In the Interim

News out of camp last week was that Jim Tomsula is “not just a meathead D-line coach.”

This sounds suspiciously like:

“I am not a crook.”


“I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the 49ers’ new interim HC, anyway you look at it. But these are unusual times. The Niners are believed to be the first team in NFL history to have an interim HC for an entire season — assuming Tomsula makes it through the year.

It would be swell if we could give the Niners props for their innovative approach, but in truth, they had no choice. Nobody wanted to be the HC here. Following the immensely successful Jim Harbaugh was too daunting a challenge, perhaps, especially since success clearly has little value to the 49er FO.

Following Tomsula, though, should be a piece of cake. Anybody will look good in that comparison. 2016 should be a far better year to locate a real HC, not a temporary one. Admittedly, it would be a big help if Jed York’s ego were sufficiently sated by hosting the 50th Super Bowl to allow him to get the hell away from the building for a year or ten. If he’s still sitting in on job interviews come next January, though, it might be time to reluctantly add some interim silver and black to your fan costume wardrobe.

The Niners have already worked the black into the franchise uniforms. Most teams have some sort of throwback jerseys to play in a couple games each year. Showing that clueless ineptitude is back, the Niners have brought out throwup uniforms to play in. The only throwback involving the Niners is a return to the dismal teams prior to the Harbaugh era.

Don’t get me wrong. I have no problems with a few dingbats thinking Jed’s meddling is wonderful for the franchise. Every society needs a sprinkling of space balls roaming around to remind us all that sanity, although occasionally boring, and sometimes even depressing, is an infinitely superior disposition to mindless, dithering lunacy. But, in moments of politically incorrect temptation, there’s no denying these wiffle heads are gruesomely humorous.

We even have a token representative right here on the Outsider. But you’ll have to guess unca_chuck’s identity, because it would be irresponsible of me to divulge it.

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258 comments on “In the Interim
  1. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Quite the nut house you now run. Spitty and V posting 100,000 word screeds. Isn’t this why we bailed on the insider?

    We’ll get 2,500 more anti Jed posts? What if they win games?

    Answer this. Does this team have the same talent as the 2012 team?

  2. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    We’re doing a throwback blog this summer.

  3. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Waffles, did someone say waffles? Now I’m hungry.

  4. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Well duh…. “What if they win games?”

    In the red corner, fighting out of Sarasota Florida, weighing 74 pounds soaking wet, with a reach of 4 inches, the team of Winder, Chuck, NJ and Berger.

    In the blue corner, fighting out of Taos New Mexico, weighing in at 356 pounds, with a reach of 12 feet, the team of Skeebers, Spitblood, Phil, Bullit and NoFear.

    Gentlemen: Let’s have a good clean fight. No rabbit punches. Protect yourself at all times.

    The winner will be determined once the Tomsula era has enough games played to determine a body of work. Unless of course, a few games played tips the scales in an overwhelming way in one direction or another. And no, if the 49ers beat the miserable Vikings week one, it doesn’t constitute an overall win for the red corner (red like Communist Russia). However, the red corner, after a win against the Vikings will almost assuredly trumpet the occasion as proof Jed York is god and all who don’t follow are imbeciles. Like I said, protect yourself at all times and come out a swingin’.

  5. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, Nice try! I got to hand it to Skeebers even though he disagrees with me and others he doesn’t banned anyone for posting their views. This makes for a great debate and not a group of people sitting around a campfire, holding hands, singing Kumbaya while sharing a tub of popcorn. After all this is America and we are founded on the liberty of freedom of speech. I understand your kind would love to remove this completely from America so that you can hear what you want to hear and be with only people who just mindlessly agree with you. The problem you and your blind followers face is when you shut the door to reality and silence people who will not tolerate incompetence you become the reason why criminals are allowed to get away with their crimes.

    You’re very luck after all these years you were allowed to say all your mindless BS and believe things that weren’t true and defend people who were losers. You couldn’t decipher between wrong or right move even after Eddie left a diagram and sadly no one but me held you accountable at the end of the year and there were no consequences for your mindless beliefs. See when you silence people living in reality all you have left are people not there because of choice rather they’re being forced by you to agree or be removed. No one should be obligated to be anybody’s “puppet,” and especially having a tree trunk like you pulling their strings. Yes you have followers but sadly these are the same people who would get in the kool-aide line with you as well.

    Let’s keep it real sadly you left the Insider because you wanted to hear only what you wanted to hear and have only people in total agreement with you posting on your site. Your site has no group of people representing a diversity of opinion. What you now have is the current trend in public discourse where groups of people sit around agreeing with each other, chuckling, teeing up each other’s punch lines. Yes the one person who represents the true and correct side, call me the whipping boy are removed from the platform because you want to create a mutual admiration society, end of story.

  6. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Brevity is the nectar of the gods.

    Whatever you do sucks, Sir Shitsalot.

    Can any of you admit that this years team is not nearly as talented as the 2012 version?

    What do we glean from this fact? Gee . . . I don’t know. Let me try to connect some dots.

    Jed sucks! Yeah, that’s it. If you think Harbaugh takes this 2015 team to the big game you are as delusional as V and his escaped goats.

    I say we have a better shot with a different offense.
    I know. This is blasphemy to say things like this.

    Well, blow it out your ass.

  7. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Who in their right mind wants to debate with Chuck?

  8. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Notice the careful hedge by Chuck. Jed York and Trent Baalke are not just a huge reason why this roster isn’t as talented as the 2012 roster…. Jed York and Trent Baalke ARE THE ONLY reason this roster isn’t as talented. This roster almost sucks. The secondary sucks. The D line sucks. The offensive weapons suck. All of those issues are because Trent Baalke can’t draft. But Baalke sure can overpay for free agents like Gabbert, Stevie Johnson and Torrey Smith…. while letting Iupati walk out the front door without using the franchise tag.

    No use of the franchise tag, the acquisition of overpriced free agents, and a team that can’t draft is exactly why the this roster isn’t close to as good as the 2012 roster, and that’s Jed York and Trent Baalke’s fault. York could have dumped Baalke and found a real GM and appeased Harbaugh. Instead York dumped the best head coach since Walsh and kept a GM around who’s about as talented as Terry Donahue.

    So when the 49ers don’t go 8-8, it’s a victory for the blue corner because roster talent and coaching talent is all apart of the Jed York problem that Jed York created.

  9. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    don’t go 8-8*

  10. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Shit, now I’m correcting myself when I don’t need to be corrected. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  11. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Even Chuck’s Dog got three balls shoved in his mouth for barking inappropriately.

  12. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll defer to your expertise on balls in your mouth, spitty.

    No, Willis, Smith, and Borland retire whether St Jim stays or not. Cully and Cox leave regardless of the coaching change or not. Gore? Same deal. Crabs? Adios mofo.

    You’re of the mind that St Jim has majical healing powers as well?

  13. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Better the young stay rather than the old.

  14. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s see who gets the blame if Kaep can’t take the next step Spit.

    Baalke or Harbaugh?

    Your agenda to plunder Jed is obvious.

    Guess what?
    He ain’t gonna fire himself.

    Like you, it’s never his fault.

  15. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Walsh was all in for Rick Mirer and Gio Carmazzi.

    But, let’s Harp on AJJ.

    Even though Baalke found guys like Aldon, Bowman and Reid.

    Goldson for a King’s ransom or Whitner/Bethea?

    GMs whiff.

    Sometimes, the players can’t cut it too.

    Just a thought.

  16. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, you forgot Baakentom, our rookie wrecking ball.

  17. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NJ – What was Jed York’s track record when it came to supporting Alex Smith and creating a team of players and coaches who could support Smith? Did York do that pretty well, or did he suck at it?

    When the talking heads repeatedly say, “Alex Smith has had fourteen offensive coordinators in twelve years,” it’s designed to make an excuse for Smith’s poor play, but it’s also a shot at the owner for not creating a stable environment for the development of his most important player.

    And Jed York’s track record with QBs is terrible. Ergo, if Kaep sucks with Tomsula, after Kaep had success with Harbaugh, it’s on York.

  18. winderNo Gravatar says:

    This is gonna be a very interesting season. I believe true 49er fans don’t really care if they’re right or wrong as long as the team is winning. I know I don’t. As chuck mentioned the Insider earlier I found it easy not to read the posts that went on forever. The only reason I left the Insider was because they outlawed profanity.I thought it was great until then.Sometimes the only way to get your point across or say what you really mean is by the use of profanity. At least it is for people like me who’s vocabulary is sometime limited.

  19. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers – My bad… “And a late induction to the blue team, hailing out of Moosejaw, Saskatchewan. Weighing in at 231 pounds with a reach of 62 inches. A man who needs no introduction, the sensational… the super…. the sizzling….. BAKKENTOM!!!!!!”

  20. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, seriously?
    Who Drafted Alex?

    This League is about The QB.
    We were poached early and often with OCs while Alex was developing.

    Jed doesn’t Draft QBs anymore than Eddie did.

    Walsh hit the moon with Joe and Jerry.

    You avoid my point.
    Jed didn’t Draft Kaep.

    Who did?

    That’s your hedge.

  21. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t disagree with majority of you on this site regarding Jed.

    I question his decision making just as much.

    Then, I ask the question?
    WTF did Jed know about owning an NFL Franchise before Dr Daddy stepped aside?

    Given that dynamic, Dr vs Son, what exactly were you expecting?

    I could handle the PR better than he has.
    Most of us could.

    If you want to pile on Baalke, have at it.
    He’s come up in the bus.

    Yeh, he hung out with Uncle Eddie when there wasn’t a Salary Cap and, Rich Guys bought all the talent.

    Catch up with reality.

  22. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    It’s up to the owner in all situations to create a stable work environment for his or her employees. Period. That’s why York said the buck stops with him. “Blame it on me.” You and I both agree the qb is the most important position on the field. If the 49ers don’t win, and Kaep struggles, but he didn’t struggle under Harbaugh, it’s on Jed York.

  23. winderNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Reality means different things to different people. It’s kinda like the chicken or the egg.

  24. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Kappy didn’t struggle last year? Where were you, Shitsalot?? The entire offense was a cluster f*&^ of stalled drives and mistimed plays. Shitty blocking, and the usual slow-developing passes, and the 3rd down runs up the middle into 9 in the box.

  25. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Were you happy with the play calling, Spitty?

  26. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Shut up, Chuck.

  27. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Kaepernick would need to put up a Pro Bowl season for this team to do as well as 8 wins. I doubt that the New running back by committee will be as productive as Gore was, and without Justin, McDonald, Willis and last year’s starting CBs, it’s asking a Hell of a lot for another top ten defense, and that got us an 8-8 and a lousy T-shirt last year.

    I’m guessing the early over-under is about six. Kappy can bring that up with good play. He can also drag it down if he plays like he did last December. I’m buying stock in Jose Cuervo before the rush starts.

  28. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    “Jane, You Ignorant Slut.”

  29. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49ER, when Kaepernick fails again which is a guaranteed 100% certainty not only is the Owners, GM and Head Coach who brought him in responsible it’s fans who watched Montana stage-grabbing performances, how he did things with Character and Class then believed anyone could perform under those right circumstances. Fan’s mysteriously forgot how important his accuracy was, the use of his arm but mostly because of the thing that makes those other two things better, his footwork. Much like Alex Smith and the wasted years he brought us instead of you waking up to the fact that either your Quarterback can perform or not you made up a whole long laundry list of excuses why they couldn’t.

  30. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, you got me on my Warriors Joke! Now that the only team left besides them are the Cavaliers, GO WARRIORS!!!!

  31. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    In other words, you be sailing down de Nile spitty.

    All Jed all the time doesn’t address all the problems.

    Charlie Findley was one of the worst owners in history. Look at Jerry jerk off. They managed to get it right once in a while.

  32. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No V. It’s all your fault for not writing enough letters to the green.


  33. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, all you get from Unca_chuck’s Blog is mindless rhetoric and profanity that’s it. After the su*k, fu*k and we su*k again wore off all you had left was the slogan, “No Holds Barred” which was quickly diminished because it wasn’t true, lol!!!

  34. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Waaaah! Still a whining bitch after all these years.

    Isn’t grandma tired of you sponging off her SS checks?

  35. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy, I read recently the LV O/U is 8 wins with the under favored slightly. Naturally this changes as more information comes to light.

    So, all you 4’n12ers get your money down now and the same for all you ‘we’re better off now’ers.

    What, no faith in your own assessments?!?!

  36. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    It seems even Chuck is tired of the echo chamber he’s created.

  37. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Says the chicken. Bet me tbat Michigan wins the BCS bowl.

  38. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You and spitty are awfully full of yourselves. Awfully cozy as well.

    What say youNoFeE? You think this team has the talent of 2012?

  39. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    4-12 would be pretty bad, awful. Not expecting that but did get a good laff outta the Red Corner/Blue Corner schematic. We do have a deep bench. Tea leaves say NF more optimistic maybe more in my 7-9 territory?

    “This is gonna be a very interesting season. I believe true 49er fans don’t really care if they’re right or wrong as long as the team is winning.” Winder

    Yep winning cures all or most everything. I have a funny feeling it won’t cure our debating society tho.

  40. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Deep bench? Like when Jimi got here all the coaching talent flocked on board. Or the ’84 Niners. It was more than money, it was the chance to win. Coaches, players, fans, most owners, everybody wants a piece of that.

    We got old vets like Rex, Grumpy and new guys like Tom B. Berger blew it, yuk yuk.

  41. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, really?
    What owner Drafts the QB?

    Dan Snyder?


    If Jed goes Snyder, I’ll be 1st in line with torches & pitchfork at 4949.

    He worries me.
    But, I’m not in a position to oust him.
    Like You and the rest of us?

    We’re stuck.

  42. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    ReddingRex, did Alex have an arm or not?
    Kaep has an arm.
    Aaron has an arm.

    It’s what goes on between the ears, and the arm, that matters in the NFL.

    IF Kaep fails, I want to know why?


    It’s all about the agenda you’re selling here.

    I’m pulling for success.
    From all concerned.

    Some are simply loading up for failure.

  43. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, What is appalling is this.

    Every NFL team which does not *have* a franchise quarterback has their first priority of getting one. Even if you have to draft one every year until you find one.

    We blew it, for the most part, with Alex in 2005.

    There have been ten drafts since. TEN.

    How many times have we even TRIED to bring in a starting QB through the draft?


    That is sad. And lame. Sad and lame.

    McCloughan and Baalke did okay drafting linemen and LBs. But where are the skill position players? Where are the WRs we drafted? The RBs? The cornerbacks? And where the Hell is our franchise QB?

    This ain’t 1953. You cannot win by *only* winning on the line of scrimmage. You have to have some playmakers, too, and some guys who can try to stop the other guy’s playmakers.

    THAT is why we have failed, and why I think Baalke will end up being out of a job soon.

    But. It won’t make a damned bit of difference unless Jed hires someone who can do the job to replace him. If Jed is most comfortable hiring chumps and Yes Men – and I have to think Tomsula falls there until he shows otherwise – then we’re not going anywhere, for 20 or 30 YEARS or more, until Jed sells or dies.

    And people ask me why I’m depressed and drink on Sundays.

  44. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, it’s a simple choice for me.
    Jed or Trent?

    Rich kid Nephew of a successful Uncle.

    Protege of Parcells.
    Defense 1st.

    Win SBs.
    Like Uncle Eddie

    We’re dealingng with an evil we can’t fight Grump.

    I’m pulling for players & coaches to want IT more than I do.

    Politics in sports is like having wood at a sausage party.

    Where’s it gonna getcha?

    Kaep and the Offense need to score.
    Mangini and the Defense have to give up less.

    53 guys make a roster.
    They all need to WANT IT.

  45. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Eddie and a Salary Cap?

    Could he have adjusted?

    I think Eddie would still have managed to provide the perks that we’re customary under his reign.

    Jed doesn’t impress me as a Red Carpet Owner.

    Since I’m not traveling with the team, I can’t know.

    It still comes down to players and coaches.

    I’ll take a Parcells influenced Staff, long before I’ll consider Jed, as anything close to capable.

  46. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Nice ‘big picture’ look at what’s been missing since Walsh burned out as HC Grumpy. Eddies management style was a bit too much like a riverboat gambler, say what? I digress.

    Decline @ QB = Check

    Deline @ WR = Check

    Decline @ RB = Check

    Decline @ HC = Check

    Decline @ GM = Check

    Decline @ Owner = Check

    Piece by piece, year by year, player by player that’s a lot of declining and here we are. Does this mean we who point this out are rooting for failure? Or simply pointing out historical facts? The long term trend interrupted by a few years winning before buttwad couldn’t stand it and had to get rid of his annoying HC.

    Grumpy pass the bottle.

  47. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Grump it’s all about the QB.

    Alex might have been the choice to set us back 10 years.

    Until you find Brady or Luck, it’s a lark.

    RD1, RD3, RD6?
    The QB has it, or he doesn’t.

    In the meantime, 52 other guys fill out the roster.

    Find Joe.
    Find Brady.

    The other 52 is shooting fish in a barrel.

  48. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Jed or Trent is NOT the issue but flog away NJ. You love to bring up this red herring. York is here forever. The issue Grumpy raised is Trent Balkey or someone better? Like the Schnide at SEA who is clearly better. For example.

    Eddie blew it and lost the team forever. It’s depressing to see how the current ownership pissed away a great HC. Now we should have confidence they can build a decent winning team? With this GM?

    Blue corner sez “Show me on the field”. Until then given long track record skepticism is rational and warranted.

  49. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Phil it comes down to Coach/GM in this biz.

    I don’t flog at shit regarding the Jed factor.
    We’re stuck with him.

    How many GMs are roaming the streets?

    Coaches are a dime a dozen to owners in this racket.

    Jerruh and Snyder are the moron owners I’ve most been concerned about in this debate.

    No herring here Phil.
    Simple math.
    Owner, GM or Coach?

    Most plentiful supply?

  50. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Grigson in Indy?

    He lucked into Luck.
    He also Drafted Dorsett in RD1 after giving up a 1 for Trent Richardson.

    GMs don’t grow on trees in the NFL.
    College HCs?
    Hundreds to choose from.

    Do you honestly think someone in the NFL will outspend to bring Harbaugh back?

    College pays guys like Saban and Harbaugh.

  51. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    It would be very difficult to convince me that if Baalke wanted to keep Harbaugh, Harbaugh wouldn’t still be here, coaching another year for a contender.

    Coaches who can (and did) take you to the Super Bowl are fewer than few. We had one of them and screwed him out of the last year of his contract and showed him the door.

    Who’s responsible for that minor dip in the road?

    Anyone who’s heard or read anything about the team since can’t possibly believe, or say in good conscience, that it was all Jed and no Baalke. Besides, it’s Trent’s job to manage the team.

    MANAGE. To most that would include keeping a guy who took you to the Super Bowl instead of tossing that chance out the window.

    Jed doesn’t have a problem. He’ll still be the owner’s son whether the team goes to shit or not. Baalke’s the guy who should have fought to keep Harbaugh instead of sticking another knife in his back.

    He wanted life without Harbaugh and he got it. Now you, as fans, can pay for his self-indulgence over his team.

  52. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “It’s easier to get a suit than a good coach. You keep the coach”

    -John Madden Begs to differ NJ. Jed agrees with you = keep the GM. Which is the root of the problem and the root of the discussion. You have consistently supported keeping Balkey over Jimi. Many of us here are rightfully skeptical of our GM as well as nauseated with the Yorks.

    Spotlight on our one QB draft choice in 10 drafts AND on the guy who drafted how many QBs apart from Jimis choice?

    This season Balkeys ass is under a microscope. York may give him a year or two but few here are willing to.

    “Suits are easy to find” NJ

  53. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear49er THAT is the dynamic.
    In a nutshell.

    Trent and Jim could NOT coexist.

    Jed was expected to calm those waters?

    We’re all smarter than that.

    If GM/HC can’t see the road ahead, there’s little hope, for a novice like Jed, to provide any vision.

  54. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, c’mon Pal.

    Suits are easy to find according to Madden.

    He too came from Al Davis’ World of pre-Cap reality.

    Do you trust Jed to build our future?
    I’m not.

  55. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “….there’s little hope, for a novice like Jed, to provide any vision.”

    Jed foolishly decided to follow Pops and not Unca Eddie. Pops fired the winning coach Mooch. Eddie counseled caution, trying to work it out and keep HIS winning HC for 12 years.

    York kept his GM and started killing the golden goose 3 years into the 5 year contract. There was hope aplenty and a winning example to follow. York chose wrong and his choice is already harming us (see replacement coaching staff, no QBs drafted).

  56. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Week 1: vs. Minnesota Vikings – DRAW
    Week 2: @ Pittsburgh Steelers – LOSS
    Week 3: @ Arizona Cardinals – LOSS
    Week 4: vs. Green Bay Packers – LOSS
    Week 5: @ New York Giants – LOSS
    Week 6: vs. Baltimore Ravens – LOSS
    Week 7: vs. Seattle Seahawks – WIN
    Week 8: @ St. Louis Rams – LOSS
    Week 9: vs. Atlanta Falcons – WIN
    Week 10: BYE
    Week 11: @ Seattle Seahawks – LOSS
    Week 12: vs. Arizona Cardinals – WIN
    Week 13: @ Chicago Bears – LOSS
    Week 14: @ Cleveland Browns – WIN
    Week 15: vs. Cincinnati Bengals – WIN
    Week 16: @ Detroit Lions – LOSS
    Week 17: vs. St. Louis Rams – WIN

    6-9 or maybe 7-9

    I’d hate to say it especially because Seifert rolled out the red carpet for him to win a Super Bowl but among coaches over the last 15-20 years one of the best was Jimmy Johnson. He took no bullshit from his players and always got the maximum effort from them during every game. Like every great coach they first went out and assembled players in key positions to win it all. Bill Belichick is another and Carroll did a good job in Seattle. I know they don’t grow on trees but you can’t just take the easy path and think with time someone’s bound to show up. These hire anyone and cross your fingers moves like the 49ers did when they just gave the job to Tomsula is a sign of a leaderless organization. Winners never put a blind fold on and just pick a name out of a hat, there’s a strategy involved.

    I can’t wait for our owner who told everyone to hold him accountable, when he points his finger at Baalke or others when bad things happen. Like Unca_chuck Jed will start blaming everyone instead of pointing his finger at the real problem. The stadium deal needed two or three successful years and it was mission accomplished with Harbaugh, now that’s its complete anyone with a half a brain knows it’s back to business as usual. Sorry but like Eddie and Walsh when Carroll took over with the Seahawks he cleaned house, found his key to victory in QB Russell Wilson and they’ll be a contender for years to come. When winners want to win they do things right while building a dominant football team there’s no denying something great is happening. Sadly we haven’t experienced that since the departure of Eddie and never witnessed it once since the York’s hostile take over.

  57. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Phil I can’t fix this anymore than you can.

    We’re bashing each other over what could’ve/should’ve been done.

    Jed owns the team that Uncle Eddie won multiple SBs with.

    What analogy can I provide that shouts DYSFUNCTION?

    I’ve followed/supported/fought for this team for nearly 40 years.
    I’m not ready to say it’s over.

    I’m a fighter.
    I don’t buy cheap talk or weak results.

    Put up or, shut up.

  58. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    NJ really the issue is not any York owner at this point. It’s our GM / suit as Grumpy bitched about accurately. Let’s be clear:

    Red Corner:
    -Suits are easy to find according to Madden. He too came from Al Davis’ World of pre-Cap reality.

    -GMs don’t grow on trees in the NFL. College HCs? Hundreds to choose from.

    -How many GMs are roaming the streets? Coaches are a dime a dozen to owners in this racket.

    Blue Corner:
    -“It’s easier to get a suit than a good coach. You keep the coach”

    -The issue Grumpy raised is Trent Balkey or someone better? Like the Schnide at SEA who is clearly better.

    -“..I think Baalke will end up being out of a job soon. But. It won’t make a damned bit of difference unless Jed hires someone who can do the job to replace him

    -“Coaches who can (and did) take you to the Super Bowl are fewer than few. We had one of them and screwed him out of the last year of his contract and showed him the door.”

    -“…it’s Trent’s job to manage the team. MANAGE. To most that would include keeping a guy who took you to the Super Bowl instead of tossing that chance out the window.

    Despite the ‘SB win or Bust’ blather from York I bet he’ll overlook 8-8 if we should be so lucky this season and give his GM another chance or two to win. Now that will mean we’re better off and York made the right call, right?

    Yeah sure. Meanwhile Go Warriors and Giants.

  59. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yessir NJ all will be revealed on the field. I’d love to be dead wrong but it doesn’t look good. We’ll see huh?

  60. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Phil Baalke and/or Tomsula will pay the price regardless.

    Jed will NEVER be wrong.
    As is the case in DC and Dallas.

    We get hung up on Drafting a bit too much in this debate.
    If Kaep can’t cut it, Baalke buys the farm right?

    Jim won’t.
    Roman won’t.

    Baalke is my last option here.

    I ain’t banking on Jed.

  61. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The Super Bowl window was closing regardless of anything that does or does not happen. This is what I never see discussed here.

    Baalke’s problem? Yes. He built a great defense, but hasn’t had as much success drafting offense. What they did draft hasn’t developed well. I also think some of the players drafted weren’t used right, which had something to do with their effectiveness.

    Still think Hyde will be nearly as effective as Gore, and they have flexibility with Hiunter and Bush.

    I think this coaching staff stressing up/tempo and WCO is a welcome change.

  62. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Hyde will be nearly as effective as Gore? When will the rose colored glasses ever come off, Chuck? Gore is a fringe Hall of Famer. The odds Hyde is similar are very, very unlikely. And your game about betting whether Michigan winning it all is foolish. It’s Harbaugh’s first year. He’ll need time to build a winner. He didn’t win year one at Stanford. We all know it. You’re tired and trying too hard, or not hard enough. However, you sure don’t want to bet the 49ers will go 8-8 this year. Why is that, Chuck? You’re the eternal optimist until your pocketbook is on the line.

    And you said nobody’s talking about 49ers’ window closing? I was talking about it after the NFC Championship game when the 49ers lost to the Seahawks. I listed all the players who were aging, including Andy Lee, and you said they were all just fine. I questioned whether or not Baalke had the goods to keep the team together and draft replacement players for retiring veterans. But at the time, I didn’t know Jed York was stupid enough to part ways with Harbaugh. And Trent Baalke’s drafting is bad – borderline terrible, and I was saying that two years ago as well. So don’t tell me nobody’s talking about the 49ers’ window closing. And we’ve all laughed, Bullit included, about Baalke trying to sell us that the 49ers are “reloading,” when we all know it’s a full rebuild hoping Levi Stadium isn’t a ghost town.

    What makes me laugh, Chuck, is that you wanted to deny the 49ers window was closing when it closed (at the end of the 2013 season), but last year it was Harbaugh’s fault and now, when Tomsula is embattled (already), you want to try and cut him some slack saying the roster isn’t very good. Duh.

    The roster wasn’t very good last year. Harbaugh went 8-8 with a bad roster and a team full of injuries with an owner trying to undermine the head coach all season. That’s a great job by Harbaugh. But now Tomsula gets a pass for a bad roster? No chance. Last year the 49ers were injured and you and others on your blog wanted to blame Harbaugh for a poor offense and not being able to put teams away…. with all those injuries and disgruntled players wanting more money. Tomsula will get no breaks from bloggers or fans. His head will be on a pike week 8.

    You want to try and manage next year’s expectations? You should have been doing that last year. Last year, I wrote the 49ers would go 10-6 and miss out on the playoffs because of the 2014 Baalke roster that featured $4 million to Stevie Johnson and $2 million to Gabbert while other past 49er players wanted (and had earned) more. But I didn’t know so many players would get injured or that Jed York would intentionally try to sabotage his head coach. If I had known all that would happen, I would have said Harbaugh would be lucky to go 8-8.

    That aside, Jim Tomsula inherited a winning team that 3 out of 4 years went not only to the playoffs, but to championship games. And that’s the standard now, for both Tomsula and York. If know-it-all York and his yes men don’t get this team back to the playoffs next year, Jed York will have egg all over his face. Because Jed knows better. Jed wants a teacher. He’s going to win with class… and Jerome Simpson.

  63. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Did you write it on your blog? No one saw that shit.

    Nice living in shitshire, where hindsight is 20/20 and the village idiot rules the roost.

  64. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Thy name is vanity, spitty.

    Wow, amazing how it’s all peaches and cream for Tomsula but St Jim had so much adversity to deal with.

    Harbs won’t win in Michigan? Boo hoo.

    What is Tomsula walking in to? An aging roster blah blah blah. You contradict yourself all the time because you write in circles.

  65. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And you write way too much nonsensical gibberish. You, NoFear, and Flying Pinto need to heed the following advice.

    Brevity is the soul of wit. And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief: your shit is whack.

  66. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    There is, admittedly, a simple contradiction in what I wrote. The roster was bad last year for Harbaugh, but this year Tomsula is expected to win. The 49ers’ roster isn’t terrible. The 49ers, after all have talent with guys like Aldon Smith, Bowman, Brooks, Dorsey, Dockett, Boone, Anthony Davis, Vernon Davis, Boldin, Torrey Smith, Reggie Bush and others. Those guys are all proven NFL stars or at least very good. And the 49ers’ roster also has players who’ve shown promise in Hyde, Martin, Kilgore, Patton, Kaep, Brock, Tank, Dial and others.

    The contradiction is in the hyperbole. When I say the roster sucked for Harbaugh in 2014, I mean there was no way the roster was good enough to win a ring with. It wasn’t a bad roster – it just wasn’t a Super Bowl contender. However, Jed York tweeting, “We’re trying to win a Super Bowl, okay? Any questions?” meant to me Jed was trying to hold Harbaugh to an unrealistic expectation – part of Jed’s smear campaign. The 49ers weren’t close to winning a Super Bowl in 2014, and that wasn’t on Harbaugh – especially with all the injuries.

    So what’s a realistic expectation, based on the talent of the team in 2015, for Jim Tomsula, Baalke and Jed York? I say playoffs. I think the team is going to go 4-12, but the team has the talent on it, with the players mentioned above, to go to the playoffs – especially if the coaching staff does what all staffs are hired to do – develop players and fill holes with new, young talent. Tomsula has been hired to help develop guys like Keith Reiser (sp?) Ken Acker and Johnson in the secondary…. guys like Millard, Brandon Thomas and others.

    If Tomsula does what he was hired to do – develop talent and fill roster holes with new, young players, the expectation is playoffs. If the 49ers fall short of that, the finger will point at either Tomsula, Baalke or a qb who’s still developing and probably won’t get the support necessary from Jed York in 2015 for him to continue to develop. Fair or not, I think the scapegoat will be Kaep. But that won’t solve the 49ers’ problems after the 2015 season. You get rid of Kaep, or draft another qb, the 49ers will still have a bad GM in Baalke, and a bad coaching staff. Go ahead and make Kaep the fall guy. I’ll love it. Why? Because you don’t win by assessing incorrectly who’s bad as a coach or GM.

  67. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, in one of your more coherent moments, you summarise the situation fairly accurately.

    If, BIG IF, Kaep is the real deal, there’s hope for progress.

    The word, ‘developing’, is the hook.

    Who develops the QB?

    Baalke and Jed, villains 1 & 2, don’t play that role.

    I’ve beat my head on the subject of Jed showing patience with the ‘football guys’.

    Perhaps, there was a belief that the ‘villains’ didn’t see that from Harbaugh & Roman?


  68. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    When, NJ49er? When we were playing the conference championship games or the Super Bowl?

    I think everyone was pretty good about what the team and the head coach were doing. Everyone except those two you want to defend.

  69. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NJ – Too many people on this blog are fixated on Kaep. It’s a team game. And really, if you all are so concerned about Kaep, and you specifically, NJ, are in love with Baalke, why didn’t Baalke draft another qb in this year’s draft? There were good qbs out there. Blaine Gabbert’s not the answer. If Kaep fails, it’s on Baalke for not drafting a viable backup, and on Jed York for not creating a stable work environment for Kaep.

    It’s a team game. If your secondary gives up deep touchdowns, quick, it puts a ton of pressure on Kaep to answer. If the offensive line can’t block and the secondary is giving up touchdowns left and right, you can’t expect Kaep to work miracles, and I think, last year, a lot of bloggers here and on Chuck’s site expected miracles from Kaep.

    I think also some people don’t like Kaep because he’s not white, and also because he’s not Alex Smith…. and that makes me like Kaep all that much more.

  70. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear49er I’m asking the question about development.

    Not defending Jed or Trent necessarily.

    They have their faults as well.

    Asking if the possibility exists that Kaep can’t command a pocket?

    Read a Defense?
    Throw with touch and accuracy?

    Did Jim do enough in the eyes of ‘the villains’?

    All of these ingredients needed to gel.

    Obviously, they didn’t.

    To suggest Trent Drafted Kaep is speculative.
    To suggest Jed did, is ludicrous, and Snyderish.

    Simply suggesting, the 3 Principles couldn’t find common ground.

    We’re left to claw away as to why?

    My position, keep Jed away from football decisions.

    He’s not qualified.

    Left to figure out what Jed hasn’t learned yet.

  71. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Fine line?
    Can Kaep do what needs to be done to succeed in the pocket?

    Did Jim have a pupil that couldn’t do it?

    Who Drafted Kaep?

    What hair do we split?

  72. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Have you got a grudge against paragraphs, NJ?

  73. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, I’m not an English major.

    Trying to ‘speak’ from a phone, with a finger, ain’t my style.

  74. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    You have to have an IQ over 4 to create a paragraph. At the combine, NJ’s highest score was a 3.

  75. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit he added a QB.
    I also think he’s trying to give Kaep a supporting cast.

    Patrick and Borland added another set of problems.

    It’s all about looking down the road in this game.

    GM plans ahead.
    Coaches are expected to develop and compete.

    If a guy like Moody for example, can’t tackle, what’s the next move?

    Can’t stay healthy?

    Shut happens between college and Pro development.

    Some cut it.
    Most don’t.

    You can’t succeed without balance in all areas.

    For me, a QB needs 3yrs.
    Good coaching, stable system, etc.

    Kaep wasn’t a Pro-style QB to begin with.
    Extra time needed?

    Simply asking, whether Kaep couldn’t adapt under Harbaugh/Roman or, the expected timeline wasn’t realistic?

  76. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Buy the kid books, send him to school and all he wants to do is Twitter his life away and blame the teacher.

  77. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NJ – If the 49ers were having a 2 for 1 deal on shit sandwiches, you’d buy four, freeze three and tell us all shit keeps well in the freezer…. and each sentence would be it’s own paragraph.

    Now that Baalke’s 2015 draft was deemed one “not for immediate use,” but one for two or three years down the road, NJ declares, “It’s all about looking down the road in this game.” Coincidence or pure homerism?

    The best drafts are the ones were teams fill holes and those rookies start immediately – because you get more bang for your buck. And the 49ers certainly have holes to fill now. Remember Aldon, Chris Culliver and Kendal Hunter all starting as rookies, or getting significant playing time as rookies? That’s the way you do it. You don’t draft a team full of rookies who might pan out in four years – especially if the team has big holes, now. That’s just stupid. And if you’re buyin’ what they’re sellin’, especially this front office and this owner, you’ll be stockin’ up on and eatin’ a lot of shit sandwiches.

  78. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, get a clue dude.
    It’s a Mgt thing.

    Borland and Johnson got in this year, Ward too.

    Where’s your boy Moody?

    Is he ready now or not?

    Show me a magical GM that has all his holes filled in the current Draft Class.

    Maybe in Geneoushire?

  79. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    There are only 32 teams in the NFL. Inexcusable to experiment with GMAIL and coaches. They must have a proven track record.

    This team as is cannot design, draft, develop an offense. Seems to me Guido and Jesus Chryst are team players and accepted one year fill in positions. IMO we need an O HC to evaluate and develop a QB.

    It was mentioned correctly that we had guys in house like McCarthy and Norv Turner that were poached away. Why didn’the we do more to keep them. Whose fault, York or GM.

  80. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Bakkentom who’s going to pay HC money to an OC?

    Who’s going to pay NFL HC money to a guy like Saban?

    There’s more money in Big Time college programs than what the NFL is paying a successful HC.

    I get the Harbaugh success side of this debate.
    I also question why he couldn’t win the BIG Games.

    Lack of talent?
    Lack of Offense?
    Lack of imagination?

    Bottom line.
    We got close.
    We didn’t succeed.
    Sucks, to be sure.

  81. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    It would have been difficult to keep either one as they had offers to head coach. McCloughan was the GM and Jed was still riding his trike in short pants.

  82. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh didn’t play a single snap in any of those games.

  83. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Borland retired. Johnson barely got in. Jimmy Ward sucks and will always be injured. Hardly a ringing endorsement for that draft class.

    You should love Moody. They say people with similar IQs gravitate towards one another.

  84. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    All athletes are not equal and capable of HOF play in the pros against pro players and coaches simply depending on the quality of coaching they get. Some of it the player has to contribute.

  85. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Spit you were all about Moody you douche.

    Borland was a stop gap Pick to cover for Patrick perhaps?

    Should Baalke have known both guys were going to retire?

    Get an eff’n clue.

  86. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Rich, even for you, to equate IQ to Moody, your former protege.

    Mirror, mirror, on the wall….


  87. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    I still like Moody’s athletic abilities. He’s just not smart enough. When you’re assessing as a fan, and watching things on Youtube and games, you don’t know how smart the guy is. You two should start your own think tank.

  88. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Nice hedge there, numbnutz.

    What do you think a GM or Scout sees?

    College talent.
    They speculate on whether there’s ‘potential’ to develop Pro talent.
    You’re a Geneous on riding the wave of opinion.
    You bailed.
    You’re not a fan.
    Yet, here you are.
    Flailing away at those of us who have some hope for success.

    It ain’t as simple as pulling up the blinds in Geneoushire and knowing there’s no one in the Kingdom with half a brain.

  89. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    I’m on record that Armstead doesn’t thrill me.

    I support his ‘potential’.

    If I’m hedging a bet on his development, I’m giving that to Tomsula.

    Perhaps Baalke is too?
    You’re quick to throw darts at the obvious Spit.
    Every Pick should play.
    Yeh, right.

    Not in the real world.

  90. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I thought the reluctance to draft a QB was a Harbaugh thing.
    Harbaugh is gone and in this year’s draft no QBs were drafted by the Niners.
    They haven’t used a draft pick on a QB in 3 years and then it was 7th rd pick.

    So this is on Baalke. Teams like the Aints are lining up players to repl;ace someone like Brees in 3 years or so.

    I believe they should draft a QB every year just to create competition.

    Drafting none is unacceptable unless you have an All Pro at the position.

  91. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, which is going to pay HC money to an OC. How about an owner that wants to build a dynasty. If I am wrong then let me know. Salary caps are for a player payroll. No limit on coaches. This is entertainment. Pay the man. Get the best. If not then fire and retry. How the frigging huck could we keep Nolan over Mccarthy or norv.

  92. robNo Gravatar says:

    Who is going to pay the coaches big money to win championships ? Anybody but the man with his finger on the purse strings.

  93. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Team revenue for the Niners in 2014 was $260 mil and Forbes valued the franchise at $1.6 bil.

    If winning a Super Bowl is the criteria for getting a contract extension and a raise then you’re going to have 31 unhappy coaches in the league.

    The Yorks can keep paying bottom scale for mediocre coaches and the product on the field is going to reflect that.

  94. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Armstead is a “project” similar to Margus Hunt of the Bengals.
    Drafted 3 years ago he has a total of 2 tackles, 0 sacks and has never started a game.
    Hunt got hurt in the offseason and might sit out his 3rd year.
    He will turn 29 years old in July so the second round pick wasn’t a good choice.

    Personally I hate wasting a #1 pick on a “project” If it takes 2 orv 3 years for Armstead to get up to speed and he proves something special then you are staring at a huge contract
    for him in the 5th year where he’s only been productive for you
    that one year.

    Reports out of Miami are that Devante Parker is tearing it up as a receiver. It kills me that Baalke sat on his hands and didn’t make a move to jump in front of Miami to draft Parker.

  95. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit Harbaugh Drafted Kaep.
    Depending on your POV.

    I support Kaep.
    I ask whether there was conflict created over his development?

    Harbaugh chose him over Alex.
    Reason for conflict within the locker room?

    I’m seeking an upside in this debate.
    I’d like to think Jed is too.
    How this was handled is a non-stop asskicking contest.

    Did Jim rebuff suggestions to open up the Offense?
    Who knows?

    Kaep isn’t Aaron.
    Neither was Alex.

    Do we blame an owner or GM?
    Is it, was it, fair to pin it on Jim?

    It sucks.
    I get it.

  96. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    A measure of a good OC and QB is read the D and be able to audible from run to pass and vice versa. 8 or 9 in the box then pass. This should be independent of formation. Do not telegraph plays to the D.

    If the MLB is laughing and smack talking then something is wrong.

  97. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Bakken – What’s wrong when the MLB is laughing is that the GM wasn’t able to bring in other talented offensive players via the draft. If you look at all the starters Baalke has brought in, they’re mostly free agents – proven NFL players (Bethea, Dockett, Boldin, Torrey Smith, Reggie Bush). Starters Baalke has drafted are Hyde, Kilgore, Kaep, Aldon, Reid…. and that’s about it. And of the starters Baalke has drafted, only Aldon is really good. How does all of this relate to Seattle’s MLB laughing at us? Gore, at that point in his career, could only run between the tackles. If Baalke had drafted another RB who was durable and could do both, Seattle wouldn’t have known what was coming. And play action would have been more effective as well.

    The NFC Championship game in 2013 was the end of the 49ers’ Super Bowl window, and some of the players were already too old…. like Gore (in my opinion).

  98. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Baalke had the authority over the draft. Who influences him and what he does about it is on him.

    Harbaugh insisted no other QBs be drafted, and Baalke listened? Harbaugh wanted to keep Whitner, and Baalke didn’t listen? Harbaugh’s a jerk and Baalke tried to keep him here but Harbaugh was having none of it. Baalke had nothing to do with his daughter’s tweet about hating Roman.

    It requires a lot of one-sided conjecture to make Baalke the good guy all the time.

  99. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Sunday is the day we find out if our sexual predator will join our ex sexual predator as ex niners on the outside looking in. Boyz will be boyz. Did anything happen to Rickey Henderson when he admitted to banging his step-sister when in junior high.

  100. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Wow, it was his half sister that he repeatedly raped when she was 12 and he 16. Seems his 2 brothers were pimping and bribing mom so she looked the other way on their business endeavors. Half sis figured she wouldn’t get mom to protect her. Cocaine and booze was the date rape drug used in the 70’s it seems.

  101. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    She remembered being raped for 3 years while in therapy under sodium amytal. Rickey denied. Oh what a tangled web we weave.

    I wonder if they voted for obama.

  102. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    In case you haven’t seen this piece on the Warriors

    40 years and they are back in the NBA Championship Series
    That is an awful long time with many coaches, players and hopes.
    For those who feel winning is an entitlement and take it for granted the Warriors are a good example how elusive championships are. The Warriors are finally back to the big dance and are 4 wins away. They are in a position to win it all.
    The Niners got themselves into the NFCCG 3 times in a row.
    A step away from winning it all. What has transpired this offseason puts the very hope of making it there in doubt.

  103. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The link above is the general link

    Try this link to get to the video I targeted about the Warriors

  104. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I guess if they don’t win the title, they’ll have to fire Kerr for not getting it done.

  105. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, Armstead to me skirts the ‘freak’ line.
    If he can be developed, fine.

    I questioned his heart for the game.
    If our Scouts deem him worthy, I suspect that’s why he was Drafted.

    Again, this game comes down to players wanting to win.
    If you get high production guys in College that really don’t care about winning, all the Scouts and GM’s are left with is, failed potential.

  106. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    A kid like Dres, who goes undrafted, just might want it more too.

    Baalke is making a very deliberate attempt to find youthful replacements in the WR Corps and Secondary.

    Bad year to be shopping for ILBs too.

    Losing Patrick and Borland will hurt.
    No doubt.
    Gotta hope Kaep and the new regime can keep the Defense a bit more rested this year, while putting opposing Defenses on their heels.

  107. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    If I were Baalke I would’ve traded my 3rd and a 6th with New Orleans to jump in front of Miami and take Devante Parker.
    Baalke is still second guessing himself for not making a move on Odell Beckham last year.
    I believe there were 3 impact receivers in the draft and we were one pick away from taking one.
    Taking a project that you won’t see results for a year or two is a wasted draft pick. Team needs immediate help.
    In case you hadn’t noticed we no longer are that deep to stockpile projects.

  108. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    The Warriors and Giants are just a pleasure to watch, night-in and night-out. Steve Kerr is so humble and almost self-deprecating, and Bruce Bochy is a complete treasure. Those coaches treat their players right, and the players love to play for them. Professional sports are all about good coaching. Sure, you have to draft, in any sport. But if you get good coaching and a core group of guys who like the coach and are leaders, your team is going to go far – maybe win a championship. And the core group of both coaches and players will attract more talented coaches and players on the fringe.

    That’s what the 49ers had with Gore, Willis, Harbaugh, Justin Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Vic Fangio, Donte Whitner and others. Those guys loved the atmosphere, and coach Harbaugh had their backs. Justin Smith: “For a few years there it was great coming to work knowing we had a shot at Super Bowl ring.” The transition from older vets to new young players with the same great coaching staff should have come easy to the 49er front office. Instead, a little obstacle was turned into the 49er organization self-imploding. The only reason it all imploded was Jed York leadership, or lack there of.

    Recently, I read the 49ers are trying to go to more of a power GM model, rather than a power head coach. This means the GM is more the face of the organization than the head coach, doing interviews and press conferences – while also setting the philosophies for coordinators. The head coach will always have his requirements from the NFL for press conferences and so on, and have his say about his coaches, but I just don’t think the idea of a power GM will work. I think it’ll be too inconsistent and create power struggles. The NFL always has been, and always will be, about great coaches. But it’s not just the NFL. It’s the same way with the other sports. Bochy and Kerr are awesome. Hell, even Bob Melvin is good.

    Carmen Policy recently said, “I think Jed York is showing his growing pains as an owner.” There’s this notion out there that Jed York is still a young owner. He’s not. He’s run the team for 8 years, and he was apart of the process for 4 or 5 years leading up to that. The York family has owned the team now for 15 years, with Jed being a big part for at least 12 of those years.

    A tiger doesn’t change his stripes. I disagree with Carmen Policy’s statement that Jed is showing his “growing pains” because it implies two things: It implies that Jed is going to start figuring it out, and it implies that Jed is still a young or rookie owner. Jed’s youth is certainly what the 49ers want to portray with talking about the “Quest for 6,” because it cuts Jed some slack, but Jed’s been doing this now for over ten years and he’s making cluster F after cluster F out of easy problems.

    Because of his incompetence, Jed York will never find a Steve Kerr or a Bruce Bochy, or a Bill Walsh. Jed York was given a gift in Jim Harbaugh, and Jed York shit the bed and made such a disaster of the situation that I honestly don’t believe any new, good head coach, like a Steve Kerr will ever willingly work for Jed York unless Jed York comes out and publically states that he’s an idiot and needs to change his ways… extremely. But guys like Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder and Jed York don’t admit they’re wrong.

    Jed York doesn’t get it. I read recently that a journalist asked York if he was feeling the heat from Bay Area sports fans for firing Harbaugh. It was a perfect opportunity for Jed to say something like, “Yeah, the fans are pissed at me right now because I let go of a damn fine coach in Jim Harbaugh. There’s a lot of truth in what Al Davis used to say in his ‘Just Win, Baby,” mantra, and Jim certainly won and the 49ers are grateful to Jim for all the things he did for the 49er organization in Jim’s tenure with the team. Jim helped get the stadium deal passed, and Jim also worked to develop our franchise QB in Colin Kaepernick, who we all have a great deal of respect and admiration… and hope for. And Jim took us to 3 straight and a Super Bowl. But at the end of the day Jim and I really disagreed on a lot of things, and I’m just not ready to give total control to someone else just yet. I know Jim’s way won, and mine hasn’t, but I’m it’s not my intention to own the team just so my family can make money. I want to win and put my own stamp on winning. I may be naive, but at least I’m trying.” I could respect that, and would still be a 49er fan if something like that was publically said.

    Instead, when asked if he was feeling the heat from Bay Area fans (which Jed is even if he doesn’t want to admit it) Jed said something like, “I don’t think the fans are upset. I was just at a country club function and a bunch of 49er fans wanted to take their picture with me.” No joke. That’s Jed’s head in the sand approach to solving the Jim Harbaugh problem. Let Deion Sanders attack Jim on television, tweet “unacceptable” after a loss to Seattle when the team was injured and the roster was in decline, then fire Harbaugh and say it was mutual when Harbaugh denies the claim, then replace a great coach with an NFL Europe meathead. Then, when asked about losing fans, Jed claims he’s loved by all. A tiger doesn’t change his stripes. This is Jed York. And it will be Jed York in twenty years. Jed York is like Barry Bonds – immature, insecure, and never a champion.

    In 3, 5 or 10 years, Jed York will still be doing the same things. Jim Harbaugh will mature. He’s Tom Coughlin. But Jed York won’t. Jed York is a wannabe Jerry Jones – without a Heursal Walker trade.

  109. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, I do not fault TB for this draft. It was forced on him by jed’s intrusion. So instead of a promising Gase we are stuck with some one year placeholders. Reacting to this TB had his first 3 picks as year 2 players. So lots of snaps for DLINE rotation and Patton etc.

    Parker would have wasted his rookie year here. Let us see what we have on the roster from 2013 and 2014 picks and hope we lose enough to have our pick of the top WR next year.

  110. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Situations like this do not change and mark the limits of what can be expected going forward- both from the owners and from the team. Owners price was a new stadium followed by ‘screw you’. Jimi got the screw job and so did we. Unfortunately we know the pattern of this family of non-football people. They are cheap, manipulative and dishonorable. Ugly rumors beginning to be whispered about these people:

    See comments:


    “One glaring aspect of Jed’s hypocrisy is that he is himself a sex harrasser who has fired staff who complained.”


    “@billynorthhitsthewall whoa really?? i’ve never heard that! do you have more info?”


    “My close friend worked catering for the Yorks. Lotsa stories, none of them good. Bad peeps.”

    Pixels on a blog mean little in a court of law for proof but it is something to consider as far as character goes. Where did York get the idea that dumping a winning key employee for spurious personal reasons is an acceptable way to treat people and to do business? What do we know really about this family?

    We have an analogous situation out here and the chief villain of the piece is a much feared scumbag who presents as ‘Mr. Clean’. It happens.

    You saw it with your own lying eyes despite what apologists are selling.

  111. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Go Niners. 10-6.

  112. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Winder predicts 10-6!

    Ha ha ha ha!

  113. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    You are a brave man Winder. 10 wins is v. optimistic.

    BTW here is a brief article about CTE and McDonald:

  114. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks skeebs, It’s now cemented in stone or something like that.

    Gooo Niiinnneeerrrsss. Had to do that again it just feels so good.

    Phil- saw the article earlier. Hopefully Mcdonald will get some help whether he has CTE or not.

  115. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Exactly Winder, the man is in crisis of some kind probably revolving around his relationship with his childs mother and definitely needs help. Maybe CTE plays a role. Where are his parents in all this? They were quick (and IMO correct) to stand up for him when the SC Police/Sheriff were taking forever to investigate earlier. Dude is having a meltdown and these things don’t get better w/o support/help. Get on it.

    Does RayMac have any support/help?

  116. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, point taken, on being closer to Parker this year.
    I was all in for OBJr last year as well.
    Shared my desire for any of the top 3 WRs here with you leading up to the Draft.

    Given the nature of our slot last year, I’m sure it was much more costly by comparison to this year.

    Hard to know, how Baalke and Staff valued Armstead to the WRs too.
    Have to think those teams ahead of us who made those selections were happy to get them and, may not have been open to passing them up for an extra Pick or 2?
    As stated, I’ll give Armstead the benefit of the doubt in terms of ‘potential’.
    There wasn’t much for me to get excited about, in terms of his college stats either.
    Given his dual sport status, I can understand why his football numbers were lean.

    If he’s dedicated and coachable, hopefully he can provide some value for us.
    Like Aldon, he’ll probably see some spot duty this year until he’s ready to handle the full plate of responsibilities.

  117. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Just sold my Ronnie Lott jersey, my Colin Kaepernick jersey, 8 pint glasses with the 49er logos on ’em – and threw in some 49er coasters and other minor 49er collectibles I had. All for $45. Not even a sad day. Good riddance. Jed. York. Sucks.

  118. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Ditto Spit. Put me down for 5 to 7 wins. What a waste of fan energy on York’s team. Could have had Gase, now just gas with spurts of diarrhea.

  119. winderNo Gravatar says:

    You guys are hilarious.

  120. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Laugh with the sinners or die with the saints. Sinners are much more fun. Darling only the good die young.

    Billy Joel is a Packers fan this year. So am I. Hope the niners are sinning next year.

  121. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    All about faith I guess Bakkentom –
    Billy got all sorts of flack for those lyrics.

    Great tune tho….

    “They say there’s a heaven for those who will wait
    Some say it’s better but I say it ain’t
    I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
    The sinners are much more fun”

  122. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Child’s small, spitty? I guess that means you will be joining a Packers blog.

    And Tom will mysteriously vanish as well.

  123. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The clown troll has entered the blog.
    He expects everyone to connect the dots to his jibberish.
    Fortunately for most of us we don’t speak TROLL so your mind is safe from being fried.

  124. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    It’s tiresome that you accuse any new poster of being an alias
    of someone posting here.
    That might work on your blog (not really having seen you drive away many innocent posters by accusing them of being me).

    I believe bakkentom to be a new poster and your accusations are your usual unwarranted trollike behavior.

    Stems from both your paranoia and envy of Skeebers Blog.

  125. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Armstead has chosen to wear 94.
    It’ll take a “rookie of the year” effort to live up to his choice of number.

  126. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit – Why even respond to him? We all know his game. He’s not worth the response. I agree, though. He is envious of Skeeber’s blog.

    I don’t know if I’d want 94. Haley, Stubblefield and Armstead? Who else has worn 94?

  127. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Justin Smith.

  128. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Kinda tacky. Some numbers should be off limits until a guy proves worthy of wearing it.

  129. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Kinda tacky is exactly this 49er team. At least put it on the shelf for a few years.

  130. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Here’a a gloomy take on Kaps development in improving throwing motion, decision making from Cohn jr:

    It’s a little early to tell but Kap is trying to make some big changes in his delivery.

    We’ll see if he can be effective. Suspect he’ll revert to old habits at times. Hoping for a varied attack = screens, slants and good OL play to take pressure off

  131. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Seems we are stuck with Colin for next 2 years, for better or worse. If anything we are better than the Browns and Manziel.

  132. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yep unless he really does poorly but with no replacements on hand I’d say we are Kaps Kids for next couple years. Also think that Tommy Boy Tomsula/Balkey will have at least a couple years to try to exceed 8-8. Seems like the set up York has committed to. It will take a couple years of really stinking to piss off the entire fan base and harm revenues. Then York ‘might’ rethink his grand scheme

    My guess.

  133. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Am optimistic on D and could even surprise on the upside due to DLine young talent. A negative would be a rash of injuries again.

    This org has not demonstrated it can develop a QB. Can we have 2 QB coaches, one for Blaine. Next year will be lots of picks again. Have that extra coach spend time on QB2 and QB3. Pick one QB every year in the middle rounds and trade/release/discard to find the next franchise QB.

  134. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    I find it interesting that a former NFL qb who developed Andrew Luck (Harbaugh) didn’t want to change Kaep’s throwing motion, but now, for some reason, Kaep is changing his motion or overall fundamentals. And who really knows how long Kaep worked with Kurt Warner? Seems like, at the most, they’d work together for a week. Is that enough to change someone’s throwing motion? I’m dubious. Dubby…dubby, doo….

    And this notion that the York’s care about money is also a stretch to me. I’ve never bought it. The NFL is a money-making machine win, lose or draw. I think the knowledgeable fans have already left the stadium. I’ve heard reports that fans have dumped their seat licenses post haste this year. I don’t think it matters to York. I do think Jed’ll do everything he can to suppress the media disaster, talent suck and empty stadium, but I don’t think money will influence York’s decision to dump Tomsula or Baalke.

    I think Baalke and Tomsula can lose, and lose a lot if they lose with optimism and without losing their cool. If Tomsula becomes Singletary, he’s done. But if Tomsula stays cool with the media and can point to some successes regardless of the win / loss tally, I think Tomsula will coach the 49ers for two years. If, however, Tomsula is up at the podium, and the media is hammering Tomsula, and Tomsula is stuttering and stammering and sweating, trying to explain loses, he’ll only last a year.

    Four things will influence York’s decision to fire either Tomsula or Baalke: 1.) Social media, blogs and the media. 2.) How they handle losing 3.) How players respond to the losing. 4.) If Kaep is offered as a sacrificial lamb.

    1.) Jed York is a social media hawk. He pays close attention to the blogs and what people are saying and reporting about his team. In my opinion, Mike Singletary didn’t get hired because the York family had their own insightful brain fart. Singletary got hired because he was the hot topic on the blogs that year. I remember guys like Berger advocating for Singletary, and the overall discussion on the blogs post Singletary hire. Everyone was debating Singletary’s credentials. I think the York’s hired Singletary because he was the popular choice by 49er fans. If I’m right, and the blogs influence Jed’s thinking, overall, Tomsula and Baalke better not hope the blame is place by the blogs squarely on their shoulders. But I do think Jed York tries to control content on the blogs, and I think he’ll try to spread blame all around so no one guy is a scapegoat… unless it’s Kaep.

    2.) Like I wrote before, if Baalke and Tomsula can appear calm, and effectively sell their vision in the face of adversity, York will keep them around regardless of fan backlash.

    3.) The players are the key. And I think Baalke bringing in older players is a smart move for a bad GM who wants to keep his job. Why? Because older players are only there, in most cases, to collect one last paycheck before retiring to the golf course. Think Dockett really believes the 49ers have a chance to win the Super Bowl? If he did, and that was Dockett’s primary concern, he’d have stayed in Arizona. Dockett wants to get paid for two more years… and paid well. So in order to do that, Dockett needs to keep this season from going sideways, not by controlling the wins and loses, but by controlling the locker room and the media. “Everything’s great. Tomsula’s a heck of a coach. We’re just one piece away from really pulling this season together. Keep watching. Go Niners!” That’s the line from old veterans like Dockett, Reggie Bush and Bethea. And if Lance Briggs is hired, he’ll try to keep the money line flowing as well. For short term, one or two year job security, older veterans are a smart move. For longer term sustainability and success, not so much.

    If the 49ers have a mutiny on their hands like they did with Mike Nolan, Tomsula is done. I honestly believe the reason Jed York hired Deion Sanders to start the rumor that Harbaugh lost the locker room was because Jed saw how quickly the fans walked away from Nolan once it was widely accepted that Nolan had lost the locker room. Jed learned from Nolan, and tried to apply it to Harbaugh. Older players will keep that mutiny from happening – especially if they’re there to collect paychecks.

    4.) Kaep. Poor Kaep. Kid’s about to get blindsided.

    And don’t quote Cohn Jr. That little punk wouldn’t know football if he was sitting on the 50 yard line. Funny thing is, Jed York responds to Cohn’s blog and Cohn’s articles. Figures.

  135. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Warner was window dressing to give the 2 guys tutoring Kap some legitimacy. He gave Kap an hour a week for ten weeks.
    The other guys spent most morning tutoring him in 3 hour sessions. The guys were a local Phoenix high school coach and a guy who tutored Tebow a few years ago and was looking for a big name to further his reputation.
    Either the tutoring is going to improve Kap or not. It’s that simple.

    If it were up to me I would’ve sent him to work under Tom House because he’s had success with Brady, Brees and even Alex Smith. He deals with QB mechanics and works on footwork which is the key to successful QB play.

  136. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Cohn jr doesn’t know football agreed. Scanning the mainstream blogs on the local papers he’s the only one today that had anything beyond “Hey that fat guy Trent Brown ain’t so bad for a 7th round pick” and “The grass at Levis will be replaced often this coming season”. Big whoop.

    I read him for the comments section under his stuff and that has some good commenters. Like us.

    One good suggestion from Cohn was that the Niners hire Giles to continue coaching Kap during the season because Garcia is a Ram and House is too late anyway. There’s your #2 QB coach Tom.

    Facing the press was an adventure with Jimi and you are probably right that grated on good guy York. When smooth guy Tomsula wins 49 games then I guess we can say York made a good choice. Until then…weak sauce.

    Good point about the older vets here to keep any mutinies at bay. Could work for a year or two. But ultimately “So what?”. Just win or fan discontent will reemerge like a disease when remission ends.

  137. winderNo Gravatar says:


  138. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    I wasn’t saying that Harbaugh’s press conferences irked York. They were an adventure…. cured by winning. I simply think that Tomsula is going to lose, and lose a lot so he better learn to handle it well.

    I agree that a short term solution with older vets is dumb because long-term is much more desirable, but older vets buy time to get your feet underneath you. Doesn’t mean they will. A confidence head coach and GM don’t go the older vet route and they just draft well and develop well and create a winner ASAP. Harbaugh had that kind of confidence. Baalke and Tomsula don’t.

  139. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:


  140. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    10-6 is unbelievable my friend.

    I think the clamp down on media access is already an accomplished fact with unavailable coaches and what I perceive as a mandate from ownership to “Report positive news or else. No soup for you”. This goes hand in glove with your comments about vets + Tomsula = “by controlling the locker room and the media. “Everything’s great. Tomsula’s a heck of a coach. We’re just one piece away from really pulling this season together. Keep watching. Go Niners!”.

    It’s all good in Yorkville you dumbshits and this message will be repeated until you agree. Maiocco, Barrows, Lynch are towing the line, so should you. Capiche?

  141. winderNo Gravatar says:

    You guys just make shit up and run to the bank with it.

  142. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Sounds like Chuck

  143. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    10-6. Now I’m going to the bank. Lol what’s the diff?

  144. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Viewership of football on the Internet is growing. NFL Mobile and whatever else I believe is streamed so that is quantified. So data streams cost lots of money so fans will be choosy. If there is fan disinterest it will be hard data whether York f’D up or not.

    Put this in their blogs and see if they answer or censor it.

  145. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Maio Co works for Comcast. Ask him if they have hard data on many homes are viewing and if it drops on a weekly basis. They have to show those numbers to their advertisers.

  146. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    June 1 is here. Is Ahmad shitting twinks. We could not get a trade for him. Is any team gonna want a sexual predator that diddles with passed out women.

    Our salary cap is minus crabtree, iupati, skuta, cox, culliver, Justin smith, Patrick willis, and maybe brooks. That is a lot of coin. Torrey smith not matching that.

  147. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Winder – What are you talking about, specifically?

  148. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just making up a lot of negative shit isn’t going to help make your case.

    I have to wonder why no one is blaming Warner or Giles or whoever the eff is coaching Kaepernick for his failure to improve his throwing motion, footwork, knowledge of receivers’ routes and reactions to defensive coverage, recognition of defensive formations and alignments, or ability to throw catchable balls, when it seems so many blamed Harbaugh for it.

    My theory is most fans like to echo what some sportswriter writes if it attacks people they don’t like or want to fault. Questioning motives or research or subject matter knowledge is far from what most fans care about.

    Herd mentality goes hand in hand with mob rule, I guess.

  149. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    ” Is any team gonna want a sexual predator that diddles with passed out women.”

    This is an allegation, unproved, by the drunk womans attorney, Gloria Allred. You know this how?

  150. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “Winder – What are you talking about, specifically?” asked Sir Spitblood.

    Berger once upon a time long ago before he left for Chucks said that based on some internet metric that this blog, Skeebs, ranked way ahead of Chucks based on actual unique users visiting the sites. Now we know why = Chucks pseudo-identities posted by himself are filtered out by some of these website trackers to prevent bogus posters from being counted in ‘website usage stats’. In other words all the “posts” at Chucks are known as not genuine and no matter how many more we seemed to post there when I was there compared to the number of posts here- that site still was ranked far lower. And this far higher because of actual genuine posters visiting or posting.

    I get it now. Makes sense if you factor in the inflated frootloop metric as above.

    So Winder, you were saying?

  151. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, r u a lawyer. Why would this case be out there if there isn’t some kind of evidence implicating him, no matter how indirect.

    I guess I am jumping the gun a wee bit. After all this is the team that did bring in a convicted rapist of a passed out female. The guilty perp being perish cox.

  152. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I am wondering as far as the criticism on Kap is how does the QB coach for the last 4 years escape nay responsibility for Kap’s erratic performance and lack of development?
    That QB coach actually got promoted to OC and it was sold by Jed as the team needed a “teacher”.

  153. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “Herd mentality goes hand in hand with mob rule, I guess.”

    It sure does NF. Not just in PC political parties preaching the party line = “Talking Points” but in some sports fans too. It is good to have this pointed out from time to time. Sort of like phoney blog usage statistics it is good to have nuanced and real info to base our opinions on.

    Good job.

  154. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    bakkentom, never heard of a vengeful ex? Lucky you.

    Accusation and domestic violence laws favor the accuser. May be a good thing, as opposed to the opposite tact, anyway, but let’s get some facts out from both sides before passing judgment and further damaging a man’s career and reputation.

    Employing your logic RayMac must be innocent because he sued for defamation.

  155. phil fanNo Gravatar says:


    I think it is important to get all available facts before judging anyone. The lawyer for the drunk woman hopes to get video evidence from Ray McDonalds video surveillance cameras to see if there is some evidence of the alleged ‘sexual touching’.

    This allegation against Brooks has been added to her clients lawsuit against RayMac. As far as I know that’s all that has been made public.

    Let’s hold judgment until something has been determined in court. Allegations are just that = claims by someone that such and such happened. No proof required or in this case offered as far as I know.

    I have testified for clients and for my County department in Sacramento County Juvenile Court and submitted numerous official reports to said Court.

  156. phil fanNo Gravatar says:


    Here are the facts concerning your supposed “Convicted Rapist” as you labeled him:


    Cox was arrested on December 9, 2010, for felonious sexual assault and taken to a Douglas County jail. He was released on December 10 on a $50,000 bond. His sexual assault charges were classified as class three and class four felonies which carry a sentence of two years to life in prison. He faced a possible sentence of ten years to life if convicted.[16] However, on March 2, 2012, Cox was found not guilty of sexual assault charges in Douglas County, Colorado criminal court.[17]

    So Not Guilty = no rape occurred Bakkentom. But you take this to smear the 49ers for hiring a ‘convicted rapist’ and that must be why Brooks is guilty? Yes let’s not jump the gun here.

    Really we have been through this with the PC lynch mob who wanted Ray McDonald benched ‘just in case’. But charges were never filed after police investigation. Yes Ray Mac has problems. Yes he needs help and is making matters worse but he was not guilty of the supposed assault and IMO the Niners handled it correctly.

  157. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    You can call me a hypocrite with a convoluted double standard but I was actually OK with perish cox since Donatell wanted him after the Broncos endured all the legal proceedings and he paid undisclosed punishment so case closed.

    Ahmad Brooks crashed a beer bottle over Mike Purcell’s head allegedly because he took away brooks keys so he would not drive drunk. Coupled with his selfish unsportsmanlike behavior after losing out to lynch. Don’t like the guy. He is not team first and since he is at the end of his playing days at 31 would let him go.

  158. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit those are good questions. What is York thinking? We are foolish dolts? We won’t notice that no decent OC could get in the door? This is an upgrade? Holy crap.

    Lord it is so deep and thick in Yorks Ninerland. “Laughing with the sinners?” is nowhere near as much fun as laughing with the Winners.

    I’ll love the Niners if they suck it just won’t be as much fun.

  159. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I won’t call you any such thing : ) Don’t even know you. Cox would have been in jail for a long time and never would have had an NFL career if convicted I’m guessing.

    I think Brooks gets cut at some point mainly for salary reasons and age. Seems like we have enough depth on the DL?

  160. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    I work all the time and will not research the cox case. My recollection was wrong on the legal conviction. But he did not play his first season until this got resolved.

    What did her lawyer say on this. Was there some kind of plea bargain. He was represented well. He had money or future money. Who represented here. A flunky public defender. To me it seemed like he got lawyered out of this somehow. It stinks. It is over. Donatell wanted him after all this and is good enough for me.

  161. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    If you’re not going to research it I’m certainly not going to. I looked up the disposition of the case when you said he was convicted which was news to me. We all know how courts work and you raise good questions. I don’t really expect justice in courts of law myself personally and certainly not in this country. Justice here is for sale. US undoubtedly similar in that the legal system can be and is manipulated.

    Cox who is no longer here is not a convicted rapist tho of course he was charged. You nailed the Niners by saying what you did, carried that over to Brooks. We’ll see what goes down with Brooks but that is not why I think he’ll be gone.

    I don’t buy the idea that these guys should be above reproach.
    And I don’t think the Niners are some kind of dubious outfit for hiring any of these guys.

  162. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Just to repeat a Bill Walsh video explaining QB footwork as one the key elements to successful QB play.
    Note Walsh emphasizes that a pass should never be thrown below waist level because it prevents a receivers catching a ball in stride and drastically effects YAC. Too often Kap throws passes at a receivers ankles forcing them to leave their feet.

  163. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Being that Colin Kaepernick is under contract until 2020, it would behoove the 49ers to not only support him with great coaches and players, but also support him waging war for him in the media. Harbaugh understood how to do this. Jed, Trent and Tomsula don’t get it. He’s either your qb or he isn’t. You don’t hedge your bets or talk trade unless you know you’re actually going to trade the guy. You don’t test the waters. You can’t get half pregnant. If you have a young qb, signed for six more years, you support him with everything you got.

  164. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I am talking about all the Kappy & FO scenarios that I am reading here. We haven’t even played a pre-season game yet and you guy are crucifying just about everything, not only for this year but for years to come. Maybe QB coaching should have been most of your professions, but my guess is you don’t really know much of anything. The Silver and Black are right across the bridge.

  165. winderNo Gravatar says:

    At least wait for something to whine about.

  166. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, ya lost me when you went skitzoprenic last year. I blocked what I thought was a pseudo-I’d of someone hacking your name, but it turned out to be you. Not sure what your issues are but good luck with that.

    As to accusing me of creating multiple personalities, fine. Call me out. I don’t do it. Not here, and certainly not on my site, but we know 2 folks here who DO do it. Go ahead and ask nofear about my so-called baseball friends.

    I run a blog to simply talk football. My aggravation is guys like V who clog up my site with 1000,000 word diatribes about the grand old days of Eddie and Joe. Yes, great times. I’d love to see them again.

    But they were fraught with controversy and angst as well. Eddie ran the team into the ground with the help of policy and Clark. Salary cap hell would have hit regardless if Eddie losing the team. How different?

    Probably not as bad as it turned out, but no one knows. Eddie had to turn the team over to sis and that was that. If he sold the team, well another scenario. But again, no one knows.

    And for the last time, this team isn’t as hopeless as the herd here thinks. NoFear you talk of the herd mentality. EVERYONE in the Bay Area with a pulpit to stand on is ridiculing the team. Is this place bucking that trend?

  167. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Winder is sounding more and more like Chuck.

    “You guys do this. You guys do that. You guys, you guys, you guys”.

  168. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Lol I thought so. Naw I was never blocked and you know it whacko.

    Sorry I don’t read yer posts including this one above. Get help Chuck, you are a very sick man. I figured it all out and left the echo chamber for good.

    Say hi to Winder for me.

  169. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Herd mentality isn’t finding people who agree on one issue. It’s people who support Nolan, then hate Nolan, support Singletary, then hate Singletary, support Harbaugh then hate Harbaugh, all on cue from the popular media. On command, you might say. Like on your blog.

    By the way, I read more on the internet than blogs and I read more than a few blogs and your claim that “EVERYONE in the Bay Area with a pulpit to stand on is ridiculing the team.” is pretty far from the truth.

    Lots of people complained about what they saw as getting shit on by a couldn’t-care-less front office and ownership. And why wouldn’t they?

    But now the tide is turning toward rooting for the positives and hoping the negatives aren’t as bad as they seemed. Just like the sportswriters are saying. Imagine that! And they’ll be wrong again, and when they change their tune so will the herd.

    All I see on your blog is a bunch of “me-toos” and posts about what’s going on at this blog to include how poor Chuck gets taken advantage of for his agitation and trolling. It’s a herd Chuck. A bunch of sheep that go where they’re led without question.

    Folks who read both blogs know that if they have another POV they better post it here or get stampeded by the herd over there, frenzied by their own shrill screams at reading a diverse opinion.

  170. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Hi Phil.

  171. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Nofear- diverse opinions are good and personally I enjoy them.

    Phil- When I used the term “you guys” and made up scenarios I was referring to you, spit, and bakkentom. I know spit and bakkentom are not 49er fans so what they say really means nothing. But you, it’s kinda weird.

  172. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Unca_Chuck: “As to accusing me of using multiple user names, fine. Call me out. I don’t do it.”

    I’ll call you out. That’s bullshit, and you DO use multiple user names. What happened to Touchdown Tommy after it was obvious TT was Chuck and everyone called Chuck on it? Haven’t seen Touchdown Tommy around for a while. And what about Lurker John, Alleycat and Snnark? Haven’t seen them around, either. Curious, coincidence or is Chuck psycho?

    This is why Chuck’s blog is dying – it’s because nobody wants to blog someplace where the owner is using multiple user names to support his point, and editing what others say. It’s immature, and borderline psychotic. And now, Chuck’s stuck. If he brings back alleycat, Snnark, Lurker John or god forbid Touchdown Tommy, it’ll just kill his blog more. And if Chuck doesn’t bring them back for the blog hits, his blog will continue to die – especially if Berger stops blogging there. But Chuck knows all this, and that’s why he’s denying it.

    And Winder – what’s the difference between you saying 10-6, and telling us why, and me saying 4-12, and telling you why (ad nauseum)?

  173. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Far be it from me to defend Chuck, but those names, Alleykat, Snarkk and Lurker John have been around for a good while. Touchdown Tommy wasn’t Chuck either.

  174. winderNo Gravatar says:

    spit- the last thing I’m talking about is next year win-loss projections. I’ve already stated what and why I said what i said. I don’t need to explain myself anymore. Our posts speak for themselves.

  175. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear – Just because names have been around for a while doesn’t mean they aren’t Chuck. Chuck was using multiple names on the Chron, back in the day. Touchdown Tommy was definitely Chuck.

  176. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Why do you think it’s an “echo chamber?” Come on, NoFear. Use your brain.

  177. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    If you don’t need to explain yourself, Winder, then I don’t either. Go Michigan. Down with Jed York the lying fool! Niners 4-12 forever!

  178. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Spitblood, you’re too clever for your own good. Too clever by half.

  179. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear: Too clever by half is an attempt at being clever yourself and it came up short.

  180. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I blocked what I thought was someone who hijacked your name, Phil. I thought I was being helpful. When I saw it was you posting I left it. Simple as that. You left? Your prerogative.

    Spitty, it’s June. Most football blogs are pretty slow now. In my slowest day Though I get 100x the traffic you did. But yer too busy to run a blog. Right. But you have time to write 1000,000 screeds 10 times a day.

    The reason this blog gets traffic is because of the constant negative threads and the response to them. Yay. Whatevs. If someone has a viewpoint different than mine I’m fine with it. If it is v and his endless EDDIE JOE SHEEP oats, bye bye. My prerogative. Right, spit?

    I ain’t Jim Harbaugh. I don’t create Bullshit simply for the sake of turmoil. hey bakkentom might not be spitty, but he blinked off my site after barely any feedback from anyone and majically found a home here. Spiitty’s MO is to antagonize a blog until he’s a)completely ignored, or b) banned.

    Care to refute that spittenback?

  181. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Once again the ‘so are you, but what am I?’ defense from spitty.

  182. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, I was attacked and insulted by smug Homers on your site. That is why I am here. I see 5 to 7 wins. Many on this site realize it too.

  183. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Color me skeptical. About the Niners leadership big time. That won’t change until I see proof on the field. I’m not expecting it soon but go ahead, surprise me. Meanwhile skeptical/hostile is well deserved and I’ll be consistent. I note the rah-rah tone in local media lately but that’s just the herd and I’m not going to get fooled again. Prove it.

    As far as yacking on blogs we all have our choices where to go. I don’t run one and it’s not my job. Like everyone else I go where I feel most comfortable. Some people like to rabble rouse for the effect and who needs it. Multiple identities are a useless joke that backfires eventually. Who needs it.

    Herd mentality or echo chamber pick your poison. There is also ‘reality’ which reflects facts, actual conditions. Actually IMO the Niners have taken several steps back. For me that’s the reality.

  184. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bakkentom I’m an optimistic 7 win man myself. Love to be wrong but nobody here is trying to attack that POV except maybe some guys who post at both sites.

    I’m a Niner fan (Via GB, SD) since Walsh days. Just trying to figure what we have this year.

  185. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well Tom, what do winder and I get here?

    Conscientious objections? No.

    Berger left. Rob left. This after months of harassment by Bullit, NoFear, and like Skeebs.

    You got a couple negative comments because you were leaning to the hyperbolic after a few days. Which leads me to believe you had an agenda. But whatever.

    You act like you guys here are innocent lambs and the big g bad wolf. Much like St Jim the Magnificent.

    Read the posts.

  186. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Unca_Chuck with once again partial truths. Rob left a long time ago because I bullied him. There’s actually an 800 number for cyber bullying. Maybe Chuck can pass that along…. 800-273-8255.

    Reno left because he’s a Jed York fan. Jed York fans can’t add anything to any blog, anywhere. No chance.

  187. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I’m here because I like this blog and have for quite awhile. I usually don’t say very much but lately that’s not the case. I plan on sticking around for as long as I can.

  188. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Winder’s honestly the only one with any class in this joint…. and I hate him for it.

  189. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Your stupidity always keeps me coming back for more, spitty. Your last post is a prime example of someone with nothing better to do but post inanities.

    Why don’t you just quit jerking off here and either post with a sense of normalcy or just piss off. Like with Dennis, it just screams ‘help me’.

  190. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And take tom turnbuckle with you.

  191. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Spit I’m curious to see how McCloughan makes out in DC with an Owner like Snyder.

    I don’t despise Jed, I don’t praise him either.
    He’s a novice but, he’s light years ahead of Dr Daddy.
    It’s been my fear that Jed could be/become a meddler.

    Guys like Jerruh and Snyder would qualify in that regard, if not outright overbearing egotists.
    Jerruh feels he’s a GM, Snyder likely interferes with his GM.

    We’ve had our debates here, regarding Armstead over a WR this year.
    McCloughan made an interesting choice with his 1st DC Pick this year as well.

    Most every pundit with a Draft opinion, felt Leonard Williams was hands down, the best DL player in the Class this year.
    Scot opted for Scherff, who many feel may have to play inside at OG.

    Somewhat curious, we’ll see?
    Scot was known to consider the OG position as one that didn’t warrant a RD1 Grade while in SF.

  192. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Jed is light years away from John York? Are you kidding? John York was smart enough to know he knew nothing. He was smart enough to hire Walsh, and let Walsh pick his replacement (Donahue). Donahue wasn’t John York’s fault. Donahue was Walsh’s fault. Then John York hired Nolan, which wasn’t a bad move. In short, John York was smart enough to hire good people, and get out of their way until it was clear they weren’t doing their jobs. John York wasn’t a meddling owner.

    Read that again, NJ. John York hired people, good people, and got out their way until it was obvious he needed to intercede. Jed York is just the opposite. Jed York hires people who are good, then when they do their jobs, Jed York still fires them. And Jed York meddles and undermines his employees. Remember Singletary looking for the rat in house? Then Jed leaks like crazy to Fox and the NFL Network Harbaugh wouldn’t return.

    NJ – You say you don’t praise Jed York? Of course you do. If you can’t see that John York was or is a much better option than Jed, you’re blind. But you prefer to be blind.

    I’d take John York over Jed York 6 times a week and twice on Sunday. John York knows he knows nothing.

  193. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yes, that’s true. He said many times he didn’t believe in paying much for guards. It’s kinda strange, too. He had Larry Allen here when Gore set the NFC rushing record. And he had some decent guards and guard depth while he was here. Maybe drafting Chilo in the 2nd(?) round set it in stone for him.

  194. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Spit, Eddie hired Walsh.
    Get your timeline correct.

    I said, Jed = better than his Daddy.
    Daddy is a Medical/Lab guy by trade.
    Jed is an NFL novice but, he was able to get the Cap in order with the hiring of Paraag, if nothing else.

    John York was the same guy squeezing pennies, on such things as bottled water, along the way.
    Cheap comes from Daddy.

    If you can’t get my angle in this debate I can’t help you.

    I’ve stated that, given the dynamic between Baalke and Jed, I lean in the Baalke direction.
    He, at least had some excellent mentors along his path to becoming the GM.

    And yes, I’ve voiced my concerns about Jed staying out of the way numerous times.
    I’m not convinced he meddles but, who really knows the dynamic at work behind closed doors.

    Eddie was a beloved and respected Owner, for being a free-spending, engaged and concerned Owner.
    We can assume Jed isn’t Uncle Eddie in that regard.
    Sarcasm intended.

  195. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s not overlook the fact that Dr Daddy canned Mooch too.

    If you’re suggesting Daddy hired Walsh the GM, he wasn’t as strong in that capacity, as he was as a HC.
    Donahue was a whiff as his protegè as well, no debate.

    Simply suggesting that I DON’T want to see Jed becoming a Snyder or Jerruh clone as an Owner.

  196. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NoFear49er, I was scratching my head, when Leonard Williams was there for the taking, while Scot had the card in his hand.

    Curious whether Snyder influenced that selection or not?
    Many of the pundits had Mocked Scherff to the NYG.
    Would Snyder have the ambition to keep him away from NY?
    Who knows? It would fit the MO of Snyder to meddle, as I’m convinced he was responsible for swinging for the fences for RGIII.

    The NYJ had Leonard land in their laps, as I’d hoped Parker could have landed in ours, especially when Miami Traded for Stills shortly before the Draft.

  197. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NJ49er, I didn’t pay that much attention at the time. I see what you mean now. It doesn’t seem to fit the MO for the McCloughan we knew. I wouldn’t doubt that the HC and the owner were insisting on getting some protection for their QB.

  198. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeh NoFear49er, kinda strange for Scot I thought.
    Can’t dispute an OLine improvement, just the thought that many see Scherff as an OG.

    If RGIII doesn’t speed up the clock in his head and, realize he doesn’t have 20 seconds to decide what to do, no OLineman is gonna help him.
    I just thought, at the time, that Scot was gifted the top DLman in the Draft for his 1st Pick in DC and, I couldn’t understand why he wouldn’t have jumped on it.

    Then, I came to my senses and recalled who he’s working for 😀

  199. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, you’re a moron. You put the moron in moron. Really? Eddie hired Walsh? No kidding? “Get your facts straight?” I’m laugh at you. I piss in your general direction. John York hired Bill Walsh as the team’s GM, you dolt. Walsh was the GM or VP for 3 years (1999 – 2001) under York ownership.

    During that time, Walsh drafted guys like Andre Carter, Eric Johnson, Julian Peterson, Ahmad Plummer, Jeff Ulbrich, John Engleberger and others… After that, Walsh stuck around and was a consultant to the 49ers for 3 years…. most notably helping Terrell Owens be human.

    Walsh then, citing age and the need for a younger man to replace him, recommended to the Yorks that they hire Terry Donahue as Walsh’s GM replacement. John York went along with Walsh’s recommendation.

    He did this, again, because John York knows nothing about football, and that alone makes John York a much, much better candidate to run the team. Jed York thinks he knows… but Jed York is an idiot. Kinda like someone else I know.

    NJ – Class is dismissed.

  200. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I did suggest the distinction after posting my first response Spit.
    I stand corrected on not immediately grasping your GM phase intention.

    You do recall that Dr Daddy canned Mooch though?
    Which then resulted in the likes of Erickson’s hiring.
    Simply suggesting that Jed was an improvement over Daddy IMO.
    As usual, we’ll agree to disagree on this topic.

    The day you ‘school’ me is the day I’m too old and tired to think for myself.
    You’re quick to call me out but, I’m still a fan.
    Been one through good times and, bad times.
    Thought I’d read about your defection recently?
    No more 9er gear to hock?

    Carry on Geneous.

  201. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    So I’ll assume the blame goes on Walsh for Donahue?
    Just so I’m clear.
    Daddy was free and clear to get out of the way and, squeeze the budget on water, among other things.

    Point is, even Walsh whiffed on some decisions in his FO capacity.
    In your myopic view, Jed and Baalke need to go, I get it.
    Who assumes the reigns in that scenario?
    Dr Daddy and Denise?

    Many have called for Jed to pony up the scratch to retain Harbaugh.
    Pretty clear to most of us, the Yorks aren’t the free spenders Eddie was.

  202. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    And, let’s not forget who brought Gio Carmazzi aboard, while overlooking a guy named Brady.

  203. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Mike Rumph and Reggie McGrew didn’t make your list either?
    How’s that work exactly?


  204. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s a little Cheat Sheet for you to pin up around the Kingdom.

  205. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Opening game just got quite a bit harder: Adrian Peterson reports to Vikings camp.

  206. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Their record doesn’t quite jive with that assessment, spitty, but the 2000s were all about the damage Eddie Carmen and Dwight did at the end of their tenure.

    Backloaded deals and dead money took its toll as well. Throw in terrible drafts and you have suckage for years.

  207. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t worry about AP. We’ll beat him with a stick.

  208. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Looked at schedule and Giants, Falcon, Browns, and Lions we might be favored. Assuming loss of Suh and Fairley and addition of Haloti Ngata is a net help for us.

    If Bowman has problems coming back we could be as bad as 4 wins. Vikings and Packers weak on D so they drafted D in their early picks. We are weak on O so we draft D. Raji is back this season and Datone Jones should contribute big.

  209. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, their OC is Norv Turner and ours is a nobody with a record of failure. Vikings beat us like a drum. With a DLINE rebuild the ILB and CB are exposed. They have Mike Wallace and a Witten like TE weapons thru the air and AP on the ground.

  210. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    There’s always the possibility that Adrian Peterson pulls a Vernon Davis in 2014 and basically doesn’t try. I can see the headlines now, “Has All Day Lost It?” “Should AP RETIRE?” Nope… He just needs to get paid…. or play for another team.

    And look at NJ and Chuck both apologizing for Jed York and not responding to my central claim. In light of me pointing out that John York was smart enough to hire people and then get out of their way without meddling, something Jed York will never be able to do, NJ goes completely off topic and writes that even Bill Walsh had some misses (apologizing for Baalke’s mistakes), and Chuck says the hiring of Walsh by York was “damage control.” Neither NJ or Chuck, the Jed York apologists, wants to take on the thesis that John York was a much better owner than Jed because John hired, for the most part, Singletary and Donahue as the exceptions, good people, then got out of their way and let them do their jobs.

    Jed York can’t do that. They did a “Football Life” on Jimmy Johnson. He talked about trading a certain player, and then the next day going to the press and hearing that Jerry Jones was taking credit for the trade and talking it up like the trade was Jerry’s idea. Then Jimmy went to Jerry and said, “What the heck?” Jerry’s response was pathetic. According to Jimmy, Jerry said something like, “When I make a billion dollars selling oil, nobody cares. If I sign a new stadium lease or whatever, nobody notices. But if I trade someone or acquire a new talent, everyone cares.” So Jerry was and is addicted to the power or interaction with the team’s nuts and bolts. Instead of being smart enough to let the football people make the football decisions, Jerry inserted himself into the process, lost Jimmy, and the Cowboys have sucked ever since.

    That’s exactly Jed York. But Jed York’s even worse than Jerry. Jed York is a meddling owner who just lost his Jimmy Johnson (Jim Harbaugh), and like the Cowboys for the last two decades, the 49ers are going to suck, and suck some more. Get rid of Jed York and you’ll stand a chance.

  211. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    “The Dynasty Will Prevail…..”


    Eddie D: “Great Head Coach, with a great staff.” Eddie D also said later Harbaugh needed an extension.

    Jed York is no Eddie D.

  212. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dr. Dork was a dipshit. He set the tone that cost cutting was the ONLY way to run the team. Yeah, they were in cap hell, but they could have done a better job of things.

    Dork couldn’t cobble together a stadium deal when it was handed to him on a platter. Dr. Dorkian blew the deal that could have kept the team in the city by letting the Eddie deal expire. W/o Jed, you are looking at the Long Beach 49ers.

  213. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    Jed York didn’t get the stadium deal done in Santa Clara. Jim Harbaugh did. Investors lined-up to get that stadium deal done once Harbaugh was hired. I rememeber writing, at the time, “No Harbaugh, No Stadium. Know Harbaugh, Know Stadium.”

    And San Francisco, with Gavin Newsome, had a stadium plan in place to keep the 49ers in SF. Senator Diane Feinstein tried to block Jed York’s move to Santa Clara. Jed York was hell bent on Silicon Valley dollars because he saw the fight the Giants and A’s had over Silicon Valley. But Chuck wants to bed Jed York.

    If it wasn’t for Jed York, the 49ers would be where they should be – in SF.

    John York got cheap to get the 49ers books in line once again. It was a smart move – at the time. The salary cap was also a mess. Nobody is accusing the Yorks of being cheap now… at least I’m not. The issue isn’t being cheap or the stadium. But you can try to muddy the water all you want. The issue is that John York didn’t meddle. Jed York is a meddlin’ fool.

    Somehow, somewhere, it became acceptable for Jed York to be a hands on owner. We’ve all seen that hands on owners fail, and fail again. But for some reason, SF is tolerating Jed York’s desire to be a hands on owner. It’s a mistake.

  214. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Eddie D = Not hands on owner Spit?

    Jerry Jones = Not hands on?

    Which way are you playing this rant?

    Erickson was a better option than Mooch just so I’m clear?

    As Chuck & I both attempted to point out.
    Walsh as GM was a PR move.
    He compounded it with Donahue.
    Daddy was clueless,and cheap.

    Jimmy and Jerruh is the same to you as Jed and Harbaugh also?
    Talk about going into muddy waters.

    Jerruh needed the spotlight Jimmy created.

  215. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Revisionist history, eh? Dr. Dork was directly responsible for the SF deal being killed. But Hed gets shit for moving the team. Got skipwad.

    Like I said the deal was in place when Kedorkian took over. Parse that how you like, but the rest is utter bullshit. Per usual.

  216. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Spit Jed is a disaster but you are arguing with the apologists so I suggest you have stated the case well and leave well enough alone. Why flog the dead horse. Arguing with Chuck is a no win game for you- or for anyone.

  217. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    The way I remember it was everybody in San Francisco wanted the Niners to stay but nobody wanted to do anything to make that happen. The city treated the Yorks like shit and would hardly give them the time of day unless they agreed to use their money to build over a nuclear waste dump and include every manor of free and low-cost housing in the deal.

    Jed may have been the front man for the Santa Clara deal but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t forging ahead on his own with anything that wasn’t in the owners’ plans. Besides there are plenty of folks still bitter over what they consider lies and dirty politics to get that deal by the SC citizens’ groups who opposed it.

    Choose your heroes and villains as fits your interpretation, as always. The Yorks ended up living high(er) off the deal (all of them), and the fans ended up paying huge fees for the privilege of watching a JV crew take the team to 8-8.

    Tell me where I’m wrong. Oh, nevermind the invitation, no need for formalities.

  218. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Last I checked in to the Childrens Ward one of the topics was ‘Herd Mentality’. NF brought this up and said in effect “People who follow the herd are always wrong in the long term because they are always reacting to what the current media line of the day is. And it always changes like the wind”. Correct me as needed NF.

    Well here’s a good example of the current herd mentality spelled out in hyperbolic terms by a blogger Phil C (who I hasten to add is NOT Phil Fan). You want optimism? Here ya go, in spades to an absurd degree:

    Unicorn Pink Ponies to the rescue.

  219. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dr. York sat on the deal til it expired. Hr thought is was too expensive.

    That’s what killed the deal.

  220. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The ensuing bullshit is what happened after the original deal Eddie and Slick Willie worked out, expired.

  221. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Agree NF the SF faction did little to make the deal palatable for the Yorks with extra padding for unions, political interest groups (low income housing subsidies) and general political opportunism. How the Giants did it I don’t know but Yorks after 20 years or so said “Enough”. Hence Santa Clara.

    I agree splitting hairs as to York 1 and 1A is useless. The situation they inherited with salary cap blown up, depleted roster to some degree, “Dump Steve Young” rampant in 1988, Walsh recommending Donohue (his biggest mistake), then firing Mooch- all this contributed to a Niner implosion.

    Now they have a stadium built by Jimi and no other but now have a JayVee coaching staff, foolishly. Was it a money move or just Ego? Probably just York ego.

    Flog your pink ponies all you want if you need to believe this had to be. And there will be no fall off.

  222. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Look any of you like Unca_chuck who hold on to hope that Jed will just someday become a winner you’re smoking crack! Some like Chuck believe that excuses are just made for everyone and anything but please spare us the Jed is Eddie and those few phone calls should convince the rest of us of that. Eddie would’ve done a back flip off his rocking chair if Jed told him over the phone that he was going to hire Mike Singletary as the 49ers new head coach. I know a lot of you just want to believe no matter what the facts are but Jed is a little, spoiled rotten punk, with no class or integrity and most importantly no character to ever be a winner.

    Remember the day he mindlessly hired Singletary and anointed that fool our new Head Coach with that stupid grin on his face? Like as if he just hired Bill Walsh, like he was the wise man of the NFL. I understand dealing with Unca_chuck all these years that anyone would be supported and defended but anyone with a monkey’s brain would know this move was doomed for failure. Harbaugh’s hiring was good up until a few weeks later when he was forced by Jed to ditch that effort in searching the world like Pete Carroll did in Seattle to find a real QB. I was on his side until he said his search was over Alex Smith’s his guy! This had Jed’s influence written all over it. Then just before Harbaugh was fired after the Seahawks smoked us, York tweeted: “Thank you 49ers faithful for coming out strong tonight. This performance wasn’t acceptable. I apologize for that” What a cheap shot by an absolute punk who took to twitter like a little girl. He should have spoken privately to coach Jim Harbaugh, should have looked Harbaugh in the eye and told him the effort was unacceptable instead of acting like a little pansy.

    Sorry but nothing will change with the 49ers until the York’s are completely removed. Until that day comes let’s at least keep it real around here shall we? There losing track record since the hi-jacking shows they don’t care and are only interested in making money and fooling the faithful by tugging on their hearts and riding the coat tails of the great memories of our glorious past. Harbaugh was a pond they used to get the stadium built and now it’s back to hiring anyone without an intelligent thought or having a winning plan. It is hard to respect Jed York when his behavior is petulant, immature, rude, insensitive, and unprofessional while he acts like a little spoiled punk. Sadly if it takes me to point out the difference between a Eddie own football team and the Jed York illusion show then 49ers traditions of our great past was just a dream to you and it never really happened.

    All the proof you need to know is if Eddie were still our owner Erickson, Nolan, Singletary, Alex Smith, Kaepernick and the rest of these losers would’ve never been on our football team to begin with. Plus with Eddie running the show fans like Unca_chuck would never have to decipher the difference between a wrong and right move.

  223. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Phuil, WTF does Steve Young in 1988 have to do with the stadium deal in 2006?

    The Giants did it with corporate sponsorship. It’ll be paid off w/in a year or 2.

  224. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Common wisdom says: “Never fight with a pig (troll) as the pig loves it and you just get dirty”

    The herd mentality is bad enough but when you couple that with the multiple user ID syndrome we see with some here = you really got sumptin’.

  225. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, Eddie got caught, v

    It’s like bemoaning Joe for getting old. Move on, skippy. There are many villages looking for a qualified idiot.

  226. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of S Young, must have had this play on my mind. Not the classic Lon Simmons call but Madden on this one:

  227. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, yer never alone with a schizophrenic, Phil.

  228. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Unca_chuck, Eddie did get caught the funny thing is you act as if you never been busted! Do you remember in 75 you bringing your 73 Gremlin to our muscle car show begging us to let you join? You wouldn’t take no for an answer so you went back your camper resting on four rusted rims and decided to make some hash oil for quick cash to buy a real muscle car, sadly you use your portable stove to heat the butane and oil and the explosion burnt your home right down to the rims. The Police charge you based of on Hazmat teams conclusion stating the fire was chemically ignited. Do you want us to call you a criminal for trying to sell drugs to kids in your trailer park?

    Joe getting old? No this has nothing to do with Joe getting old and everything about you not believing that if Seifert put the Greatest Quarterback of all time in the NFC Championship game against the Cowboys not only would he had won that game, we would have another Super Bowl as well. I mean you mindlessly believed this even after Joe’s Four Super Bowls performances and his playoff record. You also thought so little of the 49er faithful that they wouldn’t had rocked Candle Stick like an earth quake and sent Jimmy and his guarantee back to Big Pee sniveling like little Cowgirls. Remember this Chuck you never put personal feelings of pity for someone like Steve Young over winning the Super Bowl, NEVER!!!

  229. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    2 guys that were extremely involved, with the Santa Clara Stadium project coming to fruition, Gideon Yu and Paraag Marathe.

    No doubt, Harbaugh put the cherry on top but, this project was well defined before his arrival.

    And, a little satire from South Park to top it off.

  230. Sir Spitblood from GeneoushireNo Gravatar says:

    I agree with NoFear that there wasn’t a huge push in SF at the time for a stadium deal but that was 2010. Not exactly a great time economically to look to get a stadium deal done, and like I’ve written several times, it wouldn’t have gotten done without Harbaugh.

    However, Gavin Newsome did submit several proposals to the Yorks for an SF stadium, with the Dorks declining. Albeit, the Hunter’s Point contamination zone from Three Mile Island hell wasn’t exactly prime real estate, but if the Dorks wanted to stay in SF, at another location, they could have… no problem. It wasn’t like Candlestick wasn’t serviceable for another year or two. The Dorks were just hell bent on Silicon Valley bucks. Does Jim Tomsula cater well to that crowd?

    And Chuck’s claim the 49ers would have moved out of the area is about as dumb a Chuck statement as there ever has been, and folks, that’s saying something. I mean, you gotta do some work to get on that top 10 list.

  231. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Much of the stalemate to remain in SF came from Mayor Newsome.
    He dragged his feet and, sought housing and other requirements, to be attached to the Stadium Project.

    He attempted to lure the Summer Olympics in his version of the Plans as well.
    All sorts of obstacles played a hand in the slow approval crawl to pass the Project, most of it attached to Newsome, and the Political Machine.

  232. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Santa Clara wanted it more than SF did.
    Thank the Politicians I guess?

  233. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    This explains how the stadium came to be.

    The major financing was approved after the Niners started winning under Harbaugh. That is the timeline.

    “In December 2011, the final piece of the stadium proposal was completed. The Santa Clara City Council formally supported the franchise’s proposal to borrow $850 million from Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and U.S. Bank. In addition to the $850 million, the NFL agreed to loan the 49ers and the city of Santa Clara $200 million through a “G-4” stadium loan on February 2, 2012. With over $1 billion in funds to build the stadium, the 49ers commenced construction on the stadium in early 2012, breaking ground on April 19, 2012”

  234. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit what’s the reason for the MNF/TNF restrictions?

    They obviously played on Thanksgiving?

    Traffic regulations of some kind?

  235. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    They wanted to get on top of traffic patterns before they unleashed it on weekday commute traffic.
    They made certain streets became one way to help the traffic flow. The delay was to figure this out.
    Thanksgiving night was a holiday so no commute traffic.

  236. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Gotcha – Thx
    Didn’t know that until reading your article.

  237. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Not sure if Rexs story about the guy bringing a Gremlin to the muscle car rally and then burning down his camper in a drug fiasco is true or not. Might be. That worries me.

  238. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No, NJ, the original plans submitted by Eddie and Slick Willie were all about the retail/stadium deal all rolled up onto one big cluster f(*&$ that would revitalize Bayview/Hunter’s Point. Eddie WAS a real estate developer. Once Dr. York bollixed that up, there was talk of the olympics, and by then everything was hosed. I thought they should have shit-canned the retail and tried to keep the stadium, I mean who would go to Hunter’s Point and go shopping? I mean I know Redding Rex and Spitty troll for trannys and crack but hey, whatever floats your boat. Regular shopping? Right. Me and my colt are going shopping in Bayview.

    No V, I never got busted with $400,000 in cash with the intent to bribe a public official. No felonies. You Still in your busted-ass trailer? Or did grandma throw you out?

    Phil, you are really losing it.

  239. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Says the most hated man on this blog. Glad to see you paying attention. Obsessively. Good catch on the S Young comment. Just testing troll bait. How’s your internet usage stats working for you? Drive those numbers, drive ’em.

    Let’s see: Does anybody love them some(Winder)(Snarkk)(Lurker) Chuck? Anybody?

    Now Bullit gets to comment w/o chronic trollboy in his face as many here are coalescing around the meme “It’s not just Jed we scorn”.

  240. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, I got a big laugh in that article NJ49er linked to, there was a comment about the mayor of Santa Clara being a big city mayor.

    When I lived in that area the Santa Clara city limits signs were just a courtesy really. You lived there or went to school there in those days IIRC.

    I guess it’s true nowadays but the only place we even called the city in those days was San Francisco.

  241. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck you guys would know the area at Hunters Point much better than me.
    Gotta assume when you start dealing with real estate formerly involving heavy shipyard activity, EPA parameters likely play a huge part in restoration/reclamation efforts?

    NYJ were going to consider a stadium out here on the waterfront that had been home to heavy industry years ago.
    I recall reading that the EPA wanted crazy coin to be invested for cleanup before approvals were provided.

    We’ve got so much pollution out here, related to heavy industry it’s ridiculous.
    Companies moved along, leaving the contamination behind for the next guy.
    Meantime, the folks that live in those areas see their property values tank, health issues compounded, and life in general, just get eroded beneath their feet.

    Heck of a process.

  242. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s one of the hot button topics Christie is getting grilled on currently.
    Legal actions have had this tied up in Court for over a decade.
    His Administration is being accused of slipping in the back door, prior to a settlement ruling, to allow Big Oil to skate for pennies on the dollar.

  243. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Christie can’t balance a budget to save his life.
    He’s constantly looking to rob Peter, to pay Paul.

    Politics out here is simply The ‘New’ Mob with Executive Privileges.
    Much of the Sandy Relief Funds can’t be accounted for either.
    Believe it not, there are numerous people still without a penny, or a home, since that storm hit.
    We’re going on 3 years already.

    Gov took care of the Shore though, that’s where the money is.

    Politics at it’s finest.

  244. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Kinda dated but, this gives you a good taste –

  245. ReddingRexNo Gravatar says:

    Unca_chuck, when talking about someone with class and integrity the York’s don’t possess any of these humane qualities. They would do practically anything for money and very little image and tradition. This backwards philosophy is the opposite of that guy you call a criminal on a daily routine.

    I understand anything goes and anything is accepted in your walking zombie world but Santa Clara is not San Francisco and Jed and his family made the SF in the middle of Levi’s Stadium is basically fiction and a complete joke. This really is a slap in the face to those who say they’re fans and who should care but never would wave a flag of discontent.

    When Jed moved the 49ers to Santa Clara he basically gave up home field advantage and the mystic and the connection that fans once had at Candlestick Park. When dealing with someone like the York’s especially a young little spoiled punk who actually thinks he deserves to be in the position that he’s in but wouldn’t be there unless Eddie didn’t hand it to him on a silver platter. Like Harbaugh leaving because him and Jed no longer agreed and got along with one another. I mean forget that mutual decision crap, he didn’t like Harbaugh because he wasn’t listing to him no more so out he went. Notice quickly he hired a puppet that would do exactly what he is told?

    What’s this say about us when a man like Jimmy Johnson would never come here because he wouldn’t have the freedom to do things his way and make tough, manly, decisions that would ultimately make us a contender.

    Like Alex Smith days good luck to anyone who takes over as Head Coach because it would have to be someone gutless and without human pride. He also will have to live or die with overpaid and overrated Kaepernick a coach killer. This is what happens when someone who shouldn’t be making critical decision make them without even surrounding them selves with those who can.

  246. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yes NF Santa Clara was still quite rural back in the 60s when I was there. Still had orchards and farmland around and little air pollution. Drive south a bit and it was countryside right away. Times have changed and little Santa Clara is now ‘big city’? I never imagined an NFL team would be playing out of there for sure. I hear a pro team is down there now, right?

    When were you in the area NF?

    Got a laugh a few years ago when driving around Orange County and was shocked to see an actual orange grove. Same thing in Santa Clara are now?

  247. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Doesn’t look like RayMac’s life is going to get easier anytime soon.

  248. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yes it’s too bad the Niners didn’t capitalize on their success in the 80s with a new stadium in SF. Santa Clara is better than LA or wherever but tradition got smacked. Only thing going to rebuild trust and a winning tradition is…winning.

    Hoping the Warriors can bring another championship to the Bay starting Thursday night.

  249. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Ray Mac had his chances and I’m glad the Niners gave him a ‘last chance’. The man needs to face his addiction to alcohol and deal with his anger. That’s not easy but others have done it NJ so he can too. If he is sincere and gets help/support.

    Questions for Ray: “Is your life manageable? Do you have power over alcohol and anger? Or do they over you?

    I’d say he needs to stabilize around those issues and then ‘maybe’ on playing pro ball.

  250. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hard to see this sort of thing happen to anyone Phil.

    Had a buddy that hit the skids hard, after the Wall St meltdown occurred.
    He and many others got bounced onto the street.

    Not only did he lose his well paying job on WS, he couldn’t find gainful employment in the aftermath.
    Hopped around from one meager paying job to another waiting and hoping something would surface again in the Financial Market.

    He’s since lost his home and is facing a divorce due his drinking.
    Tough thing to overcome when life starts to cave in on you.

    I wish Ray well, certainly.

  251. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    But, as you suggest, you can’t control the circumstances that put you here, you need to get control of the things you can control.

    For some, the circumstances consume them.

  252. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, Phil, sixties and earlier. Was back a few years ago and needed a guide. An interpreter wouldn’t have hurt, either.

    NJ49er, Obama’s been good at throwing money at everything that makes people unhappy. He’s been terrible at accounting for who/what/how the money goes.

    The feds wouldn’t be after your governor if they thought he was as much of a Dem as most of the rest of the country does. I guess you’d have to be in NJ.

    Is that FEMA money for rebuilding loans or give away grants? Might as well have given it to Edi Amin and think we were helping the starving and homeless or something equally naive.

    Sounds great in the press release/publicity stunt but no one ever follows up and demands an accounting.

    I wish they’d have spent half the money and half the time investigating Hillary, Benghazi and Bergdahl they spent trying to hang Christie over a couple days of bridge traffic.

  253. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeh NoFear49er, the business of Politics makes me sick.
    Sandy mismanagement is everywhere, from the top to the bottom.
    FEMA = Federal Excuse Making Agency.

    Add to that, Christie’s own administration screwing the process.
    Pathetic to think there are people out here still homeless, bound and gagged by red tape, for going on 3 years.

    Christie’s Bridge-capades are just the tip of the iceberg.
    It runs into corruption territory due to the appointees he put in place.
    Long, LONG story which is still playing out.
    One important ingredient surrounding the GWB is, it’s ties to the NY/NJ Port Authority.
    The very same Agency that manages bridges, tunnels and the World Trade Center.

    Many a conspiracy theory around these parts, surrounding the Towers, and those that own and profit from the real estate they sat on.

    This shoe hasn’t dropped yet either.
    Hoboken and Sandy relief money tied to private developers who work in Christies’ administration and the Port Authority itself.
    One BIG cesspool of alleged corruption.

  254. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    This is the Lead Weasel in the Bridge lane closures.
    A guy put into a $150K/yr position that was created for him.
    Apparently, he went to high school with the Gov.

    Again, the real estate where the GWB connects to Fort Lee NJ is Primo Grade, highly desirable property, waiting to be developed in close proximity.
    Connect the dots, find out who stands to profit and, there’s a good chance it touches someone connected to Christie.

    Sickening to those of us traveling on roads and bridges that are falling apart and in dire need of repair.

  255. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    The sad reality in the FEMA payouts for Sandy Relief is, much of the money was improperly paid out.
    Confusing paperwork and processes got some folks paid twice, others, not at all.
    No accounting.
    No control.

    Have I mentioned how much Politics makes me sick?

  256. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  257. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right, but let’s spend money for tanks we don’t need. And $35 billion airplanes.

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09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
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