OTA Week III of IV

The boys will be back at it again today, whatever “it” is. A closely guarded state secret, mostly. Then again, what’s there to reveal about practices? They got the blocking sleds, the little pads and cones that guys do the tango with, coaches closely observing, with an occasional barking attack, receivers receiving, passers passing, water boys watering, yada yada yada.

Lots of spitting, lugie hoffing, and nose honkering, probably. By the end of the four weeks of practices, there’ll be somewhere around 100,000 phlegm deposits lurking in the grass of the practice fields. You don’t want to get your face planted, that’s for sure. Dome teams practicing on artificial turf, I don’t even want to think about the globbers of noxious, icky crud lying around in plain sight all gooey and disease bearing. Definitely a fact of football that dads don’t tell moms when they sign the kid up for Pop Warner.

At the end of the practicing period in a couple weeks, the players will basically be free to dick around for a month until Training Camp opens at the end of July — just like us professional blogger types do all year long. Games will be won and lost in this self-policing period. Some guys will slide out of shape, others will tear an ACL at a picnic volleyball game, and many will get their very own mug shots down at the po-leeze station, earning a four week suspension to start the season.

None of this truant behavior will occur with our 49er boys, however, because they are dedicated, teeth flossing dudes. They are going to win the Super Bowl this year. Truancy can wait till next March, when they will be hungover with the greatness of themselves.

A couple of ex-49ers are not attending OTAs this year. Braylon Edwards is still rehabbing his injuries and has not been signed by any team yet. What the heck happened to him last year that he still hasn’t recovered from? There were never any reports of rips, tears, shreddeds, broken, or anything beyond “knee and shoulder” problems. He’s basically been out for nine months. A mystery.

The other unemployed ex-teammate is Abrayo Franklin. In two years, he’s gone from $7 million Franchise Tag guy to part time Saints D-lineman, to eating worms at home. He’s only 32, but he’s wasted two big payday years of his career overpricing himself and playing like the 5th rounder he once was. Maybe he misses Patick Willis more than the other way around. He hasn’t even signed with the Falcons to play for Mike Nolan, the guy who turned him into a somebody. In a league starved for nose tackles, he can’t find a team hungry enough to hire him. Another mystery.

Terrell Owens isn’t employed, either, but that’s no mystery. His Sharpie days are over. Not to be unduly grim or tasteless, but T.O. looks more and more like a guy who’s going to wind up on a couch, with an empty bottle of pills lying next to him, staring blankly into the eternity he’s escaped to. What he won’t have is a football after life anybody gives a shit about. When it comes to burning bridges, Owens has been a serial arsonist. He could go the Jose Canseco route, I suppose, and serve up a tell all book about his life and times inside the NFL locker rooms. It might make the Bounty scandal seem tame in comparison.

We’ll end on an uplifting note. Word out of the Bengals’ camp is that ex-49er Taylor Mays is ready to become their starting strong safety this year. Taylor will be attempting to re-scale the heights from first rounder in his own mind to second rounder in Mike Singletary’s mind to seventh round trade throw in Trent Baalke’s mind to I told you so, doubting world, I’m back! The 49ers don’t play the Bengals this year, so good luck Taylor. Not that I care, really, but I’m trying to be a nice guy in my own mind instead of one of God’s bottom round throw ins, so I can partly relate. Hang in there, old stiff hips!

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  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    “Mike Wilkening of Pro Football Weekly says heavy betting on the 49ers has moved their Super Bowl-winning odds to 4-1 recently, making San Francisco the heaviest favorite in the NFL. Jay Rood, vice president of race and sports at MGM: “Is this an accurate reflection of what I believe to be the case, that they’re the favorites for the Super Bowl? No. We’re trying to manage (the) liability at this point.” Noted: The 49ers were 40-1 long shots to win the Super Bowl a year ago. That kind of relative skepticism sets up well for a motivational-minded head coach. When the 49ers enjoyed success last season, the 49ers’ Jim Harbaugh would sometimes refer to Frederick P. Soft, a fictitious character representing accolades that can soften up a team. Mr. Soft would certainly welcome news that the 49ers are now Super Bowl favorites, at least according to Vegas.”
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    Not what Harbaugh wanted, being the favorite as he relishes the underdog role.
    Niner fans and bettors believing in this team despite Alex Smith, OH MY!!!

  2. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- If one were to read into your last post, are you saying Manning has thrown his last pass already?

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    This from SB Nation:
    a little late in getting to this report from yesterday (thanks RBoogy29 for the FanShot), but a source has told CSN Bay Area that the San Francisco 49ers and Dashon Goldson would seem to be approximately $1 million per year apart on a potential contract extension. According to the source, Goldson is seeking $8 million a year while the 49ers are offering $7 million a year.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Sorry but Goldson would be a stoopid and selfish dumbass if he didn’t take the $7mil a year the Niners were offering. I myself thinks it’s too much and I’d leave it on the table until the end of the week and withdraw it if he didn’t come to the mandatory minicamp nest week.
    The Franchise Tag salary of $6.3 mil is the average of the top 5 salaries of Safeties in 2011.
    I do not think he’s a top 5 safety so why should the Niners pay him $2 mil more a year than the average.
    Last year nobody else in the NFL would offer him more than $2.5 mil
    so he came back to the Niners with his tail between his legs.
    I am just wondering who is advising him that he should hold out for the $8mil.
    OJ Atogwe is an unsigned FA still available and would be much more cost effective. He’s also Singletary’s son-in-law.

  5. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I’m surprised that Baalke is talking close to 7 mil a year. Dashon is a really good safety and may turn into an elite safety if he has another year like last, but does he really have the body of work under his belt to warrant 7 mil?

    He has climbed his way up the ladder and deserves rewarding but I don’t see him as that value at this point in his career. Baalke is not known to overpay so I presume the guaranteed money is far lower.

  6. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    So, now we’re comparing 7th years, NoFear? Hmmmmm, how are the cherries?
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    Montana, Young, Bradshaw, Aikman, Staubach or 99.95% of the QBs in NFL history have not reached those numbers. Only run and gun teams like Indy and NE have approached those. Or the occasional team with dog shit run games (see Dan Fouts/SD, Dan Marino/Miami). So, by your logic every QB but P Manning and Tom Brady suck. Got it.
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    Do the Niners run the ball well? Did Pittsburgh? Did Dallas? If you have a balanced offense, should you throw 55 times a game? Uh, here’s a hint.
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    No.
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    Do the Niners need to improve their 3rd down conversion rate? Yes. Can they be better in the red zone? Sure. But to expect Smith to throw for 4500 yards and 45 TDs is a ludicrous argument.
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    How many 4,000 yard seasons did Joe have? 0. How many 40 TD years? 0. Even when the Niners had very little run game to speak of, Montana wasn’t putting up gaudy numbers like Manning.
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    1981, a year with no running game, Montana had 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 11 picks. And this was with the dink and dunk offense that was the WCO back then.
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    How about your pal Seve Young? Well, he pulled it off 2 4,000 yard seasons. I guess that means you think Young is the better QB.

  7. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The thing about the SB Nation Goldson deal is it is a rumor from a source. I seem to be the only Goldson fan on this blog and even I would mildly balk at 7 mil per year. But if it is front loaded or short it seems OK to me. I think Goldson is one of the better safeties in football despite what some national experts can dispute with numbers. If the rumor from a source is accurate, the 49ers rate Goldson a little higher than even me, his only fan on ths blog. But 7 mil doesn’t scare me away from him. When heathy he is a force to be reckoned with, IMO.

  8. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think comparing stats from one era to another proves anything either way. Stats are a function of scheme, talent and coaching. Singlecell failed on many levels so its not an apples to apples comparison to Harbaughs team in terms of individual stats.
    For Smith its about the ability to move the chains. League record field goals speaks to that ability more than stats.
    I was at the Shehawkes (TM Pending) game for instance where we kept stalling drives and momentum had shifted, a win was in serious doubt until Ginn amazed us all and wrapped it up. My point is there were several times in that game where Smith didn’t pass the eyeball test. I don’t know how it looked on TV but there were times when it was hard to ignore his lack of ability.

    I don’t expect perfection, drives breakdown with the best QB’s but the field goal stat is very telling.

  9. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, I’m a fan of Dashon, the team is better with him than without him. I was happy to see him back last year. I just don’t see 7 mil, 5-6 looks about right to me.

  10. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- In that Seattle game we were comming in with a new offense and no off-season to speak of. The play calling was extremely conservative at the beginning of the season and loosened up as the season went on. That game was frustrating on TV but it was about as I expected.

  11. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So we have 2 Goldson fans! I think Rob is one too. That’s 3!

  12. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    If Goldson can get 7 mil from the 49ers he should sign that sh1t and fall on his knees in thanks. If he doesn’t, he’s a knucklehead and will likely be playing for 2 or 3 next year.

  13. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    How about that NO game, 12th? Did Smith pass the eyeball test on that one?
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    If you are basing Smith’s improvement (or lack thereof) on game 1 of the 2011 season, then sure, he sucks. By the end of the year he had improved. Truth be told, he’s been playing much better since Jimmy-Hat left.
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    Yeah, they need to improve 3rd down conversions. Yeah, they need to improve in the red zone. What I liked was they addressed the dearth of WRs on the team, and got some new-found team speed in AJ and James. They also got a 3rd down back who can hopefully convert 3rd-and-short runs.
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    Improve or get left behind. It is true for Alex. It is true for everyone on the team.
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    I think Smith did better than expected last year. The past? F*** it. It doesn’t matter. PLenty of QBs had awful starts to their careers and later found success.

  14. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, those are fair points you make, they get taken into account. The offensive players were the largely the same with similar results, but from my perspective at the game there were some headshaking moments QB wise.

    Scheme wise they opened things up a bit as the year wore on, but I believe they kept it reigned in to one degree or another due to QB shortcomings.

    I don’t think they will do that as much this year, the training wheels will come off and Alex will sink or swim. I think he has earned the opportunity and he is the best QB on the team today, but if he is perceived to be holding the offense back and Harbaugh believes the backups are ready we will see a change.

    Personally I’m rooting for him, I just didn’t see enough out of him last year, despite the teams record, to annoint him our future QB.

  15. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, in my opinion for large parts of the NO game he didn’t pass the eyeball test, stalled drives etc. He played out of his skin in the 4th quarter flashing great decision making and the ability to get the ball where it needed to go. Ditto the Philly game.

    There is no doubt Smith is talented, he is not consistent. If
    I was asked what area of this tremendous team we now have I would improve it would be QB play, hopefully Alex can provide that improvement.

    As far as receivers the injury bug bit at the worst time for us and its hard to know what percentage of poor receiver play is attributal to poor QB play and vise versa.

    I think the team did better than expected by far blowing the doors off any expectations. I think Alex had his best season so far but talk of ” elite” seems premature to me.

  16. barleyfreakNo Gravatar says:

    Berger — I’m pro Goldson. But like others, I don’t think he’s worth as much as he (apparently) thinks he is. If the niners offered 7 mil, then that is more than generous and he’d be stupid (again) for not taking it. But their style is, “this is what we think you’re worth, take it or leave it.” He will NOT see 8 mil.

  17. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    ,Something else Chuck, I would argue they need to improve first and second downs in order to reduce down and distance issues that resulted in terrible third down conversions.

    Its overall QB efficiency that needs improvement. Not meaning TD to INT ratings but in moving of chains, sustaining drives.

    I don’t base my opinion of Smith on one game or season, there is a pattern to his play. Granted last season, with better coaching and a scheme tailored to his skillset we saw improvement and in some instances dramatic improvement but I stand by my previous comments.

  18. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    12th: What we all want to see from Alex is consistency. We know he can shoot out the lights sometimes. We also know he can suck dog poo for long stretches. All he needs to do is play efficiently for long stretches of a game. He is working on his mechanics, which will help, and he will be in his second year in Harbaugh’s offense. If he succeeds, we just may get number six this year. If he fails, JJ or Kaepernick will get his chance.

  19. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, I’d agree with that.  

    This season will be harder than last so the upgrades to the offense and a full training camp will be needed.

     
    I can’t stand the Steelers at 6, sticks in my craw bigtime and we were so close I could taste it.

  20. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    12th, the failings of the previous regimes have been chronicled to death. Here and elsewhere. Mainly because of what you said. 3rd and long. Under Singletary, and Nolan before him, more often than not the Niners were in way too many 3rd and 7 to 3rd and 15 type situations. Last year the 3rd down rate was pretty bad, BUT the points scored improved dramatically. Here are pts scored since the dawn of the Nolan era:

    2005 – 30th – 14.9 ppg, 239 pts
    2006 – 24th – 18.6 – 298
    2007 – 32nd – 13.7 – 219
    2008 – 22nd – 21.2 – 339
    2009 – 18th – 20.6 – 330
    2010 – 24th – 19.1 – 305
    2011 – 11th – 23.8 – 380
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    75 points is pretty dramatic improvement seeing as the offense was nearly the same in 2010 as it was in 2011.
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    And yeah, like Grump said, comsistency is key. I by no means think Alex is anything more than what he is. And, in actuality he’s still a work in progress. Last year was his first year with anything resembling an offensive mind that was more nuanced than Gore left, Gore right, 3rd and 12, chuck and duck.
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    What does it mean? Nothing until the shit happens on the field. The team is even hedging its bet with Alex. So, we all might as well. That being said, I’m optimistic that this team stays on its upward trajectory. With Alex as the QB.

  21. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, field position and field goals = more points scored.
     
    Standing on the sidelines reading the posts I got a sense that Alex was untouchable for criticism mainly due to the amazing win/loss record. 

    I don’t think it’s necessary to be a lover or hater of Smith to be objective about his displayed skills so far. 

    I’m pulling for the kid and agree with you he is in the best position of his career to showcase himself. 

    I’m also optimistic for the coming season. It’s great to look at the coming schedule and not fear any opponent or to decide which games I’m going to without that defeat sitting in the bottom of my stomach but instead relish the competition. 

    My guess for the win/loss this season is 11-5 and that is by no means easy given the schedule, short weeks and travel. 

    In the division 4-2 is my best guess.  

    The stick my neck out prediction is a win in Green Bay.

  22. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    11-5 is a damned good season and should in no way be seen as as a setback. A few games each year depend on luck – fumble bounces and such. We got the benefit of that last year. This year things could swing the other way. So 11-5 and I think we have done well. Then it would just come down to the playoffs.

  23. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    NF, I don’t see TB and Harbaugh as sentimental guys. The second J.J., Kaepernick or someone else offers more on the field than Alex, he’ll be on the bench. And no extra credit for being a good caddy. Also don’t see them ignoring the QB situation as Scotty and Singletary did. These two will not leave themselves with no other good long term options as S and S did. If there is a need for a change, they will find a way to get it done. Alex *will* be better this year on Third Down – or else.

  24. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, all 4 coaches featured a run first philosophy, and not only because of a lack of faith in Smith.
     
    Also, Smith has performed better with coaches that tailored there offense to cover his weaknesses, Turner, Harbaugh.
     
    That he has under performed expectations and contracts is unquestionable. Is it all his own fault, no.
     
    He improved without question last year, partly due to scheme and partly due to confidence, winning is a great ego boost. In my view he became a more or less average QB in the league. Previously he had not come close to that standard.
     
    Do you think he deserves to remain the starter to begin the season?

    Who do you see as the presumptive starter if not Smith?
     
    The last 2 questions are not meant to be argumentative, I was hoping for your opinion.
     

  25. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, if my memory serves TB said at the end of 2010 that he thought Smith had played his last game for the Niners.
     
    I took that to mean both Smith did not want to return and TB didn’t want him. I don’t think that’s the case for either of them at the moment.
     
    I think your dead on with your assessment of JH and TB. I don’t buy for a minute the “sentimental” Alex is our guy company line. He keeps up with the new offense or it’s “don’t let the door hit you in the rear”

  26. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    12th, that plays its part, but the team has to at least GET to FG position. There weren’t too many 3-and-kick-a-FG drives. For a year-to-year deal, a major improvement.
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    Yer first sentence says it all, NoFear. Not too many QBs have had the same shit to deal with as Smith has. However, Sam Bradford is getting a taste of it as well, though. After a stellar rookie year, he had a major crash and burn. Is he dog shit? Is he better than 2-14? Is he better than the 30th rated QB in the league last year? Sure. He’s getting screwed by the people around him. Was his first year a mirage? We’ll see. He gets another crop of coaches around him and he has a new system to learn this year. We’ll see how it goes for him.
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    When Gore had his best season (2006), the Niners were 7-9. That was ‘his’ team. Teams that feature their RB as the go-to guy rarely reach the playoffs. Dennis is right when he says coaches that don’t consider the QB the most important guy on the field will not succeed. Harbaugh did what he did to instill confidence in Alex Smith.
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    Did it work? Well, what’s the measure? Stats? No. Wins? Maybe not, but yer getting closer. To a man, the players support Alex (a reluctant WR notwithstanding). But the team is hedging its bet. Rightly so. If he flames out, its the Cappy Kaepernick show.
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    The fact you call last year nothing points to your bias, NoFear. You don’t have to annoint him as Joe II, but give Smith some credit.

  27. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    12th, I’m about 95% sure that if the 2010 offseason was not marred by the lockout, Smith would have hit the road. He would have taken just about any deal to get out of Dodge. His last game of the 2010 season, much was made of the fact he was wearing a SD Padres cap in the locker room.
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    It was a strange convergence of events (a tornado of bullshit?) that kept Smith here. Harbaugh, for reasons known only to him (Ego? Hubris? Pride? ESP? Omniscience?,) wooed the shit out of Alex and pretty much begged him to stay. A couple botched ST plays, and the Niners could very easily have won it all.
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    So, once again, here we are. Pinning the hopes of the team on Alex.

  28. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    So, once again, here I am. Emptying my liquor cabinet because of Alex Smith.

  29. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Hey, “tornado of bullshit” is my line. I stole it fair and square from NoFear!

  30. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, you’re right on both answers with a caveat. I think the Niners had the best starting field position in the league last year (?) and the most defensive turnovers, so although Smith gets a bump in the scoring column he really didn’t have to much of a hand in it.
     
    Dennis, at least now you are emptying your liquor cabinet and not your stomach because of Smith!

  31. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Seahags were caught cheating by having live contact drills during OTAs
    Naturally Pete Carroll had something to say and admitted to it but pleading ignorance.
    NFL stripped them of their final 2 OTAs but have yet to fine Carro9ll

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/876t9c7

  32. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Sounds like Carrol is spewing a “tornado of bullshit.”

  33. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Anthony Dixon couldn’t get a 1st down on 2nd and 1, and then 3rd and 1 on consecutive plays.
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    Dashon Goldson broke up 2 interceptions.
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    Harbaugh called a double reverse on a wet field which resulted in an 8 yard loss, 3rd and 17, and a near disastrous turnover.
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    There are a ton of plays that you can point to as turning points. The most egregious of course being the punt screw-ups. They were the easiest to avoid.
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    And how did you glean the knowledge that Nolan was forced to play Smith by the ‘higher-ups’? I mean it was obvious that Smith, Nolan’s hand-picked guy in 2005, was on the outs with Nolan by the way Nolan talked behind his back to the team after his shoulder injury, but Nolan was the GM. Who stopped him from trying to replace Smith? Paraage? Dr. John Kedorkian? Jed? Nowhere in the past or present was it even hinted that Nolan wanted to get QB x, y, or z.
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    The point being, if the Niners had won it all, I don’t think the attitude of a lot of people would change regarding Alex Smith. I mean if you compare Smith’s numbers to say, Trent Dildo and Ron Johnson and their Super Bowl years, the comparison isn’t close. Smith had a good year, and he did very well in the playoffs.

  34. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I’m trying to stay out of the fray and have been biting my tongue but I can’t sit by quietly while the tornado of BS comes through to try to mislead everyone.
    Mike Nolan coached 55 games spanning 3 and a half seasons as the Niner Head Coach. For the last part of 2007 and all of 2008
    Alex Smith was injured and didn’t play. When Nolan was fired his QBs were JT O’Sullivan & Shaun Hill
    Simple question is how did Alex Smith get Nolan fired when he was
    not playing for what amounted to
    Nolan’s last 15 games with the Niners because he was on IR???
    Let’s call a spade a spade. This is nothing but an Alex Haters propaganda smear campaign that distorts the truth continuously and ad nauseum
    Somebody’s creditbility is seriously at stak here.

  35. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaug’s Presser from this afternoon. Look out, he mentioned
    that he had to look at the tape to answer a question.
    http://tinyurl.com/7ekdgog

    He mentioned that Cam Johnson had a minor procedure done and was missing time as a result.

  36. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Pete Carroll seems to be making a career of cheating.

    NoFear, a few thoughts come to mind. Nolan did intend a low risk heavy running game WCO with a raucous defense something along the lines of Baltimore at the time.
    He inherited an absolute shambles and managed to get the organization side of things back up and his drafting was decent mostly, except choosing Alex over Aaron was a disaster for him. His coaching was not up to much. Very conservative and his defense always seemed to find a way to lose. He had no QB to speak of but he was GM after all so he was to blame for that.
    His handling of the political side of football was clumsy and the aggregation of these factors and his win loss record did him in.

    Bullit, I doubt there are many GM/Coaches that could survive a first round QB bust, which Alex was to most people up until last season, so in that way I reckon Alex contributed heavily to Nolan’s firing.

    I was never a fan of Scotty McDrunkie and after Nolan was canned I think he was out of his depth.

  37. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Dan Snyder, owner of the Redskins left 3 gallons of vanilla ice cream on the desk of his then DC, Mike Nolan, sending the message his defense was too vanilla. I think that was still the case at the Niners.

  38. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There is no doubt about Nolan being vanilla on defense. I don’t even mind vanilla but at least be aggressive. He was the exact opposite. Vanilla and read was Nolan. I used to joke with my friends that Nolan’s philosophy was to keep the opposing team’s offense on the field to try and wear them out. I’m not sure that should be classified as a joke, it seemed all too real.

  39. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Nolan stuck those three cartons if Vanilla together and made a NT, but unfortunately he couldn’t play any better then Anthony Addams, Not stout up the middle and gooey at the edge, and slow downfield. But hey, those three and outs gave Andy Lee the time to become the greatest punter ever. When Lee quits the NFL he has a black project in BMD, knocking down Russian ICBMs with foot launched oblate spheroidal kill vehicles.

  40. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    12th man
    Anyone who solely blames Alex Smith for Nolan’s demise is in a comatose state of denial.
    The Aaron Rodgers debate has been talked to death and I’m suprised it still comes up. That is a non diacussion item unless you think you have every draft figured out perfectly.

  41. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, I think I layed out a number of things that ended Nolan’s tenure and there were many more also. You asked how Smith was to blame for Nolan’s firing and I offered a scenario I think contributed heavily not solely

    The Rodgers comparison was a retrospective, as in looking back on the decision it played a big part in Nolan’s demise, not that anyone knew that at the time.

    I am looking forward to the Packer game this year, I think we can win it and I am excited to see what offense they roll out.

    I do of course have every draft figured out perfectly, however it takes me 3 years to understand what I knew in the first place.

  42. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, I would argue its nonsense to put a rookie QB into a dreadfully talentless team and not run the ball.

    I think the result with the defense was not to win, not sure what his idea was.

    As far as Snyder I just thought it was funny.

  43. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks for clarifying NoFear.
    I still believe Nolan intended a run heavy offense similar to the Ravens where he had been hired from. Stout defense, run the ball, game manager QB.

    I agree it takes time and personnel to go from 4-3 to 3-4, In my opinion I saw little to no improvement defensively during his tenure. Manusky did little better.

  44. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I just laugh at the revisionist history that’s advance on this blog to promote an agenda.
    Pretty weak to say that Nolan was in process of installing his defense 50+ games into his tenure
    unless he was on the 10 year plan.
    I still don’t get how you spin the fact that Alex Smith was your scapegoat for Nolan’s firing when he was out of the picture completely in Nolan’s last 15 games as coach. Naturally as usual this fact is being dodged
    because it would derail the propaganda machine. The tornado of BS just keeps spinning.

  45. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Head coaches are judged by their won loss record. Nolan was 18-37
    which is a .327 winning percentage. That’s the main reason he was canned because he was incompetent as a head coach.

  46. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Yes, he was incompetent as a head coach, but he could drive a bus. Right over players. Nothing, and I mean nothing, was ever Nolan’s fault if you listened to his pressers.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Anybody remember when he challenged a made FG?

  48. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Everyone seems to think throwing receivers open happens instantly. Doing that in a new scheme creates turnovers. Alex has had a new scheme every year he has played. Let’s see what happens this year with him and the rest of the offense able to use the same scheme as last year and build on it. Actually, he did get to run the same offense with Raye for some games, but running a 3rd and long scheme doesn’t help any passing game.

  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    One thing Alex Smith has to do this year is have faith in his
    receivers to make plays. If he throws a 50/50 pass he’s got to have the confidence that his guy will make the play.
    Cutting the sack total to under 30
    will help the efficiency of the offense tremendously.
    FYI I saw an article on Dontay Moch and his struggles to adapt to the NFL.
    Do a search but it’s within the last 2 days.

  50. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    This is Alex’s 2nd year in a competent offense. Coaching and consistency has a lot to with what you are talking about. I’m not worried, are you?
     
    I saw that about Moch. Other info I read a while back tells me he might have been on steroids to get where he is. I’m not sayin’, just sayin’.
     
    Why did the #1 WR recruit in the nation decommit to Texas? Where is he rumored to go?

  51. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The guy you’re talking about is Ricky Seals-Jones. He committed to Texas and now wants to decommit
    because he wants to play basketball too. With the overlap in season that’s tough to do and maintain a high level of play,
    And academically you normally take a lighter course load during your sport’s season.
    LSU, Baylor and A&M have told him no problem as has Cal.
    He says Texas is still in it but wants to explore options. Once a guy decommits he’s 70% gone so I’m not too optimistic.

  52. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    He can’t even decide his last name. He has a hyphen in it. Maybe he wants to go to UT-Baylor, or LSU-Cal? We already know he wants to play football-basketball. I hope he has ruled out USC-Stanford!

  53. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Are you worried about the issues with Alex Smith you talked about? I’m not.

  54. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Its cool we had a good run defense in Manusky’s first year. Unfortunately its a passing league so limiting the passing game is at least as important. I have sat in the stands and been amazed at the 15 yd cushions from the line of scrimmage given up by our cornerbacks almost certainly giving away first downs.

    Prevent defense was the mantra of Nolan and Manusky, implemented the way they did it only prevented a win for us.

    Last year we still gave up too many long plays through the air but it was manageable

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- When you play as aggressively as we did last year you will give up some big plays. Conversely, look at how many turnovers we created. A big play, either way, gets the defense off the field.
     
    Like I was saying last night, Nolan and Sing would try to keep the other team’s offense on the field to wear them out!

  56. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I want the best QB we have on the roster to start. I think Alex Smith is treated as the whipping boy too often. I feel those that criticize Alex never come up with a realistic alternative or just like to whine and not commit to an alternative because they fear the payback if their choice doesn’t perform.
    Looking for a 24 TD 12 Int and 25 sack year for AS and he would’ve met my personal milestones I think he needs to achieve.
    In short I’m optimistic he’s going to make a big step forward
    and the team will benefit.
    At the same time I hope they give the backups some quality playing time to gain some menaingful experience.

  57. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, agreed on both points. I’m sure Donatello is working on limiting big gains since we play the five most prolific passers from last year.

    Bullit, in past years I have felt there was a viable alternative to Alex, dump him. He did enough last year to earn his starting position rather than just be our best alternative.

    I expect to see improvement from him this year. I just hope its enough to push us over the top.

  58. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    To all, please excuse spelling errors and the lack of paragraphs. Typing on a phone with fat fingers is a challenge and I can’t figure out how to make a paragraph from a mobile.

    If anyone has the answer I’d be grateful.

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Try typing   in the space break between paragraphs.

  60. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Actually, it didn’t show. Type &nbsp ; without the space between the p and the ;. That will give you a paragraph break. Since my laptop does not have a seperate number pad I have to do it that way from that device.

  61. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Until about 2 years ago the needs
    for the Niners was an edge pass rusher and cover corners.
    They’ve checked those boxes with Brooks and Aldon Smith and the addition of Rogers and Culliver the emergence of T Brown.
    Not constantly trying to patch up
    holes and weaknesses means your team has become a contender and we’re almost there.
    Adding diamonds in the rough that will project into elite players down the road is a luxury the Niners use to enjoy and can do do once more.

  62. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    The telling thing that NoFear says is Nolan gets 3+ years to install his defense, yet Alex Smith is supposed to hit the ground as an elite QB while playing behind a squad with very little talent.
    .
    Funny, no?
    .
    The rush defense improved because teams were killing the Niners in the air. The killer for me was seeing the Niners in a prevent defense with Pittsburgh on our 2 yard line. I think it was 2007. That’s when I knew Nolan was out of his depth. When the worm turned.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    I think trying to play football/basketball at a high level is a pipe dream. Take Cahrlie Ward and John Paye who did both. They turned out average
    or serviceable at both, Choose one and try to excel. Your body and your brain need to rest because otherwise it becomes too much.

  64. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    I just remembered that Julius Peppers tried to do it at Carolina
    but he was more of a novelty in basketball who was brought in to oush people around and intimidate.
    Peppers couldn’t make it in the NBA.

  65. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Tony Gonzalez did a pretty good job at both . . .

  66. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    You’re correct about Gonzo and to a certain extent Teyo Johnson at Stanfoed too.

  67. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I saw him play at Cal, and he would have made a very good basketbal player.

  68. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- You’re correct about 4th in points allowed, nice. We were 18th in yds allowed. Not so nice.

  69. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    What exactly was the point of saying this? “It’s hilarious how the HC or the DC is responsible for the defense depending on whether it was good or bad and the point the writer is trying to make.”
    Nolan didn’t have a Defensive Coordinator in his first 2 seasons as Head Coach. He assumed that role when he was hired as HC and the Niners were pathetic. Who should be held responsible then?
    It just so happened that the defense improved when Manusky came aboard.

  70. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Actually, Nolan DID have a DC. I forget his name – Davis? – but he had his responsibilities taken away after a horrible performance, and Nolan assumed his duties. Then gave them to Manusky when he arrived.
     
    Remember we were starting guys no one had ever heard of at first in Nolan’s secondary. Mike Adams and some guy named Carpenter to name two. We were just as awful on offense. Anthony Clements anyone?
     
    Nolan may not have been a very good coach but he did not have much to work with, either. My main beef with him is he did not seem to go after NTs and OLBs to make his 3-4 work nearly as aggressively as I wished he had. Wonder if he regrets that too.

  71. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy

    You;re right about Davis. Billy Davis was his name and he went on to Ariz to fail there too.
    I stand corrected but it is curious that his name was removed
    as being DC

  72. robNo Gravatar says:

    NOFEAR !

    OMG ! in 09 singletary was HC !

    so we finally have an ok year defensively when a sub-par HC like sing is HC .

    what does that say about your boi nolan ???!!!

  73. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    The defensive improvement I was talking about wasn’t statistically, it was about holding a 4th quarter lead to win games. I suppose I could do all the research to see if I am correct but I was at many of those games and lived the disappointments of losing games we had a lead in because the defense couldn’t get their offense off the field.

    So glad those days are behind us.

    I don’t think its any secret Nolan’s defense was on the field whoever had the title of DC.

    I thought it was cowardly of Manusky to say Singlecell was holding him back scheme wise when he left for San Diego.
    Sure looked like the same defense he had in San Diego to me.

  74. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah 12th, if Manusky had improved things in SD he might have been taken seriously.
    .
    NoFear, what’s your point about the 2009 defense? Nolan was gone halfway through 2008. So, Nolan’s defense finally came to fruition half a year after he laft?
    .
    You can count the 4th quarter leads the Niners lost in 2008-2010. I think it was about 8. A lot of those early games, the conservative offesne put the defense on the field too much. Hence a lot of early deficits. Then they’d open things up and start scoring. Most of the time they couldn’t seal the deal.
    .
    So, naturally they’d go right back to conservative and fall behind, open things up, score, but not win. There was ONE game (JAX) that they came out more aggressive than usual (not saying much) and won that game fairly handily.

  75. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I miss the Pete McCulley/Fred O’Connor era. I attended every one of those games. Glutton meet Punishment.

  76. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Did you guys hear that all the TC practices (except the one at the ‘Stick) will be closed to the public because of early construction conflicts? At least that’s what they’re slinging. I think it’s more of Harbaugh’s BS and wanting to be secretive and not wanting to have to deal with the media and/or fans. Might carry over for 2013 as well.
     
    I love Harbaugh the HC and gameday strategist. But outside of that I think he’s a lying asshole of a prick.

  77. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis
    It was triple threat with Ken Meyer too

  78. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Or more like 12 leads lost. Are some of Smith or a sputtering O sure. But games like the Atl game (Spencer’s infamous fumble game) and the Saints game (Smith leads a 4th quartr comeback only to see the D give up sideline passes when all the DBs are playing the sidelines.
    .
    And that’s my point in all this. Harbaugh gets crap for spoon feeding his offense to Smith, but he let Smith do more and more as the season progressed. The pervious group of OCs and HCs stifled Smith to the point of unadulterated blandness. Both coaches said the offense would go through Gore. Hmmm. How do you defend that? 8 in the box. I point more to Sing for this being a huuuge problem, but Nolan fell victim to this as well. They would play close to the vest and hope the defense would hold in the end. Much more often than not it didn’t. Even if given a lead.

  79. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’m sure you are breaking Jim’s heart, Dennis.

  80. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Aubrayo *eventually* was a very solid NT. It took a few years.
     
    I’m just surprised that a 3-4 guy would rely on the waiver wire to get his starting NT.

  81. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Aubrayo was decent after Nolan left. Nolan was making him hold the point every play. OK, maybe only 95% of the time. When Nolan left he was allowed to get some penetration, something Nolan appalled. His game improved and he was rewarded. With Nolan around he would just been another blocking sled.

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I really don’t give a rat’s ass about Mike Nolan. He had his chance with the Niners and failed miserably. Why even bother discussing his merits? He’s history and long gone.
    The tornado of BS is trying to spin a 18-37 as being acceptable.
    So what’s the outcome here? Shall we build a statue of Mike Nolan at the new stadium?
    A good indicator is he will never be a head coach in the NFL. Come talk to me when he proves me wrong.

  83. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    The team improved with good coaching. Plain and simple. Nolan was horseshit in the end. Singletary was horseshit in the end. They both succumbed to the vagaries of being the top dog, and they both went mutiny on the bounty bat shit crazy.
    .
    You’ve been bemoaning Smith as the coach killer, and now we get the spiel that last year was a mirage. Why? Because a good coaching staff got a good year out of him. What then? You bemoan the fact that he doesn’t put up Manning type numbers.
    .
    In other words, if he won it all last year, your opinion wouldn’t change. If he wins it all this year, your opinion won’t change.
    .
    If he throws for 3,500 yards, and something like 21 TDs and 10 ints, and they win the whole thing, you’ll whine to the high heavens about what a joke he is and how they should move on.
    .
    Bully.

  84. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- It is obvious you do not know much about D-line play. The other thing is I’m not sure you know how to read. I wasn’t criticizing Franklin, I was criticizing your boy Nolan. Try reading it again, you might get it this time.
     
    Franklin was actually not bad when allowed to play to his strengths. As a HC Nolan was square peg in round hole. I know you won’t understand what that means so I’ll explain. Nolan had a way he wanted his system to run. It did not matter what players were good at or not so good at. Our new coaching staff understands the theory of playing players to their strengths. Result, 13-3 and 2 fumbles from the Super Bowl.

  85. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    BTW- I was a big Anthony Adams fan. We even used to e-mail each other. We stopped that when he left the 49ers.

  86. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Like I’ve always said I don’t understand “code” but clearly you wrote “It’s pretty simplistic and often wrong to conclude a coach is no good because his team doesn’t win enough.”
    I think I understand perfectly but you use the same tired defeatist tactics which is apparent to all except yourself.
    NG in a extended myopic denial coma.

  87. robNo Gravatar says:

    ok here’s all you need to know

    rob’s final grades

    aubrayo franklin NT / B-
    mike nolan DC / C+
    mike nolan head coach/ D
    greg manusky DC / B-

  88. robNo Gravatar says:

    GRUMPY

    that was one of my biggest issues with nolan ! for someone who brought the 3-4 defense here , he never seemed to put the emphasis on NT like he should have ! i kept wanting to see sopoaga at NT but it never happened !

  89. robNo Gravatar says:

    BULLIT

    ” “It’s pretty simplistic and often wrong to conclude a coach is no good because his team doesn’t win enough.” ”

    I think I understand perfectly which is apparent to all except yourself.

    lol

  90. robNo Gravatar says:

    NOFEAR and ALL

    now i’m going to put it behind me and lay the nolan years to rest !
    mike nolan helped make this team what it is today ! his best attribute was being able to bring in quality people to play football for us ! people like p willis , frank gore and justin smith among many others ! these guys are the reason we are so good right now ! how many defenses call out and turn on their offenses when they’re carrying the load as much as ours did ! our guys just went out and played harder !
    nolan also led us to trent baalke ! not too shabby !
    i think the guy worked his butt off and added to our team ! if i met him today i would shake his hand and thank him for all his efforts !
    i also thank god every day he isn’t our head coach anymore and that jim harbaugh is !

  91. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Rob- I think your 4:38 post is good. I also think you were very generous with your Nolan HC grade.

  92. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Manusky, one and done in San Diego. That says something about him since they kept Turner.

    Franklin, one and done for the Saints. Currently unemployed.
    He was a decent player for us but priced himself out of the team then was disappointing with the Saints.

    Dashon should pay close attention to that.

    Rob, nice post 4:38 but for me a bit rose colored.

    I would lower all your grades one level too.

  93. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Rob

    “I think I understand perfectly which is apparent to all except yourself.”

    Please explain

  94. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Nogutz

    Still awaiting a reply that Harbaugh and Baalke exposed the Niners by not signing Smith while pursuing Manning.
    A little slip there? You regard Smith as a piece of crap QB so where’s the exposure?
    Your nonreply just tells me you stuck your foot in your mouth AGAIN and are dodging the question whixh justifies the Nogutz nickname. Wear it proudly.

  95. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    ROB!!! Singletary had to be talked into drafting P Willie. That’s not on Nolan.
    .
    NoFear, as usual, you make no sense. Do you speak in tongues?

  96. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Nogutz

    Another statement by you in code

    “Talk about batshit crazy. He’s the guy that roots for the laundry and insists everyone else do likewise”

    Yes I root for the Niners and you call me a cheerleader for that.
    Please learen what “supporter” means. You feel it gives you license to take cheap potshots at the team and spread your message of hate.
    They have a great season and you’re constantly pointing everything wrong while trying to give Mike Nolan more credit than he ever deserved. Just keep living in the past like your bro V.

  97. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear’s agenda appears to be nothing more than discussing the merits of the team when it was run into the ground by (18-37) Nolan, and what an excellent job he did of that.
    .
    Carry on, Skippy.

  98. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, the guys are kind of piling on here. You need me to throw a flag for unsportsmanlike?

  99. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Unfanlike conduct . . .
    .
    It’s a joke, Skippy. Settle.

  100. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NF, I suppose it depends how you define improvement. We repeatedly gave up leads and lost games for basically the same reason under Nolan/Manusky.

    As for Franklin, NT is a premium position, I think it matters those teams playing 3-4 have not hired him. I am sure he will get picked up but its telling it hasn’t happened as yet.

  101. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here I am again rooting for the laundry. Yes I’m passionate about the Niners and I thought this was a 49er’s fan blog.
    These days maybe 10% of the players sign with one team and spend their whole careers with the same team.
    That phrase rooting for the laundry is oudated. I can’t help it if rooting for the laundry
    displeases some hater here because I don’t see an alternative.
    Criticize the team all you want
    but back it up.

  102. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Finally a video of all the Niner QBs in action from 49ers.com

    http://tinyurl.com/78zstqq

  103. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NF, I categorize the Franklin situation much like the Alex Smith situation.
    Both were free agents with little to no interest generated in their services.
    It seems to me if they were upgrades over a teams existing players they would have been signed.
    I read lots of “reasons” why Alex didn’t generate much interest and you raise some points why Franklin is unsigned but its simply they are not perceived to be better than teams have now.
    They are considered back ups, or at least not upgrades by other teams at this present time.
    For me that conclusion is inescapable.

  104. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NF, meant to add, your point about “sorry we lost lets figure out why” is exactly my issue with Nolan/Manusky.
    The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
    I can’t for the life of me understand why they kept defending 4th quarter leads, basically the same way, with the same results.

    What have you got to lose except losing?

    Well their jobs is what they ultimately lost.

  105. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Now this will burst your little bubble.

    http://tinyurl.com/7nruofg

    Listen closely what Nolan has to say on what it takes to keep your job.

  106. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Oops double post. Sorry about that

  107. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here are the NFL teams that are using the 3-4 defense in 2012
    Arizona Cardinals
    Baltimore Ravens
    Dallas Cowboys
    Green Bay Packers
    Houston Texans
    Kansas City Chiefs
    Indianapolis Colts
    New England Patriots
    New York Jets
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    San Diego Chargers
    San Francisco 49ers
    Washington Redskins

    Not too many teams you say?

  108. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit you are the Google research master!

  109. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I guess that means Aubrayo is the 14th best NT? Or not?

  110. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It is nice to see good mechanics from all 4 QBs. I don’t think we have had a coach teach that skill as well since Norv Turner.

  111. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  112. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    NG

    Working through you toirnado of BS
    lets tie up some loose ends.
    A few posts back you launched the idea that Alex Smith might have been devastated being left in the dark while the Niners pursued Manning. A sound conspiracy theory? Not really because Manning and Smith shared the same agent Tom Condon andit was likely that Smith knew more on what was going on with Manning than the Niners. Maybe this makes too much sense.
    As for A Franklin he’s the FA player looking for a job and needs to fit in. To say that he’s only capable of playing a certain technique makes him Albert Hayneworth and he doesn’t begin to measure up in the talent dept. Seems like you;re babying AF and making excuses for him.
    Your statement saying Niner management forced Nolan to play Alex Smith leading to his firing
    is beyond ridiculous when Smith was on IR and missed Nolan’s last 15 games. I just can’t think this through and how you arrived at this conclusion.

2021 Schedule
09/12 - 10:00 AM @ DET
09/19 · 10:00 AM @ PHI
09/26 · 5:20 PM v GB
10/03 · 1:05 PM v SEA
10/10 · 1:25 PM @ AZ
10/17 BYE
10/24 · 5:20 PM v IND
10/31 · 10:00 AM @ CHI
11/07 · 1:25 PM v AZ
11/15 · 5:15 PM v LAR
11/21 · 10:00 AM @ JAX
11/28 · 1:25 PM v MIN
12/05 · 5:20 PM @ SEA
12/12 · 10:00 AM @ CIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
 
2020 Prognostications (Mulligan Version)
WINNERS:
Bullit: 6-10
NJ49er: 6-10

LOSERS:
Skeebers: 7-9
Winder: 4-12

ABSTAINERS:
Grumpy: DNP
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