State of the Disunion

Everybody in the world seems to assume Jim Harbaugh will not return for a fifth year as 49er HC. If that’s because he wants to leave, then so be it. It’s his life, he can do what he wants. However, if it’s because Jed York and/or Trent Baalke want him out, then that’s another matter.

It’s easy to understand why Harbaugh would want out. He’s done a stupendous job in his time as HC, yet gets almost no public support from the boys at the top. And every time there’s a PR crisis, Jed Boy and Trent Garbo are nowhere to be found, leaving Harbaugh to deal with the wolves of the media, often without necessary information. But when the team lays an egg against the Seahawks, the first guy to grab a mike and boo is York. And boo to you too, Jed.

OTOH, if York and Baalke are pushing Jim out the door, you have to wonder what kind of criteria these two have for Head Coach. Harbaugh is the most successful first time HC in NFL history. It’s been a down year for the team, with a never ending rash of injuries to deal with, as well as a constant stream of Harbaugh-is-gone rumors and team morality media assaults, but the 49ers will most likely still finish with a winning record. That’s a better effort than Baalke, who completely whiffed on the entire 2012 draft class. That’s a Dwight Clark GM level performance. And it’s way, way better than the 2003-2010 teams, which NEVER had a winning record, let alone 3 title game trips and an SB appearance.

Baalke has also failed to draft even one impact player for the offense during his tenure. He’s brought in three WRs, two this offseason, via free agency, but not one of the WRs has scary speed — the one glaring element missing from the offense. Vernon Davis used to provide some speed, but he’s been slow and MIA all year. When all you’ve got is four possession WRs, you need a QB who plays the possession game. Baalke traded that guy. The guy we kept needs a WR like Desean Jackson.

Perhaps Harbaugh’s greatest failure then is not making Baalke look good enough. After all, the only threat to Baalke’s job is Harbaugh. When you’ve got a kid running the franchise, he’s going to be a follower, not a leader. Baalke has York in his pocket, and now evidently wants a more kiss ass and less megawatt personality than Harbaugh.

Of course, I could be FOS. It’s all just speculation at this point. And if the Niners don’t win the next four games, the speculation that has lingered at the fringes of the team all year will burst into prominence and be all that’s left of the 2014 season.

IOW, the blogosphere will return to the thrilling days of yesteryear, with a dysfunctional franchise getting ripped high, wide, and ugly.

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147 comments on “State of the Disunion
  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I just watched Schefter on ESPN gossiping about Harbaugh speculation. Schefter is also a Michigan man but he says what he’s heard is Harbaugh has no desire to go back to college.
    Schefter did say all this talk is fueled by the uncertainty of the season and the high goals set by some and the disappointment that they might go unfulfilled.
    Some here hope something happens immediately which shows they have given up. That’s really too bad these same people bitch about people who leave before the game is over. Some are leaving before the season is over and that says a lot about being frontrunners and just looking for a winning team so they can jump on the bandwagon.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh has his Monday presser today.
    It should be interesting.

  3. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Being dissatisfied with a team full of weapons is not band wagoning, Bullit.

    So you think these guys should go into next season unchanged?

    What I find funny/interesting is for all the media talk, you guys that pooh poohed the haebaugh talk frim the national media. The local media was mum on the subject. The local media is citing coaching issues, while the national guys point at Kappy

    Selective amnesia?

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You worry about next season after this season is OVER. This drama you choose to constantly fan is a distraction, disruptive and causes the media to ask questions about rumor rather than focusing on this week’s game and opponent.
    You seem to delight in this gossip and the soap opera.

    Oh yeah I forgot, you already have jumped ship like a rodent and have written this season off. Now you have your Sundays free to do your Christmas shopping.
    That makes your slogan on your blog ” Red and Gold til I’m Dead and Cold” a complete joke and a fraud. Chuck has given up.

  5. tonyNo Gravatar says:

    Hey Skeebs, I read pretty much every post you write, just don’t often comment. We all know the ups and downs during a season are just that. One week i’m happy as hell, some days (after a loss) i’m no fun to be around at all. But what’s been going on this season has become a real concern. And as bad as the latest loss to the Seahags was. It’s really the way we lost, and at home that mad me sick to my stomach. Man that was hard to take.( my wife thinks the new stadium is cursed because it’s not in San Fran) Then last night i’m listening to the tv news. And the talk was the Niner’s may trade Harbaugh after the season. Supposedly to the Raiders or Jets who are reportedly interested. What the hells going on….? I think your spot on about Crabs, Vernon, and receiving corps in general. Two weeks ago, Davis (when he did make a catch) on two third down passes was a yard short on both. He doesn’t seem to contest passes anymore. And as much as I like Kappy, one week he’s spot on with his passes, the next he’s way off the mark. The perfect example was that first interception to Sherman. If Kap throws to the outside (the way Crabs cut) it’s a first down. But Kap threw it to the inside. It looked like Sherman was the intended receiver. Don’t these guys PRACTICE together? It’s the kind of stuff you’d expect from QB and receiver who haven’t played together much. My feeling it’s the offensive coaches as a whole who are to blame. Not so much the plays called, though there’s room for improvement there too. The way Fangio and defense coaches TEACH the players is why we can loose impact players and not skip a beat on defense. We need teachers on the offensive side of the ball too. Harbugh’s biggest flaw is his loyalty to the coaches and players around him. But I believe letting him go would be a big mistake. Well guys excuse my blabber… I needed to vent

  6. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    In my view the FO and now many players on O have given up on this season and on the OC- and HC? Maybe they’re off the bandwagon now. But was there any ‘bandwagon’ after the reported trade feelers to Cleveland? Very damaging report belatedly denied by the kid at the top…I mean Baalke’s child, Jed.

    Beat the Raiders we get a short one week reprieve until you know what. A second humiliating loss to SEA ought to be convincing.

    A FO that quits on the HC deserves contempt. I think many would agree.

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The guys with the selective amnesia will be the bandwagon guys who will be front and center saying they knew the Niners could do it if they do run the table.
    Madden said “winning is the best deodorant”

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Please identify which players you think have given up.
    My guess is you’ll say Crabtree but then you have to wonder if he’s given up why go back in the game after injuring his ribs and his knee?
    Just like last year where he came back from his Achilles injury within six months. His critics say he’s a quitter and in it for himself. Crabtree could’ve just sat out the season and collected his full contract.
    What his critics don’t give him credit for is coming back to help his team into the playoffs as they were struggling with only one viable WR.
    If you don’t see it that way I’d like your version of what happened last season.
    What Crabtree’s critics don’t see is the Niner winning streak last season started with his return to the lineup. His numbers weren’t spectacular but Like I said he could easily have sat out but choose to bust his ass and come back early to help his team. That says a lot to me about his character and makeup contrary to the bs his critics heap on him.

  9. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That isn’t rain, Bullit. That’s Harbs pissing on your head.

    I swear, anyone that has issues with how this season has gone is a cancer in your book. Where’s VD? Do you think he’s happy with the season? Is he selling out every play? Have they all collectively forgotten how? How about Crabs and his negative comments?

    For all the turmoil, what do you think the problem is? The players forgot how to listen to the coaches?

    For all your blather about us fans, to what do you attribute the offensive woes?

  10. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I thought the actions by Jed were way out of line but I can understand the frustration. Nobody on this blog knows what’s really going on. To me the reality is that this team is not very good. Gore who has been our go to guy is done, Lattimore didn’t pan out, hunter got hurt and it looks like Hyde is still a work in progress. Our makeshift OL sucks and put all that together with a running QB we are getting hammered.We are still a running team that is trying to institute a more dynamic passing game. It’s not working. I don’t believe any one person can take the credit for the last few years just like they shouldn’t be blamed for this year. I am sure Harbaugh is more that a little frustrated this year, it’s obvious he’s a fierce competitor. But he has his flaws too. If the front office is in such a mess as people seem to think then some kind of change is needed. IMO is if we fire Harbaugh we should let Ballke go to, the change should be complete.

  11. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Word is now that many assistant. Laches are lining up to take over for harbaugh, including tomsula, fangio, and yes Greg roman.

    So much for loyalty.

  12. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Christ auto correct is a bitch, assistant coaches.

  13. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Word from where, Chuck? Harbaugh’s supposed to be traded, too, but he’d have to give his consent for that. Not likely.

  14. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bleacher report, skippy.

  15. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Any named sources? Where’s the story link? Or just more tabloid bullshit?

  16. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You need a map to find the interwebs?

    Funny, you glommed on to other national reports.


  17. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Are you addressing me with that? Which national reports are you talking about? Do you ever know WTF you are blabbering about or is blabbering its own end?

    You said “Word is…” What word? Who said it?

  18. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hey I’m on my phone. Jason cole reported it.

  19. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hey I’m on my phone. Jason cole reported it,skippy

  20. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    In the story this has been doing on for over a year. Tomsula and fangio are front runners. Roman’s candle is flickering.

  21. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    In the story, this has been going on for over a year. Tomsula and fangio are front runners. Roman’s candle is flickering.

  22. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit thrust of my comments is that the FO + Jed have undermined the HC and the team which we see from odd rumors like ‘trading HC to Cleveland’, ‘rift w/Baalke’, “problems w/ FO”, etc w/ owner letting sit there unrefuted. That is either stupidity or passive aggressive stink aimed at HC whether intended (how could it not be?) or not. That is utterly despicable and destructive to team morale.

    Players know much more about this (how could they not?) and it affects them seeing owner apparently siding w/ GM against JH. “Divided locker room”, “Disgruntled vets/players” and holdouts are a logical results of this lack of support. Results in poor off-field conduct in some cases I imagine as well. I blame Baalke’s child Jed for not forcefully stepping forward publicly to quash these rumors immediately. And likely he didn’t make it clear to “everyone in the building” that he is neutral between GM/HC. Huge mistake, extremely destructive, we see the results sadly of this blatant failure of leadership. Now he tweets “Unacceptable performance; I apologize”. Too late, you blew it Jed. 48 wins not good enough huh? Fine.

    Crabtree like VD, Boone, Iupati, A Davis, Kap is having a tough season partly due to injuries in a season set up to fail by you know who = Jed and his daddy. Whether they intended it or not. Crabs was valiant last year and gave us a lift when we had little else no doubt. Went back in the game against SEA despite injuries shows heart. He could improve catching the ball but so could every player improve. I’m not focused on players performance or execution. Our problems are much much worse.

  23. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Even the issues of our O, OC and HC are not the root of our problems never mind player execution as poor as it has been in some cases and generally. As indicated above and in several other posts I recently made the problem is poor/inexperienced leadership at the top.

    Others have predicted a severe fall for this team w/o Harbaugh. Looks like Skeebers thinks the owner may not be a great asset in the equation. A decline has begun already based on dynamics mentioned above.

    Sadly for us 48 wins in less than 4 years is not enough for GM/owner. Dumbshits

  24. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    OK I get it Phil you blame the owner.
    Jed’s tweet was curious and he needs to followup so I need to hear an explanation before I start condemning.
    perhaps you want his Dad back to run the show?

  25. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t use twitter but I’d like to tweet an apology to Niner fans for the unacceptable performance of the silver spoon boy owner.

    Whether Harbaugh is in or out the handling of this by the owners is contributing mightily to the downfall of the entire team.

    Harbaugh, when asked if Roman would be replaced as play caller said no and made a statement of total support for his OC. That doesn’t guarantee anything but that is the way you reply to the press for public consumption.

    All that silver spoon has to do is tweet out that Harbaugh is under contract and remains the 49ers coach with his full support.

    This current circus of speculation in the media that takes over and drowns out any other form of getting team information out to the fans is completely of the owner’s making.

    For all the knee jerk fans that want Harbaugh/Roman out, it’s only the beginning of a new era of back-biting from ownership who know nothing about running a pro football team except winning is good, losing is bad that you are going to get. The ownership of this franchise has been cursed since the league forced Eddie D out and will handicap any head coach coming into it.

    Jed is making Dan Snyder look like a serious and exemplary owner

  26. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    In any successful Organization, GM/HC need to share a common vision.
    If that vision isn’t shared or, in our case, the HC feels he doesn’t need the GM to be successful, you have what we have IMO.

    United we stand, divided we fall.

    Harbaugh was the right guy for a team stacked with talent and no direction.

    He unified the locker room, took them into the Post Season etc.
    Given the uninspiring results of the Offense, we have the current situation.

    I feel the Offense in general, with remarks targeted at ‘schemes’, suggest that players in general feel that they’ve hit the ceiling on what can be accomplished with the current regime.

  27. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Given the options, I appears to me that Kaep needs more work be a competent pocket passer.
    If Jim/Greg can’t devise a scheme to that end, we’re at a stalemate.

    Many have suggested that Jim is a power running game guy.
    If Greg is carrying out his vision and, neither guy can find the handle on a passing attack, Kaep will flat line.

    Change is never easy, especially with a winning HC.

    However, if they can’t find another level of performance to overcome the problems scoring points, what other options are there to turn to?

  28. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Jim wants his guys, Baalke and Jed want the prize.
    Players want a better plan as well I’d assume.

    When Frank points at the talent on the roster, I can’t assume that the GM is failing miserably at providing it.
    Coaches are paid to improve the talent, players are paid to execute the plays.

    I think we’ve hit the ceiling on creativity, primarily from an Offensive standpoint.

  29. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Opposing Defenses seem to have figured us out.
    When that happens and, you don’t have another ‘gear’ to offer, you’re reached critical mass.

    It’s the shear definition of insanity now.
    Doing the same things over and over again, while expecting the results to change.

  30. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er, you waged a campaign to “boot” Nolan, then we got Singletary. Who many in your camp cheered wildly as the answer. We still had Alex Smith. Who many in your camp were convinced was being held back by Nolan and his conservative philosophy.

    Judging by the invective that’s filled the inter webs and blogs through the best three year stretch of wins we’ve seen since Seifert I think some fans like the controversy more than anything else.

  31. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hmmmm, yet another player noting the I effectiveness of the offensive scheme.

  32. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er, I just re-read my post. Didn’t intend it to sound as if I was singling you out. Fans in general is who I had in mind.

  33. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:


  34. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No NoFear, we are disappointed that the window on the current incarnation of the Niners may b closing. That’s it.

  35. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    It sounds more like a reporter trying to make something bigger out of answers to leadign questions to me.

    I’ll say one thing about it, when everyone from ownership to players stop owning their own failings and begin pointing fingers at everything and everyone else it will take either some strong leadership or wholesale change to fix it.

    Seems like most would rather see the latter, again and again.

  36. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullshit, Chuck. You’ve been pushing rumors of Harbaugh’s demise since he benched Alex. And played RayMac, and on and on.

  37. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear49er my boot Nolan campaign pretty took shape after he threw Alex under the bus, following his collarbone injury, which then started the avalanche of turmoil within the locker room IMO.

    I thought highly of Singletary too, felt his candid no-nonsense approach served that team well at the time.

    Unfortunately, as we’re seeing now, once the locker room shows signs of dissent, there’s not much left to do but make dramatic changes.
    I’m not sky-high on Harbaugh, especially with his lack of professionalism on the sidelines, however, he has been a good locker room presence for the most part.

    Personally, I can do without all the turmoil, I simply want to see a team continuing to follow the script of improvement.
    Sadly, it once again appears as though the locker room is fractured, mainly along Offensive production lines.

    Harbaugh/Roman seem to have their collective ceiling with an inability to fine tune the passing game.

    BTW, no offense taken, we all have our opinions.
    We just aren’t winning consistently enough this year and frustration is running rampant.

  38. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Jed chose the suit over the coach and this is what we get as some of us clearly saw over a year ago. Hell even Kawakami gets it.

    When Kawakami gets it everybody should:

    “On persistent questioning, Harbaugh said he has not spoken with York about the owner’s frustrations over the Seattle game and didn’t speak to him over the long holiday weekend.

    “In the big picture, there is no doubt that York has picked Baalke over Harbaugh and now York is letting Harbaugh twist in the wind.

    “Seahawks coach Pete Carroll even got in a jab at York when asked about York’s angry Twitter moment.

    “Our owner would never do that,” Carroll told Seattle reporters.

    “Of course Paul Allen wouldn’t do that—because Carroll has won big for him and because he wouldn’t dream of undercutting his coach.

    “Jed York did that. Jim Harbaugh doesn’t have to describe how things are going between the two men now because it’s out there for all to see.”

    This has been pretty clear for awhile to some of us. This season the effects of choosing a suit over a great coach is obvious

  39. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Whatever you do, draft a couple O-linemen high. I never want to see JMartin in a Niner uniform again. A D-lineman as well. 1, 2, &3.

  40. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “Jim wants his guys, Baalke and Jed want the prize.”

    Yeah NJ 48 wins proves Jim doesn’t “want the prize”?

    Just like Baalke’s wretched 2012 ‘zero draft” has been evaluated let’s await until the new Baalke regimes has had a few years to see if they measure up. That will clinch it don’t you think?

  41. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil the suit is the GM.
    In most places, he’s the guy providing the talent.

    It’s obvious that Jim feels he can run the show alone, if we believe the media pundits, who are feeding off the drips of leaked information surrounding the FO.

    Jim isn’t recruiting for Stanford anymore.
    It’s unfortunate this nonsense can’t be resolved but, results are what they are right now.

    It appears as though Jim is too stubborn to accept changes to an Offense that isn’t improving either.
    Not much left to do by the looks of it.

    A divorce seems inevitable.

  42. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil 48 wins isn’t the point.
    He’s not being questioned about his past successes.
    We know he’s been successful, largely with the roster he inherited from Baalke.

    He can’t get to the next level Offensively, for whatever the reasons are, that’s the issue.

    Ground and pound has been defeated, his passing acumen is also being handicapped by a young, and still developing QB, to some extent too.

    Something has to change and, apparently, Jim isn’t willing to bend.
    Who knows at this point?
    It’s a steaming pile of sh!t right now.

  43. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “A divorce seems inevitable.”

    It was clear last year when Jed chose the suit. Here we are and we’ll see how Baalke’s new HC works out.

    “It’s obvious that Jim feels he can run the show alone, if we believe the media pundits…”

    No I think Jim has the right to expect equal support from the owner and not to get “Triangulated” (2 against 1) by owner and GM. It’s a dysfunctional game NJ and it is coming from owner and GM targeting Jimi.

    What dysfunction is JH bringing to the table? Those 48 wins are going to look very good in the rear view mirrors.

  44. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Well Jim can’t get to the next level HERE given the destroyed FO dynamics stacked against him this and any future year but I’ll wager he’ll do better wherever he winds up than the next Niner HC. Don’t kid yourself that 48 wins isn’t the point as this franchise will soon realize.

    We’ll see won’t we?

  45. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Tough situation Phil, I agree.
    Jed knows well enough that he’s not an NFL mastermind, most Owners aren’t.

    My POV is based on the premise that the majority of the responsibilities in the NFL fall on the GM.

    Until it’s apparent that Baalke can’t find qualified talent, I’d have to side with the accepted norm.

    Yes, the dynamics stink but, unfortunately, the talent hasn’t been questioned as much as the shortcomings we’ve experienced on Offense, particularly scoring points in the Red Zone and winning the Post Season’s biggest games.

  46. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    By and large, our talent pool, as provided by Baalke, hasn’t been poor by most comparisons.
    Our Defense is chugging right along, can’t say the same for the Offense can we?

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Given the reports, and by Jims’ own admission, the scheme being employed isn’t the fault of Roman or his Coaches.

    IMO, the same guys got to the SB and several NFCCGs only to lose.

    Getting over that hump, falls squarely on the scheme being employed I’d say.

    If Trent and Jim can’t find a way to work to resolve it, Jed sure isn’t going to offer much to that scenario.

    Basically boils down to irreconcilable differences, normally associated with the inevitable divorce.

    Jim is a competitive guy, as is Trent.
    You either find common ground or hit the bricks.

  48. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    The NYJ got to consecutive AFCCGs with Rex and Sanchez.
    All the world saw success, until the then GM Tannenbaum wrote several cyanide Contracts and guaranteed too much money to aging talent, thereby choking the life out of the future, while failing to Draft younger talent.

    Should a similar result happen here in SF, Baalke has to go too.

    Thus far, our FO has managed Cap money, and young talent, just fine IMO.

    If Jim could find a way to score points and develop young Offensive weapons, I’d venture to say we wouldn’t be having these discussions.

  49. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Disagree NJ = “If Jim could find a way to score points and develop young Offensive weapons, I’d venture to say we wouldn’t be having these discussions.”

    Right and if Walsh won a SB every year Eddie would have laid off and they wouldn’t have had a conflicted relationship ending in Walsh quitting. You want to narrow the discussion to what Jim has failed to do so far and discount what he’s superbly accomplished already. Like Jed who instead of supporting his HC as Skeebs details above bitches only on what the failings are. And you don’t answer my questions as part of your focus on the deficits you want to discuss which in my view are secondary issues that miss the root of Niner FO dysfunction:

    Do you agree it would have been far wiser for Jed to side with neither HC or GM? Or that this siding and splitting the team is not on Jed?

    So Jed is not a football guy and his influence and Baalke’s on him is negligible?

    No Eddie drove Walsh off, York drove Mooch off and innocent Jed is working on coach #3.

  50. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Shitting on winning coaches is the family way in Ninerland

  51. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, these comparisons aren’t really applicable. Walsh inherited a team full of nothing. Harbaugh inherited a team with a lot of talent. When the bar is Super Bowl or bust, what do you do? Seifert got the axe and he won 2 rings. Mooch couldn’t reach the pinnacle.

    The problem is, Harbaugh wants a ton of money, and he’s staggering down the stretch here leaking oil and losing the steering. How do you reward a guy who has completely blown this season?

    If things don’t change, and Harbaugh gets an extension, how will things improve next year? Will he keep Roman?

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil I think I addressed your query by saying I’d prefer Jed to let his Execs run the show.
    It’s a mess, can’t disagree with you.

    Had Jim won the SB or,beaten Seattle in the NFCCG and Thursday night, I might feel differently about my position regarding the failing Offense.

    It just seems to me that Baalke has provided plenty of capable talent as we’ve been in the race consistently.

    I prefer an Owner who stays away from the media in situations that don’t require his involvement.

    I simply feel this situation falls on Jim wanting to run the show.

    None of us know the real reasons, we’re simply here to speculate, until the sh!t hits the fan and, decisions are exercised.

    Don’t you think Jed made some genuine efforts to extend Jim as reported?

    I don’t think it’s all about the money.
    It likely involves Jim wanting to take more control from Trent.
    If that forced the discord, what options are left for Jed?
    He has to make a decision, preferably behind closed doors.

    As I stated, the GM normally runs the show.

    I honestly don’t think Jim has the credentials to handle both duties.

    Start with improving the Offensive production and winning the Lombardi, then he’ll have plenty of leverage to ask for more control.

    Bruce Ariens and Jeff Fischer have beaten us this year too.
    We have an issue on Offense.
    Goes back to the SB.

    If Jim can’t improve that flaw, how can you expect him to deal with talent evaluation, Cap Mgt and personnel decisions for the entire Roster?

  53. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry for the novel – Should have broken it up.

  54. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Eddie paid for his talent, and, he provided that talent via his wallet.
    Can’t operate like that anymore.
    The game is much more complicated from the FO perspective.
    That puts all sorts of pressure on the Draft process.

    Jim has won, I agree.
    He just hasn’t won the prize.

    Now the talent is aging, Contracts expire, while other factors continue to pull away the foundation of the roster.

    I truly believe we need more Offensive creativity and QB development options.

    Kaep has plenty of raw ability, he’s just not ready to dissect a Defense mentally yet.

    Long way to go before he’s in the same conversation with guys like Rodgers.

  55. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    All of this is just so much crap. All the head coach is hired to do is win. All Harbaugh has done is win. And he’s out?

    The running game is not done in the NFL. Every team wants to run and stop the run regardless of their style of offense and defense.

    If the offense is Harbaugh’s failing why isn’t the defense Harbaugh’s success?

    What is so hard to understand about an offense with a QB behind the curve? Would you rather the HC blame the QB’s crappy performance for the loss or say he’s great with a capital g even when he doesn’t play like it. The coaches have broken down every play on the field on Thanksgiving and know exactly why they failed. They will try to fix the things that went wrong and finish the season. Most here I’d guess would say as long as the owner has quit on us we aren’t bustin’ our ass to play for him.

    Every team wants the quality of players we have rostered. Every team wants a HC along with assistants and staff that win games at the rate Harbaguh has. Only San Francisco looks at what we have and says we need to blow this shit up. So they decide “Hey, let’s undermine and disparage everyone.” And think that makes them look good for doing it.

  56. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think it makes any difference who got the underachieving troops, Harbaugh got ’em to the NFCCG. Three times.

    Harbaugh is worth whatever he wants and he will get it plus $5 mil from Jed for next year. If Jed negotiated with Jim it was not enough to convince Jim to sign. Can’t say more as none of us know.

    “How do you reward a guy who has completely blown this season?”

    You let him play out his contract or pay him after he’s fired. Jimi is not going away w/o $5 mil and Jed knows it. Let him coach + get some OC help for Gro. Simplify the O, etc. Negotiate on that basis.

    I expect Jim would get a sympatico GM like Mike Lombadi, most Niner coaches and cooperate rather than current power struggle. Jed could have that here if he wanted it. But no.

    In my view Baalke could have been instrumental in removing Singletary, a good move, and McCloughan who went on to glory elsewhere. Baalke is the coach killer now fully backed by York.

    My focus is on the family tendency to kill off successful coaches. How did the Niners do when Seifert was dumped? What was his record that year? Dumping winning coaches is very very risky. Better to negotiate with a proven winner to build the O and not discount past successes for sheer ego of owner.

  57. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    NF (tongue in cheek) damn good post above b/c I agree with every word of it. Yeah 48 wins mean zip. “Only in Yorktown”

  58. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    There’s no doubt that we’ve acquired some good players in the Baalke/Harbaugh era. The thing no one here knows is who has input and how much influence in slotting the draft board and making changes on the fly on draft days.

    If the HC is constantly in disagreement with the GM on which players he wants to play in his schemes it’s no wonder there is friction and who can blame the HC if that’s the case. And if it is the case that doesn’t mean Harbaugh wants to run everything. Maybe he just wants a GM who will listen to what he wants.

    Jim wants more money? So what? Pay him or tell him no or tell him we’ll talk when/if you win another championship or super bowl. Whatever. Handle it and be done with it.

    Hell, Baalke can’t even control his own daughter’s twitter “mouth.” Or do you think Jed got to her?

  59. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Guys we don’t know what the dynamic is behind closed doors.
    It is all so much crap.
    Nothing to do but speculate here and elsewhere.

    If Jim doesn’t find a way to improve the Offense, by whatever means he can, we’re at a stalemate.

    No argument NoFear49er, regarding the running game.
    You absolutely need that.
    However, we’re getting shut down there of late, O-Line issues, blown assignments et al.

    By the same argument, if the Baalke Drafts the Defense and the Offense, what unit is performing better?
    The one being Coached by Fangio and Staff.
    Not so for the unit entrusted to Roman.
    If Jim can’t relieve Roman or, see that the Offense is regressing, what’s left for Baalke and Jed to do?

    For me, find another Offensive answer, it’s that simple.
    Thus far we haven’t found that added wrinkle to pull it off.

    Still time to salvage this mess too.

  60. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I honestly don’t think it should come down to Jed choosing a side Phil.
    He’s offered Jim an extension opportunity for the past several years if we’re to buy the reports.

    Jed put Paraag in place, Baalke too.
    I think our FO is one of the better performing Staffs in the game.
    It would suck to lose Jim certainly, given his record thus far.

    But, we can’t ignore the fact that he hasn’t been able to grab the prize.
    These windows of opportunity are fleeting at best.
    We can only speculate about the Draft decisions.
    Clearly, Kaep was Jim’s guy, for good reason.
    He’s not Peyton, he’s a work in progress.

    Plenty of reasons for failed games.
    Until the answers are found, the clock continues to tick on Jim’s Contract and those of the personnel he fields everyday.

  61. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It seems to me you’d rather see Jed pick Jim over Trent Phil?

    I’d think that move would be much more risky, given that Jim hasn’t had any GM experience to my knowledge.

    If Jim and Trent can’t find common ground, what’s left for Jed to do?
    Someone has to go, no?

  62. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Berger mentions the Warriors as bringing in some specialists on O and D to help new HC Kerr not trying to install new passing game w/o additional help. Dump 5 extra coaches and get GRo some help he can accept for next year. Let Jimi focus on flow of the game

    That doesn’t work I’ll be surprised if sincerely engaged.

  63. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We can assume Jim won’t budge on Roman.
    What’s left now is to win out.
    Tall order to be sure.

    Take an example of what might have been a roster addition this year favoring Jim, Jon Martin, former Stanford guy of Jim’s.
    Good addition to the SF roster?

    Can we say for sure it was Jim’s choice or Trent’s?
    Josh Johnson?

    Hard to know what’s going on from a talent evaluation/selection perspective as we simply don’t have a clue.

  64. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve spoken to Berger about the Warriors analogy Phil.
    As I don’t know the game of basketball well, I’m not sure how to draw that connection.

    Simple answer I’d venture is, basketball players play both O and D, so I’m clueless on how to draw a comparison.

    If Jim already has an Offensive Staff, reported to be in the range of 12 members, adding more guys, instead of simplifying it, might be more counterproductive?

    All I’d clamor for at this point is scoring more points and making the Playoffs.

    Short of that, there’s plenty of issues to address regarding this team going forward.

  65. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I’m saying two things re: Jed choosing = 1) “he shouldn’t”, but show equal support to HC and GM which publicly he hasn’t. Make it clear publicly and “in the building” that he is neutral and expects both to do their jobs. Don’t appear to follow Baalke exclusively. Make it clear to the universe Jimi is Great. He’s come closer to grabbing the prize than anyone else on Niners this century.

    2) As we discussed last year extensively if Jim is not happy then yes find out who he can work with b/c quoting Madden it’s easier to replace a suit than a winning coach. What is the fascination with Baalke? He’s not irreplaceable. Then if he won’t back off and cooperate w/ Harbaugh satisfactorily then get Mike Lombardi or whoever Jim Harbaugh wants.

    Doubt it will happen but it ‘should’ if Jed was wise. JMHO

  66. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I hear what you’re saying Phil.
    Opinions are good.
    Keeps us engaged.

    Tough situation for all concerned.

    As for Lombardi, I’d give the nod to Baalke, simply on his track record.
    Lombardi and Jim have a relationship so, I get that connection.
    If Jim insists on working with Lombardi, I don’t see Jed replacing Trent with Mike.

    I would like to see them find an answer to this current impasse too.

  67. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh’s “dysfunction” is he’s 7-5 this year after NFCCG in ’13 and 48 wins?

    NJ really the howling mob calling for his head are delusional. You think some expertise for coaching the O will help right? The FO pressure tactics on the HC are contributing to player dysfunction by highlighting their irrational (and historically destructive to this franchise) demands to win a SB every year. While stabbing HC in the back as we continually hear this year. While Jed sits on his ass hiding behind daddy Baalke.

    No one wins a SB every year, that’s a marketing ploy to sell tickets. Rational management will realize this and continue to support best people to do it or something close. Not this covert, passive aggressive triangulation series of media games.

    Undermine the coach you undermine the players. Support the HC, continue to give him what he needs/wants, you help players have that missing ingredient = focused confidence.

  68. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It’s too early to say what the warriors decision will reap, but it looks like it has been a rousing success. The point is the same team from last year is playing much better in a better designed offense. No one doubted Jackson’s defensive credentials. His offense was lacking. He made odd switches, and at times the offense would stagnate id no passing and quick 3s. Kerr’s offense stresses passing and movement without the ball. Bought is playing much better in the new system, as is most of the rest of the team.

    Same players, better offense. That’s the deal.

  69. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh has routinely lied about many things under his charge. He’s an abrasive personality, and he’s apparently been hounding the suits for a raise going on 3 years now.

    He himself has said he likes turmoil. He seemed to generate it sometimes.

    I don’t see how he warrants a big fat payday when the team is in such disarray. Pointing at the 7-5 record is all well and good , but for the talent, the team should be doing better IMO.

  70. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    We were supposed to be positioning ourselves for a SB run, not fighting for our playoff lives.

  71. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t follow basketball, but to say the Warriors have the same team as last year is a bit of a stretch. 9 guys from last year are no longer on the team, and they added 5 new guys.

  72. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er, Harbaugh inherited a team built by Nolan & McCloughan, not Baalke. Interestingly, McCloughan left here and helped build the Seattle team that currently owns us.

  73. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The starters are virtually identical. The bench has changed some, spleens.

  74. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Gotta love autocorrect

  75. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Note the part about “One source told that general manager Trent Baalke and Harbaugh have clashed on occasion, but it never escalated into a situation in which either man felt as if he could not work with the other. But that changed a couple weeks ago when an undisclosed incident or series of interactions occurred that irreparably tore at the trust that must exist between a coach and general manager. (The source would not disclose the specifics of the disagreement.)”

    *Something* happened. It may not even be Jim Harbaugh’s fault – but something more than what we know is going on behind the scenes.

  76. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Brent Jones commented on our QB.
    He said what I always suspected. Kap is more interested in his physique than the mental part of being a QB.
    When you are unable to execute a hurryup offense, it shows that
    you still need training wheels in understanding the offense.

  77. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Brent jones has no credibility in this discussion. He doesn’t know anything about what is going on with Kappy’s development. Is he on the meetings? No.

    Like Dildo quickly recanting his toxic locker room comments, he doesn’t know what is happening behind the scenes. He’s speculating.

    Surely you see that, don’t you?

  78. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    He’s watching the games, Chuck. Just like everyone else who’s pointing out the obvious. You should try it.

  79. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I forgot a burner, route running and catching optional. Make that: DT first pick, then OT, OG, and WR (fastest remaining).

    If we draft another “possession” receiver, I’m going to make a Baalke voodoo doll.

  80. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    One word vague references out of context = proof.

    Entire interviews pointing the finger the other way = bunk.

    Blog logic at its finest.

    On the other story, it’s a little strange that if the offensive production is the issue why would the o-line and running backs coaches be retained? Maybe these guys are watching the games, too?

  81. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think offensive production is the issue.

    I don’t even think Kaepernick’s struggles to master the mental side and ‘game speed’ of the position are the issue.

    I think the issue is egos, and how Harbs and Ballke and Jed do not (any longer) play well together.

    Which on the face of it is absurd. But I’ve seen lesser enterprises torn apart by guys who just could not work together.

    And I’m afraid that we have crossed the Rubicon this week, with the Total Drama 49er Island coverage, and that Someone simply has to go now.

  82. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bullshit, spleens. BJones is commenting on kaepernick’s work habits in the building. Something he is not privy to.

    He can speculate all he wants. In the end I have as much credibility as neither of know what is happening behind closed doors.

  83. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, NoFear, I’m not happy with john Morton.

  84. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think so either, Grumpy. It was intended as biting sarcasm but maybe fell a bit short.

    If Harbaugh or Baalke doesn’t have the full support of Jed or refuses to work with the other(s) then I agree with you, someone has to go.

    I’ve never been a fan of Harbaugh’s style, at least what I see of it, but Jed and Trent don’t come off looking any better here either.

    A winning head coach without an ego! Almost as rare as humble fighter pilots. (that’s a joke pee-lot lovers)

  85. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, you are hilarious. You say Harbaugh is a liar to dismiss what he says and then in the next line point to what Harbaugh has said to back your take.

    How many people do you talk to that AREe inside the locker room? And how many years did you play pro ball?

    The difference is wild ass guess vs informed opinion.

    How can you condemn Morton without being in the meetings or the locker room?

    Better reset your parameters along with your spellcheck, spleen.

  86. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    “that AREe” s/b “who ARE”

    damn grammar check.

  87. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The ell test, NoFear. We hAvent been getting much out of the WRs in the Harbaugh era .

    Not sure what you are on NoFear, but I was addressing what Brent jones said re Kappy’s work habits. Not harbaugh.

  88. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I think Brent Jones talks to ex-Niners at Niner HQ such as Rathman, McIntyre or Keena Turner.
    Delusional to think that Chuck speculating is even close.
    Especially after Chuck has admitted on more than one occasion he bends the truth and has license to lie because it’s a blog.

  89. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    As 12th Man said on the other blog = Baalke is Jim’s boss so hard for Jed to treat ’em equal if they clash. He’s got to back the GM, I understand that. My take is that Jed ‘should’ back Harbaugh more in obvious ways publicly and for all I know, privately. To take the edge off these conflicts so the players (and fans?!) get a sense that the Niner org is moving forward to our goals not back as we see presently.

    Jed needs to be more proactively in shaping this situation and not leaving it to the Dion Sanders, Florios, etc. This is called leadership and we are lacking there.

    Yes we need better execution and coaching, wins, but leadership at the top too IMHO to quench the negative feedback loop the national media so dearly loves. Surely this is easier than building a stadium? May be a little late tho

  90. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Agree Phil.

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You think, Bullitt? I think pigs fly out of your ass daily.

    I’m not speculating anything, you dolt. I’m stating the FACT that Brent Jones is not part of the team. He does not know Kappy’s work habits in regard to film study. If he knew, he would have said.

    You THINK Brent Jones talks to those guys? There you go. Bullit thinks he believes 2nd hand information from someone not on the team, therefore it’s Gospel.

    Bank that shit, skippy!!! I got some stock tips for you if you front me some money.

    When was the last time you talked to Tom Rathman, Guy McIntyre, or Keena Turner, Bullitt? Gawd, you have finally gone off the deep end.

  92. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’m all for owners being the voice of he franchise and all that, but these day-to-day things SHOULD be handled by others. Jed’s tweets are a pretty stupid idea, but hey, what do you do? Irsay used to get hammered and tweet crazy shit all the time.

    Jed can’t be reacting to all this nonsense, but he shouldn’t be calling out the team via social media. And there IS more than just a stinging tweet behind this. This is the opening salvo in the dismantling of this coaching staff. Offensively anyway.

    According to the reports out there, guys have been lobbying for Jimbo’s job going on a year now. At least that’s what Bulit’s haiordresser’s sister’s cousin says . . .

  93. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And why all the talk all of a sudden regarding Harbaugh being traded to the Jets or Raiders?

    Can you connect the dots that the ‘word on the street’ regarding Harbs is coming from 4949 Centennial Blvd?

    That might be too big a mental leap for some of you. But. really, the mental gymnastics practiced around here get pretty pretzelly.

  94. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Percy Harvin would look wonderful in a Niner uniform, revenge against Petey always on his mind. Lord know he can’t be very happy in an offense that passes six times per game.

    Far be it from Baalke to try to arrange a cap friendly trade with the outgoing/incoming GM of the Jets.

  95. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, Jed has to do his talking behind closed doors, not at the feet of the media.

  96. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    As usual you show what a moron you are.
    Last time I looked Rathman was the RB coach.
    Turner and McIntyre work in the building and are on the Niner payroll.
    Put your foot in your mouth again by claiming these guys aren’t part of the team.
    You embarrass yourself like clockwork on a daily basis.

  97. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs I’m aware Scot had pretty much assembled the Roster inherited at the time of Jims’ hire, however, there had been a string of bad Picks leading up to his departure.

    Memories of Chilo, Balmer, Coffee, Nate Davis and others were offset by some gems like Frank, Patrick, Staley and Vernon.

    Tough position being an NFL GM.
    I simply feel that Baalke has fared better since he arrived.

    We’re still challenged Offensively, while we debate where the blame goes, things haven’t been pretty beyond the recently successful running game.

  98. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    So if Brent Jones gives some insight on the Niners I should not believe him? Why does he have a weekly radio spot? Is he on the radio to talk about the weather or fashion trends?

  99. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Interview with Marcus Lattimore.
    Some might dismiss this because he’s no longer with the team but there’s a lot of info here.

  100. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    So because they were tesmmates they have sleep overs and talk Kappy? Right

  101. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Maiocco also wrote about what Brent Jones said and also has audio

  102. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    The way things work in the real world is they have people who actually played the game and have connections to the team to give their opinions, analysis and insight.
    That is probably the reason why they didn’t hire you or Spitwad
    to give your biased joke commentary.

  103. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Pretty naïve to think that ex-Niners aren’t connected to the team and have an interest in what’s going on.
    In fact guys like Steve Young still refer to the Niners as US. So in Chuck’s narrow mind he doesn’t think that Joe, Ronnie, Roger,Eric, Harris, Jesse, Steve and Brent get together and talk football?
    You really don’t think they talk to Rathman or know what’s really going on?

  104. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I read Spitwad bitching about getting booted off T Kawakami’s blog for rabble rousing recently (under an assumed name). Someone said he was using several names at once and stirring it up. Odd…

  105. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    For those wannabe football coaches out there. It’s never too late. Coastal Carolina hired Joe Moglia to be their head coach when he was 62 and he never coached football before. He made millions on Wall St and was the CEO of Ameritrade.
    Now at 65 and after success at Coastal Carolina he’s under consideration for the vacant HC job at Nebraska. By the way he’s a buddy of Warren Buffet who lives in Omaha.

  106. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Moglia was an assistant coach 40 years ago but gave it up to join Merrill Lynch.

  107. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That isn’t odd, Phil. That’s par for the course for spitty.

    Prove it, Bullit. Show me somewhere where jones mentions talking to Rathman specifically about Colin Kaepernick’s film study habits.

    ‘I think they talk’ is not cutting it. Cute, but it ain’t flying. Otherwise you are simply part of the chain of misinformation.

    Hey! Maybe you are Cass Baalke!

  108. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I ws referring to your maniacal boast
    “He can speculate all he wants. In the end I have as much credibility as neither of know what is happening behind closed doors.”

    Somehow having played the game as a 49er and having a multitude
    of contacts I would say Jones has so much more cred than Chuck who admits to embellish and lie because this is a blog and who’s biggest source is a week old Sporting Green.
    Brent Jones is connected and you are not. get over that delusion.

  109. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, you are an idiot, Bullit. It’s speculation by Jones. Plain and simple.

    Point to where Jones specifically states he observed Kappy not studying film.

    Kiss and tell doesn’t count.

  110. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Let me bottom line this for you.
    I post something that Brent Jones said on the radio and because you disagree you attack his creditbility.
    That’s it in a nutshell and you keep everyone entertained with your daily clown remarks.

  111. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Grow up, skippy. You constantly act like a hurt child.

  112. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Mortensen and Kaplan are on ESPN Insiders ripping Kap’s fundamentals and mechanics.
    Naturally Chuck will discount their remarks because what do they know.

  113. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t even disagree. I just stated he doesn’t know, Bullit. I said he’s speculating. Get it? Of course not. You have to make it out to be some insane flame job by me when all I said was he is basing his comments on speculation,

    Why did you choose to disavow what the national guys said about harbaugh, Bullit? Selective amnesia?

    Cherry pick away, skippy. You are just like the rest of us.

  114. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Because all this speculation on Harbaugh is unproven. If you can verify it from a named source than I’ll evaluate it.

    With what is being said about Kap is being said by a lot of people. If you watch games you can tell he’s confused and has regressed. I was hoping for Kap to produce multiple TDs against the Seahags and he couldn’t even give the team a single TD.

    I supplied you proof with screenshots of open receivers that Kap didn’t see. It’s about reading defenses and putting the ball in the hands of guys who are open.Your response was feeble and lame as usual saying that didn’t prove anything.

    You continually sidestep and obfuscate when you don’t have a rebuttal.

  115. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    For the doubters that say Brent Jones wasn’t talking about Kap specifically here is Maiocco’s transcript of what was said unedited

    “Jones was also asked to for his opinion on Colin Kaepernick, and he did not hold back:

    “You are who you are during the season in which you are playing. We all know this is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league … Really it’s development. You have to be so committed as a young quarterback to get better.

    “You have to be obsessed. And you know what, I know that Kap is a hard worker in the weight room, he’s out throwing balls, he’s doing all that stuff, strength wise, speed wise, yeah, yeah, yeah…

    “But you know what, that’s not enough in this day and age in the NFL. The best quarterbacks are obsessed with studying plays, film, dynamics, pre-snap reads, undertsanding the coverage and where you are going to go with it more than likely when you hit that back step …

    “It’s unfair for me to talk about it because I played with Joe (Montana) and I played with Steve (Young). But I’m gonna tell you right now, Steve Bono did exactly the same thing that Joe and Steve did. That’s how he was taught, that’s what was demanded from the coaching staff.

    “In the end this a quarterback-reliant league and if you aren’t getting better year-to-year-to-year, then the game is gonna pass you by … athleticism can carry you for a year or two. And one of the problems with young, very athletic quarterbacks, that have great legs and can run, they always rely on their strengths and don’t work on their weaknesses … the reason they don’t work on those weaknesses is because their whole career they’ve been able to dominate with athleticism.

    “But athleticism doesn’t make you an All-Pro quarterback. It doesn’t make you a Super Bowl winning quarterback. And eventually, people start game-planning you and they take away your strengths and they say, ‘We dare you to beat us with your weaknesses…’

    “And history tells us that you are going to struggle if you don’t develop the mental side of the game — the mental snaps, the watching film until you’re going crazy. I want to know how many quarterbacks are going home at night, when the day is over, a huge long day of practice, and obsessing over the game plan. And looking at your iPad or TV or whatever, and watching film, watching film, going through the play, looking for this little nuance of the way a guy plays you, a way the team lines up at safety on third down, or where the nickel guy is, or how they’re showing blitz, or any of these things…

    “It feels to me like we’re not there yet (with Kaepernick) … Part of Kap’s problem is that he has had so much darn success early, and he still has all the potential in the world … And on his behalf, we have not had a serious down field threat at wide receiver for him. He needs some vertical threat … We need to have a burner, a guy that can go deep, that can stretch defenses…

    “I don’t want to be perceived as a guy that’s saying ‘Kap’s not the guy.’ When the Alex Smith-Kap issue came down a few years ago, I came down on the side of Kap. And right now, I’m not ready to throw in the towel, because he still has a lot of things.

    It’s crystal clear he’s talking about Kaepernick and not QBs in general.

  116. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hmmm. Still don’t see where Jones says Kappy isn’t studying film.

    He doesn’t know, nor does he say he’s asked others, about Kappy’s film study habits.

    Does Kappy need to improve? Yes. Does BJones say anything we don’t already know? Not really. Would I be thrilled to hear that Steve Young is going to work with Kappy on his game? Sure. But all this talk is just that. For all the people laying this squarely at Kappy’s feet, there are an equal number of people saying this scheme is poor.

  117. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “For all the people laying this squarely at Kappy’s feet, there are an equal number of people saying this scheme is poor.”

    I’m saying it’s both- both Kap’s development and yep, scheme, coaching. Same with overall development/effectiveness of the O. Both and both Bullit and Chuck are correct.Kap is not doing ballet solo. He’s functioning in a complex team exercise which affects him and which he influences dor better or worse in turn. Just like everyone else on O and on D.


  118. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    A real-world look, in hindsight, at the risks involved with Drafting at the QB position –

    In the past five years, Washington has invested multiple first-round draft choices, two second-round selections and a fourth-round choice in the quarterback position, and its starting signal-caller is a street free agent (McCoy).

    Washington may shop Griffin in the offseason. Unless there’s a major turnaround, the 2012 pre-draft deal by the ‘Skins will go down as among the worst trades in sports annals.

  119. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Lets get #49 for Jimbo this week. That has a nice ring to it

  120. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    It really is too easy to pile on and I’m just making an abservation.
    I see guys commenting and being critical on the body language of Vernon and Crabtree and the negative vibe they give off.
    Kap is supposed to be “the face of the franchise” and he does not look confident, upbeat or positive. Who died or did his dog run away?
    In general when you are too uptight you can’t perform at an optimum level.
    When the Niners win Kap gives a much different interview than when they lose.
    I want the guy leading my team to be more confident and even keeled and not do the Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde stuff.
    Just an observation but he needs to loosen up brcause it appears the job is gerring to him and as the QB the team can’t afford that.

  121. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Steve Young talked about something that Bill Walsh cosched into him that changed his outlook about quarterbacking and career
    “When you ask me about when the light went on, he started me thinking about it. And the truth is, it really started when Bill (Walsh) got hold of me. Because when Bill got hold of me I remember him pulling me aside and saying ‘Steve, nobody knows where you are.’ And I’d go run for 10 yards, or I’d scramble around and throw the ball for a nice completion or something and he’d say, ‘That’s great. But nobody knows where you are. And the truth is, if you really want to make the most of it — get everything out of the play that I call. You left early. You didn’t explore every avenue or option. And people need to know where you are.’ And I remember thinking ‘Oh, crap. I better be where everyone expects me to be. And do everything that everyone expects me to do with this play. I’ve got to exhaust it.’

    And there were times when I would exhaust it and he would see my eyes work the whole thing, and I would take off running for 15 yards and he would say ‘Now that’s 15 yards worthwhile. That’s what I’m talking about. That play got exhausted and then you created something out of nothing. You made me look good rather than — you running around and not exhausting the play and making 15 yards. That adds up to one-plus-one equals one. Over time, those 15 yards actually hurt.’ That was how he taught me.”

  122. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    In fact in case you missed it, here is the entire article that ran before the Redskins game

  123. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Haloti Ngata was suspended for failing a PED test.
    He tested positive for Adderall.
    Question now is has he been taking the PED for his entire career?

  124. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Walsh and Young had teams with players that got open. Walsh’s schemes were among the best in the game. Our WRs rarely get any one of separation, short of the occasional check down.

    As NJ is won’t to say, it’s chess vs checkers.

  125. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wont, dammit.

  126. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    The rest of the league is using the Ruy Lopez opening while Roman counters with, “Oooh! I jumped a guy.”

  127. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    32 questions were posed to Kap yesterday. He responded with a total of 87 words. That’s 2.7 words/question. You could get more from Belichick or the late Marcel Marceau for that matter.

    I can’t stand him any longer. Both on and off the field. His demeanor has always rubbed me the wrong way, but now it’s reached its boiling point. I hope both he and Harbaugh leave as a package deal.

    Serenity now.

  128. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Kaep is a reflection of Harbaugh.
    Indifferent,guarded, evasive.

    Pretty apparent to me that the pressure is becoming unbearable.

    No plan, no confidence, business as usual.

    Definition of insanity?

  129. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Vernon Davis is having a bad year and injuries have played some part in that. The one big thing that makes it hard for a receiver to post numbers though is his not being targeted.

    VD was the go-to deep guy and a pretty fair short target. 82 targets with 42 deep targets last year. This year Lloyd is the deep target and Crabs is taking all the short targets that don’t go to Boldin. Vernon is looking at 42 targets with 8 deep targets this year. Nobody sees that?

  130. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Kaepernick isn’t doing himself any favors by acting like Marshawn Lynch in the press interviews. I like his headgear though. It sort of answers the questions about his passing game on Thanksgiving without saying anything else.

    Embarrassing himself and doesn’t come off as much of a leader of an NFL team. Harbaugh could set a better example, too.

  131. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I read somewhere that Harbaugh is a lock to win Sunday. He’ll be playing for the top pick next year.

    I hope it was a joke.

  132. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    His holdout and Boones’ havent helped either NoFear49er.

    Whatever, wherever, the problems are, we’re a dysfunctional bunch in so many areas.

    Team just looks fractured mentally.

    I think there’s more to this stalemate than Jim’s Contract value.

  133. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Low Ball Baalke trying to get a winning coach cheap, the best since Seifert, is the problem with this franchise. Hendrix didn’t pull a Kaepernick and buy into Low Balls incentive scheme is the problem and subsequent FO leaks to media have poisoned the atmosphere.

    Yes NJ your narrative has been very clear for a long time. No problem fire away.

    York and Baalke overplaying their hand with Harbaugh:

    “With the offense (23rd in yards per game and 24th in points per game) struggling and a steep climb to make the playoffs in front of this tired-looking bunch, the brass (Jed York, Trent Baalke and Paraag Marathe) may believe that a strong enough case has been made, that enough evidence exists to allow them to part ways with Harbaugh without an uprising from the “faithful.”

    “They’ve handled this poorly, from the moment the Cleveland Browns trade rumors were reported and denied.”

    “Fans don’t care how much drama there is in Santa Clara, Harbaugh is still the team’s best coach since George Seifert, and it isn’t close.

    “No one, not Jim Tomsula, Vic Fangio or Adam Gase, let alone any NFL retread or college coach one can name, can claim a record that strong.”

    ‘…York’s and/or Baalke’s plan throughout this season evolved into “let’s convince the fans that this Harbaugh thing isn’t working out, then we’ll trade him to another team,…”

    Chuck says Harbaugh’s causing this. NJ says it the O. Gentlemen you are wrong. This is about money Low Ball and his boss do not want to pay the winner Hendrix. They want him on the cheap and they are not going to get him cheap. No matter how many leaks those two spill to the media about ‘locker rooms’ (pure crap, zero evidence). Follow the money and that is where it leads and that is what this is about.

    Good luck with that.

    repost from Chuck’s

  134. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    When Jed and Trent get done firing Hendrix and paying him his $5 Mil where will he go? Here’s some interesting speculation. And this scenario is so much better than Jimi going to the Raiders:

    Where will Jimi Hendrix play his next concert?

    “Bile creeps into the throats of 49ers fans whenever they think about Harbaugh resurrecting the Silver and Black. But the team that should worry the 49ers most may be the one considered most likely by some to move to Los Angeles. A team that has beaten the Seahawks, 49ers and Broncos this season. A team that’s a quarterback away from playoff, or perhaps even title contention. A team that’s in the NFC West, which would force York and Baalke to face Harbaugh twice every season.”

    “If Harbaugh became the next coach of the Rams, he’d get a chance to stick it to York, Baalke and Pete Carroll at the same time, all while remaining in a favorable location for his family if the franchise moves back to Southern California. He’d get to choose the team’s next quarterback, and if he brought Vic Fangio over, the defense would probably be good enough to win eight games on its own. Tre Mason doesn’t look too shabby either — just ask the Raiders, who have a lot more questions to answer than the Rams if they want to be seen as Harbaugh’s best next job.”

    LA Rams baby. LOL for a long long time

  135. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Vernon reported when required. Boone missed real games and played like he was still home when he came back for more money.

    Vernon was making a statement and Boone was hurting the team. Big difference to me.

  136. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Boone, Davis and Hendrix have one other thing in common: they don’t want to get Low Baalked

    Disassembling the franchise is a family tradition

  137. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    From Niner Nation All 22 film analysis on what went wrong last Thurs

  138. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Too bad they don’t have a breakdown of the FO breakdown

  139. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Boone is playing ok now. VD is dropping passes and is ranked very low for his blocking this year. 38th in yards.

  140. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Per the chron today.

  141. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe the Niners can get Fisher when Hendrix is in LA with the Rams. He’s 18-24-1 compared to 48-18-1.

    Yeah that’s Niner leadership

  142. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Useless to keep dwelling on what’s going to happen to Harbaugh because everything is happening behind closed doors and nobodys talking.
    It only serves as a distraction because nothing will happen until this season is done.
    Focus should be on getting this offense to be more consistent and running in gear. Raiduhs have given up 10 passing TDs in the last 4 weeks which is the most in the NFL.

    Good opponent to get your confidence back and jump start the offense.

  143. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah VD needs to block better, pass and run. His worst game by far was against STL and I think he was still hurt. With the exception of the WAS game he hasn’t been that bad.

    He had a pretty good game against Seattle, across the board. But I was talking about the questions fans and sports people are asking about his use as a passing weapon this year.

    Yeah, Boone is playing better but still looks pretty sub-par. Not someone you would watch the film on and say we need to give that guy some more money to play here.

  144. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    “Useless to keep dwelling on what’s going to happen to Harbaugh”

    OK. Then let’s dwell on what’s happened with Harbaugh.

    1) Lost a SB to Joe effing Flacco.
    2) Lost two NFCCGs. Both in gut-wrenching fashion.
    3) Has built and cultivated a group of players whose one claim to fame is leading the league in arrests.
    4) Has lied repeatedly. Above and beyond the expected BS from your HC.
    5) Has not properly coached and developed our QB who he hand-picked.
    6) Has allowed his super ego and status as A #1 Asshole to ruin the relationships between he, our GM and owner that will become his demise at season’s end.
    7) Has royally pissed me off like none other.

  145. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17