Tortoise vs Hare Redux

While the Seahawks, Cardinals, and Rams duke it out this year for NFC West supremacy, the 49ers will be involved in a whole different kind of competition. Two in fact. For one. they’ll be competing for the Number One pick in the 2017 Draft. But the other contest will probably be much more fun to observe.

That contest is with the Philadelphia Eagles and their GM, Howie Roseman. Much like GM Trent Baalke vs HC Jim Harbaugh, Roseman won a power struggle in Philly, firing both HC Chip Kelly and VP of Player Personnel Tom Gamble. The two guys threatening Roseman’s power position under owner Jeff Lurie. Kelly and Gamble both landed in Santa Clara and are now threatening Baalke’s position of power under owner Jed York.

Roseman then spent the offseason trying to prove he’s The Man by trading cornerback Byron Maxwell, linebacker Kiko Alonso, and running back DeMarco Murray — all three acquired by Kelly — along with a first, third, and fourth round pick in this year’s draft, plus a first round pick in 2017 and a second rounder in 2018. All to get up to the number two spot and draft QB Carson Wentz.

Not content to mortgage this year and next year for a QB who may or may not be worth a shit, Roseman also bellied up to the bar and spent $280 million in guaranteed dough to lock up key members of the current Eagles team and a slew of free agents.

Meanwhile, Baalke responded to these bold/insane moves by his counterpart in Philly by buying a couple of hamburgers and sleeping through the entire offseason. Apparently content to bet the 49ers’ future exclusively on the fate of the players he selected in his past four drafts.

Which one of these GMs will be vindicated over the next couple of years? One? Both? Neither? Who cares? The entertainment tableau of a bottom feeder franchise.

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48 comments on “Tortoise vs Hare Redux
  1. shoutrealoudNo Gravatar says:

    Trent Baalke is getting a reputation around the league as a General Manger who scares coaches away and gets them fired.

  2. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Eagles paid Suh money for Fletcher Cox DT. Wise move?

  3. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Eagles were 28th in points scored against them, 26.9 per game. So they loaded up at QB and what was left of high picks went to O.

    Sure looks like they will be drafting top ten in 2017.

  4. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    This is Baalke’s best chance to be ranked as only the 31st worst GM by the end of the season.

  5. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    TENN, JAX, and CHI have definitely improved and no longer in the top 10 sweepstakes.

    Jake Long LT would be a wise pickup for CHI, weak and poor depth at LT and RT. Bears D definitely got their front 7 in order.

    Dallas depends on a healthy Romo. BALT and SD need another year for the rookie class. NYG? Rams could fall back.

    But no doubt CLE and SF belong.

  6. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    We now have Calais Campbell-NT-Calais Campbell as one group for the base downs. Dial will be one DE for this year.

    How is ARI Calais Campbell in run support. A Mo for Armstead trade? We get the better player and NYJ gets much needed cap relief. Seems they really want Revis and Fitzpatrick.

    Can someone find and post PFT and other rankings of Calais Campbell in run support.

  7. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Done during draft time but good read. Reservations on two Ducks in run D.

  8. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    FYI 2015 draft we had 3 4th Rd picks. This year we had 3 early picks, then waited till a late 4th comp pick on Rashard Robinson.

    So chances of last year’s draft yielding for roster players is a lot better than this years. At least TB stopped drafting S for any of the high picks.

    Has TB been fired yet.

  9. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    An nfl.Com article as top link touts the no huddle offense for young QB’s out of the shotgun. Jim Kelly used this fast tempo during his heyday with the Bills during Montana’s time.

    Kap does not run a no huddle.

  10. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    I would fire TB at season end and hire Peyton Manning. If Chip has a problem with this, then his pudgy ass needs to be terminated as well.

    Jed agrees to stick to Democrap pay to play games for elitist silverspoons. We finally get out of the ice age and run a modern nfl offense, combining vertical and horizontal passing attacks.

  11. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Bucky Brooks on spread with no huddle should be something we see a lot with Chip Kelly. Even though it handcuffs DC’s so discourages blitzing it also makes reads easier with little disguising of coverages.

    It needs a QB with high football IQ. So Kap needs to be released and maybe pick up Nick Foles, waiting on his release from the Rams.

    Tom Brady has used this extensively to make up for poor receivers and poor oline pass blocking. Actually exactly like we have currently.

  12. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    If the statue Tom Brady can make the spread no-huddle work, then why not Nick Foles?

    The premium is on QB having good football IQ to handle a fast paced short and intermediate timing routes. A bonus for us, Chip Kelly is a football geek. No doubt all of the film on Brady’s spread, no-huddle has been digested.

    A lot happens with quick routes and reads. Freeze the LB’s and S’s with a strong running game and play action.

  13. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, TB is not content with the inaction, but complicit. His inactivity is condoned by Jed.

    His accomplishments this offseason, considering our record and roster talent, scream for him to be fired. He does not live in a bubble.

    Jed and the York family live in a bubble. Prick that.

  14. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    SF fans are yuppies, wussified, politically correct, and will turn themselves into pretzels to justify the status quo. A few will pay to fly a banner to attempt to Prick the elitist bubble. Chardonnay or zinfandel. Cappuccino or iced coffee.

    Philly fans are hard scrabble and if they have to, burn the house down. Cue the dire straits, “burning down the house”.

    TB and Jed can last forever, latte sipping MFers. Howie needs a bullet proof limousine, bullet proof vest, a legal will if Philly has to endure what we did this past season.

  15. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Choke on this Democraps. So 8 to 10 million Sanders supporters are going to Philly pre-Democrap convention to bern their house down.

    Just a warmup to what is in store for Howie.

  16. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    You can’t even spell Democrat.

    That’s understandable. You think nuclear war is important enough to vote for.

    “So you’d be okay with Japan acquiring nuclear weapons?”

    “Yeah, and South Korea too. What if there was a war? Wouldn’t that be GREAT!”
    The “let the ICBMs fly and let God sort us all out” school of foreign policy…

  17. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    RT, nuclear weapons from Iran to terrorists like ISIS is the big worry. Japan and South Korea are western, peaceful countries. You flunk the common sense test.

  18. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NN has a Chip Kelly Offense Resource Page by David Neumann. Details passing concepts and routes, as well as the reads.

    Foe OC and DC, it is a chess game. Film on all players on both sides of the ball. Who follows the detail and who effs up.

    Remember Aaron Curry, Seahawks picked at #5 of 1st rd, a workout warrior. Dumb. Poor play recognition, took wrong angles. Best LB in draft turned out to be a dud. I’m sure Curry had his fan club, even at the bitter end.

  19. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    MMQB has good article on Diller staying at espn. Will also do Sunday pre-game show with Matt Hassellback among others. Two QB’s with lots of knowledge.

    He likes Christian Hackenburg of NYJ to improve the most. Paxton Lynch and Cody Kessler need development but have great situations at DEN and CLE.

  20. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Chiefs are expanding into the St Louis broadcast market, filling the void left by three Rams exit. Makes sense. Not much travel distance across the state. Maybe they can use both stadiums and be Missouri’s home team.

  21. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    After all the FA dust settles the do nothing FO strategy works and we are number 1!

  22. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Expected CHI and OAK to come down after their FA haul and they did it work paying outrageous money.

    Surprised TENN is that low. Being the worst team and with stars on rookie contracts (OT Taylor Lewan, OT Jack Conklin, OG Chance Warmack, QB Marcus Mariotta, WR DGB). Injured Derrick Morgan must not be on his rookie contract. C Ben Jones and TE Delaney Walker cannot have cost much.

    CLE lost a lot of their big money FA’s.

    We are emulating JAX. Slow build from within and save FA money until finishing out the roster. Surprised that JAX still has that much cap space after Odrick, Julius Thomas, and the RT from last year and then this year’s Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, and Chris Ivory.

  23. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Look at this gif, not staley’s fault for steering the outside rush wide

  24. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Bakkentom if I’m Baalke I’m guessing the game is about self preservation.
    He’s a former Parcells guy being dictated to by football wannabe’s.
    He’s wearing a title.
    Nothing but a lackey.

  25. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    I love that gif. Gotta have a clock in your head. No way Staley’s edge rusher should have been a factor. Hit the receiver or throw it away. 100% on Kap and he got drilled, but team took the loss on sack and could have been a fumble.

    Did he get a concussion here. Did DE get a Helmut to chin penalty?

  26. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Since the 2012 stinker of a draft: 11 (2013), 12 (2014), 10 (2015), 11 (2016) is a lot of draft picks. Before making a final judgement, FO seems to want all picks to be assessed by the current coaching staff.

    First is to hold TB accountable. Second is to allow Chip to assess the talent for a rebuild of the O. Draft 2017 first 3 picks are LT, RT, and WR1.

    Is AD active or retired, does he fit the scheme. Bullit mentioned LSU’ Fournette as a Calvin Johnson. If we stink enough take him.

  27. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Fournette is a RB and the comparison was to Adrian Peterson.

    A good QB crop is in 2018

  28. Phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Interesting Tom = about the FO/owners wanting to evaluate Balkey’s drafts before making any changes. Is Balkey’s well known stubbornness keeping A Davis out of the building? Seems like a deadlock to me, a needless one. With Marathe and Balkey (?) hardassing players, coaches this does not look like the way to build a winning team, huh? Ownership wising up that bean counters and one football guy, a scout really, “stocking the team with talent” may not be the way forward? One can only hope.

    Does this ‘evaluating the GMs draft production’ have anything to do with the arrival of an experienced professional NFL level football coach? Not an OL coach or a college coach jumping to pro ball? We will have to read the tea leaves to try to find out. Between Chip and Tom Gamble here and with Marathe sidelined, perhaps York is getting some fresh input as to what the team needs…without the distractions of the Jimi personality. For the first time the GM may be at a strategic disadvantage vis a vis ownership.

    I agree concentrate on the O in the next draft where we are weak and thin after years of turmoil. I remain hopeful Chip can rebuild this beast into a winner eventually.

  29. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Both Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas need an acid test to get them to play to their draft expectations.

    Tank is more valuable to a 4-3 D and a trade for another player could be pursued. Saints have anyone we want?

    Remember Pete Carroll was changing Seahawks’ roster on a daily basis in his first year. We are stagnant.

  30. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Another draft with strong possibilities is BALT. Ozzie Newsome had 5 4th Rd picks.

  31. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Did anyone have as bad of a do nothing offseason as us. GB is notorious to rely solely on the draft. They resigned their FA’s to new contracts (Cobb, Bulaga among them) and picked up a playmaker TE Jared Cook who languished on the crappy O Rams.

    He will be Jermichael Finley 2.0. Zane Beadles is a subpar replacement for Boone, a capable LT so he actually could play 4 positions.

    More importantly we did not change personnel. Film for DC’s on everyone, including Chip’s O in Philly. Our D still weak against the run, especially with Williams and Dorsey out with injury.

    This is why we will not get more than 4 wins this season.

  32. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners are #1 !!!!
    #1 in unspent salary cap at $49.5 million.
    The talent deficiencies are being ignored by ownership and the F.O.
    While the team flounders the ownership now has the distinction of being the skinflints and cheap asses of the NFL.

  33. Phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    If Chip Kelly is not making noise/politely screaming to the FO/owner about the depleted roster, wasted draft picks (2012, ACL team, ignoring O in favor of D, etc, etc) then he is an idiot and will have earned a fair share of blame for a 4-12 season. $49.5 million in unused cap space may (or may not) be just fine with York but it is the HC who will earn a ticket out of town long before York goes. So Kelly should be making it clear behind the scenes that not using resources to upgrade roster will result in failure and he will be in a position to say “Told you so, chump. Don’t act all surprised. Don’t blame ME”.

    I’m sure Kelly has a lot of suggestions to the FO for improving the roster, etc. Will he be heard? Will those ideas be acted on? History says no, not so much. I’d love to be wrong, so surprise me. But the paralyzed off season, huge cap # say I won’t be wrong.

  34. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, no FA worth his salt wants to come to this team. Who wants to lose? Lesser FAs with no other options may, to be able to stay in the league and collect the big bucks.

    In 2-3 years, top FAs may make sense. This year is for The Chipster to install his schemes and evaluate the roster over the course of a full season, and for the young pups on the lines to gain experience. Next year the draft must be line heavy again and the season must show real, tangible improvement. Two years from now? Whether Jed has that kind of patience at this point is debatable. Just what we need is yet another HC.

    Just bite the bullet again this year.

  35. Phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yes RT that is the most likely outcome of our current situation = a couple years for Chip to evaluate, draft and rebuild, hopefully. Whose patience will give out first, the owners or the fans? We have a lot of patience don’t we? Where will the GM fit in with all this? Or will we get a ‘Chip Compatible’ new GM?

    Yes we have already seen FAs and coaches, the good ones, appear to avoid the team. So the rebuild will take time- rebuilding the roster, the coaches if necessary and the tattered national reputation of the Niner FO + owners. ‘Maybe’ eventually this will be rebuilt on a solid, stable foundation as I’ve been thinking about recently. Realistically it will be a few years I try to remind myself.

  36. shoutrealoudNo Gravatar says:

    Chips going backward, in Philly he brought in the wrong players, got rid of some major talent, didn’t know how to utilize the little talent he had but most of all, he didn’t get along with anyone in the organization … Most of all his own players. He has a major personality defect. His arrogance might work on the college level but his faults are well known now in the NFL. This is what happens when the top talent in the NFL would never come work for you, thanks Jed!

  37. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Warriors didn’t have a second round pick so their ownership opened their wallets up and paid Milwaukee $2.4 mil for theirs.
    In the NBA the majority of second round picks don’t make rosters but the W’s ownership was willing to spend money just to take a look at a player they liked.

    Again this shows you the contrast on a team with ownership that will do whatever it takes to build a winner and the skinflint Yorks which is embarrassing.

  38. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Pat Bowlen, owner of DEN, has alzheimers. Farmed out some VP stuff. One is Elway and he has GM hat.

    Jed has lost his mind. Need new face of team. For instant cred have Peyton as GM. Jed rotates on a pipe in the background, with that stupid grin.

  39. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    To fill the 90th spot on the roster they re-sign Kendall Gaskins.
    The Niners have cut him at least 3 or 4 times.
    Nobody else in the NFL thinks he’s worth taking a look at but for some reason after 2 years Baalke is still evaluating him.
    16 carries 38 yards which is 2.37 yds per carry. What’s not to like?

    What stagnates the Niners is they hang on to marginal players way too long. After being cut Gaskins didn’t get scooped up by another team so the team with the worst talent pool in the NFL signed him again. At best Gaskins might be a practice squad player

  40. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Shout, Chip was not getting an offers so let’s see how much if any he gave up to FO. I hope he got full ownership of fixing the O. TB should be judged on the existing talent from his drafts.

    Maybe that is why no improvements in FA so to uncomplicate the judging of TB’s roster. A benchmark to judge Chip will happen after the assessment of TB. Can MM, Brandon Thomas, and Tank be rehabbed. See a lot and judge Vance and Patton.

  41. shoutrealoudNo Gravatar says:

    Bakkentom, when Chip Kelly came to the NFL like most there was hope that he would be successful. The problem is like a lot of college coaches transition to the NFL they were failures and it hasn’t changed with Chip Kelly. We all thought he would bring something new, something different to the NFL and that never happened. In Philly after he won the total control of the team it ended up in kaos. It showed that given him total responsibility was a bad move on the ownerships part, his trades and bad decisions were atrocious. Chip Kelly brazenly thought he could trade way all of his talent and still win and that’s what led to him here to the 49ers.

    As you’re surely aware no real talent will come here to the 49ers, yes Harbaugh when the stadium deal needed to be completed but after that was done it was back to business as usual with Jed. The big names and real talent would never come here to work with TB and Jed. So what you get are these rejects around the NFL to come in and just get us through another season. There’s no game plan, there’s no real vision of a bright future. All we get is bad promotions of people you don’t deserve to be promoted in the first place and we’re forced to deal with the bottom of the barrel, the players and coaches that no one else wants. This is what happens when there’s no leadership and our teams is set in cruise control every year just to get by. This may have worked in prior years but when teams in our division start taking winning seriously the more Jed will be exposed as a loser.

  42. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Shout, your reasoned appraisal gives me great optimism. NFL allows for teams with crappy FO and coaches to rise from the ashes and th salted earth.

    The draft. Burn this bitch down.

  43. Phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Forfeit the 2016 season right now, that sounds good to me. We are doomed under Kelly for sure. Why bother playing the games? Can we just throw in the rag right now and get that #1 pick in the ’17 draft? Guy’s got a Personality Disorder says Dr. Internet who diagnosed poor old Chip online, standard procedure. Naw I’m convinced he’s evil and must be condemned in advance. Never mind the improvement from 4-12 to 10-6 in his first year of NFL coaching. Obviously he can’t, CAN’T I say, do that here. Then he was fired for going 6-9 in his last year in Philly. 6 wins? Shit, what’s that?? Clearly this charlatan will be worse than what we’re used to around here in the proud Red and Gold.


  44. Phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    For those of you eager to crucify Kelly now rather than later let me offer you a possible area of concern:

    Turnovers (plus as a bonus ‘field position’) which last years Eagles had a high number of. This is due to his scheme on the O according to this article by James Brady at NN =

    David Neumann also at NN has a different take but I don’t have it at hand just yet.

  45. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedule
09/12 - 10:00 AM @ DET
09/19 · 10:00 AM @ PHI
09/26 · 5:20 PM v GB
10/03 · 1:05 PM v SEA
10/10 · 1:25 PM @ AZ
10/17 BYE
10/24 · 5:20 PM v IND
10/31 · 10:00 AM @ CHI
11/07 · 1:25 PM v AZ
11/15 · 5:15 PM v LAR
11/21 · 10:00 AM @ JAX
11/28 · 1:25 PM v MIN
12/05 · 5:20 PM @ SEA
12/12 · 10:00 AM @ CIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2020 Prognostications (Mulligan Version)
Bullit: 6-10
NJ49er: 6-10

Skeebers: 7-9
Winder: 4-12

Grumpy: DNP