Little Big Men

It only took three practices to answer the question about what to do with the crowded situation at running back. The answer was “Never mind.”

First Kendall Hunter went out for the year with an ACL tear, then LaMichael James dislocated his elbow during pass blocking drills. He’s only expected to miss a month, but by the time he heals, his RB job will likely be gone and his punt return job may belong to someone else, too.

James is not likely to get much sympathy, either. He spent all last year complaining about his role and announcing via Twitter that he had been traded. He’s part of the ill-fated 2012 draft class where Trent Baalke went against his own credo (big is better) by drafting two small guys with his first and second picks. Don’t expect Baalke to draft any miniature boys again any time soon.

In fact, the only guy currently practicing from that draft class is a big ole guy, RG Joe Looney. If Alex Boone isn’t careful with his hold out, Looney could be the starter on opening day. Here’s a tip, Boone. Baalke would like nothing better than to have one redemptive pick from that draft.

Scot McCloughan didn’t place a ton of value on offensive guards and apparently Baalke shares that view. In the past year, the 49ers have extended the contracts of both starting tackles, Joe Staley and Anthony Davis. But both guards are nowhere near to extensions. Boone’s holding out and talks with Mike Iupati are clearly not progressing.

With Iupati, it seems a little strange that the team appears reluctant to pay the man. They drafted him in the first round in 2010 and he’s more than lived up to that first round abiity. What were they expecting? Why draft a guy that high if you aren’t going to keep him because he’s performed well? Maybe Iupati is making super exorbitant demands, but I tend to doubt that.

Then again, the team restructured Ahmad Brooks Tuesday, creating another $2 mil in cap room. So maybe somebody else is going to get a contract extension any day now.

John Madden recently raved about the job 49ers’ HC Jim Harbaugh has done, pointing out that the negative rantings of brittle-boned alcoholics from Pinole should be laughed off the stage. The Outsider, of course, would never be so brutally frank.

Harbaugh is the first coach in NFL history to reach the conference championship game in each of his first three seasons. It took Madden eight years to win a Super Bowl, overcoming three consecutive AFC Championship game defeats along the way, so he knows a bit about perseverance. Not a favored virtue of the blogosphere, but worth noting nonetheless.

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153 comments on “Little Big Men
  1. ROBNo Gravatar says:

    the niners are now 10 mil under the cap ! it’s expected to go up another 10 or so going into next offseason ! that gives 20 mil to spend !!! great news !!!

  2. ROBNo Gravatar says:

    have to thank winners like brooks and keep ! hope boone and iupati follow their lead !!!

  3. ROBNo Gravatar says:

    oops ‘kaep’

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Niners are rebuilding but in the defensive secondary having to replace 3/4 of it.
    On offense they are only replacing Goodwin among the starters unless Boone is traded or never shows up.
    Sorry but to rebuild an offense means you either have a significant change in personnel (starters) or you change the coordinator and coaches. Neither has happened.
    Today is also Aldon’s face to face with the judge about his incident at LAX.

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- It was the coach who described what they are doing as “rebuilding the offense”, I’m just quoting. Maybe you should call him and explain how wrong they are according to your thought process. BTW, it is clear to me what he meant, even though I’m not sure what the changes will be. I’m sorry you are confused about what he meant by “rebuilding.”

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Maybe I missed it, can you show me the link to that quote?
    I heard Harbaugh say that often times there was one option on some plays but never heard the word rebuild.

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    This water main break at UCLA yesterday flooded Pauley Pavilion
    with water ankle deep and ruined the basketball court.
    Took them 4 hours to stop the breach and 10 million gallons of water lost in a drought because the water main was 93 years old.
    Sunset Blvd was a river of water.

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Patrick Peterson is now the highest paid CB in the NFC West making $14 mil per year while Dickie Shermie makes a paltry $12.5 mil and has Seahag fans ringing his doorbell of his new home.
    They have one thing in common, they get to cover Crabtree at least two times a season. From training camp reports are Crabtree has regained the explosiveness and burst he had before his Achilles injury.

  9. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kap did say a couple of things about his new receivers yesterday
    after practice. He said he now has 4 proven 1000 yard receivers
    (actually 5 if you count Vernon Davis). Kap also said it’s nice to have a receiver be where he’s supposed to be when running a route which might be a reference to Kyle Williams always being in the wrong place on multiple occasions.

  10. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- This will be a little hard for you to comprehend but I will try to explain. Roman told a group of reporters something to the effect that he was taking the offense into the garage, breaking it down to the most basic fundamentals and starting over. I can quote that every time or just use the word “rebuilding.” Since you will not understand this I do expect a comment parsing the analogy. The offense is being fundamentally changed according to the OC. You can deny that because it doesn’t fit your narrative or find some technicality to argue about for weeks. You can look it up yourself, if you can’t find the video I will find it for you, let me know.

    The entire point is our offense is unacceptable and the coach agrees. Read nothing else into that point. I have complained about the offense for a year and a half and when the coach agreed I pointed it out. Since you like the old plodding offense, either you are hanging dearly to the past, or maybe just to pompous to admit you are wrong. Either way, the offense is being “rebuilt” by taking it into the garage, breaking it down to the fundamentals and starting over, according to the coach.

  11. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I decided to share the video in case others might want to see what I am talking about. Roman talks about rebuilding the offense at about the 1:50 minute mark.

    One thing that concerns me is saying going three wide is based on the personnel available. IMO, three wide is a weapon to space the defense, not predicated on personnel. But hey, a step in the right direction is still moving forward. Now that we have better personnel maybe the excuses are going away.

  12. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoShitFearBull, here’s the quote from Greg Roman in June (notice NoFear, that this is Greg Roman, not Jim Harbaugh, speaking):

    “Starting with the beginning of the offseason, we as the offensive staff, after three years here, it’s time to clean out the garage type of thing,” Roman said. “We went through everything we’ve done and really stripped it back down to its most element, basic parts and start over at square one.”

    With the trade for former Bills pass-catcher Stevie Johnson and the drafting of speedy Bruce Ellington, the 49ers now have the ability to expand the passing game, something they’ve hinted at with quarterback Colin Kaepernick entering his second full season as the starter.


    Teams change offenses all the time without drastic personnel OR changes in coaching staffs. Teams use a new philosophy. Which sounds like is what is happening here.

    Like I’ve said all along, talk is talk, and I’ll believe it when I see it, but this is the loudest they’ve been about it, and they are the ones volunteering this info. So, please continue to argue the minutiae around this, and we’ll see how this shakes out.

    My concern is getting plays out MUCH faster, and improving the red zone offense. Not the semantics of what they call this change in offensive philosophy. Carry on, skippies . . .

  13. robNo Gravatar says:

    wow I knew I liked our WR group now but that didn’t really hit home until keep said it ! we now have four 1000 yard recievers !
    now I KNOW we’re going to have more multiple WR sets this year ! that will translate into a more diverse offense !it should also mean no more running into 9 in the box for most of the game

  14. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I believe that I was just backhanded this morning with a noncommittal statement of denial. I don’t know how that makes me feel. Perhaps I’ll broach those feelings with my therapist this morning. Provided there’s time remaining after I’m done with my weekly rant of telling her what a shitty job Harbaugh has done in losing two NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl in his first three years.

  15. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You really do need to grow up and stop with the infantile namecalling.
    I draw the line when you start incorporating profanity into your namecalling. Very easy to figure out what rhymes with Chuck.
    Just stop and try to have a civil discussion.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    There’s hope for you yet. You actually listened to an entire Greg Roman press conference and even posted it. Small steps leads to the big leap.
    That made my day.

  17. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wahhh! Stop being a little bitch, Bullit. You and NoFear have the sensibilities of 10 year old girls. Or 60 year old southern belles. Are you men? Do you ever hear guys talk, say at a local bar? This shit is mundane. NoFear, for an ex-military guy, I’ve never seen a guy so thin-skinned and put-off by even the mildest of language. You draw the line at profanity? Oooooh. I thought it was pretty clever. But as usual, what’s good for you doesn’t apply to anyone else.

    “Maaah Word! I’m getting the vapors!!! All this foul talk is making me dizzy! I’ve nevah HEARD such language!” What was that movie where the southern belle eats the shit pie? The Help! You two act like those women. Putting on airs and acting all high and mighty, all the while eating shit.

    As usual, when you are outflanked by superior knowledge, you go into whine mode.

  18. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Funny, Bullit, the ‘big leap’ is you understanding that Bergs and I were right all along.

    Infantile is looking up 5 year old posts to gloat over.

    Again and again.

  19. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Just an observation. You seem to like it over here at Skeeber’s blog more than the blog you run if the number of posts is any indication.

  20. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Do you have something against women? Do you think that lowly of them to use them as an insult?
    I wonder what your wife, daughters or even your mother must think when you use their gender as a slur.
    In your usual hypocritical way you’ll stand up for Native Americans but disrespect those women in your family and half the population on earth.
    I think you just stuck your foot in your mouth again and it’s only because you are ignorant and clueless.

  21. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I keep saying it, I hope I only have about a month and half left to complain about the offense. I can’t wait to be happy about the changes. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    The other thing to watch this year besides the changing of the offense is the changing of the defensive line which might start this year. The starters will remain the same but we need to find a replacement for Justin. I think it is possible we already have that person on the team between Tank, Dial, Okoye and the guy with the hyphen in his name. How much will they contribute this year, and will Fangio continue the rotation he used last year. Since Justin was hurt last year that rotation might have been more forced than by design. D-lines win championships.

  22. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    The reports out of training camp is both Tank and Dial are looking good as well as Jerod(hyphen)Eddie.
    If Justin Smith plays at a high level and wants to continue after this year I say why not as long as his salary is team friendly which his last contract was.

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The guy with the hyphen in his name is Jerrod-Eddy. I couldn’t remember his name while I writing the last post. He came out of nowhere and played surprisingly well at times last year.

  24. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    looks like I misspelled his name but at least I remembered it! LOL!

  25. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I was inspired by Harbaugh explaining how Okoye was bull rushing everybody. Anybody who can do that has a place on the D-line. Penetration destroys offensive plays and to be able to push an O-lineman straight back, like Justin Smith does, is as disruptive as any strategy on defense. I’m anxious to hear more about Okoye’s development.

  26. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The story of Okoye might end up reminding me of a similar tale of Jeff Stover. A raw sinewy strong athlete that learned his football in the pros. Both were track athletes who played little or no college football. Stover didn’t seem to have much discipline, he just threw people around and stood in the middle of plays and then asked, what do I do now, not knowing he had just done it! He was fun to watch.

  27. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Same with Michael Carter, the Olympic shot-putter. Well, he played football, but was a superb shot putter. I think his high school record still stands.

    Creating and using leverage is half the battle. His int. return (or fumble?) against the ‘Skins is one of my all-time favorite Niner monents. Talk about running in slow motion.

    Wow, Bullit, there’s a tangent that makes no sense. Me feigning a southern accent is disrespectful to women? What kind of PC world do you live in? Redskin is fine, but ‘Maaaah word’ isn’t? Wow. Sorry, you find women so scary. Have you talked to a girl? I mean without giving your credit card number?

    You are laughable to the extreme, skippy. Please keep your veiled inadequacies off this public forum. It’s a little nauseating.

  28. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    “Veiled inadequacies?” Is that the same as Mother Superior having a bad habit?

  29. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Somehow Bullit, that song really suits you. Couldn’t have picked a better on myself!

  30. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- You have to admit, your last typo is some funny stuff. It changed the whole post. Unless you meant to say you “Couldn’t have picked a better on myself!”. I think the ‘on’ was supposed to ‘one’!

  31. winderNo Gravatar says:

    “Can’t we all just get along” [Rodney King]
    Hey rob- I love out WR’s too I just don’t know how we’re gonna be able to keep them all.I am really disappointed that Lattimore is not ready to go, it looks like our new 1,000,000 backfield might not happen at least this year. Anyway, just like every year around this time, the world is our oyster and we gotta go for the big cheese.

  32. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, fumbly fingers untie! Didn’t notice that
    . . . ONE . . .

    You would know, Dennis. Us old-school Catholics have to stick together. THe Mother Suerior at one of my schools was arrested for molestation. Actually, every Catholic school I went to had at least one arrest for either child porn or molestation. Luckily I was never involved in any of that. I was just constantly harassed by the sisters and the priests for being a malcontent and troublemaker.

    I said, go talk to St. Augustine . . .

  33. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:


    “It’s too big ta eat!”

    -Rodney Allen Rippy-

  34. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    According to Maiocco via Niners Nation Niner FO reached out to Boone but were rebuffed.
    Boone is getting bad advice from his harline agents because if he came to camp I’m sure they would work on a new deal.
    Staying out will just get Boone traded.

  35. robNo Gravatar says:

    WINDER ,good to see you ! yup I agree 100 % hope lattimore can make it all the way back ! imo with gore and hyde that would give us the 1,000,000,000 billion dollar backfield 😉

  36. robNo Gravatar says:

    DENNIS lol !

  37. robNo Gravatar says:

    BERGER/BULLIT don’t forget dial in your outlook for our front 7 !

  38. robNo Gravatar says:

    goddammit I meant corey lemonier !

  39. robNo Gravatar says:

    also ian Williams is back too !

  40. robNo Gravatar says:

    imho it’s a heavy dose of tank in for smith and maybe even for raymac too ! with big ian Williams in for Dorsey too !

  41. robNo Gravatar says:

    CHUCK wow Michael carter was the best NT and one of the best D-linemen I’ve ever seen !

  42. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Ian Williams is on the PUP list.
    He might not play this season because he hasn’t recovered from his injury from last year.
    It’s going to be Jerod-Eddie or Dial backing up Dorsey at NT.

  43. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    With all the D-line depth we seem to have, there is no sense in rushing Ian back anyway.

  44. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Tried to find the TD he got vs Washington, INT return for like 60 yards.

    I think it was a playoff game . . .

  45. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck – Lol. I would throw in some Rodney Dangerfield but there is just too much stuff.

  46. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Must be nice for Chuck to have his fantasy world where foul keyboard talk is the measure of a tough guy. It doesn’t me impress me much.

    But always the hypocrite, bans people for their language if it doesn’t pass the liberal PC wacko test on his “no-holds-barred” blog. Trolling suits you. Behind a keyboard anyway. The only one here who’s afraid of words is you. You’re a joke tough guy.

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I read a piece recently where Okoye was nick-named ‘Big London’.
    Might have been Kassim Osgood that coined it.

    Not bad….

  48. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I get no respect, I tellya! No respect!

    Why are you and Bullit so concerned about my blog, NoFear?

    As usual you don’t get it. It’s not that foul talk is manly or tough, it’s reacting to it like a 65 year old woman that is the opposite of that. Walk into any bar, or club, or any social situation, and will you hear swearing? When people talk sports, do people get emotionally invested? Don’t you see your brothers in arms? Is foul talk traded back and forth?

    Joke tough guy? From the guy who gets the vapors when some one says poo poo? You are simply a joke. Passive aggressive suit you much?

    Start a blog, skippy. Then you have the right to say something about how I run mine. Otherwise shut the hell up about it.

  49. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Rob !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Where you been hiding ???????????????????????????

  50. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Why don’t you rail on Skeebs for his censoring, NoFear? You aren’t an equal opportunity annoyer?

  51. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, a friend of mine runs a blog and he spends all his time writing blog posts or apologizing for not having written enough. Not for me. If I had a blog I wouldn’t subject folks who read it to the likes of your constant trolling and bickering. It would be readable and respectable for wives and kids of my target audience and bad actors (read punk-ass bitches) like you would not be tolerated.

    You are what’s wrong with most internet blogs and anonymous comment pages. Your wife is the man of the house and the real people at work won’t put up with your bullshit without kicking your ass so you get on unmoderated anonymous blogs and try to make yourself feel like a man by throwing around insults you’d never be able to back up in real life. Fun for you, tiresome for everyone else. Your new BFF “nailed it” a while back, “Unca Chuck is the most spineless human being on the face of this earth.” Pretty hard to argue with that.

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear49er, did you catch the latest Contract agreement from Dallas?
    OT Tyron Smith to be the highest paid OLman in the NFL.

    Can the comedy from the Jones’ get any better?

    Just when we thought the days of overspending in the NFL were over, Jerruh & Son prove to be the Model of Cluelessness.

    Can’t wait to see how they rob Peter and Paul to pay for Dez.

    The Clown Car that had been operating with the NYJ, is now adorned with a big blue star, cruising the highways and byways around Dallas.

  53. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well…maybe Jerruh did get a minor win as it’s 10 years on this deal.
    Kinda strange to be so long so, maybe he can wring some savings on this eventually?

  54. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er, the ten year deal allows him to spread out the cap hit for the $10M signing bonus as long as possible. He does like to pile up the dead money potential. Probably figures to restructure out of that if it goes past five. And it looks like he’s only getting $2M this year in salary.

    I wonder how long Boone will go at $30k per day plus they’ll start hitting his signing bonus.

  55. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeh NoFear49er, I fell for the $110M headline but, as you said, it’s a LOOOOONG deal.
    Does allow for amortization to provide some relief along the way.

    I’ll give Jerruh a mulligan on this one.

    As for Boone, I posted some thoughts regarding what he’s up against over on Chucks’ site.

    This current CBA isn’t very player friendly in situations such as this.
    The Mevis Agency he’s got working for him isn’t doing him any favors IMO.

    He’d have better luck reporting, where the Team could then easily waive those missed days fines, while they do this thing the right way.

    If this goes to any length beyond Camp, I think he’s done.
    He’ll likely be traded to the highest bidder.

  56. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    He was a pretty solid LT in College too.
    Getting him for OG $$$ would be a bargain, unless they’re looking to pull off a heist.

    I love the guy’s production and durability but, there’s bigger concerns going forward.

  57. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think the agency is driving this as much as Boone. I’m not sure why he thinks this is his best path to more money. Maybe with the change at center he figures we need him to keep the line strong enough to get to the playoffs. Or maybe Chilo’s advising him.

  58. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It’s an odd move to be sure.
    The moment I read that he enlisted with The Mevis Agency, I feared this was coming.

    I’ve got no beef with his request, he’s more than proven that he’s grown up and become a solid Pro.

    Whether it’s Chilo or, the pull of the moon, he’s not winning too many points in the negotiation arena, doing things the way he is.

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    IIRC, the new CBA allows only 4 or 5 year amortization of a signing bonus, no matter how long the contract is.

  60. BergerNo Gravatar says:


  61. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Blockbuster baseball trade just announced.
    A’s acquire Jon Lester for Yoenis Cespedis.
    Never thought the A’s would trade Cespedis HR Derby Champ.
    At Fenway Park he’s going to put dents into the Green Monster.

    Also Schefter of ESPN is reporting Aldon has an Aug 8 meeting with Goodell scheduled.

  62. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wow, NoFear. Tell me how you really feel. Funny how your inadequacies shine through. Sorry you haven’t touched a woman in 30 years. What is your friend’s blog? I’d like to visit it. I[‘m sure you’ll decline, as it’s all a pipedream. It would mean you have friends.

    The only one I bicker with is you and your arcane views. Yeah, I’m what’s wrong with the internet. Typical myopic bullshit because you don’t agree with me. You attack everything I post (well 98%), and occasionally you aren’t combative over shit. I don’t start bullshit but I defend myself.

    That’s only your purview. Not anyone else’s. Got it. Do as I say, not as I do.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Preseason starts Sunday Night with Hall of Fame Game Giants vs Bills
    We are 7 days away from Niners first game against the Ravens

    NFL will experiment moving extra points back in the first 2 preseason games. Not sure what they’re looking for except a bunch of misses which is not likely because inside of 35 yards is usually automatic.
    If they want to make extra points less automatic and FGs riskier thus forcing teams to go for it on 4th down they ought to narrow the goal posts and raise the crossbar. Right now the goal posts are 18.5 ft wide and crossbar is 10 ft high. Narrow it to 14 ft wide and raise the crossbar to 12 ft high and that will accomplish more than moving back the try for point.

    “Starting with Sunday night’s Hall of Fame Game and through the second week of the preseason, teams will line up at the 15-yard line when kicking extra points. (Two-point conversion attempts will remain at the 2-yard line, and extra points will move back to the 2 for the third week of the preseason and throughout the regular season.)”

  64. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    On my site that is, NoFear. Here is a different story.

  65. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It hadn’t occurred to me that anything was wrong with the extra point until Billacheat made some noise. After considering the debate it still seems just fine with me what the current rules are. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  66. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I call BS to your last post.
    I ask you nicely to have a civil discussion on football yesterday and you come back with profanity. Yesterday you called me a 10 year old girl, a 60 year old Southern Belle and a 65 year old woman with the intention of it being a slur.
    Futhermore as you just did with NF you keep up this tangent of
    being with a woman.
    One just needs to read your posts to figure out some things aren’t happening for you and you are lashing out.
    I am not sure what our personal lives have to do with our knowledge of the 49ers. Just wondering where that comment about NF not touching a woman in 30 years comes from? What concern of that is yours? Is it any of your business?
    When you’re at the short end of an argument you resort to the most juvenile personal attacks.
    Flying V and Spit are the gold standards of how low you can go as a troll. You are giving them a run for their money.

  67. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The only reason I think Boone’s agents are driving this is because Boone knew damn well the Niner front office stance on this. It has always been, you have to be here to be negotiated with. You don’t show up in the building, you don’t get more money.

    Feingold and whoever are notorious hard-line holdout advocates. As VD and many others discovered, even being here doesn’t get you a new deal. Spencer was shut down, Goldson was not even close with his demands, A Smith got a year to year deal, as did Kappy (by design or ignorance). The guys getting deals are the ones not making noise and doing top-flight work. Willis, Bowman, and now Boldin are recent examples.

  68. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Awwww. Why do you feel the need to ‘gotcha’ folks here? Over and over? At some point it gets frustrating to hear you gloat over comments grumpy and I made 5 years ago regarding Crabtree.

    You start shit and get offended when I react. Which is why I call bullshit on your holier-than-thou attitude. NoFear does the same shit.

  69. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, you’ve never cast aspersions here, Bullit. Please. Laughable. You throw shit around and get hurt when I react.

  70. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If you stop with your trolling and badgering, I’ll gladly not go after you for being a jerk.

  71. robNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49ER good to see you too ! BULLIT dammit I assumed Williams would be ok by now … crap !

  72. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Same goes for you NoFear. Stop with the veiled bullshit that you so obtusely throw out there. I can be a civil person, but poke me with a stick, and I fight back. Here, and in the 3-D world.

  73. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    People can read. that’s all I need to say.

  74. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    They don’t CARE. You seem to think people give a shit. Or get proud of you when you berate people over and over about whatever you get a wild hair up your ass about. People just ignore it.

    Williams is still hurt? I wasn’t sold on him anyway, but I think he’s better than Dorsey.

  75. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Dustin Hoffman was a “Little Big Man” (1970). Yet no mention about the two-time Oscar winner on this thread but a “brittle-boned alcoholic from Pinole” gets a blurb?

    The Academy is going to hear about this blatant Outsider omission.

  76. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That was a great movie, Dennis. Saw it in the theater with my mom.

    Good stuff. Long as hell though if I remember right.

  77. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Little Big man is a movie based on a book written by Berger!

  78. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, the Berger I was trying to think about was former punter Mitch Berger. Played for nearly half the league mostly with the Vikings. Berger wasn’t too proficient with the fake punt. 0/3 win an INT career passing. Stick to kicking the ball!

  79. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The offensive lineman is Joe Berger who plays for Minnihaha.

  80. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And he drank Bergermeister beer.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Barrows on the Dline play at practice
    “I’m not sure if it’s possible to pancake guard Mike Iupati. But Tank Carradine came awfully close during one-on-one pass-rush drills when he forced the big left guard backward several steps. Everyone who is asked about Carradine invariably talks about his strength, and that’s been evident in this drill.

    Carradine was the starting right defensive end in place of Justin Smith (shoulder). Tony Jerod-Eddie was the starting left defensive end in place of Ray McDonald (leg). Dan Skuta took nearly all of the first-team snaps at right outside linebacker with Aldon Smith in Los Angeles. Corey Lemonier played mostly on the second-team defense.

    The other lineman who continually stands out is Quinton Dial. Today’s was the fourth straight padded practice, and you could tell that tempers were starting to fray a bit. It seems that Dial is involved whenever there’s some harsh words exchanged.”

  82. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    We really would benefit if Tank lives up to his potential on the defensive line. Throw a productive Dial into the rotation and we should have an excellent unit this year.

  83. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The news about Tank and Dial has been good!

  84. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    No new contract for Jimbo, if any, until after this season has ended. I guess Jed needs to see Harbaugh lose one more NFCCG so he knows for sure that Harbaugh’s the right coach for the next five years…to keep losing NFCCGs. I’ve seen enough.

  85. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Two new NFL rules that Dickie Sherman and potty mouths might not care for
    “– Illegal contact will be emphasized. The 49ers are known to not be so keen on the Seahawks defensive backs’ physical approach. Contact beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage — other than that to shield yourself from a collision — will be flagged as part of a “heightened” approach. The 49ers coaches were quite interested in discussing this rule today with officials, who were happy to see the 49ers’ defensive coaches instruct their players to re-route receivers at 4 yards rather than the 5-yard border.”

    “– Improper language is going to yield more unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. This means abusive, threatening or insulting words, as well as racial slurs.”

  86. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Anything that generates more flags and more subjective calls out there by the zebras is a detriment to the game.

    They can’t get PI calls right, now. They haven’t been able to for 35 years. Since the Mel Blount rule. This only makes things worse.

    Yippee. They should just make QBs and WRs illegal to hit or tackle. Then scoring would go up.

  87. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Seahag DBs routinely maintain contact with the WRs way past the 5 yards allowed. It has been well publicized that they use their size and length to disrupt the receivers they’re covering.
    On the crucial play in the NFCCG Dickie grabs Crabtree putting his hands on him to determine where the WR is going 10 yards downfield.
    Seahags think they’ll continue this technique because the refs won’t call keep calling this. If they’re doing something wrong
    I’d keeping throwing flags until they stop.
    I have no problem with them calling 5 penalties in a row if it’ll force their DBs to play within the rules.

  88. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The message to the Seahag DBs is they cannot continue to mug WRs.
    The NFL is announcing this to the entire league but this is aimed squarely at the Seahags defensive philosophy.

  89. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Full transcript of Roman’s presser from yesterday on progress of the offense

  90. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Now that Al is gone JJ has snatched the title as the biggest buffoon in the NFL pulling this stunt.
    Mr Jones thinks he’s entitled to do this, but it is a stunt.
    Things have to line up perfectly for the Cowgurls to even host a early playoff game much less the NFCCG.

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It happened to Crabs in the Super Bowl, Bullitt. Like they say in the line, you can call holding on someone on every single play.

    Just as now you can call illegal contact on any pass play. Really, It was worse in the 80s as the refs NEVER called push-offs on WRs and DBs never got the benefit of the doubt. It has been determined that WRs do sometimes try to gain advantage.

    This is about the only thing that has changed in the way PI or illegal contact is called.

  92. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    News that might finally get Eddie D into the HOF
    The only chance he had previously was when it was a weaker class
    of eligible candidates

  93. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Annnd the fun continues. Per Bleacher Report, Michael Crabtree is out 1-2 weeks with an undisclosed injury.

    He’s allergic to camp?

  94. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Sore hamstring for Crabs . . .

  95. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Crabtree showed me a lot last season by coming back so quickly after his Achilles injury.
    He exploded the myth that he was a diva in my book because he easily could have sat out the entire season and collected his paycheck.
    I have never doubted Crabtree’s heart or work ethic because by all accounts he busted his ass and went through a lot of pain to get back last year. The people that doubt crabtree haven’t been paying attention.

  96. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right. Because all that matters is what you think. No other opinion is valid regarding Crabs.

    Here’s a question. Do you think he’s worth $11-$12 mill a year? That’s likely going to be his price tag. Frankly, I don’t think he’s worth that kind of coin. Why? Because he’s not a guy that can get deep. He’s a possession WR. Possession WRs are a dime a dozen. Boldin provufdes the same thing Crabs provides. Too bad he’s getting old.

    $8 mill for Crabs? Sure. $35 mill for 4 years? I can hang with that. But if you think he wants anything under $11 mill you are out to lunch.

    What’s your ceiling regarding a contract for Crabs, Bullitt?

    I’d rather pay VD. Crabs will Goldson himself right out of here.

  97. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    It is not just my opinion. If you get your head out of the sand you’ll see that Harbaugh, Roman and Kap have all gone out of their way to praise Crabtree and how he looks and the time and effort he has expended to get to this level.

    Look at what Colston, Victor Cruz and Jordy Nelson are making and their stats are similar to Crabtree.
    Same with $16 mil a year Larry Fitzgerald. He averages 12.5 yds per reception and 7 TDs a year.
    You always view everything through a myopic lens with your current obsession long passes through the air.

    I just care if the player contributes and helps the Niners win
    and Crabtree has proven that. The FO will pay him what he worth to the team.
    Why should I give you a prediction? Your game has always been amnesia when you’ve guessed wrong and constantly patting yourself on the back on the very rare occasion when you had a lucky guess.

  98. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    With Fitzgerald those stats are what he’s averaged in the last 4 years after signing his new deal

  99. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:


  100. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    ***FF Update***

    I just reactivated both our Yahoo! and ESPN leagues. Sorry it took so long, but I’ve kind of been lost in space more than usual this year. Will Robinson isn’t the only one who’s in danger.

    So please be advised if you play in either league or both, as some of you do, that the tentative LIVE draft times are scheduled for Tuesday, Sept. 2 at 6 PM PT (Yahoo!) and 8 PM (ESPN) PT respectively.

    That’s the day after Labor Day and has been the usual draft day as best I can remember for all these years. It’s after all the preseason games when all rosters are set and we know which players have won starting jobs and/or might be injured.

    As always let me know your intentions of playing or not and any suggestions and/or changes you would like to see.

    Thank you.

  101. winderNo Gravatar says:

    thanks dennis i’m in.

  102. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’m in. I may even hit the draft this year.

  103. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Vintage photos of past Niner training camps

    Photos of past Niner assistant coaches including Petey

  104. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Noticed that players from the ’60s and ’70s looked older or more mature even though they were in their early 20s.
    Ray Wersching always looked like he was in his late 40’s even though he was 27 when he joined the Niners.
    Brodie and Tittle always looked old.
    The non Niner that might have been 25 but looked like he was 50
    was Garo Yepremian. He might have the most noodle arm in NFL history.

  105. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Did you guys get a load of the WOTD? Interrobang. How lazy of a country have we become that we had to invent a punctuation mark (‽) so we wouldn’t have to use both the ? and ! marks to indicate a mixture of query and interjection.

    Rob would never do that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

  106. robNo Gravatar says:

    Reports say we’ve lost glen dorsey for the year

  107. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, I wasn’t able to play last year, but I’m able to this year if a spot opens up. I only played yahoo. Maybe espn this year? Hmmmm, another yahoo Ring or another major? Tough choice.

  108. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    You’re welcome to play in the ESPN league. Might have a spot in Yahoo! as well. I’ll send ya an invite. Provide me with your current e-mail please.

    Glen Dorsey out for the year with a torn biceps. Our D is going to blow big time the first part of the year w/o Aldon and Bowman.

    Already a rash of big injuries. Beginning to think it ain’t our year. Put me down for 6-10 and I’ll see you guys in 2015. 🙂

  109. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Dorsey is out for the year with the dreaded torn biceps and his injury occurred on his 29th birthday.
    Both Dorsey and Hunter were in the final year of their contracts.
    Hope they both make full recoveries by next season and will be interesting if Niners offer them a new deal which dpends how well their replacements play.

  110. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Denny Fantasy has a custom league that stole your idea.
    It’s a Game Of Thrones league and they are looking for more players

  111. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think I have your e-mail anymore, Dennis. Mine’s (here comes the spam!)
    Come to think of it, I don’t think I played 2 years ago, either. I’m losing track of which year was which, lol.
    I’m 1-1 overall, 1-0 for the season I was able to pick my own team. Another trophy would look nice on the mantel.

  112. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I know one thing. This new “rebuilt” or whatever the hell Roman and the King Liar want to call it, best work. And work fast. Our D is going to be significantly worse than last year’s. 17 pts/gm. Good luck with that shit again. It’s going to be at least 21/gm this yr given the offenses we have to face.

    Shit. Tony Romo just beat Craig Dahl over the top and connected with Dez Bryant on a 50 yd TD.

    How bout dem Cowboys‽ I’m a lazy bastard.

  113. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, what’s the GoT league ID over at I’m not the biggest fan of their FF, but I did have one team over there last year and just renewed it. One more won’t kill me. That’s Jim Harbaugh’s job.

  114. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    12 team league and one spot left
    League ID 2302019

  115. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Password for league is blitz

  116. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    OK, just joined. But the draft is TOMORROW at 8 AM‽ I just bought my two FF mags yesterday. I’ve done zero research and/or mock drafts. I guess I’ll just wing it.

    I know one thing for sure: I won’t be drafting the 49ers D/ST

  117. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Have to admit some guys in the GOT league know their stuff.
    The Unsullied and Crows before Hoes are very clever. Chuckyboo not so much.

  118. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners have released their first depth chart. They still have Dorsey listed at NT so this was put together before his injury.
    Perrish Cox is the primary return guy so far with Ellington listed second, but ball security and what happens in the games will go a long ways in determining who gets the job.

  119. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here is the depth chart

    Wide receiver: Anquan Boldin, Stevie Johnson, Devon Wylie, Chuck Jacobs, Bruce Ellington
    Left tackle: Joe Staley, Carter Bykowski
    Left guard: Mike Iupati, Al Netter
    Center: Daniel Kilgore, Marcus Martin, Dillon Farrell
    Right guard: Joe Looney, Adam Snyder, Michael Philipp
    Right tackle: *Anthony Davis, Jonathan Martin, Ryan Seymour
    Tight end: Vernon Davis, Vance McDonald, Derek Carrier, Asante Cleveland, Kevin Greene
    Wide receiver: *Michael Crabtree, *Brandon Lloyd, Quinton Patton, Jon Baldwin, Kassim Osgood, David Reed
    Fullback: Bruce Miller, Will Tukuafu
    Running back: Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, Jewel Hampton, Alfonso Smith, (*LaMichael James), (*Kendall Hunter)
    Quarterback: Colin Kaepernick, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Johnson, McLeod Bethel-Thompson

    Left defensive tackle: *Ray McDonald, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Tank Carradine
    Nose tackle: Glenn Dorsey, Quinton Dial, Mike Purcell
    Right defensive tackle: *Justin Smith, Demarcus Dobbs, Lawrence Okoye
    Outside linebacker: Ahmad Brooks, Corey Lemonier, Chase Thomas
    Inside linebacker: Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody, Blake Costanzo
    Inside linebacker: Patrick Willis, Chris Borland, Shayne Skov
    Outside linebacker: Aldon Smith, Dan Skuta, Aaron Lynch
    Left cornerback: Tramaine Brock, Chris Cook, Darryl Morris
    Right cornerback: Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Dontae Johnson, Kenneth Acker
    Free safety: Eric Reid, Jimmie Ward, C.J. Spillman, James McCray
    Strong safety: Antoine Bethea, Craig Dahl, Bubba Ventrone, D.J. Campbell

    Punter: Andy Lee, Colton Schmidt
    Kicker: Phil Dawson, Colton Schmidt
    Holder: Andy Lee
    Punt return: Perrish Cox, Bruce Ellington
    Kick return: Perrish Cox, Carlos Hyde
    Long snapper: Kevin McDermott, Kyle Nelson

  120. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I doubt Dahl is even on the squad this year, Dennis. Spilman has better value as the 4th safety because of ST, and we’ll be keeping extra CBs this year. I doubt we keep 5 safeties, but if we do, I’d think Ventrone might beat out Dahl, again because of ST.

  121. robNo Gravatar says:

    Latest reports say dorsey might still make it back. I like dial as a replacement he is 6-5 320

  122. robNo Gravatar says:

    It would be awesome to see dorsey and dial as the NT combo. If not new england has both wilfork and harris on the nose. I wonder if they would consider trading harris?

  123. robNo Gravatar says:

    How about terrence cody from balt. ?

  124. robNo Gravatar says:

    Oh and guess who is a free agent … isaac sopoaga!

  125. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Rob, I gotta love your enthusiastic optimism that permeates throughout each and every one of your comments. God forbid we lost Kap tomorrow to a season-ending ACL. You’d tell me our Niners would still win the Super Bowl with Blaine Gabbert as our ship’s captain.

    Gabbert would be captain alright. Captain of the SF Titanic.
    All a 6-10 season ashore that’s going ashore. 😀

  126. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, WTF is going on with this league? When I signed up there was just ONE IDP designation. Now there’s one DL, one DB, one LB and one DP‽

    Never has the WOTD ‽ been so apropos.

  127. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Check this out. It’s something different and very cool!

  128. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You’ve picked the most obscure player in the NFL in Paul Worrilaw. He’s not just a sleeper, he’s comatose.

  129. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    What’chu talkin’ ’bout, Willis‽ I’m wearing the shit out of that interrobang. Worrilow led the Falcons in tackles last year with 137. Add to that Atlanta has made Paul their signal-caller this year and adorned him with the “green dot” on his helmet. Worrilow just might vie for Defensive MVP. I know what the hell I’m doing. Momma didn’t raise no dummy‽

    And just for good measure I’m now following @PaulWorrilow on Twitter. Paul’s my new favorite non-Niner.

  130. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Don’t forget who’s the DC there.
    I never heard of Worrilow from John Taylor’s alma mater until I read about him. He’s a blue hen and I’d like a Delaware Punch.
    I was in a draft last night where I drafted 10th in a 10 team league. Drafting 10th sucks. It’s like being in no man’s land
    Today I drafted 6th and I’m happier with this team.
    In this league the extra defensive player has to be a LB. LBs outscore other IDPs by average of 5 pts a week.

  131. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I was just happy to get Brees after “Did we sign Peyton Manning yet‽” went a few picks earlier. In a league that awards 1 pt/completion, I thought one of those two were a must at QB.

    And I’m perfectly happy with Brees. No way in hell does Manning duplicate his numbers from last year. If he does‽ I’m going to be even more upset that we didn’t sign him.

  132. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Nolan’s “Bend but don’t break” D is perfect for IDPs.
    Keeps ’em on the field longer.

  133. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    You’re the Orange Vipers‽ You put the ‘C’ and ‘M’ in “Company Man.”
    You drafted Aldon. Don’t even think about offering him in a trade for Paul Worrilow. No dice.

  134. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    9ers waived WR Jon Baldwin – Claimed WR La’Damian Wasington from the Cowpatties –
    Interesting move….

  135. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I never believed Baldwin was really in the mix for a spot this year anyway. He did nothing but allow us to ship out AJ Jenkins.

  136. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I think it was a salary manuever Grump –
    Exchange Contracts with KC, got him to restructure, now he’s replaced by UDFA who has a long battle to even make the PS.

    Nothing earth-shattering about this exchange but, Baalke likely saved some Cap $$$.

    Washington is a big target with great speed.
    Development prospect at best I’d say.

  137. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    MM reports the 49ers think Ian Williams is almost ready to go and hope he can step in for Dorsey.

  138. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’m sure after a year away to heal up, Ian should be a viable option.

    Look at Iupati, he broke an ankle and seems good to go.
    I guess Ian was more of a lower leg thing than an ankle?

    Grueling game in the trenches.
    Nothing comes easy, including the healing process I guess.

  139. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    ……..And they’re OFF!!!

  140. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m so happy to hear about how well Dial is coming along. I watched him play at Alabama and could not figure why he wasn’t getting any attention. I kept watching the Tide to see the NT Jesse Williams play. Each time I tuned in it was Dial that dominated. He played every position on the D-line and made plays from each position.

    He’s got size and is a well balanced player. He did not stand out at any technique, except disrupting plays, but he was solid at each one. He had no apparent weaknesses. I think he would be able to play NT but I think he would be really good at DE in the 3-4. As we get to see more we’ll see if what he did in college transfers to the pros. If it does, and I think it will, you folks are going to really like this guy.

    He might struggle a little at NT at the beginning because he is 6-5 and doesn’t play very low but Tomsula will coach him up. If they can put him at DE he’ll do well much quicker. He has the perfect size for the position as well as good quickness for his size as well as really good strength. Playing a little higher is OK at DE.

    For some he has come out of nowhere. I expected him make the team and be a player in the rotation. I’m not too surprised as to what the reports are on him. The fact he got no hype in college and then lasted to the 5th round made me be tentative about talking about him but maybe the bad toe that kept him out so long is what made him drop so low in the draft. I’m also thinking that maybe he didn’t get much hype in college because the Tide used him as a jack-of-all-trades D-lineman.

  141. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    One guy that had a great pre-season in the first two games at NT last year was Purcell. He dropped off the last two games and didn’t make the team. I never heard why the drop off in the last two games, maybe a nagging injury? I don’t know. Anyway, I am anxious to see what this kid has this year. If he plays like his first two pre-season games of last year’s pre-season he’ll make the team. The 49ers kept him around for a year, they must see something they like.

  142. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The guy that came out of nowhere for me was Jerod-Eddie. I saw him make some plays last year and did not know his number and kept asking, who is that guy? It is possible we have a really deep D-line with a lot of talent. Time will tell but it looks like Baalke might have really done a great job here. Having Smith and McDonald sit right now might be a blessing to get these guys up to speed faster. I’m exited to see what they have.

  143. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Man. Looking at those pics of Jim Kelly during half time is rough. That disease has literally eaten that man alive. And Jim’s already gone through the pain and suffering of losing a young son, and now this. Wish Jim nothing but the best.

  144. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe it’s just a coinkydink, but at this very moment both Skeeber’s and Chuck’s blog have 148 comments — not any more.

    Berger, if Mike Purcell is our starting NT Week 1 vs the ‘Boys, Tony Romo is going to throw for 400 yds and 4 TDs.

    Draft your Cowboy FF players accordingly.

  145. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Of course, if Tony Romo throws for 400 yds and 4 TDs, he’ll also throw 3 INTs, including a Pick Six with five minutes left, and lose 31-28. Because that’s how Tony rolls.

  146. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- Purcell is a 2 gap run stuffer. All of our other NTs do more one gapping. I’m not counting Dorsey since he’s hurt. Run stuffing 2 gappers come in handy on 4th and short or goal line. They also tend to get maligned by fans because most don’t noticed their effectiveness when their contributions don’t show up on the stat sheet. See Bryant, Red.

  147. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, this is probably just the usual ultimate pessimistic me speaking, but I think there’s a decent to good chance that our D won’t be up to snuff given the injuries and the impending suspension to Aldon to start off the year.

    Cowboys followed up by the Bears‽ I’m not ready to go out and make any W/L predictions on those first two games yet, but I will predict this: Our D will have given up 60+ pts. by the end of those two games.

    Continuing to rely on our defense this year ain’t going to cut it. This team needs to score points.

  148. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17