Well, that was embarrassing. For the first time in Jim Harbaugh’s tenure as 49er Head Coach, the team did not show up ready to play and were dominated the entire game by the lowly Minnesota Vikings. This game will either be a wake up call or the day we found out the team isn’t as good as it thinks it is. Or as good as we thought they were.

You name it, it stunk. The defense played its worst game in two years. The offense and the play calling were unimaginative and ineffective. Alex Smith fired one pass after another over an open Randy Moss and finally ended all hope by firing one over Michael Crabtree’s head in the waning minutes of the game — leading to his first pick in 249 pass attempts, and followed later on by his first fumble since last Thanksgiving. Earlier in the game, Frank Gore lost his first fumble since the fifth game of last season. The only positive of the day was the punt and kick returning of Kyle Williams. The defense recorded zero sacks and the only thing the secondary covered was our eyes.

This is what I wrote in last Friday’s column: “the Vikes won’t get the ball into the end zone — and the 49ers will. Case closed.”

There’s two things wrong with it. I mixed up the teams. The 24-13 final score was about what most fans thought it would be — once again with the wrong teams listed next to the scores.

This game had the eery feel of the 1987 playoff game against the same Vikings, where the heavily favored Niners were toasted badly. Hopefully, this game will be to this team what the Philadelphia shellacking was to the 1994 team: a call to greatness.

For the nonce, our stay at the top of the NFL rankings will be a one and done deal. Atlanta, Arizona, and Houston are all unbeaten after three games, so take your pick which of them gets the dubious honor.

The replacement refs continued to outrage fans, coaches, and players for yet another week. They were awful in the 49er game, but had little to do with the outcome. You never know what they are going to flag and what they won’t or what rule they won’t have a clue about. I thought they would get better each week, but they do not appear to be doing so. We’re getting close to the point of somebody standing up in congress and starting an investigation.

The league looks a little weird right now. The Patriots, Broncos, Steelers, and Saints are all losers and the Packers could join them tonight. Yesterday, the winless Chiefs, Raiders, and Titans all knocked off a favored opponent.

Meanwhile, the great Randy Moss bench warmer topic gets more and more puzzling. Why did we sign this guy if we’re not going to play him? When he’s out there, CBs give him a ten yard cushion and he’s pretty much always open. Ditto for Mario Manningham. Kyle Williams has played more snaps than Moss. That’s just not right. This is not going to go well if it keeps up.

We definitely got the smirk wiped off our faces yesterday. Not fun. Not fun at all. Time to regroup and get back the intensity that has marked this team since Harbaugh took the reins. An intensity that was clearly MIA Sunday.

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  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    In hindsight it might be good that we lost. With the officiating debacle giving the Niners two challenges they didn;t have I would rather lose than have a tainted victory won on the ineptness of the scab officials.
    Because of what happened yesterday I am wary of the scab officials amking calls against the Niners going forward because of this incident.
    I believe in the integrity of the game and with these phony officials it has become a complete travesty.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I called this a trap game and you
    dismissed my comments Ponder putting up stats against mediocre teams and mo threat.
    You lose games in the NFL when you take any team for granted and don’t give your best effort.

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It’s good to see nobody is panicking except Stinky. It was a game that we just looked flat in every department. It happens in every sport, but in football we only get 16 games so it is more pronounced when it happens.
    We played the same defensive philosophy as we did with GB and Detroit except we did it out of our base defense. I would like to see more press coverage and maybe mix in some Tampa 2. It dares teams to throw deep. The good thing is you get the defense off the field faster, one way or another.

  4. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The only thing that panics Albert is reality.

  5. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The lowlight for me was towards the end of the game when they had to assist Patrick Willis off the field. My heart sank but according
    to Maiocco it’s nothing to be concerned about.
    Sopoanga also had an injury issue
    and he amkes a difference plugging the middle. The day after is when you find out how bad it really was.

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Raiduh fans have been known for their enthusiasm. That leads to a license to dress up for games as if it were Halloween every Sunday.
    The Hogs were a bad idea in DC and Skeletor and friends have become a cliche in the Black Hole.
    This story is damn funny only because these guys didn’t die or had life threatening injuries.
    Was their inspiration Jackass??

    What were they thinking? Oh yeah they were stinking drunk.

  7. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Who’s panicking? I’m just telling both Skeebers and Berger the reality of the situation as it’s been the entire time under Harbaugh. Alex Smith isn’t good enough to win a Super Bowl with. I’ve been saying it for seven years. Yesterday was clear-cut proof. Ponder beat Smith at the ground and pound game Smith was horrible. A few more games like that and Kaep will be the starter. Over the summer I predicted week 6. Smith looks to be on schedule.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    When we lost to the Bears in the 1985 regular season Bill Walsh blamed himself for the loss because of a bad game plan. It was after that he started going to the 3 step drop and quicker routes to beat the 46 defense. I know that because I read it in one of his books. You can blame Alex (which nobody is doing except Stinky), the lines or even Witner for dropping a pick 6, but the game plan stunk. It stunk on both sides of the ball but especially on the defensive side. Any team with a decent running game and a QB willing to take what we give them short will beat this game plan. Let’s hope these coaches are smart like Walsh and see that too.

  9. barleyfreakNo Gravatar says:

    Well I was sure wrong about Ponder. Hat tip where it is deserved. They played well. We didn’t. And so ends week (weak) three. I thought the niners should have used the run more in the first half. By the second we were already down 2 tds and not stopping much. It was an egg laying. Next week will be a better performance on both sides of the ball.

  10. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Whatever, Berger. It’s not the game plan. Look at how the Vikings are built. They are a ground and pound team with a front seven on defense that made it their mission in life to stop Gore and Hunter. Toby ran the clock out. The Vikings beat the 49ers because the Vikings stopped our run game and Ponder made more plays than Smith. It’s that simple. Ponder beat Smith. And if Ponder can beat Smith, anyone can…. especially anyone in the playoffs.

  11. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    It Was precisely the gameplan that was flawed.
    The Niners went away from what works for them.
    The Vikes did not stop Frank Gore, they just didn’t use him like they should have.
    5.3 yds a carry is not stopping anyone.
    Giving Gore only 12 carries was a gift to the Vikes.

  12. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, old Toby really ran out the clock. 8 carries for 18 yards and 2 lost fumbles. Like I said, Albert only fears reality.

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I have been saying this all season. Unless it’s 3rd and 1 putting Tukuafu at FB is simply not working. In Bruce Miller you have a decent FB that is quicker and more versatile and a threat to
    do more than block by being a legit receiver. Roman/Harbaugh are getting too cute with their jumbo packages because they are too predictable.
    Shelve Tukuafu as a blocker for now because it severly limits the

  14. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinkblood- Now you’re giving Ponder props. You told me he wouldn’t get drafted in the 1st round, then after he was you told me he would fail. When does he start failing?

  15. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Revis has a torn ACL, out for the year. How timely.
    Moss played only 7 snaps in 2nd half when we were in comeback mode. What gives?

  16. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    When Stinky starts touting you, it’s the kiss of death.

  17. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    One thing I’ve never heard anybody talk about. Jasper Brinkly. Minnesota’s MLB. One thing I noticed about that guy since last year is he is one heck of a run stopping MLB. He reminds me of Hacksaw Reynolds, great vs the run but a liabilty vs the pass.

  18. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, that is part of the bad offensive game plan. Every team has played Moss 10 yards off. Why not hit him for 5 yards at a time until they shut that play off, and then go deep?

  19. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, nothing worse than a liar. Nothing.

  20. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Sometimes I get the feeling that the local media is doing their best trying to get a negative reaction by asking Moss the obvious question which he has no control of. Moss should just shut it down and stop talking to reporters. He’s doing OK so far by just saying nest question.
    Just like Dennis O’Donnell did by pestering Singletary with the question that he answered 15 times earler in the day.
    O’Donnell got the negative response he was lkooking for that made him famous.

  21. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Tonight as Niner fans we should all be rooting for Rodgers and the Pack.
    I can’t bring myself to root for Petey and the Seahags and they should lose as our division rival.
    Eagles are the most overrated team as they could easily be 0-3
    and you can only tightrope it for so long. The NFC East is more of the same.
    Interesting game next weekend.
    Aints have to travel to Lambeau to play the Pack. 0-4?

  22. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- Are you saying there is nothing worse than you?

  23. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Berger – do you deny the holocaust?

  24. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, the point I made about Ponder is his stats were made against poor defenses. He had a good game against the Niners but do you think that game was our D playing to it’s usual standards? I expected Niner D and it simply wasn’t so Ponder had a feast at their expense.
    If you are looking for a medal the ceremony will be December 2012 right after the world ends.
    P.S. I won’t be playing the game of checking your every statement and prognostication after the fact because I have a life and don’t much care what you have to say. Since my every word has such great import to you feel free to post my prior posts or cross examine my every word for the incorrect results, Nostradamus has the same cross to bear.

  25. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You really don’t like it when people disagree with you and have a hard time handling it.
    How do things function in your world? I made a comment and you can reply to it because it’s your opinion. I in turn reply to what you said and it’s off limits?
    You need to get off your high horse. Ponder had a huge part in beating the Niners yesterday which is a simple fact so give credit when it is due.
    There is no asterisk next to team stats that says this team had an off week.

  26. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Reading comprehension is still not your strong point Bullit.

    “Ponder had a feast at their expense.”

    ” feel free to post my prior posts or cross examine my every word for the incorrect results”

    Nothing is off limits, it’s just juvenile.

  27. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I picked the Niners to draft Ponder in Chuck’s fantasy draft. I thought he would go low 1st and the Niners could trade up with the Pats for one of their two picks.
    He wound up going 7th overall. The Niners would have had to have given up Aldon and more just to have a chance to get him.

    As far as the game, fergeddaboutit. Stuff happens in the NFL. Go to NY. Revis is out for the year, and Sanchez SUCKS.
    Rush hell out of him.
    Have a field day.

  28. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    12th man, trust me. The Bullit / Unca retard show is just that…. a retard show. You don’t want to get sucked into it. Unca does the same thing with Flying V, NoFear and I was subject to it but learned to mentally torture him. All he does is surf the internet, look for articles, post links and pick fights. The only true value Unca has is in the torture. If you torture him and his gay twin cousin, Bullit, by resorting to name calling (always recommended at any age), his gasket will burst and his head will spin off and explode while he collect his workman’s comp. In short… he’s just not worth the response. Now Berger… he’s insane, but he’s fun. His trolling is really fantastic.

  29. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s a little home truth for you Bullit. You are a blog bully. You make an argument and if it’s not holding up you expand it until you feel it does and by the time you are done it has little to nothing to do with whatever you started with.

    You use google as a way of trying to make your case for you and since most everyone else doesn’t care to the degree you do you feel that’s a win.

    You use posting bloggers history and throw that into others faces even using it as a “threat” which is laughable.

    You keep trying to engage me in a battle of wits which is unfortunate since you are unarmed.

    You chose to play stupid and obvious games on another blog and still are as though it somehow convinces anyone of it’s authenticity.

    The reason you feel the need to jab at me constantly is because you have not been able to bully me into submission and it irks you.

    You have lost your cool several times resorting to name calling, something you had prided yourself on not doing, which shows your level of frustration.

    Now you offer me your psychobabble as to what I can handle. I have disagreements with various characters and it’s no big deal, it’s a blog, but for you it’s personal, somehow it becomes some kind of challenge.

    If posting with me is so painful to you don’t, or better yet dial back the personal invective and we go back to simply airing views. Either way it’s all the same to me.

  30. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky I have read your stuff for years in different blogs under different names. You are a funny guy, half the time you try to make a serious point and half the time you are just yanking chains.

    Chuck and Bullit are not the same kind of guys though, one is anal retentive to the max and the other shoots from the lip. You do have Chucks and Bullits number though, for whatever reason you can goad them into a rant which is pretty funny.

    I like odd personalities on a blog, it makes it more fun as long as it doesn’t get out of hand like at the Gate. In my opinion NoFear has some good stuff and some crazy stuff, much like you do but it beats all agreeing all the time. Bullit is looking to pick a fight and that gets boring after a while. He makes some good points but it gets lost in his agenda somewhat.

  31. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    12th – Chuck and Bullit are definitely the same guy. You and Skeebers might be the same guy, or you may just be friends like you were introduced. But I’m watching you…. punk…. I’m watching you.

  32. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    We are all Spartacus.
    Except for me. I’m just some old grumpy SOB.

  33. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Do you like movies about gladiators, Bullit? Of course you do…. guys on pain meds on workman’s comp got nothin’ better to do.

  34. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- Thanks for the compliment, I think?
    Insane, maybe. In college my nickname was Animal because I was physical and tenacious. I got picked for teams more for people not wanting to play against me than my ability. Although I was probably the best shooter in the school, including our BB team. In soccer I was the leading scorer on every team I ever played on, including indoor adult league here in Reno. Problem in high school was I knocked a player out of the game, almost every game. I wasn’t dirty, just physical. I never once had a yellow card, but most of the people that guarded me got a yellow card. Nobody ever scored on me except Jimmy Asmus, the former Philly punter. I pushed all over the place and it never phased him. He was a great player.

  35. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Not as much as you like movies about wilderness raft trips and making men squeal like pigs.
    Isn’t that why you hang out in the woods?

  36. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky is working the crowd.

  37. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wow, trolling for friends in blogland. Pretty hopeless, Stinkfist.

  38. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Soccer? Hahahahahahahahaha! I knew there was something seriously off about you, Bergs.

  39. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky, if Bullit and Chucl are the same guy it’s a textbook case of Schizophrenia since no sane person can personify 2 such distinct characters within the same skull.

    I will take the Skeebs thing as a compliment but keep your eye on me just the same, you never know.

    Berger played left back in soccer, left back in the locker room cause he sucks. Thank you very much, I will be here all week.

  40. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    With keen insight like Ponder didn’t face the 49er D playing to their usual high standards?
    Vikings kicked our ass. Accept that and stop making lame excuses.
    Nothing like having a nutcase like yourself calling others schizo. Look in the mirror and try not to get too scared.

  41. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit you seriously need to up your game. I could offer a critique of Alex Smith and watch you run around in circles for a while but who cares..

  42. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Napalm is gone. The Colts just signed him off our practice squad to replace Austin Collie.

  43. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Go ahead. I’ve seen what you’ve posted on Smith. It’s the usual
    he’s a hero until he screws up and then he’s a goat. You have no spine to give informed opinions.
    You are always trying to play both sides.

  44. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    12th, Fistie is just whining because his blog flew like a lead balloon. If you take out his own posts, he got 4 hits in 6 months.
    Bullitt, you sound like Singletary when you say you are glad we lost. There were terrible calls (and non-calls) all over the field. The Vikes were the recipients of about 5 favorable calls. 3 of them being on the same drive. The 2 unnecessary roughness calls and the holding call near the goal line. DBs can hit WRs inside 5 yards of the LOS. Plus, their TE pushed off Bowman (I think), right in front of the ref, and caught the TD pass. J Smith was held repeatedly and nothing was called.
    Plus someone needs to tell these refs that you cannot block illegally when you are KICKING the goddamned ball. 2 in a row for opening KO. Duh. They talked for 5 minutes, and figured it out. Brilliant. Also, you cannot run out of bounds for 25 yards and then come back onto the field of play as their gunner did. Of course the Niners were called for unnecessary roughness on the play.

  45. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Why don’t you answer my question on what you meant that the true 49er D didn’t show up? Was somebody missing? No, all 11 starters were there.
    Ponder carved the Niner D up 3 times with 80 plus yard drives bleeding over 21 mins off the clock.
    You need to respect that.
    It’s so much easier to do it in one play and go 60 yards on a busted coverage.

  46. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Rudolph the TE pushed off on Whitner. Not Whiner’s finest game dropping a sure pick six.
    I would rather lose the game than be given it by scab officials because they blew it with multiple gaffes about the rules.
    If we won the Super Bowl with that win fsactored in it would just taint the win and tarnish the trophy.
    I’m with you on the scab officials sucking.
    What I don’t get is Spittle saying you and I are the same person.
    That’s almost as funny as when they cast Jim Brown in “The Dirty Dozen” to go behind enemy lines and blend in with the Nazis.

  47. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Oh lord, Bullit, ok here it is for the umpteenth time on Alex Smith ready?
    Last year he just about became an average QB, this year with more time in camp and more confidence he has become a decent QB WITHIN THE SCHEME THEY PLAY. See the distinction? I.E., if we put Alex on another squad he will fail badly, got it?
    Alex deserves praise for running the offense he has been given to run, he does a decent job of it and ON THIS TEAM, WITH THIS SCHEME he has a chance to win a SB. Outside of those qualifiers he is no great shakes, somewhere around average.
    Is that clear enough for you?

    Your question about Ponder was answered, for a reason I am unable to fathom you aren’t capable of understanding the answer. Which is no surprise to me actually.

  48. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    12th man – look above. Bullit, 1:40, Chuck 1:41, Bullit 1:44. It’s a retard show, I tell ya… a retard show. I don’t even read the guy.
    Berger – I played football and soccer. They always wanted me to be a midfielder in soccer, but I always wondered my way into the center striker position, then never got back to play defense. Smart coaches just gave in and made me a center forward. Dumb coaches kept me at midfield. In high school I played football – safety and offensive line. I was a good safety, but I was totally clueless as a lineman. As a lineman you gotta know all the plays. I was the guy asking the linemen next to me what to do. As a safety I just hit people and asked what the play was later. I was a dumb version of Taylor Mays…. lol. And that’s sayin’ something.

  49. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    So schizophrenia it is then Stinky, easiest way to make friends too.

  50. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky, were you a small O lineman or a giant safety?

  51. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    We had a small O line, Bobb McKittrick would have been proud. Solari still emails me about joining the 49ers. His only concern is that I might bring a TO-like approach to the line, with half the preparation. I really don’t know why Solari is stioll recruiting me. I was an average sized safety – about 190 pounds in high school. I was good in run support, but we had amazing linebackers, so most of the time I was just cleanin’ guys up who wouldn’t go down. THAT… was fun.

  52. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Well you are a Diva so I don’t understand the Solari interest either, but I hear your girlfriend TO is available for lunch any day you choose, in fact Chad wants to know where the love is.

    Playing at Ronnie Lott on the defenseless, ah those were the days, before the NFL turned it into flag football.

  53. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Well I sure hope we don’t lose anymore games this year. It makes people on this blog a little nuts. Yesterdays game kinda reminded me of 2007, totally unwatchable.
    It’s probably more from my expectations than anytbing else though. Kinda sucks to find out we can stink it up on a given Sunday. We were outcoached and it will be interesting to see our game plan next week.

  54. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I guessed 11-5 Winder and expected to see 2-1 at this point in the season although hoping to be 3-0. Of course I had different wins and losses in mind. Still the Niners would have to lose a few in a row like that for me to doubt the basic philosophy. This team still looks like a winner to me at the moment.

  55. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    We can lose to the Giants, Seahawks, Patriots, Rams and Cardinals. There’s no way we’ll lose to the Jets or Bills. Jeff Fisher is turning around the Rams faster than Unca’s head spins when the orderly brings by the medication. But I have the game plan for the Rams – triple team Danny Amendola. Pete Carroll knows you have to make Smith beat you. If teams start focusing completely on the run and Vernon Davis routes underneath, our offense could be in trouble.

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- I was the center forward until they put me at center fullback. I still was the team’s leading scorer. I’d go play up and have to run my ass back to play defense. I could never practice hard enough to prepare for all the running I had to do in games. I used to run bleachers and wind sprints alone. It still didn’t seem like enough.
    How’s this for backward. You were a 190lb safety, I was a 170lb DT! Obviously I was a one gapping DT.

  57. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t see the Rams just yet Stinky.

  58. winderNo Gravatar says:

    12th, I guess 10-6 but my thoughts were leaning more toward 11-5. And, I would probably put more money on the latter. I think both Seattle and AZ has built their teams in the likeness of ours and it seems to be paying off. They are both relying on defense to win. It would not surprise me to lose a game to both of them and if we played like yesterday we would lose both games to each. They have Kolb and a rookie QB at the helm. So, we should have the advantage with Alex.

  59. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Soccer takes tremendous cardiovascular conditioning, those guys run for a solid 90 mins, sure it’s a girls sport but it’s a fit girls sport.

  60. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, I had a loss to Hawks and Zona too, with the same idea that they have strong D which may be enough to overwhelm our O in their stadiums. Zona are playing tough and the chickens are always tough in their nest.

  61. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    12th – I bet you were saying the same thing about the Vikings and Ponder. It’s all about how the team is built and how the team defends our offense. The Rams could take away Gore.

  62. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Spittle is trying to lure you into the woods and teach you some hog calls.

  63. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Berger – Soccer is a great game. Terrible spectator sport, though, if you ask me. I coached some youth soccer in my twenties, and it was a kick. That was before the gods introduced me to fire water – actually, I had been introduced but my full indoctrination hadn’t been complete yet. The best part about playing soccer is messing with people. You can’t mess with people in football as much. In soccer, you can get someone off their game pretty easily. It doesn’t work that way in football. The worst part about soccer is the guys who fake it for fouls. I can’t stand that. The closest football ever came to that was when the Giants all faked injures a few years ago to stop the clock and Roger had to “look into it.” I hate that shit. Compete and be a man. Some soccer players suffer from vaginitis.

  64. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Your assessment of Alex Smith is just a bunch of jibberish.
    Any OC worth his salt will tailor
    his offense to maximize his QB’s strengths. Also you are hypothetically guessing how Smith would fare on another team. That is an unknown because it hasn’t happened. Your generalities go from average QB to decent QB. Way to stick your neck out by saying nothing.

  65. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit – Your car sucks.

  66. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Pete Carroll knows how to beat the Niners? He’s got that down
    to perfection losing to them twice last year.
    Keep thinking I’m Chuck while in your crackhouse. 12th and his little friends think I’m Red Dog
    and Chuck accused me of being Skeebers.
    Seems like everyone wants to be me.

  67. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- I messed with most all my opponents. I would get in front of them, take a long stride and they would endo over my heel. I had opponents jumping on my back and trying to punch me. I usually was able to not only take them out of their game but most got yellow cards and some got ejected. My team mate got so mad at the guy that jumped on my back while I was down he nailed him with a full on shoulder block. The idiot went flying in the air. I asked my team mate why he did that, he said I don’t know. We look around and the idiot is having an epileptic seizure. The game got cancelled at half time.

  68. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Will Goodell have the cajones to discipline his beloved Jets?

  69. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, what was the reason Alex got no decent offers when a free agent for an extended period of time? Because he was and is a system QB, it takes specific personnel and scheme for him to produce at a high level, which until Sunday, when the whole team fell flat, he was doing.
    Fortunately for Alex and the Niners they have a strong running game which allows for areas of QB weakness to be less important.
    In your world you believe him to be a great QB good for you. My analysis is not only fair but is the general consensus.
    Something we can agree on is that gibberish is something you are an expert on.

  70. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    “12th and his little friends think I’m Red Dog” Bullit you are exhibiting a very fragile psyche. The use of the word “little” is very telling, something you have used a couple of times.
    Do yourself a favor and pick a fight with someone else.

  71. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    This coming from the chikin littl
    who has to badmouth me on a blog that I do not post on. Who’s picking a fight? It’s called an opinion and has to do with your mind.

  72. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I’ve uncovered rare footage of your soccer playing days.
    Spitoon is # 15 in red.

  73. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Nothing like an ugly loss to bring out the good times around here. I need some popcorn.

  74. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I didn’t pick it you did playing infantile games. Grow up. It didn’t fool anyone and isn’t going to by you going to the same playbook of misspelling your own alter egos name.

    It was probably the easiest call of any of the many fake names used by people such as yourself who need that kind of help.

    It didn’t work, salvage your dignity and let it pass into history, “methinks the lady doth protest too much” fits you like a glove.

  75. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You keep talking about general consensus. Are we talking about you and your little friends again here? Then you categorically state you think your analysis is fair and are we supposed to laugh
    cuz you said so?
    Unlike 12th man Bullit is not a fake name.

  76. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Holy shit. I wonder if any small children ever went missing in this river.

  77. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Tweet from Moss:
    “The York family is the bomb an will have a special place in my tht family inspires me to wanna do more then I already do!!#respect.”
    Doesn’t sound like a guy who’s unhappy being a Niner.

  78. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    There’s that “little” phrase again, psyche 101 stuff. Something you should attend to for peace of mind.
    General consensus means most football talking heads and prognosticators. Guys like Greg Cosell, the guy who studies the most film in NFL circles. People who know the game, that sort of thing.
    You are supposed to do whatever takes your fancy Bullit, a terrible mind is a thing to waste.

  79. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky, yer mom wears army boots.
    Funny to see the foot on the other hand with these arguments.
    Criminy, “in the post-bounty NFL” the thought refs will start throwing flags for intent to talk about injuring opponents.

  80. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Moss isn’t doing it for the money
    cuz he’s not getting paid all that much.
    Florio is already on PFT saying it’s only a matter of time before Moss quits.
    There are a lot of ahole reporters like Cohn, Kawakami and Ratto that will bait Moss into exploding.
    This week we’re playing the J-E-S-T so he’ll have to contend with the NY media.

  81. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, sounds like Moss is having a good time in Ohio.

  82. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    12th – why do you keep feeding the Unca / Bullit retard show? It’s seriously a sad and pathetic show. Don’t feed the animals.
    Let’s talk Packers and Seattle. I’m thinkin’ T Williams and Woodson will bait and pick Wilson a few times. But I’m also thinking Lynch will take “beast mode,” to a whole ‘nother level tonight.
    I’m thinking this game is closer than some might think. I have an idea…. I’ll find the line and we can all wager nothing but our egos and our integrity.

  83. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Seattle +3.5, over / under 44.5.
    I’m picking Seattle to the under. Two team parlay, forget the juice.

  84. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll take that one, Al. The Pack on the over for me.
    I’ll put up my Nate Davis brand Tinker Toys.

  85. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I’m thinking Seattle straight up no spread. They have a solid back 4 and the rest of the D is no slouch either. I will take the over.

  86. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yer wrong on both counts, Stinkfinger. GB and the over. Something around 30-17 GB.
    You act like the reporters determine Moss’s season Bullit. His playing time is reaching the point where it WILL matter to him. His effort isn’t stellar all the time but Christ, he gets a 12 yard cushion from most teams. they should exploit that.

  87. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Unca: Have you even thought about playing in oncoming traffic? It would be a humanitarian effort if you did. They may even give you the Noble Peace Price on one condition – it has to be posthumously.

  88. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Seahags and over. GB is in for a fight.

  89. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky- Is the Noble Peace Prize the same as the Nobel Peace Prize or did you come up with something new?

  90. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    The Noble peace prize is only given to those with an honorific.

  91. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    This kid Wilson has some moves.

  92. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Spitty, those Tinker Toys come with an instruction manual.
    It reads from right to left and has lots of pictures.

  93. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah RT the under is looking pretty good right now, maybe the second half blows up.

  94. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    8 sacks in the first half, GB really needs a running game.

  95. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Seattle’s defense is really young too. They will be tough for quite sometime.I don’t think Alex will be able to avoid that kind of pass rush.

  96. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I just realized that I put my prediction on today’s game in 10 minutes after it started. I wish they would let you do that in Reno.
    Anyway, it really doesn’t matter since I picked the over. It’s kinda weird over here Monday Night football starts at 3:oo in the afternoon. I forget that all the time.

  97. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Run game is a big equalizer, hopefully.

  98. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m taking the under!

  99. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    What’s going to get worse with the Rent-A-Refs is their collective inability to keep order.
    Players are already testing the limits of touchy-feely and soon will test chop blocks and worse.
    The hit that Goldson got flagged on is a pillow fight compared to the shot DHB took in the Oakland endzone.
    Kid was out cold before he hit the turf.
    Getting a fine later in the week is great for NFL Charities but does nothing to prevent the next Jack Tatum cheapshot to the head of a knee getting turned inside out.
    As Belichick overheated last night, so too will players, from being held and poked and kicked until a melee ensues.
    Someone is sure to get suspended or seriously hurt from a cheap shot brought on by sheer frustration caused by amateur wannbe officials.

  100. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I can see a Soccer Riot scene erupting in the right matchup. With a Division opponent or a Playoff slot up for grabs and a missed call turning around a game being the catalyst.
    That crew changed the entire game last night with phantom calls.
    Official standing in the endzone for the DHB play didn’t even pull out the laundry.

  101. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I have to agree NJ, the tension and gamesmanship is building week by week, who knows where the boiling point is reached. Way past time to settle this nonsense.

  102. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Cheapshots will cost someone a shot at the prize or end a career 12th.
    Hardly worth a labor dispute in a game that’s rolling in money.
    This League gets it all back from people like us anyway.
    PSLs and ownership greed will price us out of the parking lots eventually but, TV and Marketing revenue will continue to earn plenty of profits for guys at the top.

  103. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I will be in attendance for the 9er game this weekend.
    You can bet your backside I’m going to follow the ‘BS’ chant started in Baltimore last nite if this crap officiating continues to disrupt and alter the outcome of good football production.
    These clowns are making home field an even bigger advantage as a simple mode of self preservation.

  104. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Good thing for those greedy owners or there would be no NFL.

  105. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    It’s disgusting how little money is at stake considering the gross revenue. Owners want to break the union. I’m not a huge fan of unions where power has gone too far but I don’t see that the refs are killing the league like the auto unions were for instance.
    I don’t place any blame on the replacements, they are doing a job they have little qualification for. Under the circumstances it could be worse. At least they have been mostly evenly inept with what looks like a slight home team bias, understandable given the gravity of the situation and a huge audience booing their every move. Tough spot for them.

  106. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    it takes all the pieces Berger, owners, players, refs, audience and on down the line. The NFL has grown to this size and popularity based on the collaborative effort and the owners are benefiting the most, which is only fair since they have all the risk, but fair is fair.

  107. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    These refs are absolutely horrific. They are giving this game to Seattle. Rice grabbed the DB’s facemask as he kept him from picking off the ball, and he gets the PI call. Wilson gets tackled 1/2 a step after throwing a pass, and that’s roughing, negating the pick.
    Hey Stinky, go play on your blog. Oh. that’s right, it died a sad lonely death. Much like the rest of your life.

  108. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Now that was PI not called.

  109. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    There you go, NJ.

  110. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Unreal ending

  111. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Jennings caught the ball. What a joke.

  112. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Worst call yet

  113. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I think the owners are going to atart putting heat on the NFL.

  114. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    There’s your game-deciding shit call.

  115. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The Pack refused to come on the field for the extra point.
    Good for them. Did you see the push-off by Tate? Wait till something like that happens in the playoffs.

  116. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I think Jennings picked that ball, but the ref was probably worried for his safety in the parking lot. Bad call. That should make most here happy.

  117. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky called, Seattle and the under.

  118. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Too bad the olds rfs are being so greedy. They have a great deal on the table right now.

  119. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    aw ferchissakes! Goodell better get off his power trip deal now or rename this freakin’ league.
    Maybe an organized fan protest is in order. I guess it still makes a passable excuse to drink some beers but the outbursts of laughing and the wailing sort of kill that, too.

  120. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    This game swings the pendulum in favor of the refs IMO.

  121. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I get making a mistake in real time, but how on earth does he see it the same way after video review?

  122. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Aaron Rodgers had a streak of 35 games throwing a TD. That streak is over.

  123. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I feel like I just watched the Steeler vs Seahawks Super Bowl again except the Seahawks won this time.

  124. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Idiots in zebra fur are still idiots. I place the blame on the bigger idiot that hired the idiots to replace the regular imbeciles. At least they had a passing acquaintance with the rule book.
    What? The officials contract coming due was a surprise to that fat head?

  125. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Jerry Jones is the richest, most powerful owner, and he’s been the one leading the charge.
    Like I need another reason to hate the Cowboys.

  126. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    RT, go to, trust me its awesome.

  127. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I read that on Yahoo, 12th. Funnier than hell.
    I’ll skip going to the site thank you!

  128. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Lol, Jerruh must be fuming.

  129. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Or maybe not

  130. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    As a lifelong hater of all things Cowboys, that is priceless.

  131. barleyfreakNo Gravatar says:

    Unfrackingbelievable. Guck Foodell. That is one inferior product that f*ck is putting on the field. They are out of their element by a country mile. What is it going to take? What leverage does this idiot think he has? Dennis talked about people still lining up to watch. And watch I will. Every single Niner game.
    But I have a sh*tty taste from that piece of a game and right now I ‘m not sure I’ll go too far out of my way to watch this train wreck.
    What an epic a**.

  132. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Did not see the play yet but I can only imagine.
    These guys are clueless scabs with little or no experience at officiating a game of this speed and magnitude.
    Until there are enough pissed off sponsors and owners this stalemate will continue.
    Berger a deal could likely have been worked out without a lockout.
    These League Suits figured it would be no big deal to flex muscle and cover the flaws with posers.
    After all, any clown can wear a striped shirt and blow a whistle.
    Why not hire Zippy the Chimp?
    Wait for someone to lose their playing career over this labor dispute while the clowns continue to entertain us with their phantom officiating.
    What’s that TV commercial from Allstate Insurance? Mayhem Guy. Picture the Caddy driving thru the neighborhood landscape being chased by the angry mob.
    That is where this garbage is headed.

  133. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, watch for the two refs to run up to the scene of the crime and look at each other…then
    One signals TD. The other signals TO (for touchback).
    If it were the Niners I’d be freaking. Good thing it’s the Pack.

  134. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe a nutcase like Bart Scott will take exception to being blocked by Vernon on Sunday? Perhaps he decides to buckle his knee for example?
    What’s a little laundry on the Field gonna do? Or a fine after the fact?
    The integrity of play is already suffering and vigilante justice is the next plausible step.
    Refs might not see it?
    Could change the game?
    There’s no control right now.
    These guys are there for a temporary paycheck.
    Looking after multi-million dollar athletes.
    Goodell and The Suits in NYC are playing hardball over a clink in the coffers IMO.

  135. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    RT I just don’t get it?
    What’s to gain here? Bargaining leverage?
    From what I understand, this negotiation potentially impacts each Team by less than $100K.

  136. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Shit just got real.
    NFL players can have NO confidence in these refs now. It’s every man for themselves out there, with all manner of bad that implies.

  137. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Protect the Shield Roger?
    Market your Brand Jerruh?
    The integrity of the game is at stake and you’re gonna squabble over a few beans?

  138. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe Jerruh can get his ‘Boys to the show afterall?
    How tough can it be?
    Plant your own insurgents where you need them.
    Give them a striped shirt, an official NFL Cap and whistle and, fill their locker with a few bags of cash?

  139. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, that call was an epic fail, its probably on youtube by now. One of the worst calls of all time and that’s with the benefit of replay. A complete and utter disgrace!

  140. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    The real refs just gained a lot of leverage. The real refs can now ask for more, and I think they should. The owners are a joke. Steve Young said it the best – until ratings drop and fans don’t buy tickets, the owners can do whatever they want. Now, I think we’ll see a change. The owners are sitting in their sky boxes, sipping wine and laughing. Right now they’re saying, “Even after this the fans will still watch because we have the players.” But at some point, the fans won’t watch anymore. We haven’t reached that point, but if I’m the refs I have my spokesperson make a one word statement to the media that reads…”HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.”
    What gets lost in all of this is that the Seahawks are for real, and they aren’t even the first place team in our division. Russel Wilson is already better than Alex Smith, and guess what? Russell Wilson can protect the football and call audibles. Seattle’s D might be BETTER than the 49ers’ D with Bruce Irvin. This division is for real, and Harbaugh can’t afford the luxury of a “game manager,” anymore. If Harbaugh wants to win Super Bowls, he needs to change the qb.

  141. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The refs handed Rodgers a K ball
    used for kicking on their 2 point conversion

  142. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    DCs can’t gameplan for Russell Wilson yet because there is hardly any film of him as the Seahag QB.
    After tonight they’ll have 3 games to map out his tendencies.
    They ahouls look at most of the second half where the Packers shut the Seahag offense.

  143. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    In case some of you don’t know Goodell works for and does the bidding of the owners. Harbaugh has to get Jed to complain and the teams that lost yesterday
    have some unhappy owners. If I were the Viking owner I’s be pissed because of what happened yesterday.

  144. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Think Alex Smith is going to get away from Bruce Irvin and Chris Clemons? Think again. Alex Smith couldn’t avoid a glacier. (That’s a good one, I like that). How fast do glaciers move? Like a foot a year? Well if Seattle had two glaciers as defensive ends, they’d sack Alex Smith twenty times in one game. But Seattle has two volcanoes in Clemons and Irvin. Smith has his hands full with glaciers, but volcanoes? That’s the “inconvenient truth” of this blog. Alex Smith takes a million sacks a year because he’s not athletic. And in addition, he still can’t throw the deep ball, or a pass past twenty yards. Can David Akres kick 80 yard field goals? This division just got a lot tougher…. the division is not a foregone conclusion. Unca – talk to the hand.

  145. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky, Arizona and Seahawks are solid teams and at home even more so and as you said before the Rams are up and coming. Niners are in a real division race without a doubt, but should still win it.

    In a perverse way its like watching a train wreck in slow motion seeing these games unfold. Owners will put a brave face on it but they will get a deal done now they have yet another PR black eye and this one is a shiner.

  146. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You said the same thing before the Aints game. How’d that turn out?

  147. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    What happened to the Seahag pass rush in the second half?
    THey got credited for one sack which was Rodgers trying to run for a first down.

  148. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    12th it just illustrates the obvious.
    Instant replay = Man behind curtain.
    Man behind Curtain and the Wizard of Oz.
    Follow the yellow brick road…..

  149. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Wait until Sunday in the Meadowlands.
    Right across the river from Manhattan.
    NFL League offices, millionaires, like the NYG Mara’s and NYJ Johnson’s.
    We’re screwed if we don’t bust this game open and run away early.
    The term ‘Homer’ is no longer a nickname or empty moniker.
    He wears officiating attire and has authority to change the outcome of games.
    Be afraid……be VERY afraid.

  150. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just checked your link NoFear49er.
    The frame by frame option clearly showed the DB making contact with the ball 1st and having control to the ground.
    Back official had it right until Homer arrived and signaled TD from an angle unknown before he enters the frame.
    Kicker is, who is relaying the ‘Under Hood’ confirmation from upstairs?
    Complete and utter joke.

  151. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The retired ref on ESPN said that “possession” is not overturnable. It has to be called correctly on the field.

  152. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    The question for me RT is the back ref signaling touch back when the pile landed at his feet?
    Where did the second ref come from?
    DB had that ball at the highest point and appeared to control it to the ground?
    Where Tate landed was under the DB?
    One ref signals TB the other TD?
    What’s to overturn?
    Who made that determination?
    You had 2 clowns calling different outcomes? Same play?
    Who casts the deciding vote?
    It got called under the hood then?
    Isn’t the League Official working the Replay?
    Total embarrassment.

  153. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Seems to me there’s a ref named Homer out there at every game.
    They caught one in NOLA the other day.
    Saints fan about to be given a days pay to officiate for his beloved Saints.
    Integrity of the game my A$$.

  154. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’d like to get on the Field Sunday and help our 9ers out.
    Who do I have to call I wonder?

  155. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I have experience, I’ve watched a TON of NFL games and actually called balls and strikes for my Boys when they played LL in the 80’s.
    Where do I sign up?

  156. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    In answer to your questions, NJ, the ref is supposed to confer with the judges and make the determination.
    In theory. As far as what happened, your guess is as good as mine.

  157. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    There will be at least one opening this week, a line judge will be fired, or lynched. The ref on the field reviewed it and said the play stands.

  158. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    WOW RT.
    Heckuva way to protect your Shield there Roger.
    Bozo The Clown on Line 1.
    Something about his game check?

  159. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    That presupposes that they all know the rules in the first place.

  160. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    12th the link NoFear49er put up is USA Today.
    They have a frame by frame string.
    Ref in back seen waving it off.
    Ref from front comes in and signals TD?
    Who was actually 1st?
    Didn’t have benefit of the full screen TV account yet.

  161. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    they were almost simultaneous but back judge by a hair

  162. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    RT the general assumption on that call is who controlled it 1st?
    Seems pretty clear the DB was there at the highest point and even landed with the ball on his chest.
    Tate got in late and landed beneath the DB?
    Visual evidence, slow-mo, HDTV review capabilities with multiple angles and…they still jack up the call?
    Vegas should be ashamed to take action on these games until some integrity is restored.

  163. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Curious how the Scabs are getting to and from their game assignments?
    Fans bring them in from the tailgates ya think?
    Or does the League provide Clown Limos?

  164. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If Seattle makes the playoffs by one game, the season is tainted. If they go on to win the SB because of the gift, the season is beyond tainted. If Green Bay fails to make the playoffs by one game, the season is tainted. These are the scenarios the NFL is betting its integrity against them happening. It will be a topic of discussion each and every week, right up to the final week of the season. The NFL can’t escape the impact of this goof up. Unless they overturn the decision.

  165. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The gambling industry is probably getting close to putting out a contract on Goodell.

  166. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    It is actually a curse to win a game that you know in your heart
    you stole. Rather fitting for a Pete Carroll Seahag team and how he celebrated at the end.
    Also a joke that donut burglar Golden Tate when asked if he pushed off on the play answered with “I don’t know what you talking about”.

  167. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Packers played into the Seahag’s hands with their gameplan and blocking scheme in the first half which allowed for the 8 sacks.
    Too many double move plays called where Rodgers would have to hold onto the ball past 3 seconds.
    That and a less than stellar effort by the Packer Oline.
    No doubt noise was a fac tor and at least we get the Seahags at home in a few weeks.

  168. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Any time the world gives Pete “Snake Oil” Carroll a break, you have to question the existence of God.

  169. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The play was botched. It was a Packer int. IMO, here is how it happened.
    The refs were out of position. By the time they got in proper position to make the call most of the wrestling was over. Also by that time it was still Packer ball but a closer call. The retired ref on ESPN said possession can’t be reversed on replay(this one does not make sense to me).
    The call was blown mostly by the refs being no where near the play and then making the wrong call when they got there. It reminds me of how the 49ers used to continually get screwed by Jerry Markbreit in the 80’s.

  170. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I wish I could find a part time job that pays 189,000 per year and throws 23,000 into my pension. This is not good enough for the regular refs so we have to live with the calls we are getting. So be it. It is like having a 49er game officiated by Jerry Markbreit each week.

  171. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    In watching a lot of games this week, most of these replacements do a credible job. There are 2 or 3 bad crews. Unfortunately for the NFL they got put on prime time two weeks in a row.

  172. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    When the old refs do come back, this is what they will hear all year long: “You’re no better than the scabs!”

  173. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Green Bay is probably wishing there was a morning after pill.

  174. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We got the crew that reffed the debacle last week. They were bad but they didn’t cost us the game.

  175. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    That’s why I’m glad the officials
    giving Harbaugh the time out back and 2 extra challenges didn’t screw Minn out of that game.
    I love to win and losing sucks.
    However also haven’t played 2 sports where you self officiate
    tennis and golf it teaches you
    honor and integrity.
    In tennis you can call every ball on the line out and there’s nothing your opponent can do about it except not ever play with you again. However knowing that you cheated to win is a very hollow victory.
    Same with golf where you are expected to self penalize yourself
    for things that you actually do and also intent. I’m just not into hollow victories where I know the opponent got screwed.

  176. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You’ve hit the nail on the head when you noted the officials were out of position. Not sure what the guy was doing frozen at the pylon while this play unfolded.
    Took him 2 seconds to take a look.
    I noted a few weeks ago how these
    scab officials were reluctant to get into a pile to find the ball.
    They lose control when they let
    10 other players jump into the scrum.
    Im suprised that Coach Petey didn’t dive into the pile and come out with the ball fist pumping.

  177. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    On Sunday Night’s Pats/Raven;s game the officials awarded 9 first downs by penalty.
    They probably mistook John Harbaugh for Jim and thought this guy coaches everywhere.

  178. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here are tweets from the Niners on the outcome of last nights game.
    Missing is Frank Gore’s who i saw said something to the effect who is worse? the director of the anti-Muslim video or Goodell? Gore said Goodell. Ouch!

  179. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs was also correct with his obsevation earlier.
    Nobody likes to talk about it but this might be what really stirs the drink. $250 mil on just one game?
    Sportsbooks can’t factor officiating incompetence into their lines as it’s too random.

  180. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Peolpe are acting like the old refs never cost a team a game with a blown call. Right off the top of my head I can think of 4 49er games, 5 if you count the snow ball game, that the refs cost us. I just thought of another.

  181. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    That happened a while back before replay. Supposedly replay should clean a lot of the controversy up
    except for judgement calls.
    I just don’t care for the chaos and lack of control. When there is a pile everyone is now jumping in just to outnumber the opponents and try to steal one.
    The key word is steal.

  182. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The reason I am talking about the greedy refs is because all I’m hearing is how greedy the owners are. The owners didn’t make their money to be ale to buy a team by letting people strong arm them. Both the owners and refs are being greedy. I wish I had a part time job making 189,000 per year.

  183. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Eric Davis raised a very key point in what Green Bay did wrong.
    The Packer player was too focused on making the INT and getting that stat. He should’ve been more intent on ripping the ball and letting it hit the ground and the game would’ve been over. By trying to pick it he gave Seattle a chance and they took it. There is no reason to try to make the pick ftom a team perspective.
    Hope that the Niner DBs watch this and learn from this.

  184. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bulit- These refs are inexperienced. As time goes by they will get better. The old refs need to decide if they really want to work for only 189,000 dollars per year part time or if they need to hold out for more. What is different with this negotiation than others, nothing, except the public is watching the byproduct and bitching. I’m not rooting for either side. Either the league and refs will need to get something done soon or the replacements will need to get better soon. One of these things will happen.

  185. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Your premise is flawed because of the scope of the satge and what’s at stake. These officials have to do their jobs before 65K fans and millions on TV.
    Your assertion is like they’re
    working the checkout line at Raley’s.
    Yep why should Jerry Jones give these guys an extra dime?
    I’ll shut up now…

  186. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullt- The 1st thing I thought last night was why did he try to intercept it. Players are tought in high school to knock it down. That can go either way as many tips are caught on the rebound but Jennings could have deflected it backwards out of the end zone. He had perfect position for that.

  187. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I guess 189,000 per year is not enough. Even with health insurance and pension for a part time job. If I was the NFL I would tell them if you want more you need to be full time. Isn’t that what fans and media have been asking for years. Why? Because officiating has always been critiized, always been viewed a sub-par. It is just worse now because these guys are new. It will get better. Either a new deal will get done or the new guys will improve.

  188. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Don’t know what you’ve been witnessing these past few weeks.
    It’s getting a lot worse and I have a bad feeling that it will take the Niners getting screwed for you to change your mind.
    The NFL is a huge PR machine but I will bet you that there is less than 10% that think the scab refs are competent.
    What you are missing is they didn’t get these refs from the Pac 12,Big 12 or the SEC. They went to Division 3 because even the NFL knows they can’t commit long term.
    I am sorry you would rather watch this crap than have Jed shell out
    $500K extra for the regular refs.
    The refs are employees of a very successful enterprise and deserve to also share part of the profit as they are an integral part.

  189. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Nothing like corporate welfare to give you the ol’ moral high ground, eh Reno?
    How much taxpayer money did Jerry get to build his new playpen which significantly increased his franchise value to $2.4 billion?
    A little more money, perhaps, then the entire salaries and benes for all the refs in the entire NFL?

  190. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Same with the Niners new stadium RT

  191. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    They haven’t gotten better yet, Bergs. If anything, they are getting flag-happy and much more reactionary. No other way to describe what happened last night. DHB gets absolutely decimated by a DB in the end zone right in front of an ‘official.’ No call. Alex Smith gets a forearm to the helmet. No call. Flacco loses part of his ear on a hit. Players are taking a lot more chances this season because they may get away with murder. Literally.
    The last Seattle drive saw 3 terrible penalties on GB. The roughing call on Wilson’s INT was horrible. Wilson was running, and he got tackled. The PI call 3 plays later was a horrible call. Rice was facemasking the DB. The last call was even more horrendous. ALL the games have at least 2-3 calls that are awful. A couple games were getting close to riots these last couple weeks. Something that has NEVER happened under the old refs. Say what you will about them, but they were in control on the field of play. Shit rarely escalates to scenes like the Monday Night Falcons game last weekend. Good, bad, or indifferent, they were consistent.
    Bergs, you bring up 4 or 5 games over the course of 35 years. They’ve f*cked up 5 or 6 games 3 weeks into this season. Really?

  192. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Goodell has the (sole) authority to overturn the decision and give the Pack the win they deserve.
    Any takers?

  193. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Nothing will be overturned based on the simple fact that bets have been paid out and how do you get $250M back to payoff the other guys? That’s half a billion.
    Skeebs might not be that far off that Goodell might get pressure from other folks this is effecting.

  194. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The ‘knock it down’ deal is different in a big crowd. Look at the Detroit game on Sunday. Didn’t work there. It doesn’t work a lot of the time.
    Word is 3 of these refs were fired from the Lingerie Football League for incompetence.
    The biggest lie is Goodie Goodell ‘protecting the integrity of the shield.’ All his player safety spiels are out the window with this lame-ass officiating.

  195. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    While everybody is bitching nobody is turning off the TV. Either refs want to work or they don’t. Either the league thinks they are being harmed or not. But the bitchers still watch. I see this as a typical labor dispute when uions are involved. Both sides have valid points. In the mean time I’m still watching football. It is what it is.

  196. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Advertisers will apply pressure and so will the networks. They pay huge sums of money and expect a certain standard of entertainment in return. There is no doubt, the product on the field is inferior. I don’t have a clue how things are contractually but they are not getting what they paid for.

  197. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Jerruh Jones quoted on PFT asked if he saw the play
    “No, I did not. I just read a little note in the paper that the Seahawks pulled it out,”
    I would love to read the paper that said the Seahawks pulled it out cause the editorial staff would be instantly fired for missing the major story.
    Jerruh, you’re full of it.

  198. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    What will change things is if the refs or players can create a link to player safety and the replacement refs. If more hits like the one on De-Hey-Bey continue to come, and players start pointing fingers at the replacement refs, the owners will cave. Why? Because the owners are scared shitless of lawsuits. Look at the Saints. Why did the NFL owners crack down on the Saints? Fear of lawsuits. Well, if the players and real refs can make the case that the replacement refs are jeopardizing the careers of the players, the owners will cave.
    On a separate note – I heard last night that the refs with the new deal will be making one third of one percent of the total NFL revenue. That’s ridiculous. The NFL owners gross 90 billion (with a b), per year and they want to jeopardize the integrity of the game by not offering more than one third of one percent? That’s greed, and really, the owners are due for a fall.

  199. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I think that’s 9 Billion Stinky, hardly pocket change and the split between players and owners is 50/50 more or less with the players half divided between 1700+ players and their admin staff and the 32 owners getting the rest less coaches and admin staff.

    I don’t think any of us know the full extent of the differences between Refs and Owners but we do know its an insignificant fraction of 9 Billion and that the refs won’t be getting rich on the extra amount paid, its an increase, not a doubling.

  200. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Another point RT brought up is valid, most teams have a new or newer stadium partly paid for by us, the tax payers, it’s not all ownership risk, it’s ours too but the return to us is repayment of the loans, maybe, and some short term jobs building/rebuilding stadiums. No new long term jobs are created unless a team moves to a new market. The return for them is more immense wealth.

  201. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    You’re right… it’s 9. That was a typo, or a brain fart. When you have dementia it’s hard to differentiatableationunaryable.

  202. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, Bergs. On the job training. It’s like jumping out of a plane with a pile of wood and trying to build a glider on the way down.
    The players are taking bigger risks out there because of the likelihood that they won’t get called for anything. After the fact fines don’t really hurt, so DHB gets blasted into oblivion. Shaub gets levelled (at least that got called) and loses a chunk of ear, and Wendler tries to take Alex Smith’s head off last week.
    If this happens to one of the ‘golden’ QBs (Peyton Manning or Tom Brady), THEN they will take this seriously. As it is, Goodie and the owners are playing roullette with player safety.

  203. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Anybody remember the blown call by Ed Hochuli that cost SD the first game of the year and eventually the play-offs. It was either last year or the year before. Even though not likely, it isn’t like last night’s call was not possible with the regular refs. Labor disputes are always aggravating. Both sides are being greedy, let them sort it out. If you don’t like it, don’t watch.

  204. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    How do you feel about the scab refs giving Jim Harbaugh 2 challenges and an extra timeout?
    Would you take the Sneaky Petey Carroll approach today and declare the officials got it right? Or would you accept the loss knowing that the btter team on the field that day won?

    Let me put a qualifier into this discussion. There are questionable calls (subject to
    judgement and room for discussion)
    and blatantly obvious calls (unless you have Johnny Cochran in your corner where if it doesn’t fit you must acquit) like yesterday.

  205. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, but Ed Hochuli made one mistake over the life of his career. The replacement refs are only in week 3. I wish I could just not watch. The NFL takes a twelve step program to get away from. The first step is admitting you’re an asshole. Not there yet.

  206. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah the Ed Hercules call was bad and game changing, something he copped to after the fact. These guys are making 10 times the mistakes of the regular mistake riddled guys.

    It needs fixing, period.

  207. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Hochuli’s call happened in 2008
    and he freely admitted to it and apologized.
    Last night’s ref enetered the witness protection program.
    One of the replacement officials
    is named Richard Simmons, I kid you not.

  208. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The 2nd step, stinky is realizing everyone else already knows that . . .

  209. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Sure the referees are being greedy, what’s new with unions anyway? And why not when you’re employed by the freaking NFL? Everyone else there is pretty greedy. I hear they have a few bucks around there anyway.
    They think the NFL is trying to screw them on their promised retirement by changing the rules now. They think the NFL is trying to screw them by hiring more officials to share in the same money pool. They think the NFL is trying to screw them by making them full timers without a pay increase. They think the NFL is trying to screw them by not giving them a decent pay increase over the next contract years. And this is the least of their problem points.
    Whatever. Why did Goodell lock them out? Strong arm tactics. Pure “it’s good to be king” power play.
    I don’t want to fly into the busiest airport in the world with inexperienced replacement air traffic controllers and I don’t want to see another game in the NFL with these kiddie league fools Goodell is trying to pass off as real officials.
    Goodell and the league are losing credibility with every game and not just with the fans. For what? A few lousy pieces of silver? The refs are not demanding a percentage of revenue, less work, more medical and fewer practices, although maybe that’s their problem.
    Stop the madness!

  210. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    When I lived in Phoenix I used to do a racing segment on the Mike Golic show every Friday. I even used to go to the radio station and sit in the show now and then.
    One day Mike interviewed Ed Hochuli. Right after the show I called Mike on the air. Everybody who was a regular to the show knew who I was. I asked Mike how come he didn’t ask Hochuli why he is such a Cowboy fan. I went on to say that any game he officiates is one sided if it has any affect on a Cowboys game.
    Mike said to me, Berger, you know Ed Hochuli is a well respected lawyer here in Phoenix, he is a well respected NFL ref and he is a regular listener to this show. He is listening right now. Are you saying he calls games according to how they affect the Cowboys? I said that is exactly what I am saying. Mike then said, yeah, it does seem that way.
    I’m glad Hochuli got to hear that. His reffing seemed to clean up after that. A fan saying something like that does not make much difference, Golic agreeing probably did.

  211. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    According to Gregg Easterbrook, this is the second time Carroll has been awarded an unearned victory by the refs. The first time was in 1998 when he was coaching the Pats.

  212. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I’m in agreement with what No Fear
    has posted (SHOCKER!!!)

    Competent officials do matter and to think otherwise means you are in complete denial.
    Promises made by rich guys should be kept especially when they are making money hand over fist.

  213. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Nice, NoFear.
    Bergs, no. What do you race? Wiener dogs? You have little to no relevance on how Ed Hochuli calls a game. Seriously? You really think he’s going to take that to heart? Criminy. Get over yourself, Mr. leading goal scorer in pee wee soccer. I bet you are the son of the most interesting man in the world. I’m president of the universe.

  214. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Remember 2003 when the NY Gnats got screwed and the Niners won the playoff game? Next day the NFL
    acknowledged the refs blew it and Coach Mariucci’s reaction “Bummer”
    Had forgotten about that one but Ratto will take you down memory lane and name a few other incidents.

  215. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    This ref controversy is making for some strange blog bedfellows.

  216. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- You slut! I said my comment didn’t make a difference, Golic agreeing might have. Since you are President of the universe can I get some free stuff. Doesn’t that follow suit with your beliefs?

  217. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Paul Ryan is speaking your language but his point of view is opposite.
    CINCINNATI — Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the Republican vice presidential nominee, became on Tuesday the latest politician to weigh in on the growing controversy over the issue of replacement referees in the NFL. And like virtually everyone else, including a surprising number of Republican lawmakers, he’s siding with the union on this one, albeit without formally endorsing its demands.

    In a campaign stop outside of Cincinnati on Tuesday, Ryan immediately voiced his displeasure over the football game the night before, in which his home-state Green Bay Packers lost the game on the last play via a botched call.

    “You guys watch that Packers game last night?” Ryan asked an audience inside the factory warehouse at Byer Steel. “I mean, give me a break! It is time to get the real refs. And you know what it reminds me of? President Obama and the economy. If you can’t get it right, it is time to get out.”

    Ryan, clearly aggrieved over last night’s football game — which ended with a Packers interception that was called, instead, a Seattle Seahawks touchdown — couldn’t let it go. Later in the speech, while assessing the state of the campaign, he lamented: “Unlike the Seattle Seahawks last night, we want to deserve this victory.”

    It wasn’t, necessarily, an expression of support for the union’s demands, which center primarily on stopping a freeze to its long-running pension plan and switching to a 401(k)-like retirement system. “I haven’t had that conversation with him,” Ryan’s spokesman Brendan Buck told The Huffington Post, when asked how Ryan felt about the dispute. Buck also said, “Like all football fans, he just wants the two sides to find a resolution soon – like before yesterday.”

    But Ryan’s comment was, at the very least, a nod to the idea that the union refs are better than the replacements. Another Republican straddling that line is Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who took to Twitter on Tuesday to yearn for the return of the striking referees.

    “After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful,” wrote the same governor who last year championed a law stripping away collective bargaining rights for most public-sector workers.

  218. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s all grab popcorn and watch how the Bullit / Unca retard show tries desperately to make itself relevant again. I like butter on my popcorn. The reminds me a of scene in the movie Diner. Anyone? Anyone? Where’s Del when you need him?

  219. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NF nails it.
    Berger IS the most interesting man in the world and stays thirsty all the time.

  220. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Per Matt Barrows the Niners just signed WR Ricardo Lockette (the rocket) to replace Napalm on the practice squad. He is an ex-Seahag.
    Baalke is into explosive players.
    Time to tap his knowledge of everthing Seahag for the game in a few weeks.

  221. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I was at that giants-niners playoff game with a friend of mine who was a giants fan. An absolutely electrifying game and almost record setting points comeback (second most for playoffs if I recall). Yes it was a bad call at the end of the game and my friend still to this day reminds me every time we play about it but nobody saw that call around where I was, not even my friend, only after when they put it on the jumbo. But what a game and no surprise they missed the call given what was going on in the Stick at that moment. Garcia almost made it into the upper echelon of niner lore with that effort.

  222. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- This is a labor dispute. I am not taking sides, I think they are both being greedy. The deal will work itself out when both sides agree on something. My point of view is the regular refs aren’t that great anyway. All this is funny to me. Complaining about the refs is a national past time and now people want them back. I’m the only one who is consistent, I complain about the old refs and the new refs. The other funny thing is why are the owners greedy but not the refs? No refs still means football, we are witnessing that now. No owners and there is no league, no football. I say it is what it is and let them come to an agreement on the two sides schedule. Me bitching isn’t changing a thing. And I still have the games on TV.

  223. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No Bergs, you are merely being stupid. EVERYONE acknowledges that the ‘regular’ refs ain’t perfect.
    Only you equate the 4 egregiously bad calls over the last 30 years of games with the ‘real’ refs to the 10-15 horrible calls in the first 3 weeks of scab-refs.
    Stinky, your feeble attempts at being noticed are just that. Feeble. At least Bergs shoots for the moon. “I played football for UNR and beat Cal singlehandedly! 11 on 1 and it wasn’t close!”

  224. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So you saw the game!

  225. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I just wonder how many more games will begin with a block in the back penalty on the kicking team this year.
    When the refs don’t even know the effing rules, that’s comedy.

  226. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    When this started weeks ago you took the side of the scab officials. Did you change your mind? You took the owner’s view that anyone could do this at the same competency level.
    Even earlier you said for the most part the scabs were alright.
    Did they do alright when the Niners played the Vikes? How about Sunday night?

  227. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You seem to be the only guy on this blog favoring the scabs.
    You are the Lone Ranger.
    Which reminds me of a story.
    The Lone Ranger and Tonto were pinned down surrounded by 40 Cheyenne warriors and soon to be overrun. The Lone Ranger says to Tonto the end is near for us old friend. Tonto replied What are you talking about Paleface? (rimshot)

  228. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I said fire the refs. I’ve always said that. They suck, they always have. They blew an entire Super Bowl, their biggest event. I’m not siding for the owners. I’m not siding for the refs. If the old refs aren’t happy with 189,000 per year, part time, for 6 months per year, it is hard to feel sorry for them. Either the new refs learn quickly or the old refs get this worked out. In the mean time, I’ll take what I can get and continue to watch the NFL. I’m not sure how cmplaining by me is going to solve this. It will get done when one side, or both, caves. Until then, let’s keep playing ball.

  229. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Complaining solves everything!
    Yeah, that Pittsburgh SB was a pisser. The old officials don’t know PI rules. They overprotect the QBs. But at least they know the EASY stuff. Like the 25 false start penalties they’ve missed. They’ve lost count of timeouts about 4 times. Or you can’t block in the back when you are the kicking team. If they were getting the easy shit right, I might get behind them a little more.
    The problem now is the randomness of the calls. The wimpy refs are swayed by coaches, players, and fans. They let players fight for fumbles for, oh, 15 minutes before deciding to do anythng. If that game yesterday was in GB, it would have been called an INT.

  230. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    There is no rapport between the replacement guys and the players.
    The old officials would warn players that they were borderline and to cut it out or they would be flagged next time they did the same thing. That cleaned it up a little and resulted in less penalties.
    Nobody expects perfection but I think we are expect consistency.
    Last night the guy that signaled TD had only officiated on the JC and high school level.
    If Josh Morgan was being thgreatened last week imagine what’s going with this guy’s life.

  231. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, Bergs, I was on cheapskate hill . . .

  232. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Both of you make good points. Especially the point that if in GB that would’ve been an int., but that doesn’t change the fact that nobody is turning off the games.

  233. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    I turnoff the games but one voice in my head is play by play and the other voice in my head is a color commentator, so whatever I do doesn’t matter. It’s like voting. I don’t vote anymore. Why bother? Game on, game off, I still hear voices… they all say, “Watch the game, eat a wheel of cheese and drinking 17 beers,” so I do…

  234. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    “Watch the game, eat a wheel of cheese and drinking 17 beers,” >>
    Tell that voice it needs to learn some damned grammar!

  235. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    The voice said to add “ing” because it’s more provocative. I just do what I’m told. Don’t shoot the messengering.

  236. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It’s boiling down to integrity Berger.
    A HOMER can literally pick up a scab game check and turn a game without repercussion.
    Whether it’s $190K/yr or $2000/game, the rules are the core of the game for officiating.
    Just like we saw last night, get the call wrong, game over.
    Rules don’t matter when there’s no option to mediate a proper solution.
    If your company decides to move the finish line 5yrs before you retire what do you do if there is no Union or option available to you for mediation?
    The days of trusting your Employer to look out for you are long gone.
    We’d all like to have a handshake deal for our entire careers but guess what?
    Not gonna happen.
    A funded Pension is a gift.
    The League now wants to change the rules and rescind it.
    A 401k is just like any other Wall St investment option, a number on a piece of paper that can evaporate at the closing bell tomorrow.

  237. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Pete Rose is banned for life as a result of integrity issues in Baseball.
    Show me the difference between his situation and a clown dressed as a scab referee in the NFL right now.
    Vegas should step up and stop making book.
    That will get plenty of attention.
    We all know the NFL and Vegas have nothing to do with one another anyway.
    It’s an integrity issue.
    Wink Wink Nod Nod……

  238. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, it’s the mechanism for resolving disputes that is missing. Binding arbitration is a great way to deal with problems but bosses rarely sign on for it believing they can get a better result themselves.
    Another issue has been rising for a while now and that is that Goodie is judge, jury and executioner. The aints deal is a prime example of concentrated power abused. There is literally no recourse for players who may or may not be guilty of something other than to litigate. It’s not in a players best interests to litigate since the 32 partners are hardly likely to hire a trouble maker.
    I know the players signed on for this deal but they are learning quickly just what it means.
    Fines are another bunch of bull. Handed out without any rhyme or reason and without clearly defined levels for offenses, 6k for an undershirt the wrong color?
    Repeat cheap shot offenders just pay more money, wheres the suspension for guys that don’t give a rats how much damage they do, guys like Harrison in Pittsburgh.

    The league has gotten out of whack under Goodie.

  239. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Blessed are the bliss. You are bliss. I will remain the ass hole that is not afraid to say it is always about the money.
    Trust me on this one, it has nothing to with integrity, it has to do with money, for both sides.
    Pete Rose is about the money too. When players bet on games, some will question if games are fixed. When that happens it is not a real sport anymore and people stop buying tickets and watching on TV, except a few, just like WWE. Pete Rose was an example to others about what happens if they gamble on baseball games. MLB needed to preserve their money.
    Just remember this when you start thinking it is about the integrity, that is only true when it coincides with the money. The unions want money, the owners want money, the players want money, the refs want money and we all complain about the cost of going to a game. It is always about the money.

  240. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    12th it’s a power play.
    Lawyer up and protect your assets.
    Ownership has the ‘League’ to do it’s business and Roger is the Rat.
    Most people understand the difference between good faith and empty promises.
    Lawyers are there to earn their keep and protect those interests.
    Any prosperous business requires good employees, Unions can get in the way of protecting lousy producers.
    I’m for doing what’s right for the integrity of the game until this is settled.
    This garbage is worthless.
    Stop play and force a settlement then.

  241. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Jim Rome said it the best: The owners know the fans’ tolerance and when the fans will walk away from the game. Right now, we are no where near. But the big issue is that the owners don’t care about the fans. Owners locked the players out and the refs. Common denominator? Owners. Greedy owners not recognizing they can easily be replaced. I’d root for the San Francisco Gold Panners in the NAFL (New American Football League). Patrick Willis would look good in that uni.

  242. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    No argument there Berger, money is always at the center of the debate.
    My point is how the League spins the PR machine and wants to protect ‘The Shield’.
    Players are at risk, the integrity of the game is a joke.
    Stop play, settle the money issues and get back to it.
    We all enjoy this game too much to see this sham going on.
    Money be damned when greed gets in the way of the product being sold.

  243. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Stinky I’m not so sure about the fans watching. Speaking for myself I will watch the Niners no doubt, but am seriously thinking about canning the Sunday and Monday night football games in protest. Now if only a few million more will join it might make a dent in it.

  244. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The fans have decided, so far, there is plenty of integrity. No one is turning off the TV. The fans are not affecting the money and consequently that means the refs are not affecting the money.
    I’ll guarantee that some potential sponsor is out there hoping one of their competitors gives up their spot over this so they can move in. The NFL is a cash cow, everybody wants to get in bed with them. A lot of fans are up in arms but the NFL knows the refs need them more than the refs need the NFL.

  245. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I said that wrong. I meant to say the NFL knows the refs need the NFL more than the NFL needs the refs.

  246. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Heck, some who usually don’t watch will probably tune in to see this ref thing everybody is talking about.

  247. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We understood Berger.
    Trust me, I’m psyched to see the 9ers on Sunday because I don’t have benefit of seeing them unless they get out here.
    My b!tch is, the dog and pony show going on with this ref charade.
    Labor disputes suck.
    It’s never pretty and normally only seen when a picket line develops.
    The NFL is an American Institution of sorts.
    You’d think ownership could’ve been smarter about taking these measures against an important, but minuscule, segment of it’s work force.

  248. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, Stinkle was on this rant before Harbaugh showed up. Boycott Jed because of the inferior product. The problem there is, for all the angst about how bad the team was or how bad the refs are, there are ALWAYS others that will fill the seats if people start bailing.
    Thingsa will have to get MUCH MUCH worse before it starts affecting attendance. Or TV viewership. That will not be the tipping point. Once star players start dropping due to the out-of-control refs, and more and more games are blown and it starts affecting playoff runs, then you have the owners coming out f the woodwork. The owners are not going to give a shit until their teams get burned. THEN it’ll become a big deal.

  249. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Figures you’d go with Jim Rome, Stinkle. A bigger media weenie there isn’t. Well, the Bayliss/SA Smith shit is enough to make me want to go deaf and blind.
    You need Rome to tell you that? Wake up, skippy.

  250. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well Chuck there’s not many more high profile Teams than GB.
    What most of us see is a nuisance factor right now.
    Most calls balance out.
    What is starting to escalate are the number of bad calls turning games on the national stage.
    Baltimore got some momentum going the other night with the ‘BS’ chant.
    It’s a start.
    We know it’s a game of who blinks first at the negotiating table.
    I’ve said it before too, wait for a star player to go down due to a malicious hit that occurs because a scab isn’t properly managing a game.
    Rule book is one thing, game management isn’t even in their repertoire yet.
    Every Coach, ours included, is influencing opinions at the kickoff.
    These guys are clueless and have no chance to succeed.
    Therefore, why waste the Season or, risk someones career, over a couple hundred thousand dollars?
    Think about Seattle winning the Division because of that flaky call last night.

  251. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Back to the Niners.
    Niners are 4.5 point favorites
    as a road team.
    The interesting line is that the Aints are 9 point underdogs at GB but then agin they are currently

  252. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    to finish it should read 0-3

  253. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just read a piece on CBS that reported a refund was made to bettors due to the lousy call.
    …Either way, decided to refund those who had bet on the Packers, saying it was the right thing to do.

  254. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s hope our week in Ohio has our guys time zone adjusted and ready to get this loss out of their minds Bullit.
    Jets are very beatable.
    I’m not too excited about the Revis factor after watching Alex stink up the Metrodome last week.
    Just want to see them focused and playing with some purpose.

  255. AlbertEinstinkleNo Gravatar says:

    Berger – BS. The fans have not decided there’s plenty of integrity. They’ve decided quite the opposite, and this blog is evidence. The fans are still watching because it’s a train wreck. There’s no integrity in a train wreck. There’s entertainment in a train wreck. Trouble is, and the owners know this – trouble is that after watching five train wrecks on YouTube, it loses it’s novelty and you turn to something else. Integrity is not what’s keeping me or 95% of the fans out there watching. If the owners keep it up long enough, people will tune out.

  256. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17