: 5.3 yards per carry, 12 carries – same ypc as Detroit game, 5 less carries. TOP: 33:26 Vikes to 26:32 SF.

  30. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers – if you don’t think Singletary was apart of the game plan, a team he coached a team where he knows almost all the players – their strength and weaknesses – then I’m not the lost one. That would be the blog host.

  31. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    But then again, Skeebers, we all know you really don’t know football….

  32. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Singletary admitted he didn’t have any more input on the game than any other game [hint: zero]. Lot of new faces since he was coach, and he didn’t know nothing about the offense even when he was here. If he provided any help, it would have been how to attack the defense – which the Vikes did pretty well.

  33. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Did you even watch the game, Al?

  34. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis, Micheal Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Soap, Ray, Justin, Willis, Brown, Goldson, Brooks, Alex Smith…. yeah, I’m sure… in fact I’m positive Singletary had no input when Leslie was creating the game plan, and in addition, we all know Singletary’s a man of his word. I’m sure they told Singletary to take a powder while creating their game plan. What planet are you from?
    Bottom line – the Vikings stopped Gore, made Smith beat them (which Smith could not), and it’s simply a coincidence in your mind that Singletary was the linebacker coach and they shut down the run. Solid assessment there, Skeebers.

  35. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I’m from the planet that watched Singletary not have a clue about game plans, and admit he was a big picture kind of guy [hint:zero in the x and o room]. You’re from the planet that thinks he suddenly knows how to advise an OC how to attack another team’s defense [hint: let’s try to run, run, run]. Admit it, Al, you missed the game.

  36. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The Niners threw 19 times in the 1st half. They ran 9 times. Really 8 as one was a scramble. Gore got 6 runs.
    Among those runs were gains of 11, 2, 4, 3, 5, and 7. The -5 was Hunter’s toss.
    Minn didn’t stop the Niners run game. The Niners weren’t running.
    Try watching the game, he who has been schooled again.

  37. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Lol. This blog makes me laugh. It will go to insane levels to protect Alex Smith. Nobody is claiming Singletary is a genius, but claiming Singletary wasn’t apart of the game plan is moronic even for Skeebers and Unca…. and that puts the B in dum.

  38. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “The reality is, Singletary may have created a defensive game plan the rest of the league can now follow when facing the 49ers.”
    Now you’re saying he only had a part of it, a non-genius part [hint: hit ’em in the mouth] not the creator. Got it. You’ve rebutted your own comment.

  39. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Laugh like a loon, skippy. They are used to that where you are locked up. The point is the Niners came out passing the ball. I’m not protecting Smith. I’m stating fact. The Niners came out throwing. Did it work well? No. It got them a feld goal, and a blocked attempt. The problem is, Gore got 6 handoffs in the 1st half. Lousy strategy. But it was the NINERS strategy.
    Minn didn’t stop the run. The Niners didn’t USE it. There’s a distinct diff, softie.
    In the first 18 plays there were 3 runs. Explain to me how Minn stopped our running game when the Niners were passing? Oh, that’s right Singletary was out there stopping it.

  40. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    This is just the gift that keeps on giving. I love Skeebers when he actually tries to talk football. Skeebers, give it up. You don’t know football, you never have.
    Here’s exactly what happened, word for word according to Skeebers.
    Leslie: Hey Mike, mind coming into my office?
    Sing: What’s up, Frazier?
    Leslie: Mind helping me with the game plan for the 49ers?
    Sing: Hell yes I do. That’s unethical and additionally, I’m not an X and O guy.
    Leslie: You’re wimp and puss if you don’t.
    Sing: (Sing knocks Leslie to the ground with a punch to the throat). DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!!

  41. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Tell me again how Minn stopped our running game, oh shitter of dumb . . .

  42. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Unca / Bullit – does it bother you that you try to jump into other people’s debates and still nobody wants to talk to you? I mean, your life is blogging and you’re reduced to trying to high-jack other debates. It’s really a pathetic existence for you.

  43. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Thinking that I am Chuck and constantly calling us out on it just goes to show how far gone you really are.
    How many decades have the lights been on with nobody home?

  44. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Waaaaaaah! You resort to pussiness when losing the argument. Typical. Back under the rock, pal.

  45. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Really. Bullit’s an idiot. I ain’t that bad . . .

  46. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    When somebody runs circles around you what can you do but resort to namecalling?
    Take a step back and you’ll notice that you and Spitwad actually use the same innuendo playbook.
    You accused me of being Skeebers and Red Dog with your mudslinging throw it on the wall and let’s see what sticks.
    It is funny to see you flail about like a fish out of water.

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit I did Canton with 3 of my kids in 2010 when Jerry went in.
    A trip I’ll never forget.
    Got pics with Eric Dickerson, Derrick Deese and Keena Turner.
    Got within 3 feet of Joe and Steve.
    Ex players, current players were everywhere.
    A trip I’d do again in a heartbeat, but only when another 9er goes in.
    I’ll highly recommend it to anyone who hasn’t made the trip.
    Enshrinement weekend was an absolute blast.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    The next Niner to go in might be Eddie D. BY is deserving but I’m not sure if the rest of the NFL
    thinks he’s worthy.
    The enshrinement sounds great but
    it also has huge crowds and a circus atmosphere. I’ll probably just try going on some obscure weekday to avoid the crowds.
    Would make the trip up to Cleveland to see the Rock & Roll HOF.
    Have you been to any of the other HOFs?

  49. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t know why the Vikes defense was so tough on us but they were. They got a lot of good players on their D, but I still think it came down to us being out coached on both sides of the ball. Made us look pretty bad and vulnerable. Seems like the QB’s that are making it can not only run but throw, these defenses are too big and fast to hold onto the ball for too long.

  50. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Not sure what to make of the JEST
    injury list with half their roster on it. This per Cam Inman
    – The Jets’ practice report: Did not participate – WR Stephen Hill (hamstring), LB Bart Scott (toe), S Eric Smith (hip, knee). Limited – RB John Conner (knee), TE Dustin Keller (hamstring), LB Bryan Thomas (hamstring), WR Patrick Turner (hamstring). Fully participated: LB Nick Bellore (shoulder), CB Antonio Cromartie (shoulder), DT Mike Devito (calf), S LaRon Landry (heel), CB Ellis Lankster (back), C Nick Mangold (wrist), G Brandon Moore (hip), LB Calvin Pace (achilles), DT Sione Pouha (back), QB Mark Sanchez (back), CB Isaiah Trufant (ankle).

  51. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I don’t think the Viking D stopped the Niner attack. Lee only punted 3 times.
    It was their ball control offense
    and the 3 drives of 80 yds or more that was the difference bleeding over 21 mins off the clock and limiting the Niner opportunities on offense.
    Credit their D for 2 timely turnovers. Gore’s fumble was huge
    and Whitner dropping a pick six
    was a game changer.
    What went unnoticed was the Vikings were called for only 1 penalty.
    Basically the Vikes played like the Niners better than the Niners.

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It’s a smokescreen Bullit.
    Injury lists are a joke.
    Be prepared for every guy not listed as ‘OUT’.
    As for HOF stuff, I’ve only done Canton.
    I couldn’t imagine doing it without all the festivities of the enshrinement to be honest with you.
    Half the Steeler Defense was there in 2010 for LeBeau.
    Having all the players there is worth it to me even though the crowds are monumental.
    We literally chased down Keena Turner because he passed us in the crowd going in the opposite direction.
    His words when we caught up and asked for a picture, ‘I always have time for fellow 9er Fans’.
    Class guy and, one of Sons’ favorite players when he was first learning to be a 9er fan as a kid in the 80s.

  53. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    New Niner practice video.
    Notice Whitner practicing catching high throws.

  54. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh got too cute for his own good, as far as I can tell. He threw way too much too early, and the D gave up too many long drives. The killer was not stopping Minn after closing the game to 17-13 in the 3rd quarter. The 4 was a comedy of errors.
    Eddie D will not likely get in due to his riverboat gambling license fiasco. BY? Maybe. I’d love to see it. Then again, I dug Michael Carter. Unsung hero back in the day.

  55. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh, Bullit. Lighten the f#$% up. Can’t you take a joke?

  56. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New deal is signed. Old refs will be back at work for Thursday night’s game. This might be the only time in their reffing lives that they might hear some cheers.

  57. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Til they throw a flag . . .

  58. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We met Dickerson and Deese inside one of the pavillion tents and got pics with them also.
    Gayle Sayers was there also, totally engulfed by fans waiting for pics as well.
    Couldn’t get within 20 feet of him.
    My oldest Son and I just kept pointing and asking each other all day ‘Who do you think that guy is?’.
    Hard to identify these players when you’re used to seeing them in uniforms but, we figured the majority of the guys we saw that day were former team mates of the guys going in.
    Mean Joe and many former players were also there just as Joe and Steve were for Jerry.
    Heard Ronnie was there but never got the chance to locate him.
    Rice and Ronnie were my guys.
    The Original SF Treat!

  59. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Way cool NJ

  60. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Best trip I’ve ever done 12th.
    My kids and I will never forget it.
    Met a ton of 9er fans from all over the Country.
    Tailgated on the street behind Fawcett Stadium, the field where the ceremony took place and, talked with 9er fans all afternoon.
    Something to add to your bucket list if you’ve never done it.

  61. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Sounds like a memory maker, it’s on the list, I might need a bigger bucket though.

  62. winderNo Gravatar says:

    NJ – two of the most exciting RBs I ever saw were Hugh McElhenny and Gayle Sayers. Amazing football players
    bullet – I agree it was the time of possession that killed us in the Vike game but they just flat out outplayed us since our D could do nothing about it. It was the first time in a while that Smith looked lost and I think it was the Defensive scheme

  63. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    1 regret 12th, I flagged down a guy wearing a SIGNED Rice 88 jersey from Miss Valley State.
    We BS’d for a few, he liked my 9er tat and we agreed to take a pic together.
    His better half took a pic of us as did my daughter.
    She said as they were walking away that he played with Jerry.
    I have the pic on the wall of my 9er room to this day but I never got his name.

  64. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    The bigger the bucket the longer you have to hang around to empty it 12th!
    1 shot at life, make it count!

  65. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Another thing on my list is to tailgate in SF on gameday.
    Always wanted to do the ‘Stick but I’m running out of time.

  66. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    88 jersey?

  67. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Rice was 88 in college.
    Mississippi Valley State

  68. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Delta Devils

  69. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I take my motorhome to candlestick. There is an R.V. park right across the street opposite the stadium, the only one in S.F.
    I go on a Friday afternoon and come back on Monday, it’s the best deal, after the game just stroll acroos the jammed street, no waiting for an hour to get on the freeway, sit and watch the traffic, BBQ and drink a few cold ones. Then off to the wharf for dinner.
    Great weekend.

  70. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    yes your right, he was.

  71. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Near as I can tell the guy I met wasn’t Willie Totten his College QB.
    Not sure who the guy was but, he had the jersey signed by Jerry.
    Not something you see everyday.
    He walked by and I flagged him down to let him know how much I admired it.

  72. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Something I would love to do just once 12th.
    My Son got engaged on the Jumbotron at the ‘Stick.
    He’s been out there several times by way of a College buddy who had ticket connections.
    Me, I’m the guy stuck with the mortgage and a job, the kids have all the time and money to have fun it seems.

  73. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Not something you see every day that’s for sure. I have a signed pro Rice jersey in my shrine but no college.

  74. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    you better hurry up NJ, it’s gonna be rubble soon.

  75. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Or should I say, my Son proposed on the Jumbotron at the ‘Stick.
    She did say yes and we’re taking his oldest Son to his 1st 9er game on Sunday against the NYJ.

  76. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I know 12th.
    Working on it.
    I expect to meet Maiocco on Sunday before the game.
    Gonna ask him to mail me a jar of field dirt from the ‘Stick just in case.

  77. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Maiocco is actually a nice guy.
    Very approachable and he will tweet or reply to your emails.

    Ray Ratto not so much.

  78. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The NFL settled with the Refs.
    Regular refs will work tomorrow night;s game.
    Will they make mistakes? They’re human. They just won’t make the game painful to watch. They should have a “let them play” attitude and not decide games.

  79. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve said this a lot but I am still amazed at how few holding penalties have been called on the Oline compared to just 2 years ago. Is it the coaching?
    A Davis has gotten over his 2 or 3 false starts every game when he was a rookie. Those were drive killers. Now I’ll knock on wood.

  80. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Great treasured moments in life NJ, generations of Niner fans in Jersey, who’d a thunk it.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    You know who never get’s talked about as a HOF candidate and is very deserving?
    George Seifert. He’s won 2 Super Bowls as HC and has 5 rings.
    With the Niners he has a .766 winning percentage.
    There is a push that Bill Parcells
    be inducted and he has only won 2 Super Bowls with a NY Gnat winning % of .611.
    Lot of NY and East Coast bias but Seifert deserves to be in Canton.

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    One thing I never thought about is NFL teams now gameplan using scouting reports on the officiating crew and their tendencies which when you think about it is pretty detailed and a smart play.
    That element was missing from the scab crews because they didn’t have any data on them.
    The officials got a 4% raise.

  83. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit I’ve met Matt on several occassions.
    He come’s out to visit with us each time they play at the Meadowlands over the years.
    Even got some pics with him and Barrows from my ‘Boot The Suit’ protest a few years back.
    He met with us in Canton also.
    Very down to earth guy for sure.
    12th, that’s an important job in my life, teaching my kids about the PROPER Football Team to follow!
    My kids all came home from the hospital after birth wearing 9er gear and so have the Grand Kids so far.
    A grand tradition for us.
    My Boys have learned well.
    See what happens when the Girls get into the mix.
    I’ll have Son-In-Laws to deal with then.

  84. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    You WANT ME on that 9er Wall!

  85. robNo Gravatar says:


    “The NFL settled with the Refs.
    Regular refs will work tomorrow night’s game.”


  86. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Frank Gore needs 801 yards to become the 49ers all time leading rusher.

  87. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    About 3 weeks ago I heard one reporter say the major sticking point in the NFL/ref negotiations was the NFL wanted to be able to replace bad refs. Looks like that was true and the NFL got that provision. In reading the PFT article regarding this issue it looks like he NFL got what they wanted but at a higher cost then anticipated.

  88. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    He’ll never get those 801 yards. The league has figured out that they can beat the Niners by stopping Frank Gore.

  89. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Good stuff, NJ. Funny thing is I met Mike Singletary (among others) at the 1998 Pro Bowl. Had about 8 beers with Chris Berman. Told Joe Theisman to break a leg. Highlight of that trip.

  90. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s revisit something from yesterday….. for everyone’s benefit. Unca and Skeebers don’t think Mike Singletary had anything to do with the Vikings beating the 49ers. He, as they contend, didn’t have anything to do with the game plan, and furthermore, the game plan had nothing to do with stopping Gore and making Alex Smith beat the Vikings.
    And to all of this yesterday’s garbage laid out by Skeebers and backed up by Uncatard, I say….

  91. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Actually, Albert, neither I nor Unca made any such claim. It was your claim that Singletary created the game plan that drove us all to laughter.

  92. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    You could claim you were just shooting from the hip, Albert, but Unca owns the rights to hip shooting, so you’d be guilty of stealing his stuff. Not sure you want to go there.

  93. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Whatever, Skeebers. You’ll do anything to defend your butt buddy, Alex Smith.

  94. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Raiduhs just signed Andre Carter
    to add to their long list of ex Niners.

  95. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Brandon Jacobs is back at practice. Maybe that will take the spotlight off Alex Smith’s suckitude last week.

  96. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky, it’s true he didn’t have a great game last week but the same can be said for most of the team. He had shown improvement up until last week and we will learn more this week if it was a bump in the road or not. If Alex has a couple more games like last week and we lose, then I think they will really look at the options we have at QB. One uninspiring game isn’t gonna mean squat, 3 maybe.

  97. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Qb can makeup for a lot of the team’s overall deficiencies if the qb is good. When the qb stinks, the entire team better always play great. That’s a tip of the hat to Harbaugh from me that the team always plays great and picks up for Smith’s horrific throws, holding the ball too long, and inability to throw deep. Harbaugh’s clearly a great coach, but at some point you have to get more out of the qb position than Smith is giving Harbaugh. When do you change the qb? The sooner the better.

  98. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I agree there is an element of “papering over the cracks” but the basic fact remains Smith has produced over an extended period of time adequate play from this system with this team. It feels to me like Smith deserves more benefit of the doubt than one so-so game.

  99. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    If only it were one uninspiring game. Seven years of uninspiring games comes closer to the reality.
    Nevermind that Alex’s apologists jump at every good play and positive comment to promote Alex’s “now obvious” brilliant skills. He’s a lower tier guy. Totally dependent on the quarterback-friendly plays put in, normally the stuff used for rookies getting their feet wet in the pros, the other phases of the 49ers game and lady luck to have a “good game.” Do any of his apologists actually watch him play?
    The Minnesota game was apparently meant to be Alex proving himself to be more than a game manager. Easier to pass on than run on, the game featured twice the number of passes than runs. Also a good time to validate bringing in the new receiving corps. Whoops! Alex isn’t ready yet. Another few years maybe.
    I know, I know, it wasn’t Alex. It was, of course, everyone else had a bad game, too. Alex is fine. Only one uninspiring game.

  100. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Or as Mike Nolan once infamously accused, it must be Ann Killion’s fault!

  101. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I rate Smith as an average QB working on becoming a good one NF, prior to last season I had him as a bust. I am not a big fan of his but recognize the Niners have won a lot of games in just over a year, some because of him and some in spite of him. They created a safe system for him and by and large he has done well in it. Last week not so much, 3 weeks of similar play will find me looking at the next guy on the roster too. One week of poor play by him and the rest of the team smacks of a knee jerk reaction.

  102. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I say again, if only it were one week.
    Comment was #100, must be right.

  103. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A QB can’t win by himself. Apparently some here feel that is true, only with Alex Smith. Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc have coaches who run systems that use the strength of their QB. Alex is supposed to do it by himself? This loss was good for the haters so they could get to do a little squaking again.

  104. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Eric Branch, aka, Smith supporter, tries to make the case:

  105. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Alex had a bad game after going 13-3 and 2-0. He set the franchise record for not throwing an int, his QB rating is still above 100, he had an historic double comeback victory in the play-offs, even though the haters said he couldn’t win a play-off game nor beat Brees in a shoot out, and still one bad game and the haters are empowered. This is good stuff. It is predictable, but good stuff.

  106. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    “A qb can’t win by himself,” …. or the opposite…. Smith has been giving everything. ALL… ALL the Alexuses are gone and he still stinks and he’s still losing to teams like the Vikings. Sure, it’s a team game but if you put Aaron Rogers on this team, we win the Super Bowl. And yeah, the 49ers and Smith did just beat Aaron, but compare teams. Alex Smith has a far, far superior team and Alex still loses to the Vikings. The Vikings? Come on, man. I look for teams to take away the run every week. Alex is inconsistent. When he’s off, stuff the run.

  107. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Nobody ever said Alex was supposed to win by himself. When the players around Alex blow it or don’t have their best game, everyone, including the so-called haters, have plenty to say about their sub-par performance. Only when the criticism is leveled at Alex do the apologists object to the criticism.
    Alex has been a major part in all the stinky losses, you do the math.
    Seems to me your last sentence is more telling about how you see our wins and losses. Namely, how it affects your staked out position on Alex.

  108. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Look at Andrew Luck. He has thrown 18 balls down field this year. Under Harbaugh, at Stanford, he rarely threw deep. The only knock on him was he doesn’t throw deep. If you want to what is similar between Andrew Luck and Alex Smith, they have/had the same system/coach. Remember, it is Ann Killion’s fault!

  109. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The reason we lost is because The Vikes ate up the clock and never allowed us to get into a rhythm. It usually how we win. It is the formula for beating any good QB. I give the Vikes a lot credit for being able to pull it off. Alex could have hit some of the big plays to help out. I don’t know if it would have made a difference, but who knows, maybe it would have. Wins and losses are decided by teams. Every now and then an individual performance can spark a team, but even that player can’t win by himself. Except if you read unca’s account of me winning the Nevada-Cal game by myself!

  110. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s not compare Andrew Luck to Alex Smith…. ever. Andrew Luck CAN THROW DEEP, ALEX SMITH CANNOT…. unless you’re counting deep into the stands, or deep over the receiver’s head.

  111. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Lot of pent up Alex hatred boiling over here after more than a year of being dead wrong in public, crow eating, egg on the face wrong. You guys should send Alex a thank you card for finally having an off game so you can purge yourselves.

  112. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t remember eating crow. I remember Smith losing with by far the best team in the NFL last year. That’s what we’re talking about right now…. Smith couldn’t overcome in the NFC Championship game, and he couldn’t overcome when Singletary took Gore away.

  113. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    I also remember Smith going to Miami, Harbaugh looking at Peyton Manning and John Beason tweeting – “You were almost out of a job after going 13-3.” LMAO. Funny stuff.

  114. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    These purges are ugly. We’ll need an industrial shop-vac to clean up the bile by the end of the day. Don’t hurt yourself, fellas.

  115. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Spitoon is a troll hater.
    Thanks for the confirmation.
    Based on your criteria they should be running Drew Bress out of New Orleans. He’s ranked 25th in the NFL now. Even Rodgers is ranked 16th.
    Spittle is just a cheap shot pile on opportunist.
    When the Niners are going good the hatin crowd just hides under their rocks.
    After a loss they are like roaches coming out to feast.

  116. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers talks like Alex Smith won the Super Bowl. He talks like Alex Smith is a top ten qb and that Smith will win the Super Bowl this year. But then again, Skeebers doesn’t know football. He’s playing dungeons and dragons right this minute online with a kid who was recently home schooled.

  117. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, would you think any less of me if I told you I used to play Dungeons and Dragons in my youth?
    It’s too bad I still don’t have my 20th level wizard. He could cast a spell and make Alex Smith disappear.

  118. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    No, no it wouldn’t because you’re up front about it. Skeebers hides his nerd dome and his passive aggressive ways make him a small man. You? Your an open book, and there’s strength in an open book.

  119. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Even with this headache you guys are cracking me up. Alex was a good QB last year. We had the best team in the league in my opinion. Other teams have surely done their homework. We will know everything we will need to about Alex soon enough. He definitely is the captain of his own ship…

  120. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    You guys seen the girl who sings the opening song for the Thursday night game on the NFL Network?
    She was Miss World 2000. I always go for the white meat at the Thanksgiving table. But if there’s some dark meat looking that tasty? Pass me the legs and thighs please.

  121. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger is threatening to quit our Yahoo! FF league if I don’t allow his totally one-sided trade of Owen Daniels for Marshawn Lynch to go through. I just remembered, I don’t even have that power (I should have) to VETO. The league votes on the trade. I hate democracy. I’m a goddamn fascist.
    And stop being a goddamn pussy about the whole thing. You’re worse than Alex Smith when it comes to throwing the deep ball. Pussy to the max.

  122. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I have 3 injured RBs and one on a bye. The guy I’m trading with just lost Aaron Hernandez. Lynch wouldn’t even start for me if my RBs were healthy. I’m trading a TE who will be starting the rest of the year for a RB who is going to be on my bench in a week or two. I’d rather not have to pick up a RB, I would need Owen Daniels more than Lynch if my RBs were healthy.

  123. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    You have three injured RBs? Boo-effing-hoo.

  124. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, I’d be willing to bet the Steamrollers wouldn’t roster Alex this year.
    Daniels for Lynch? What the hell is going on out there in your league anyway? 3QBs, 3TEs and 4Ks, too?

  125. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I have torn cartilage in my lt. knee and likely will need surgery. You don’t hear me crying. I’m doing what every other self-respecting man would do — doubling up on my pain meds and sucking down vodka as if Ireland was about to run out of potatoes.

  126. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Reggie Bush got me 47 points 2 weeks ago and 7 last week in less than a half, before the injury. CJ Spiller got me 37 points 2 weeks ago and 17 this week in one quarter, before the injury. Those two are scoring machines. I won’t need Lynch when those two get back next week. I’ve also got Fred Jackson and Donald Brown on my bench, but Jackson is hurt too and Brown has a bye. Lynch would be replacing Brown and be my 4th RB. I thought I was set at RB but they all got hurt. I find a guy who is decimated at TE and make a trade. All was good until the drunk commissioner decided he wants Lynch instead because he is 0-3. Vodka and commissioners are bad combos.

  127. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- Do you have an 8-track or cassete cartridge in your knee?

  128. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    What? Nobody showed up for the draft except you?
    Hey, I’m not blaming you for the trade, good for you if you can pull that one off. I was just wondering who would trade Lynch away for Daniels. There’s bound to be equal or better TEs in FA unless you’re required to start three.

    The real refs making a big difference in watchability tonight.

  129. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m watching Stanford vs Washington.

  130. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Daniels is getting over 10 points per game. That is pretty good for a TE. The guy I’m trading with hasn’t even started Lynch this year and just lost Aaron Hernandez. He tried to pick somebody up this week who gave a dismal point total this week. He already replaced him with another but wasn’t happy with his selection. I’ve got what he wants, he’s got what I want. Lynch won’t even start for me in 1 to 2 weeks. Our league gets a point for a catch. Pass catching RBs are valuable. Bush and Spiller will start when healthy.

  131. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Pretty good in a standard scoring league, but PPR?
    Don’t have a Rudolph or a Pitta in the FA?

  132. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    He picked up Rudolph. He has 4 outstanding RBs and wants a TE. We only start 2 RBs. Rudolph had about 12 points going into the 49er game, about 30 now after a big game, Daniels has over 35. I would not make the trade if I couldn’t use Lynch this week. Daniels comes up with some big games for fantasy. I have plenty of RBs when healthy. My trading partner has many healthy RBs now. Having Rudolph and Daniels sets him up for the season at TE, he is already set at RB.

  133. winderNo Gravatar says:

    NF – Loli did draft Alex for one of my insider teams as a 3rd stringer but I dumped him for somebody already.
    It would not break my heart to see Cappy take over if Alex can’t get the passing game going. It is a what have you done for me lately league

  134. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Hey, how about that Zito?

  135. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Okay, you’ve convinced me Berger. I don’t think you’re trying to rob the guy.
    Hernandez should return soon and Winslow just quit. I hope he didn’t have to dump him.
    Hey Winder, I guess you would have won a brewski on that one. I’ll set you up at the next fantasy all stars reunion.

  136. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Glad the zebra’s are back, big difference.

  137. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Down goes Stanford. Looks like Oregon is my new favorite team.

  138. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    winder- Zito doesn’t looked baked anymore!

  139. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Final thought. Lynch has only 45 points this season for a RB. Not so good. Bush had 47 in one game for me. Spiller had 37 in one game. Lynch is not that great for fantasy. Owen Daniels has 35 points for a TE, not bad. I would rather have Daniels. Unfortunately, I’m desperate for a RB.

  140. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, Final thought. Even my pretended gullibility has its limits.
    Lynch has at least 100 to 125 points advantage for the season over Daniels.
    At least try to keep your argument within reason.

  141. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Scoring RBs are easier to find than scoring TEs. I’ve got 3 higher scoring RBs already but can’t play them due to injuries. If my RBs somehow get healthy for this Sunday I’m calling off the trade mysaelf.

  142. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17