Treading Water

The CBA talks got nasty late yesterday, setting today up with a do or die scenario. I do not want to discuss it, though. Boring stuff. We’ll just have to wait and see what we’ll be dealing with.

Most of the world’s attention will be on Japan today, after last night’s 8.9 quake, which also triggered tsunami warnings for the West Coast. That’s us, folks. It probably isn’t a good day to go surfing, unless you’re dying to ride a really, really, REALLY big one. And I do mean dying.

These CBA bickerers are going to look pretty silly huffing and puffing about money today while cities and islands are getting evacuated and flooded. Not that these self-important suits would grasp the issue. They’re lost in their own spitwad fight, resembling late night bloggers on an Alex Smith thread. The ALL CAPS guys.

The draft is still six weeks away, but by now the 49ers have probably 95% of their board already set to go. This was the time last year that Scot McCloughan got his office cleared out, but it did not unsettle anyone at Centennial Blvd. Not sure if McCloughan would have drafted the same guys Trent Baalke did, but the board ratings each of them looked at to make their choice from would have been identical. McCloughan’s last two drafts were pretty shaky, so it’s probably good Baalke was doing the choosing.

It’s tough to know where we’re headed this off season right now, so I’m going to check out early this morning, see how the day unfolds, and check back in as the rumors or hard news comes Twittering in. Keep your fingers crossed, Outsiders. If all goes well, we’ll be back in business soon. Otherwise, I’ll be dusting off my file of kangaroo jokes over the next many days and weeks. Those files have dust for a reason, and it’s not a good one.

UPDATE: NFLPA has decertified. Screw them all.

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca’s sight has gone epicene. Somebody is using my name to post and unca just let’s it happen. The liberal has lost control of his sight. These things are typical for liberals. I’m sure it is George Bush’s fault.

  2. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    God bless the people in Japan.

  3. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Unca promotes his site as a place of anarchy and that’s what he’s got now. The worst crime a blogger can commit, in my opinion, is to heist the identity of another blogger and pervert it. The biggest offender is Guest on the Insider. He’s POS #1 in blogland. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s polluting Chuck’s site now. That’s his style, although it looks like V is the main culprit.

  4. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs- Here’s my opinion of what is most likely happening right now in the CBA negotiations. De Smith is Mr Big Shot Lawyer and has come in to save the humanity against the evil owners. He comes with ties to Washington, including Obama. He has wanted this to go to court from the very beginning. Contrary to reports, I believe the owners wanted be able to call for an impasse, not a lock out. A lock out was possible but not the first choice. This situation is fluid and some changes have occurred.
    Everybody thinks the lock out insurance ruling has changed the game, and it could if this thing goes long term, but the owners have to pay that money back in future contracts. I don’t believe that ruling has changed much. Smith still wants to go to court and the owners still want to claim an impasse. The first side to walk away from negotiations loses.
    So here is what what we have morphed to, for the owners to claim an impasse they will need to keep negotiating and not wavering on this. The union wants the owners to quit so they can decertify and go to court. This means both sides need to give the illusion of negotiating. Therefore, expect another extension. Hopefully, while they are trying to fake us out they will accidentally strike a deal. Don’t laugh, it could happen. I believe the mediator understands this situation. You can hear both sides calling each other out for not being genuine, and they are both correct.
    The thing is the way one side wins in court is for the other side to walk out. Both know this and might screw their plans up by actually striking a deal. Expect one or more extensions.

  5. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I let it happen? Fuck that, Reno. I don’t man the site 24/7. I don’t get paid to man the site. I started it because I was sick of fricking V and the troll bullshit at the insider. The fact that he finally migrated to my site isn’t surprising, but blogspot offers NO recourse in response to trolls and assholes who choose to ruin it.
    You know what? I know who is doing it. It is NoFear. I’ve had my suspicions for a while now, and I accused him yesterday (on yout previous thread) of blasting my site, and 30 minutes later, he posts his 15 posts under different names.
    I can’t believe yer such a fricking weenie, Reno. Don’t blame the guy fucking up the site. Blame the moderator.

  6. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I blamed it on George Bush, just for you.

  7. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Good for you, Reno. Like V says, it’s all everyone else’s fault. Point fingers and whine.
    I thought you were a little bit more of a stand-up guy, but oh well. Hide behind labels.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The reality is you let this happen on your site and then bitch about others complaining. If it was my site those posts would be deleted the moment I saw them. But then, I believe in keeping scores on kids little league games. I am not a conforming member of this liberal society.

  9. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I saw the posts this morning, Reno. There’s 20+ posts. It takes more time than I have. Like I said, Blogspot offers no recourse to blocking idiots like V or NoFear or whoever it is.

    Given that blogspot has the feature of posting under any name by anyone, there’s little I (or they) can do. THEY aren’t willing to look at the issue. Therefore, I’m fucked.

  10. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve deleted MANY MANY posts by V when I’ve been able. More than you’ll know. I didn’t go to my site last night. Get it?
    Sue me. I’ll bitch about you complaining when you turn it political. Like i said, i do this for fun. It was, until recently when NoFear got a bug up his ass to ruin my site.

  11. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    When is today’s deadline? Yesterday’s comments certainly don’t instill any confidence of something getting done. Well, it’s shit or get off the pot time for me. I don’t want to see another extension. If the union is going to decertify, do it now and move on. I’m sick and tired of this crap.

  12. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    9:00 PST (midnight on the east coast), Dennis.

  13. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    In the immortal words of TO, if it smells like a rat . . .
    Funny thing is, when called out on your ridiculous opinions, just like V, most of the time you lash out like a 5 year old.
    Another funny thing is, when you post here, more often than not, I get posts on my blog from V or his many incarnations within 10 minutes. If it’s a coincidence, hey, my bad. Frankly I could give a rat’s ass. If it is you, well, you really need to get a life, skippy.

  14. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I asked for it? I don;t mind the odd diversion now and then, but I didn’t sign up for your repetitive rants regarding Joe, Steve, EDDIE! and BILL! I told you deleting them was at my discretion. I’ve tried to keep up, but it wasn’t fast enough for Reno, apparently. You hijack his name and he gets pissed at me. Funny.

    God, it must be lonely back there, NoFear. I’m sorry you have whatever affliction ails you, but stay off my blog, please.

  15. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Shit. Players have decertified. End of negotiations.

  16. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    It’s all up to the suits and ties now. We still have the Draft. After that? Fill out your brackets. It’s March Madness.

  17. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    It had to happen Skeebs. The players had ZERO options at this point.

    Then again they are puxhing their own agenda to the wall with wanting 10 years of financial statements from the players.

  18. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Uh, 10 years of financials from the respective TEAMS . . .

  19. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I think the players just made a big mistake. We shall see.

  20. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    PFT reports that free agency could begin at midnight, along with player trades. I’m all in for that one. Business as usual while the two sides haggle it out in court with none of us concerned about who wins.

  21. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Von Miller has joined in on the anti-trust suit. Let us say you are an NFL owner, would you draft somebody who is suing you? I wouldn’t. It will be interesting to see what happens to him on draft day.

  22. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wahhh! Whine, you little bitch. If you didn’t notice, I’m fine with Spitblood. He’s nominally humorous. Yer a pompous humorless f*cking drag.
    Eat it, skippy. Yer just a little keyboard bully with nothing much to offer. You start shit and never own up to it. F*ck off.
    Just admit yer V and be done with it.

  23. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    If you registered, I wouldn’t delete you, skippy.

    At least that way I’d know yer posting as you.

  24. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, it’s funny how owners used to treat players like cattle. If they were hurt, they were discarded like empty hotdog wrappers. Unions were created for a purpose. They’ve evolved into something completely different, but the underlying principle was to provide protection for the workers.
    The end game you describe is what almost happened to baseball.
    The owners may feel they are right. And they want to push this to the wall. But the end game? No Greement, no games.

  25. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Players are widgets. Period. End of story. When they figure that out this will get done. They are all high and mighty these days because they hired an Obama buddy. Liberals ruin everytrhing all the time. No exceptions. Keep whining Unca, you liberal. You can’t even control your own blog.

  26. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Of course, the press won’t report the players are widgets unless it is for the purpose of getting the general population on the union’s side. Why? Of course, they are union too! Liberals, just like brainwashed UncaChuck.
    It has to be embarrassing to be a liberal like Unca with is nose up Obama’s butt. Unca loves his liberals and defends them daily. Remember, Hitler was a liberal, government good, corporations bad, just like Obama and Unca.

  27. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I’d like to say this directly on your site, but I do not trust it anymore. I’m done posting on your site. Too much liberal mayhem. You got what you promoted, just like Obama will get his too. The Tea party sees it, you can’t. You are incapable. I do not know a single Tea Party member, but I do understand. Very predictable Obama’s demise, except for liberals. Everything is hard for liberals. They couldn’t soften shit with Doselax. That is you, you brainwashed idiot.

  28. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Let us see a list of failed countries because of Liberalism. Germany, England (lost the world bench mark for the monetary standard), Argentina, Yugoslavia and Greece. And next, Spain and America. Thank you Liberals. You fuck everything up. We can’t even keep score for little league baseball in a lot of areas. Does a paddle even exist in a high school coach’s office anymore? Liberals, you can’t live with them and you can’t kill them. We are all fucked, even the liberals, they just can’t see it.

  29. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Last comment tonight, I hope. If the owners would have walked away from the table I would side for the players. Since the players walked away from the table I am now siding with the owners. Go owners, punk the widgets. I am willing to have no football next year to punk the widgets that walked away from the negotiations, than to have a flawed product like the country of Greece. Can anmybody say UFL and Arena League? If the NFL goes away the 49ers finish 5-0 in Super Bowls, the most wins by an undefeated team. I would not cry if the NFL goes away.

  30. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- I was thinking what De Smith is probably after is Obama’s help for some kind of GM takover of the NFL. It would be difficult because the NFL does not need to be bailed out, but then there are anti-trust laws.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like I got a little prolix with my blog time last night. But after reading it this morning, I like it! I hope I offended some Liberals.

  32. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I’m sure you offended at least one anyway, Berger. Unfortunately, the one you offended will never stop responding back to you until he has had the last word, so I may have to shit can the political yap at some point.
    Normally, I’d shit can the political talk on general principals. Not because I’m a liberal or a conservative, but because I think politics is a disgusting, boring, and useless preoccupation that football blogs provide some respite from.
    I suppose that could be viewed as a political view called “Who cares which crook has his hand in your wallet this year?” Neither political party is going to do away with taxation or lying or power tripping. Everything else is just bullshit for the masses to argue insanely about.
    However, this is a time when people probably need to vent their anger a bit, so I’m taking a liberal view of it. If it gets out of hand, I’ll take a conservative view.
    Let’s try to discuss the NFLPA vs the NFL without wedging politics into the debate. Surely there are other analogies available to enhance one’s point of view.

  33. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Nuclear power plant in Japan just blew up.

  34. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs- When the NFLPA is a union and that is hot topic these days it ties into politics.
    Unca seems to have fixed his site problem. I was red hot mad yesterday because he was allowing people to hijack names, including mine, and post said hijacked names. I have other concerns with his sight, but that was the big one yesterday. Basically I was telling to take control of his sight or I’m gone. If I posted those posts there nobody would’ve known if it was me or somebody else.
    I’m sorry for using your sight to talk to him but I did not trust his. I’m going to send you an e-mail.

  35. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    That nuclear power plant in Japan didn’t blow up because of the liberals or conservatives. You wanna know why that nuclear power plant blew up in Japan? I’ll tell ya why…
    It was all Alex Smith’s fault!

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    God do I miss constructive football discussion.

    Politics be damned, it’s a no win situation no matter how you look at it.

    Why else would each Party spend multi-millions to get their candidate elected POTUS for 400K?

    Money buys DC influence and voters.

    Hanging Chads in FL anyone? Flaming BS.

  37. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I find this headline from PFT very interesting:
    “NFLPA lawyer was a Judge Doty law clerk.”
    I’m sure we won’t hear about this in the mainstream media as they are complicit with the mess this country is in and they will just protect their fellow union members.

  38. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    For what it’s worth, I’m the NFL mailing list –

    Dear NFL Fan,

    When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players’ union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

    Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players’ union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

    The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

    It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

    We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

    While we are disappointed with the union’s actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

    Roger Goodell

  39. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    And for the record Chuck,

    I wasn’t posting on your site the last couple if nights either, but someone opted to use my name as well.

  40. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    And under OpenID Chuck – I couldn’t be verified on your site now? –

    I’d assume someone already has my name? Sorry, won’t work for me if that’s the case, I’ve used it for years, won’t change now.

  41. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, I got the same letter from Roger two days ago. Roger, you, the owners and players can all go stick it. I don’t give a rat’s ass what your problem is. If you and your brethren (damn horse took a dump in the TB Derby) can’t figure it out, go fly a kite well. I’ve paid more than my fair of dues to the NFL. Two words: Play Ball

  42. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Del I hear you. I put a novel on the SFGate site about a relative of mine already being furloughed at 25% by the NYJ.

    And this is a Team owned by Mr. Johnson & Johnson himself.

    Sad state of affairs. We’re all being priced out of the picture while they squabble over who gets more millions.

  43. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Where the hell are our team leaders (Vernon, Gore, J. Smith, etc…) in all this mess? I don’t hear anyone saying a goddamn thing. Same goes for the other side with our ownership. Jed hasn’t said a goddamn word either.
    Somebody say something. Anything. Hell, lied to me. I just want to hear from you.

  44. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- It will be interesting to hear how many players are going to rush out at some point to say they play for the love of the game, or that they would play for free. Yeah, right.
    We all know bout the greedy ownwers but now we obviously have the greedy players too.

  45. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I guess Jed got my message. This was just released a few hours ago.
    Dear Fans,

    As I am sure you are aware, the Collective Bargaining Agreement —the contract between the NFL and the labor union representing the players—has expired. On Friday, the union filed for decertification and we have now entered into a lockout. Although this is not the outcome any of us wanted, the NFL remains committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process, which we believe is the fastest way to a fair agreement for both the players’ union and the clubs. The ultimate goal is to establish an agreement that is good for the long-term health of the league and provides a tremendous product for you, our fans.

    Please know that regardless of how this offseason unfolds the 49ers commitment to building a championship football team remains steadfast. As such, we will be prepared to take advantage of every opportunity within the league rules to be ready for a successful 2011 season.

    As you might expect, Trent Baalke and Coach Harbaugh, as well as their respective staffs, are working tirelessly to prepare for the upcoming draft. And, as in recent years, we will be inviting you to participate in the draft weekend excitement with our annual Draft Contest and Draft Day Party, which will be held on Thursday, April 28, 2011 at the Santa Clara Convention Center. In fact, to every extent possible, we will be operating with a business-as-usual attitude. So, this summer, keep an eye out for announcements inviting you to our annual Family Day and State of the Franchise, as well as additional Fan Forums.

    Throughout these labor proceedings, I will be committed to keeping an open line of communication with our entire fan base. Like me, you are all true fans of the NFL, so I encourage your patience and understanding during this time. And, of course, I thank you for your continued support of the San Francisco 49ers.


    Jed York
    President & CEO, San Francisco 49ers

  46. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I saw somewhere that the Bears are going to hold a private workout for Andy Dalton. They have Cutler. What the hell do they need with a QB? There’s already enough other teams in the market for a quarterback. We don’t need to compete with another one.

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Something I would like to see is the shared revenue among the League and the Clubs disclosed.
    As much as I can’t stand Jerry, I see no reason for him and other profitable Clubs subsidizing others, (Cincy for example), and not knowing where that money is being allocated.

    I would like to hear how the League intends for that money to be used. For instance, is it mandatory for Player salaries or is it a slush fund for overall operating costs?

  48. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Let’s see what we know about RB Nic Grigsby from AZ?

    Hails from Whittier CA and lit up his Pro Day.

  49. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Those vertical numbers are ridiculous, the 40 times are excellent too.
    Anyone seen him play? He’s got some very good stats and apparently can catch the ball too.

  50. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Del – The more I read and scrutinize the Draft Prospects, hard not to buy into Mr Harbaugh’s visit to TCU as a thumbs up for Andy Dalton.
    If we do select Mr Doolin’ Dalton, I’d guess Rd 3, I’m also gonna say we’ll likely bring his C Jake Kirkpatrick a Rd or 2 later if available.
    That would make improvements at 2 spots and, not require any lengthy ‘get acquainted’ time between the 2.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
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12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17