Manhood Test

Here comes Seattle. If the 49ers beat them, they’ll be alive for a playoff berth and we’ll have a week and a half to gloat. If they beat us, we’ll have ten months of agony and upheaval staring us in the face.


At least in Thursday night’s game, when our offense stumblebums around in its hair-pulling fashion, we can blame the Seahawks defense instead of our own ineptitude. Perhaps this will provide some solace as we sit through yet another in a year long series of nail-biters.

I know one Thanksgiving prayer we fans will all be chanting if the game comes down to the last moments and the 49ers have the ball deep in Seattle territory with Richard Sherman single covering Michael Crabtree: “No! No! Don’t do it, Colin! Look for Boldin, Vernon, anybody else! Please!”

Neither of these teams has a very good offense. They both go only as far as their defenses allow them. In fact, the entire NFC West is offense-deficient, defense-proficient. No offense in the league wants to play anybody in the NFCW. Those teams can win, but god does it hurt, and it’s a lot of work. Teams would rather get out scored by the Packers or Patriots, than knocked silly in an NFCW 17-16 survival war.

If the Niners do lose this game, they’ll sink to the #3 team in the division. Meaning that since Jim Harbaugh unceremoniously and [in]famously benched Alex Smith in 2012 to promote Colin Kaepernick because Kap gave the team “a better chance to win,” the team has gone from #1 in 2012, to #2 in 2013, to #3 this year. God help them if Alex had stayed as the starting QB, they’d probably be #4 by now. Which is where this team seems more likely headed than back up to #1.

Or they could win this game, Kap could finally hit the fade to the corner of the end zone, and doomsday would be averted — for ten more days.

Fun stuff, this fan hysteria thing.

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I have never been a fan of the fade route. But since RoBaugh likes it I just hold my breath every time we run it. I would rather have a well designed play than a 50/50 ball.

  2. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I see every team in the league relying on this play. Have no idea why.

  3. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The fade is a powerful RZ weapon, There are QBs and WRs in the league who excel at it. The corner has to dedicate himself to guarding corner, which opens underneath. With a back or TE crossing into or through underneath, somebody is often left open. You see that regularly in the top passing offenses.

    I have my doubts about our current crop of wideouts for this play. Perhaps Lloyd is good at it. Though I am a Kappy fan, I have no doubt that he is not good at throwing it.

  4. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    RT- Yeah, it’s about match-ups. When a team like the match-up they go to the fade. It’s the reason I wanted Kelvin Benjamin in the draft, for this play. If we had Benjamin I would probably like the fade route play.

    Are there any WRs in this year’s draft like that? I don’t know. NJ, chime in buddy.

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Nevada has a red shirt sophomore named Hassan Henderson. He’s 6’5″/220 with good hands. He got hurt two weeks ago and did not play this week. It’s possible he might not play again this year. He’ll probably return for his junior year but he can play. He played QB in high school. Somebody to keep an eye on. If he came out for the draft we could probably get him mid to late round.

  6. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I think the time to use the fade route is when you’re down to your final play and get a desired match-up. Like Kap to Crab on the final play of the half on Sunday before the FG. I didn’t mind us using it in Seattle last year except the timing of it was bad. We didn’t need it yet. I hope everybody learned from that so that play wasn’t in vein.

  7. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger I haven’t done a lot of homework on the WRs as a group yet.

    I’ve been more focused on my never-ending search for the ‘Fat Man in the Middle’.

    Justin is nearing the end, and thus far, Tank seems to be on roller skates whenever I see him in there.

    We need a channel marker type guy who can plug, collapse inside and, keep the LBs clean.

    Thus far, Danny Shelton looks the best that I’ve seen on paper.

    I haven’t changed my view much regarding WRs and our lack of creativity to use them however.
    We’ve got an experienced bunch right now and production flat out sucks.
    This is the reason I think Crabtree exhibits the attitude he does.

    I still call for more WCO-oriented influence to generate rhythm.

    We rarely utilize the short middle, either for blitz beaters, or shallow crossers.

    RBs and TEs need to be major factors there, along with Kaep learning to see them and, adjust his cannon arm to incorporate them in the scheme.

    I’m convinced, thus far, that Roman and Harbaugh just can’t find a way to achieve this facet of passing acumen.

    We’ll see what they’ve learned tomorrow night.
    If anything.

  8. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Wishing you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving.

    Tomorrow’s 5:30 start time is really screwing with my long-standing Thanksgiving football viewing and cooking schedule. I really wish the NFL would have consulted me first. This is a total affront to my Thanksgiving holiday tradition. When do I roast my young Cornish game hen. Make my stuffing and extra creamy mashed potatoes. Mix my pineapple and yam sweet dish. Prepare a spinach dip appetizer. And bake my blueberry goddamn pie? I’m totally flummoxed.

    All this for football? I quit.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    BTW, no Thanksgiving is complete without watching “The Wizard of Oz.” I watched it twice again just the other night. I’m addicted to Dorothy. My favorite musical number without question is “Merry Old Land of Oz.” I can’t get that little ditty out of my head. I’d say it was driving me to insanity, but I’m way ahead of the game. 馃槢

    I found this version of “Merry Old Land of Oz” from the “Graham Norton Show.” It’s a great talk show from across the pond, and Graham gets all the A-list celebs. Anywho, guess which girl is my favorite Dorothy?

    If you didn’t say Sophie, you haven’t been paying attention all these years. I love this song. Laugh the day away…

  9. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Happy Thanksgiving Del.
    I’d suggest blowing off the early game and use that time to get yourself situated.
    The Bears are pretty much on life support with little chance of advancement at this point.

    Our hope right now is to have Detroit tank if we can’t handle our business against Seattle tomorrow night.

    Admittedly, I don’t think we’re firing well enough on Offense to scare anyone right now and, our D-Line is going to be challenged vs Lynch.

    Harbaugh had better have some new wrinkles for us or, this could be a long night.

  10. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Be sure to sharpen the pitchforks and fuel up the torches too, in case we produce another lack-luster Offensive showing tomorrow night.


    Let’s see what Harbaugh spent the past year concocting for this match up.
    Especially with the additions of Bling and Stevie.

  11. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- I like the one NoFear played for us one night.

  12. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Seattle has sorely missed Golden Tate and Percy Harvin; their deep game is gone. Lynch is still Lynch, but their butts have been saved in a couple recent games by Wilson’s clutch runs. The Niners slow down Marshawn and shut down Wilson and Seattle will be hurting for points.

    16-13 Niners

  13. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Of course, I can’t play “Over The Rainbow” without the Jeff Beck version!

  14. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    RT I’m hoping the same thing.
    I liken this game to skydiving.
    Gravity is pulling you down and it’s time to pull the rip cord if you expect to avoid the inevitable face plant.

    If ever there was a time to see what Jim and Greg have spent the past year tinkering with, now is the time to pull the cord.

    Good time to roll out something new.
    It’s crunch time.

  15. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    NJ, Happy Turkey Day to you and yours. Hope all is well in your part of town. Saw on the news that you guys had a “little” nor’easter come through this morning. 7.5 in. of snow in Wantage. Close by?

    But by all reports you should be good to go tomorrow with temps. in the mid to upper 30’s. Me? Calling for Podunk Pinole to be 66掳 and sunny on Thanksgiving. Why the eff do you think I live here? 馃榾

    This is a huge statement game for our Niners. I don’t like Thursday night games in general. Not enough time for teams to prepare, and more importantly, definitely not enough time for players to recover. It’s not so much sloppy play as it is soporific. They haven’t had enough rest and sleep for the week, why should their play reflect any differently?

    The O/U in our game is 40 1/2. I don’t think these two teams could score 41 pts. total if they played twice. 13-6

  16. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Happy Thanksgiving Dennis, and all. Nice video dennis but those girls are just a little to perky for my taste.

  17. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I know we usually play Seattle pretty tough at home but honestly I really don’t see us winning this one.

  18. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Del I’m more toward the Coast, mostly saturated snow here.
    Maybe an inch or 2?
    Nothing but a nuisance for the most part.

    I’m hoping we get enough going on Offense to break 20 tomorrow night.
    If that happens, I expect that we can grab the W, as Seattle isn’t hanging up a ton of points either.

    However, judging from recent performances, that might be pie in the sky vs their D.
    We’ve struggled to put away the NYG and Indigenous Snyder’s B2B.

    I’m going to throw a fit if we don’t spread the ball around and change things up some.
    Tired of this close to the vest mundane sh!t they keep rolling out there week after week.

  19. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Winder that’s the thing for me this time around too, we really don’t have a home field advantage in this venue yet.
    Hope the crowd helps us out for this one.

  20. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- If you are looking for a fat man in the middle, the Browns Ahtyba Rubin will be a FA after this year. If we could snag him he is a good plugger.

  21. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Berger, this is sacrilegious to say because as you all know I love me some Judy Garland. But Katherine McPhee’s version of “Somewhere Over The Rainbow” jingles my pot of gold just a tad more. I think I’d might say yes if she asked me out. 馃榾

  22. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We make plenty of plays on offense. Problem is we always do something stupid to stop a drive. We just need to clean that up.

  23. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger anything is possible in FA.
    I’ve wondered what sort of money Suh will command on the open market too.
    Probably a boat load.

    Either way, we’re pretty solid on the Defensive side for now, if they can get anything from Tank and others in waiting.
    NTs are a special breed, they don’t often step in from College and produce anyway.

    Need production from this Offense first and foremost.

  24. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    What I can’t understand is, with Kaep and the Offense facing our Defensive routinely, how are we not better for it?

    Fangio seems to have schemes figured out, along with adjustments week after week.
    I truly wonder why Roman and Harbaugh can’t do the same thing?
    We can’t find a rhythm to save ourselves it seems.
    No flow, no balance, no rhythm.
    Flat pisses me off to be honest.

  25. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Facing our Defense that is in practice everyday.

  26. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Like I said, I have no expectations for this game. Time and time again the Niner offense fails to capitalize on what is working and revert to their conservative ways in the red zone.

  27. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck I’d be happy to see consistency.
    Move the ball, keep drives alive, wear down a Defense.
    DC pinned us back all day on Sunday.
    We couldn’t get anything going until it was do or die.

    No ability to find a rhythm.
    Can’t keep our Defense on the field all day and expect them to continue to save our collective A$$es.
    Grind out some drives and give them a blow once in awhile.

  28. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    This Offense is boring and predictable at best.
    No imagination or urgency most of the time.
    JMart could be a smidge better in the passing game but, he blows chunks in the running game.

  29. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Doing a little number crunching on Contract values I found that Anthony Davis is due $2.35M next year at RT, whereas the high water mark goes to Dallas RT Doug Free, who is scheduled to make $8M.

    At OG, Jhari Evans stands to be paid the most at $6.8M with Mankins close behind at $6.75M.

    Should we lose Iupati, moving Anthony to LG wouldn’t be a terrible move financially.
    He’s a former LT and plays like a G anyway.
    Might be possible to get Boone on the edge and plug in a RG.

    In terms of finances, our O-Line isn’t paid too highly in comparison to others around the League.

    Brooks will likely be gone or asked to restructure.
    Vernon isn’t worthy of the money he’s tying up right now either.

    Money has to be made available to retain Aldon going into next year anyway.

  30. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Even at LT, Staley is way down the charts, currently slotted at #20.

    They could shift some money to Joe and Boone on extensions, without breaking the bank for Iupati.
    Should be an interesting phase of re-tooling coming up.

    Once again, Dallas LT Tyron Smith heads the LT list at $11M next year.
    Dallas has $19M tied up between Free and Smith alone.

    As WRs go, we have both Stevie and Anquan at $5.5M next year.

    Hard to imagine Crabtree accepting those numbers when AJ Green is pulling down $10.2M with others ahead of him, and Calvin heading the WR list at $12.5M.

    Dez and Crabtree should be an interesting process to follow, in terms of what gets offered/accepted.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There is a WR from Michigan named Devin Funchess who might be what wee need for the red zone. He 6-5/230 former TE now full time WR. He drops a few which would make him right at home in SF. Apparently he is a match-up nightmare for LBs and smaller CBs. Willing blocker too. I’ll try to catch some video of him.

  32. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- On the last thread Bullit said Davis is making more money than Staley next year. It doesn’t sound like that is the way you have it figured?

  33. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- I drank a soda about an hour ago, now I can’t sleep. I think I’ll take a Tylonal PM. I think I’ll be here with you for about 30 to 60 more mins.

  34. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Vernon is scheduled for $4.35M next year Berger.
    Joe shows at $4.5M

    As I see it, Anquan and Stevie at $5.5M seems a little curious.

    Definitely room to adjust those numbers.

    In addition to DT Rubin, Terence Knighton is on the FA DT list next year too.

  35. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Denver TE Julius Thomas is also slated for FA next year, along with WR Demaryius Thomas.
    With all the moolah tied up with Peyton, they might be challenged to retain those 2 weapons?

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Funchess is interesting, he’s considered by some to be a hybrid TE type.
    Big target at 240lbs.
    Early predictions have him going mid 1st RD.
    Long way off so things could change.

    The big trick with Drafting is figuring out your slotting.
    Most GMs live with the BPA model.
    Grade your wish list, hope someone slides through.

    Funchess is a guy to watch for sure.

  37. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Jeremy Maclin and Randall Cobb are also potential WR FAs next year.

    The way we do things, WRs seem to fade into oblivion in this Offensive system anyway.

    Not sure they’re going to retain Crabtree though, so we’ll see where this all plays out.

    My gut tells me Baalke grabbed Stevie as insurance against Crabtree bolting in FA anyway.

  38. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    2 WRs that could be worth a Pick for me so far are Kevin White from WVU and Devante Parker from Louisville.

    I’ll get more research done after the season.

    Hoping we’ll see some production from Patton and Ellington too going forward.
    Assuming we have a clue how to Coach them up and utilize them in this Offense of ours.

  39. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger another WR to watch is Jaelen Strong from AZ St.

  40. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Put DT Eddie Goldman from FSU on the watch list too Berger.

  41. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    The thing about the fade is it’s difficult to defend. The route itself doesn’t allow the safety to cover over the top. Eli Manning and Mario Manningham used to make a pretty good living at it. Corners got better at it and the back shoulder fade came into fashion. The problem for us is that it’s a spot throw. The receiver and the QB have to be on the same page and in synch. We’re not good at the timing plays, mostly because Kaepernick wants to see the guy he’s throwing to open rather than throwing him open. He can learn it though.

    Kaepernick has thrown most of his passes short, and by a large margin. the folks who keep saying we have no short routes and only run slow developing plays might be interested to know that of Kaepernick’s 324 passes (not thrown away/hit as thrown/batted or spiked) 173 of them were thrown to the short zones (0-9yds) and another 26 were thrown for minus yards.

    He threw 69 passes to the 10-19 yard zones and has his best passer rating (156.5) throwing that range in the middle.

    Only 56 passes went to the 20+ yards zones. About evenly divided among left, middle, right deep zones.

  42. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I agree NoFear49er, regarding the spot throws.
    What I have seen is a habit of the short throws going to the outside.
    We seem to avoid the middle for some reason?

    As you suggest, those throws might involve more ‘throwing the guy open’ which I do see as an issue.
    I think that plays into the thought several of us have with Kaep’s touch issues.

    Kaep is excellent at the ‘stick’ throws, where he can drill a dart when needed.
    The one he stuck on Anquan on Sunday might easily have been the game saver.

    Kudos to Anquan for coming through on his end to make it happen too.

    Sure would be nice to see us develop something in the screen game.
    Even as a blitz beater, the short middle stuff could be a nic wrinkle to employ.

  43. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    One thing that could help us tomorrow, would be the Bears upsetting the Lions.

    Should we fall short vs Seattle, the Lions would then become our last ditch hurdle to grab a WC spot.

    We’ve got to handle our business certainly.
    But, just in case, a Bears victory wouldn’t hurt.

    Neither the Eagles or the ‘Boys boast much of a Defense, same for the Saints if they manage to snag the NFCS.

    Having the Lions tank wouldn’t be a bad thing.

  44. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er, Brady sees the MLB and safety move toward Gronk and knows his other TE will be open on his route and puts the ball on him. I haven’t seen that from Kaepernick. That’s not just a product of a “better scheme” or “better play calling.” It has a lot to do with the QB’s ability to read the defense, understand what the defense is trying to do to attack the offense, and manipulate the coverage.

    The defenses have a lot of film on our offense and Kaepernick. It’s not too difficult to take away the primary on a lot of plays. What happens to our play then?

    I think one of the biggest steps forward Kaepernick can make as a pocket passer is to know where his outlet receiver/check downs are. That would help him with his “bring it down and run” reaction to pressure and let him stand in the pocket a bit longer and not panic to find a target and save a play with a short gain instead of a sack.

  45. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Can’t disagree with that assessment NoFear49er.

    Could be as simple as Kaep reading the Defense better.
    He seems to avoid the short middle in my limited observations.

    But I agree with the tendency he has to take off.
    Not hard to fathom from a guy who makes running look easy.
    I understand that he’s still a work in progress in many areas.

    Perhaps it is as simple as seeing the check down?
    Maybe he’s just not taking the time to look for it.

    Sure would be nice to see him break ‘the code’ Seattle has been using against him tonight.

    One small advantage I see is that Seattle is missing a couple of key interior guys since the NFCCG last year.
    Hope it helps tonight.

    Thanks for the thoughts.

    Have a great Thanksgiving –

  46. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Have a Happy Thanksgiving guys.

    Let’s hope our winning streak continues tonight.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Until Kap gets the time to throw that Brady gets it is not much of a comparison. No amount of numbers can tell what the eye sees. Every time Brady gets the kind of Pressure Kap was under for the first half of this season he falls apart. The numbers people can post anything they want but if they chose to actually see they would know. Watch Brady vs KC this year. He got pulled from the game because he was under a lot of pressured. That is a routine game for Kap.

    Some see a need to “constructively” criticize our QB because he isn’t Joe Montana. While that is certainly true I’d like to see them handle getting hit by 300lb linemen while throwing. There is absolutely no question Kap handles that situation better than Brady. If Kap ever had the time Brady does he would need top learn how to handle that. And yes, it involves reading the defense. Also, Brady has a playbook of hot reads to beat the blitz. Our coaches are still be working on that.

    I praise our QB for handling this transition for the coaches to learn how to call plays for a new offense. When the O-line learns to protect better we will see so much development from our QB they’ll be asking where did that come from. The good news is from what I’ve seen the last two weeks the O-line is starting to play much better. Now we just need to clean up the continuous little things that keep stalling drives.

    Some will post some numbers to show Kap has time. Maybe they should watch and see what is happening instead of being told what to think by some number service.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Current favorite version sung by a fat man who could plug the middle of any line.

    The man has soul.


  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I would respond to your post about Brady but I can’t stop laughing and I figure you’ve been drinking all night.
    We’ll dicuss when you’re sober.

  50. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Sometimes I feel like I am the only person on this blog who thinks coaching matters.

    For a good example of how much difference coaching can make look at the Golden State Warriors. They were never going to win with Don Nelson. Mark Jackson was probably a necessary step in their progression. He was gritty and taught them to play defense with conviction and a belief that it matters. But his offense sucked even though he had the best shooters in the NBA. When he was fired many fans cited his win loss record and that it was the wrong move.

    Enter Steve Kerr with the help of excellent asst coaches. They changed the offense from the equivalent of the Singletary Sardine Can Offense to the spread. They moved Bogut to the high post and spread the rest of the players wide. Now the playmakers have the space to make plays. Bogut is an excellent distributor and there is room to cut to the basket now instead of having it clogged with a low post center. It just makes sense for the personnel the Warriors have. Jackson could not teach this offense because he did have the mind set. What a difference play design makes. The Warriors are now getting to the point the coach doesn’t even call plays, they just know what to do. Kind of like Brady and Manning finding their hot reads. The receivers know what to do in certain situations and the QB knows they’ll be there. Unlike what the 49ers do.

    Look at the KC Chiefs who had a losing record with 8 Pro Bowlers before Andy Reid showed up. Look at the 49ers before Walsh showed up. I think anybody who critiques a QB is also critiquing the coach. Are there any winning QBs with bad coaches? If so, not many. Conversely, a good coach almost always needs a good QB.

    Can anybody imagine our current coaching staff calling plays for a light athletic O-line? It would be three and out city. I think our QB does need to develop but I think our offensive coaching staff needs to develop even more. Steve Kerr who thoroughly understands the offense he runs brought in Alvin Gentry who is considered to be an offensive genius. He did not try to go it alone like RoBaugh has done.

    Two things have slowed down our progress on offense, the coaches going it alone while changing their philosophy and poor O-line play. Who’s to say the poor line play isn’t a product of the coaching? The blocking has seemed to get much better after Staley called out the “dumb schemes”. Maybe that was the wake up call for the coaches.

    I think since the line is showing so much improvement that is where it all starts. Why are they playing better? Coaching? Whatever the reason it is happening and that is a start. It is my belief the schemes were too complicated and created hesitation for the line. Simplifying the play calling is not just for the QB, it is to get all eleven players to play with instinct instead of having to think everything through.

    When you look at the Warriors offense it is very simple. It allows the players to work in space and more play instinctively, kind of like how it is for the Patriots. That is what we need from our play calling but in Basketball a team get 10 games in 3 weeks, in football it usually takes a little longer since you get only one game per week. Even longer when the coach is learning a new offense too.

  51. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- While you are laughing go watch Brady in the KC game from this year and tell me how he handles intense pressure. I’ll be waiting for your response after you see for yourself. And no, I did not drink last night. Call me, I’m excited to talk about the Warriors!

  52. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    “Some will post some numbers to show Kap has time. Maybe they should watch and see what is happening instead of being told what to think by some number service.” Or you?

    Playing video games, coaching is all there is. Real life is not like that. Some people sleep through instruction or it just bounces off them because they think they know better and don’t need any lousy has-been coach telling them something. Players have good days and bad days because they’re human, not video game images.

    NFL QBs live under pressure. Some do better than others. Kaepernick’s not always under pressure despite the rants saying he is. Kaepernick’s got plenty of short and open targets to throw to, usually all watching him holding the ball for a deep receiver to come open and taking a sack or scrambling toward the sideline and not throwing to them.

    BTW, Brady is top of the list for getting the ball out quick. Kaepernick is fourth from the bottom. Think that has anything to do with it?

    Talk about watching the game, watch for the open outlets and short receivers not getting the ball.

    At least we seem top be off the formations or play calling as the sole cause for our promised demise.

  53. winderNo Gravatar says:

    One reason why Brady and Brees are so good is that they can throw to 6 or 7 people a game. We really don’t do that. I do agree that Kappy doesn’t have a clue where the D’s is coming from and it seems he should have a better picture by now. I know injuries are no excuse but our OL is not very good this year and that has to be a big factor.

  54. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    This cooking Thanksgiving dinner at 10:30 in the morning just doesn’t jive with me. I’m already on my third stick of butter. That’s gotta be good, no?

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- In theory what you say has merit. When watching Kap he does sometimes eschew the short for a big play. But to say the plays Kap runs gives him as many options as Brady’s is something we will disagree about. And to infer Kap has as much time to throw as Brady is laughable.

    I did not say Kap is as good as Brady except when handling big time pressure. Overall there is no question Brady is the better QB but there are a few things Kap does better than other QBs including Brady and that is negotiating a lot of pressure to make something out of it. We go against Wilson today who might be the best at that.

    I think if our coaches had the mind set to throw quickly Kap would be coached to do that. Where this debate is probably being divided the most is I put a lot more emphasis on coaching and play calling then those on the other side of this topic. I don’t deny Kap needs to develop. I don’t deny players need to execute. In fact, I agree with those points.
    Where we disagree is I think coaching is more important than the people on the other side of this debate believe it is. I keep hearing it is all on the players. I cannot agree with that premise. I say coaching matters a lot. It is part of the overall execution by the team.

    And no, I don’t play video games.

  56. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    “But to say the plays Kap runs gives him as many options as Brady鈥檚 is something we will disagree about. And to infer Kap has as much time to throw as Brady is laughable. ”

    Well, I didn’t say either of those things. Nor have I said coaching is not important or it’s all on the players. Those are just the straw men others have found it handy to create.

    My problem with your premise, “it’s all on the coaches,” is that I watch the players make critical drive-stopping mistakes on too many plays. And I can’t lay off all of Kaep’s problems on his coaching as easily as you can.

    I’m watching both QBs this AM standing in the pocket and making good throws. Alex Smith couldn’t do it and Kaep doesn’t do it. I’ve seen him start out games doing everything right and then revert to his “break the pocket at the first sign of pressure” habit. That he does start out doing things right would indicate he’s getting coached to do those things.

  57. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, yeah, for one or two games the o-line looked more like matadors than blockers. Makes QB pretty tough duty.

    As for Brady’s 6 or 7 targets, he can’t throw to himself or the base o-line. We put all the eligibles out there a lot. We do keep extra protection in the RB or TE in sometimes. Probably more than NE does.

  58. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    “Well, I didn鈥檛 say either of those things. Nor have I said coaching is not important or it鈥檚 all on the players.”

    That is the first time I ever remember you blaming the coaching staff for anything. My job is done here. For Bullit, I think it is just time to give up on him. I think his premise is making excuses for Crabtree. In your case, you act like you just don’t like the QB.

  59. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You seem to forget in the last few games how many key catches Crabtree made. The sad fact is you consider them routine even the 51 yd on 4th down which was far from routine. You see what you want to see but that ball was dying with defenders closing in.
    The theme remains the same, you are the Kap apologist and his PR machine. How dare anyone lay any blame on Kap. According to you he has plenty of touch, even though he can’tb throw a fade or run a QB sneak but that’s not his fault, it’s on the play calling.

  60. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Is it Thanksgiving over there yet? Happy one to you people.

    Yes it is ‘both’ player execution and coaching. How much of each depends on any given play and how a game plays out over all. We are actually coming to a consensus on this issue which is progress. Yahooooo.

    Eagles looking good early against da boyz…

  61. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Berger has a positive take on Kap and Bullit loves him some Crabtree. No problem with that. Both players and their fans are okay with me. That’s the way it should be right? We’re all for the success of the team…except for those who believe in nothing good.

    It’s fair to have some constructive criticism and a realistic view of the good and bad qualities of various of our ‘heroes’. Then around here we debate the fine points, discard the irrational hate and occasionally come to some kind of agreement. Or not!

    All good. Especially when we win. Like today.

  62. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Barring a tie in the Eagles-Cowboy game, the Niners can latch onto the #2 wildcard spot tonight.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Today we win if we take care of the football.
    That has been determining factor in the close games with the Seahags. Today is not a good day if you’re a bird.
    Niners win 23-17.

  64. robNo Gravatar says:

    This is the game of the year for us. This will pretty much show us to be a contender or pretender. This is either the start of something big or the game where we get exposed

  65. robNo Gravatar says:

    Which will it be?

  66. robNo Gravatar says:

    Kap is just about our best player right now on offensive.

  67. robNo Gravatar says:

    Happy thanksgiving everybody

  68. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    You got it Rob = biggie for us today against our biggest rival. Not to mention the Cards this season. All our games since the 2nd Rams game have been big since any loss would put us in a tough(er) position.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you my friend…and GO Niners!

  69. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit sez Niners by 6 and I’m calling for a 4 point 9ers win

  70. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Oh no a halftime show like the Super Bowl.
    It’s Pit Bull!
    Will they have the same tonight at Levis?
    Longer halftime to make adjustments.

  71. robNo Gravatar says:

    Based on our performance this year and until i see different, i say seahawks by 8. We’ll no doubt have the ball late trying to score a TD and go for two. Etc etc

  72. robNo Gravatar says:

    In fact im going to go so far as to point this out. The offensive coaching so far this year is the worst i’ve seen since hoestler

  73. robNo Gravatar says:

    I mean jezus crist at least mike nolan had martz, mcarthy and turner as OC. This is the most talent we’ve had on offense since 97… and we’re still ranked outside the top half! WTF

  74. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Do you really want me to answer your question?
    You cherry pick Brady’s crap game of the season and then postulate that Kap performs better under pressure than Brady?
    Are you joking?

  75. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Happy thanksgiving, ROB!!!! I think you are on to something.

  76. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Did we elect Tom Brady president of the United States yet?

  77. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    He’s already been elected douchebag of the year. It’s a full time job, but he’s a natural.

  78. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Big move made today. The Niners put Derek Carrier on IR and promoted 2 TEs ro the 53 man roster. They added Celek and Cleveland.

  79. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    They also waived LB Chase Thomas to make room for the adds.

  80. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Time for the Cowboys’ annual collapse to commence!

  81. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    You may jest now, Skeebers, but mark my word. If and when Tom Brady turns to politics, he WILL become our president. But don’t fret. If you’re lucky Tom will choose “The Shredder” to be his running mate.

  82. robNo Gravatar says:

    That’s bad news. Carrier is a heck of a TE.

  83. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners need to keep their cool and not get baited into stupid penalties, Seahags love to talk trash. Let your hitting before the whistle do the talking.

  84. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:


  85. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Crabtree hurts left leg right away. Dang

  86. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bethea dinged on leg also

  87. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Aldon forces Wilson to bounce a pass. Hey pass rush

  88. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Both these offenses combined couldn’t hold Peyton Manning’s jock.
    BTW, did we ever sign that guy?

  89. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bad throw by Kap

  90. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    DB gives up a penalty (D Johnson) Bad call sez Ryan

  91. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Kap had plenty of protection on that INT.
    It’s Greg Roman’s fault!

  92. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Two things: RZ execution and where’s my brass knuckles?
    Culliver should be in jail. We’d be better off.

  93. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Kap history is bad games against SEA w/ ints aplenty

  94. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Kap beats Chancellor blitz w/ pass to Boldin over the middle. Hey NJ = Over the Middle.

    Next play Stevie gets a 3rd down completed for a 1st. Finally using him

  95. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Penalty on Staley = bogus

    No PI called on Chancellor

  96. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Wasted set of Niner downs

  97. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Borland stuffs Lynch again. Great playing for him

  98. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Wilson outplaying Kap w/ that one to 1 yd line

  99. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    A Brooks w/ 2 good plays to stop SEA

  100. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    1st and goal from the half yd line and SEA has to settle for a FG.
    Both these offenses stink on ice. Put GB in the SB and dispense with the rest.

  101. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bad pass to S Johnson incomplete on 3rd down

  102. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Would have been negated by Staley’s penalty, but Kap has to make a better throw on 3rd down. Manning and the future president of the United States would have completed that pass. 馃槢

  103. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    But we’re better off with Alex Smith!
    And Kap as his successor.

    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh yet?

  104. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Rekick gets SEA 30 extra yards due to penalty on Borland.

  105. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Carrol goes back to the Wilson to Turbin scramble play since it’s working. Hmm passes to RBs?

  106. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Carrol is outcoaching Harbaugh plus Wilson beating the hell out of Kaepernick

  107. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Nothing new or as changed in those regards.

  108. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Kaepernick = 4/12 for 32 yards

    I know run Gore up middle

    OL not blocking well

  109. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Wonder if we’ll cross midfield tonight.

  110. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe not sadly. Well this continues and Harbaugh will have to make some changes to coaching

  111. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Tank Carradine and Craig Dahl makes some good plays.

    Then Cox fumbles

    We are killing ourselves

  112. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    We are incapable of running an uptempo O = on QB and OC

  113. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Skeebers, at this this point I’d settle for an Alex Smith rolling right play.

  114. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Heads up, Outsiders!

    My good friend, Berger, is drunker than a skunk. If this score holds up…just remember, it’s not Kap’s fault. 馃槢

  115. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The big difference this game is we keep running plays that don’t work. Can’t hit a fade? Lets do it 5 more times. The out to Lloyd? 3 more times and they still haven’t hit it.

    At least we hit Seattle’s side of the field.

  116. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Kappy’s having a shitty day. He missed Hyde when he threw the fade to Miller.

  117. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Execution sucks = no blocking by OL = Kap sacked, so FG

  118. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah Kap not good no wonder Berger is looped. But OL not so great either. Refs suck too, yuck

  119. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    “He had Brandon Lloyd wide open.”

    It’s not Kap’s fault!

    He had Hyde wide open on that 1st dn but chose to go to Miller who was his first, and as usual, his only read. Who cares that 49 was double covered and had zero chance of catching the ball?

    We stuck to our progressions. Excuse me, our lone progression.

    Did we sign Peyton Manning yet?

  120. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Collinsworth said it perfectly, Kap chose to throw ro a well covered Bruce Miller in the end zone rather than a wide open Carlos Hyde that would have been good for 10 yards.
    When you look for the big play and it’s not there it stops your offense in it’s tracks. Take what they give you and move the chains.
    Bad decisions and more scatter armed throws but it’s somebody else’s fault.

  121. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Holy crap I’m thinking in lock step with Denny.

  122. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    We have 3 pts. through 3 quarters… Heeeeeeeeee1

  123. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners need a Seahag turnover in the worst way.

  124. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Happy Thanksgiving

  125. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Another fade? Seriously?

  126. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I swear to god, Roman is a moron.

  127. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Collinsworth is an idiot. Lloyd was covered on that play.

    But please pray to your narrative, Bullit.

  128. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    There has to be something between 25 yard fades and 3 yard passes yet we can’t find it.

  129. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Right before halftime it is VERY VERY obvious our QB cannot run a hurryup. Just lets the clock run down.

    Can’t throw a pass to the sideline and just threw a dumpoff for 4 yards with a 2 man rush when he wasn’t pressured.

  130. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh well. This offense can barely figure out shit vs bad defenses. This is a joke vs a good one.

    Kappy has a lot of film to look at. Bad bad bad.

  131. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Well. All the questions are answered.

    And the clock strikes midnight for Jimbo.

    Truth be told, I was expecting this. But it was still damned bitter.

    I fully expect the brain trust to bring in a new coach for 2014, whether that is really the answer or not.

    When your offense is this dysfunctional, though, it’s hard to justify anything else.

    For ten years, we have pursued this dream: a Championship defense, with an offense that plays smashmouth football and scores enough points to win.

    It. Has. Not. Worked.

    We are not the Ravens. Or the Bears of the 80s.

    We are the Schottenheimers of the 2010s.

    Close, but no cigar.

  132. robNo Gravatar says:

    Richard you little pussy you’re on my list

  133. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So what do NoFear and Bullit think of the coaching now? I guess it is the QBs fault.

  134. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I want a different QB so that Del, NoFear and Bullit can be shown how much they know about football.

  135. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If Roman is not fired then Harbaugh has to be fired. The only people in this 49er universe that like Roman are NoFear, bullit and Skeebers. I need to seriously consider staying at this blog with the idiots I communicate with.

  136. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I want Alex Smith to come back so Berger can be shown how much, or lack thereof, he knows about quarterbacks.

    Did we sign Peyton Manning yet?
    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh yet?
    Did we make Del Mar Dennis the offensive coordinator yet? 馃榾

  137. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Now please leave me alone. I have to go finally go make my gravy and eat my dinner. It’s been a long day. No thanks to our 49ers.

    Happy Thanksgiving

  138. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    FU Del. I’m calling you now. Only Skeebers, NoFear and Bullit would be afraid to answer the phone right now. You suck my friend but you do have heart! You know I love you ass hole! FU!

  139. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers and Bullit thinks Alex Smith is the answer. Funny stuff there. I think our OC sucks. I like Harbaugh but if he does not replace Roman and step away from the play calling I want Harbaugh replaced.

  140. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Hey Skeebers, here is a milquetoast dick to suck on. You know you are an anti make a statement, just like NoFear. At least NoFear stirs it up. You and your Alex Smith shit will kill this blog. I’m ready to say fuk you. Just give me a moment. I like Kap!

  141. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Good to see you getting good and baked on Thanksgiving, Bergs. But yeah, this offense is a flat disaster. No passes over the middle. Fade fade fade fade. Didn’t hit one but we kept going back to it. Miller running a fade? WTF? No screens and still no quick passes.

    I don’t know. I think these coaches are killing Kappy. They sure aren’t helping him along.

  142. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- NoFear, Bullit and Skeebers love the coaching. Don’t know what to say about that. I have to consider the fact I blog with intelligent people.

  143. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    “I think these coaches are killing Kappy.”
    “I think these coaches are killing Alex Smith.”

    I *know* you bloggers are killing me with your continuous excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse for the lackluster play from our QB position.

    Alex Smith? Sucks
    Colin Kaepernick? Sucks
    Still believing Jim Harbaugh can lead this team to win its next SB?
    Let’s check Jed York’s latest tweet for his thoughts.

    Sucks all around.

  144. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I don’t give a mother mallard flying eff how well you may have spent your dinner last night with friends and family.

    Thanksgiving was a goddamn disgrace thanks to our 49ers. That performance was shameful. Repeat after me, I [state your name] am embarrassed to be a 49er fan at this moment.

    Jed York is, and should you.

  145. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Berger, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  146. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Bullit, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  147. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Skeebers, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  148. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Chuck, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  149. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Rob, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  150. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, NJ, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  151. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, NoFear, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  152. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Winder, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  153. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Phil Fan, am embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  154. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    I, Dennis, am thoroughly and disgustingly embarrassed to be a Niner fan at the moment.

  155. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You have it wrong. I’m embarrassed by the effort exhibited by players and coaches. I would fire whoever agreed to let the Seahags eat Turkey on the logo.
    Like I have always said being a 49er Faithful to me is through thick and thin. It has not always been smooth sailing since when I started following the team in the 60’s.
    One crappy loss and you’re panicking and abandoning ship like an Oakland Raiduh.
    We need to run the table now to have a chance at the playoffs.
    Let’s see how the effort is up in Seattle.

  156. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Yesterday the ball just bounced the Seahag way. Every ball they put on the ground they got back.
    The only guy Kap was on target and in synch with was Dick Sherman.

  157. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    God Bless our beloved Forty Niners. We look forward to another of their rises to glory and to their winning ways. And we cheer them on to new victories on the field of valor.

    Here on Thanksgiving Day we are thankful for the magnificent resurrection engineered by Jim Harbaugh, Vic Fangio and Colin Kaepernick. With a stout and valiant assist by our mighty Defense. Hail to you all!

    We know you gave your all to restore our pride as Forty Niner Faithful. We thank you and we pledge to support you now and forever.

    A Niner fan

  158. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    No nihilist of the nervous variety will ever speak for me on this or any other subject, guaranteed.

  159. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  160. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Bullit, the only thing worse than you and Phil fan trying to save face right now and not admit that this team is currently nothing short but an embarrassment of riches, is your incessant use of calling other franchise’s by these childish nicknames. Seahags? Aints? Raiduh’s? Lambs? It’s go on and on. Not to mention Dick Sherman. Are you still in the 3rd grade?

    Fine. I can play by the school ground rules. So I vow as long as you keep calling those teams by those idiotic names, I will from this time forward refer to our franchise as the “Forty Whiners.”

    Sounds pretty silly doesn’t it? You should hear it coming from your end every goddamn day.

    BTW, hey Berger! Colin Kaepernick sucks.
    BTW, x deux. Hey, Phil! Your belief in a non-existent god sucks twice as much.

  161. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Reality does not depend on your opinion

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 路 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 路 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 路 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 路 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 路 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17