J. O. Y. to the World

It’s been almost six days and Aldon Smith has not been arrested, stabbed, sued, blackmailed, or injured while hang gliding. Way to go, big guy! Only 21 more days on your own that you can screw up before falling under the watchful eyes of the 49er coaching staff once again.

Jim Harbaugh certainly made an impression his first year in the NFL. The rookie bossman not only was voted Coach of the Year, but many people in the league would have voted him Jerk of the Year, too, if an actual award existed. Some of these sentiments are undoubtedly stalk envy, but clearly tact and graciousness are of little concern to Harbaugh.

Of greater concern, to the other coaches in the league, is the possibility that Harbaugh can take his’n beat yourn and take yourn and beat his’n.

All eyes will be on Jim in his second year. Rival coaches are hoping last year was more blind luck than skill, with Harbaugh being in the right place at the right time to ride the coattails of a team ready to bust out. 49er fans are hoping both the team and its coach are ready to take the league by storm.

Should the latter fantasy prove true, or close to true, the 49ers will not be a team any other team wants to see on its schedule. They’ll have the ability to not only beat you, but to embarrass you. Last I looked, the only HC that sent bouquets to another coach for giving him the red ass/red face doubleton was Mike Singletary. The team rolled its eyes and promptly shanked out a 6-10 season.

Pete Carroll was the recipient of Singletary’s gratitude after that opening day butt kicking Seattle laid on the 49ers in 2010. In 2011, Pete went 0-2 against Harbaugh and probably wishes his team had fumbled that 2010 game, skipped the playoffs, and kept Singletary employed for another year or two in San Francisco. If Carroll goes goose eggs against Harbaugh this year, the ugly word nemesis will creep into the vocabulary of the Seattle blogosphere.

Another coach looking to redeem his image versus Harbaugh will bring his Detroit team to Candlestick on the second weekend in 2011 — Jim Schwartz. Schwartz really was voted Jerk of the Year recently by a national publication that escapes my memory. Harbaugh was runner up in this vote.

The order of presidence was reversed last year, as Harbaugh’s boys defeated Schwartz’s. After the game is when the fun began, as Harbaugh’s handshake ragdolled Schwartz, sending him into a frenzy of undignified indignity. Schwartz would love to get even this year, but if his Lions get steamrolled in game two, there’ll be two coaches battling the nemesis label.

This could be fun, guys. How many coaches can Harbaugh infuriate? Will it approach the number accumulated by Bill Belichick? Are we really looking at the Next Great Coach in the NFL? Or will Harbaugh plunge to earth in his sophomore season?

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    As long as we can control the LOS and get to the QB with 4 players we’ll be fine. Defensive lines win championships.

  2. tonyNo Gravatar says:

    Hey Skeebs…Yes i believe we’re looking at the next great coach… i must admit i enjoy his style (or sometimes lack of..) But what will make him a GREAT coach are his choices of assistant coaches…every great coach has/had great assistants…most who go on to become head coaches…we;ve seen the difference a top coaching staff makes….its no secret Harbaugh had a list of coaches he wanted, and got them…as they loose some over time to other teams….their replacements will speak volumes…(the same way Belichik has run the Patriots )

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Another favorite topic here.

  4. tonyNo Gravatar says:

    this year..14 and 2 🙂

  5. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners won first round in court and likely to win the ruling on 7/27
    I just read that they are going forward in building the LA to SF Bullet Train which IMHO is a good thing. Expensive yes but very necessary if it can connect the 2 areas to within 2 hours. Europe and Asia have had these high speed rail lines for 20 years now.
    It’s time to start building again in America instead of pissing away money overseas.
    I remember when BART was being built how San Jose opted out because they didn’t want to pay the 1% extra sales tax. Now they are expanding BART to San Jose 25 years later at a cost of 50 times
    Funny how the Santa Clara Oversight Board tried to take the money for “schools and education”
    because they can get public sympathy. In reality budgets are just shifting money from one program to another like a game of 3 card monti.

  6. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- Tony Stewart wins again!!!!!!!! Why don’t you ever pick him? Like Justin Smith is my favorite 49er, Tony is my favorite driver. I only go with winners. Three time champ and 3rd win this year. Put him on your radar.

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Latest on the Niners from CSNBA


  8. robNo Gravatar says:


    ernest borgnine died ! he was 95 !

    wow ! awesome star and made it to 95 !
    can’t ask for more than that !

  9. robNo Gravatar says:


    tony stewart is a spoiled little asshole

  10. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    He’s going to put your driver into the wall next week-end. I don’t care who it is, he’ll find him.

  11. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    rob- Troy Smith is available.

  12. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Tony, just asking, which 2?

  13. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs I think the article you’re thinking of came from Michael Freeman of CBS Sports.
    Problem there is, he had Schwartz and Harbaugh tied for 9/10.
    It’s going to make for a great rematch at the ‘Stick for sure.

    Freeman’s top-10 jerks:

    1. Eagles QB Mike Vick

    2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger

    3. The New Orleans Saints

    4. Former NFL receiver Terrell Owens

    5. Bears WR Brandon Marshall

    6. Eagles WR DeSean Jackson

    7. Jets DB Antonio Cromartie

    8. Bears QB Jay Cutler

    9. (tie) Coaches Jim Schwartz of Lions and Jim Harbaugh of 49ers

  14. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, got busy so didn’t reply timely to your prior post re AS looking off safeties etc.

    I look with my own eyes. Just because the predominant POV is its not his strong point and just because I use a popular turn of phrase does not make me a sheep. It does mean that that’s what I see, in person, ergo that’s my opinion.

    I hope you have some insight I have been missing and you prove to be right and I’m wrong since the team wins more if your right. For that I could eat a little crow.

    Something we do agree on, Justin Smith is an absolute power on the line, and my fav inner player too.

    Skeebs, I feel good that Harbaugh is not only the real deal but that he has sharpened the tools passed on to him as well as his shiny new ones. Looking forward to his sophomore season expecting less numeric success but that we make it to the big show!

  15. robNo Gravatar says:

    they talked about two of borgnine’s best , but completely forgot my favorite movie of his !

    it’s called emperor of the north !
    awesome flick imo !

  16. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- You said you couldn’t tell without coaches tape. Since you can’t tell one would assume you are going by what others are saying. You actually helped prove my point. I do watch his eyes and head direction during games and see him looking off DBs often. He is very good at this technique.
    Have you ever noticed how well he does in spread formations, even when the other team knows we have to pass. Like in his six 4th quarter comebacks last year.
    These coaches need to see what we have at QB and quit trying to run so much. I am a firm believer in the run but not at the expense of being predictable. Running from the spread works great. Hello Greg Roman. Our QB plays very well in spread sets and yet we try to pack the formation and run teams over. When we get behind we go spread and tell Alex we need another comeback. He often delivers.
    I’m fairly certain we will see a lot more spread formations this year. I think we will still try to run but it will often be out of the spread.

  17. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Not quite Berger, what I said is both in person at games and on TV I don’t see him poised or looking off safeties etc. I said I would need the coaches tape to be certain.

    Since you don’t have the tape either I’m not sure what you are seeing I’m not but each to his own.

    Smith does far better in the spread but my take on that is he has more time to deliver the ball, fast decision making from under center has not been his forte to date.

    Oddly enough I couldn’t agree more that we should use the spread more, even with sub standard WR corp last year since VD and Gore are great receiving threats and that Gore/Hunter would still be effective runners from the spread.

    I think the coaches will try AS more in the shotgun and see what happens. He is mostly able to operate it when under pressure to come back so why not see if he can at other times?

  18. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll repost that it is now possible to view the Coach’s game film if you subscribe . It’s $35 if you choose one team or $40 for the entire season.
    Sounds interesting and not that expensive cuz you get the entire 2012 season.


  19. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    That has been my opinion as well 12th regarding Alex.
    He’s either not comfortable with tight windows or, the routes aren’t being run properly?
    Way too late IMO to make the majority of his reads from under center.
    For me, Alex lacks confidence to make the quick strike, tight window throws.
    Now, I’m sure we’re all hoping his confidence level will improve as Harbaugh continues to show him the Offense, especially in year 2.
    If Alex comes out against Aaron and goes toe to toe with him, a win in GB would prove to me that he’s headed in the right direction.
    If, on the other hand, they play a conservative, run first Offense and shackle Alex, it won’t help his confidence one bit.
    He’s too sheepish for me.
    He needs more Harbaugh bravado. That should happen, the sooner, the better.

  20. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- I see him looking off DBs well. If you can’t see it then I thinking you are just not paying attention to it. When enough people say it for long enough the crowd starts believing.
    I’ve said for years, but have been way outnumbered by the haters, his coaching has been terrible. Mosat just want to blame the QB. Even Joe Montana said “The offense sucks, there’s no one to throw to”.
    He proved himself to me last year. We have a good QB.

  21. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Alex doesn’t need a confidence boost, he knows what he is doing. I guess you didn’t see the decisiveness vs NO in the play-offs when he hit VD multiple times on the winning drive? How about the quick strike to Walker to beat the Lions on the road?
    I hate to break the news to you but Harbaugh was a conservative coach with Andrew Luck at Stanford. He likes to run the ball and I don’t see that changing. What I do hope happens is he does it more from spread formations. That alone would help any QB, even Alex Smith.
    I’m not saying to run from the Spread exclusively. What I am saying is to use it more often, especially on 1st and 10.

  22. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I just think with the addition of LaMichael James the Niners will run some Jet plays where they put all their speed on the field
    and makes it very difficult for the defense to match up.
    Covering Vernon Davis on those delays where goes against the grain across the formation will be near impossible.
    I do believe Harbaugh/Roman will open up the offense a couple of notches with the added talent.
    Goldson has exactly one week to sign the tender for one year $6.2
    mil or try to get more on a long term deal.
    Will he holdout? That would be a mistake because Goldson overvalues his worth and his agent is doing him no favors by not telling him the truth.

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- Let him sign for one yr 6.2 mil. Then next yr when no team offers him that amount we can re-sign him for a multi year at about 4 or 5 per yr.

  24. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Also- I started to write in one my last posts to 12th and NJ that drafting James is a sign we will have a more open offense. But then I thought about Harbaugh’s days and Stanford. He had Andrew Luck and ran a very conservative offense. I don’t see him changing much in that area. I do see the way he has done things changing a bit from a formation stand point. We’ll see.

  25. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Wow! Check this out. Could this be why our offense was so conservative last year? Maybe the WRs did not know the plays? The inference from this article tells me our WRs did not pay attention in meetings last year. This is fairly big news.

  26. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Just saw it too and you beat me to the punch.
    I prepared a link to the audio so here it is

    It’s all about buying in and the attitude.

  27. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    It occurs to me that if Randy Freaking Moss has to set an character example for you….

    Wow. Just: wow. Crabs had better pull his head ALL THE WAY out of his ass if he wants to have a longer career in the NFL.

  28. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, what I see is AS staring at his first read too long waiting for him to get visibly open causing the safety to shade that side, then frantically trying to find his second read as his pocket collapses. I don’t see a designed looking off of a safety to ensure man coverage on his second read. If you consider that looking off the safety, OK.

    Can’t recall if he has ever managed a pump fake either but its certainly not part of his arsenal.

    He almost never looks poised in the pocket, in command. He does do much better under pressure coming from behind when he must take risks and we go shotgun. Of course their defense is usually in prevent at that point so yards and completions are easier to come by to.

    Hopefully both schemewise and confidence wise he is not so conservative and we will see just what we do have.

  29. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Good point Grump.

  30. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, fence sitters of the world unite?

    I guess I’ve been called worse.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- The old prevent excuse. Got it. So the Saints and Lions were in prevent. Got it. Except I did not see that. You and I are watching two different QBs and two different games. I guess when you hang with the hanging posse you all sell yourself on the company line. I think you and your posse are way off in your assessments. In fact, if that is what you see it is my opinion you have no idea of what you are seeing. One person who agrees with me is the head coach. For me, that is all that matters.
    It is funny. At first you don’t know how I see what I see without coaches film, and now you are telling me everything you could not see. Interesting. Sounds like hanging posse fodder. I’ll agree with Harbaugh and Montana, you agree with the posse. V, Spitblood, Del and NoFear are still recruiting. NJ is tending the door, with one foot in and one foot out so he can join or bail quickly.
    Anyway, I’m not buying your argument. I’m not joining the posse. I’m going with Harbaugh and Montana.

  32. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    No indecisiveness here Berger.
    Alex is timid.
    You say ist’s Harbaugh’s Offense, I say it’s the QB he’s trying to develop.
    Alex has potential.
    He’s just taking a long, long time to find it.
    If I’m the doorman, it’s to see which side Alex decides to use.
    Entrance or Exit.
    I seek success for the 9ers and, he’s the guy that has to play above average if we expect to see Lombardi #6.
    As games go, NO was a coming out party for him.
    As 12th has said, when he has time to think, he often thinks wrong.
    Make him adhere to a clock, like the WCO, there’s hope for his improvement.
    If he was fearless, he’d have taken more risks against the NYG. Like Eli did with Manningham.
    There, I blame the play calling and the WRs just as much.
    Go back to Detroit, the throw to Delanie to ice it was risky, but worked.
    Crabtree was actually all alone on the backline of the endzone and Alex didn’t see him.
    Alex needs to command the Offense not just steer.

  33. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    As for the Randy Moss piece, I rest my suspicions regarding Crabtree giving 100%.
    Had Crabtree and Alex been just a little bit more in touch with one another vs the NYG, 1 third down conversion could have spoken volumes in the end.
    Winning Teams need chemistry and trust. Comes from the HC to each and every guy playing between the lines.
    This Season will be about developing that trust and chemistry.
    Alex, please step up.

  34. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry, NJ, Crabtree was not all alone on that play, as many have said. If you watch the slowmo and focus on Smith, you’ll see him beginning to throw the ball almost immediately after Delanie makes his cut. At that time, Crab is on the one yard line with a DB in his face. As soon as the DBs realize who the target is, they all abandon Crab and converge on Delanie. Crab then wanders alone into the end zone.

  35. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- You and I see this completely different. I see it as Harbaugh and Montana see it. You see it as the hanging posse sees it. Alex is not timid. Just because you say it does not make it so. I completely disagree with what you are saying.

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Randy is a stud, when he wants to be.
    The eternal question has always been, how do you keep him content?
    I can only hope the experience he had in NE will sharpen his focus from start to finish.
    He obviously came within 1 game of history and, missed the Ring.
    He very easily could be the catalyst to get Alex over the hump.
    If Alex and Randy can develop that chemistry and trust, this Offense can be absolutely scary to defense.

  37. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I remember Crabtree with his hand up while Walker was catching the ball. That did not make him open. And what if he was? If Alex threw to him, you would say Walker was open. Alex Smith cannot win with the hanging posse.

  38. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    That’s fine Berger, as long as we both want Alex to succeed.
    When Alex can command the Offense like Brady and Rodgers, I’m going to be happy to call him ‘Above Average’.

  39. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    OK Skeebs, good call.
    I subscribe to similar sentiment regarding Alex hanging onto his primary target a tick too long at times.
    I would enjoy nothing more than to see Alex throw darts like Joe did.
    Hit a slant in the blink of an eye and dissect a Defense with precision.
    I hold plenty of hope for Alex in year 2 with Harbaugh. Looking for the ‘New and Improving’ Alex.

  40. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe if the WRs pay attention at the meetings this year they can get some chemistry. We had to rely on the TEs playing WR too often last year. Now we know why.

  41. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- From your 7:378 post, as clint Eastwood said, “That’s mighty white of you”. I’m not sure Alex will be able to do well without your support.

  42. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger I’m 100% in agreement.
    Want to see Alex win consistantly.
    As for hanging posse? Not my nature.
    I’m here to support my 9ers and not play the ‘I told you so’ game.
    We’re damn close to having a scary Team from top to bottom.
    Alex shows signs of brilliance which keep us wanting more.
    It’s all about consistancy and command for me.

  43. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    What’s white got to do with it?
    Lost me there Berger.

  44. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    White has nothing to do with white but it is a clint Eastwood saying and I’m a Clint fan. I was thinking it might make you chuckle.

  45. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, you are cherry picking my posts to suit your argument. We are talking about tendencieshere not a specific play or part of a game to justify yourself.

    The only way to be absolutely sure if he is looking off safeties deliberately is to see the coaching tape. You can be no more certain than me without that tape but your entitled to your opinion.

    I’m not part of any posse I’m offering MY opinion, you don’t need to agree but to belittle it is cheap.

    I also don’t think Harbaugh or Montana have backed AS the way you are portraying. He is the best option this year.

  46. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Other favorite Clint sayings:
    Make my day
    Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’
    Do you feel lucky?
    And my favorite is one I changed a little, but it does originate from Clint in Outlaw Josie Wales. Don’t piss down my boot and tell it’s raining. Actually, it wasn’t said by Clint but it was his movie.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Harbaugh backed him more than I. He said he should be in the Pro Bowl last year during the season. I never said that. Montana backed him more than I. He said he had no one to throw to. I never said that.
    This reminds of two years ago when I was one of the only on the blog taking Justin Smith’s side and trying to tell everyone how good he was. People were getting technical on me, pointing to stats, trying to tell me how I don’t know about D-line. I just kept saying to those, they don’t know what they are watching, this guy is a stud and one of the best in the league. I was laughed at but I knew what I was talking about. This Alex Smith situation feels exactly the same. Like with Justin, I’m very sure I am right about Alex. He is a very good QB.

  48. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    You know, when I think about this Alex debate a little, it seems you anti Alex guys are pissing down my boot and telling me it is raining.

  49. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Couple of things about that. Harbaugh said probowl QB, then tried to sign a real one, followed by Crabtree has best hands he’s ever seen. There’s a bit of a pattern to Harbaughs praise don’t you think?

    Something I don’t think I heard Montana say, AS is a good QB. Saying we had subpar receivers isn’t praising AS.

    You believe Alex is a very good QB now and I think he is an average QB now and hope he becomes a good one this season.

    We can agree to disagree.

  50. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh is the epitome of ‘Positive’.
    He keeps everything simple and focused, both in the media and dealing with the Locker Room.
    Montana is a Team guy, he chose the high road and likely made your point regarding a blah Offense Berger. I’d also agree with that.
    Having ‘no one to throw to’ could also be an indictment of the WRs as well.
    We’re not playing the V game here, no one hates on Alex in that capacity. I’m just speaking for myself.
    If Alex takes control of this Offense and ‘Drives’, rather than ‘Steers’, we’ll be in a great position to challenge for the SB for the next few years.

  51. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We all have varying degrees of intensity for our players Berger.
    I don’t challenge your beliefs or disagree with your position.
    Just sharing my views as you are.
    Only Hanging Posse I’d be in line for is anything related to Jerry J.O. and Dallas.
    Alex just frustrates me more than he wows me.
    I’m optimistic that Harbaugh will change that perception for me.
    I won’t be hanging Alex anytime soon.

  52. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh also said they never went after Manning. They only evaluated him. Smith said he knew what was going on the whole time. You can believe the posse or the coach. I’ll go with the coach until proven otherwise.
    One thing I’ll say about Crabtree that hasn’t been said since we drafted him, he attacks the ball. He is as good as I remember at that. He needs to start playing more instinctively and get back to that. In college he had as good of a set of hands we had seen. Maybe he is doing that again in practice?
    The pattern I see is he gives good players good compliments. I think Harbaugh is good at his job, and part of that is pumping people up. I do it routinely when I’m managing.
    One thing is for sure, we can agree to disagree. I’m not big on I told you so but I will go there now and then, (see alcohol). But I do call a spade a spade. I really don’t think the haters know what they are talking about when they say some of the posse cliches. Alex has some great qualities that the haters keep saying he is bad at.
    He moves well in the pocket. He does well at negotiating the safeties. He is very good at finding 2nd receivers. He is great at pre-snap reads, which is why he is so good in the Spread. He knows the play book as well as anyone. He is extremely athletic.
    Things he struggles with. His mechanics get loose. That is understandable when he has 7 OCs in 7 years. Instead of learning better mechanics he is learning play books. Jawarski talks about the front knee locking but Brady is the King of doing that. Take a ball and throw it deep. Tell me if your front leg locks. It does. Jawarski can be a bag of hot air sometimes. Probably why he is not in the booth anymore. Unless one has an amazingly strong arm, the knees will lock on long throws. But your knees should stay bent on short and medium throws. If you ever watch Brady, he gets in the bad habit of locking his knees on short to medium throws a lot. And Alex does do this too. But it isn’t as bad as Jaws would lead you to believe. This why a team needs a good QB coach who watches for this and reminds the QB during a game. It is no different than a pitching coach watching his pitcher.
    What Alex’s biggest mechanical flaw is he drops his hands too low. Brees used to do this but has mostly corrected it. When he does this he loses accuracy, plus the delivery gets longer making it easier to swat from behind. It also makes the rest of your delivery lazy. Just because Favre could do it doesn’t mean others can. I’m sure Tom House found other problems. I remember he said he moved his head to the left, a habit he picked up when he hurt his shoulder.
    Anyway, I saw him throw some on video during OTAs. He looked flawless. This Tom House guy must be good.

  53. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We’re all barking at the moon here aren’t we?
    He’s in a better position to succeed now than he has been since we Drafted him.
    He’s got a pretty amazing cast around him now.
    Should be nothing but positive momentum once Camp gets going.

  54. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    BTW, Brees stopped dropping his hands too low after a stint with Tom house. Let’s hope the same happens with Alex.

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Very well said.

  56. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    BTW, I heard through a friend at Rutgers that Anthony Davis was in town for a HS Football Camp.
    Trying to get him to meet me if possible so I can get a picture of him with my Ninja.
    If that happens, I’ll be updating my avatar.

  57. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Definitely a slow news cycle for the NFL.
    Watch this for entertainment purposes only kinda like wrestling

  58. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- The language from those women footballers is funny.

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th, NJ- That was a good debate. Thank you.

  60. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Makes you wonder about a woman when she says she plays balls out football.
    Time to see if she’s wearing a jockstarp.
    The uniforms are like Hooter’s Girl’s outfits.
    The guys who go to these games tell their wives they just love football.

  61. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    And bikinis!

  62. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The funniest line was “F… you whore. On your back, just as always”.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    On a slow football news day people in Australia feel safer now as “the buxom bandit” has been captured


    the parody animation from Taiwan might be just as good


  64. robNo Gravatar says:


    ” 12th, NJ- That was a good debate. Thank you. ”

    that gives me an idea …
    what we need here is a good
    mass-debate !

  65. robNo Gravatar says:

    i love to mass-debate !

  66. robNo Gravatar says:

    not much beats a good mass-debate !

  67. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, my pleasure. You bring a different perspective so its interesting for me.

    Rob, let me know when you’ve finished!

  68. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Seems as though Alex brings out the debator masses eh Rob?
    Don’t let your meat loaf…..

  69. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    What’s a little funny is that NFL Network did a quick go ’round of the NFC West Pro/Con between Sapp and McGinest.
    Sapp likes our D of course, Willie wants to see Alex utilize his new weapons and make the Offense go.
    Pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

  70. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, Greg Cosell at NFL films has a piece about QB v Running backs with a paragraph about our team that I think hits the mark.
    Not everyone likes Cosell’s opinions but he studies more film than anyone else and knows football.

    Sorry can’t give a link but its on NFL films if you want to check it out.

  71. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    See what I can find 12th.
    I agree, Cosell is pretty fair about his assessments.

  72. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s your link…Starting with Roger Craig –

  73. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Ironically 12th, Cosell mentions QBs performing on 3rd Downs and having to function in tight windows.
    Good read.

  74. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Thx for putting up the link NJ.
    He also mentions Alex’s limitations being coached around and that Alex threw the least amount of any QB last season.
    He intimates that the rest of the team must operate at the highest level if the QB can’t produce sufficiently on 3rd down. Niners did just that of course.

    QB is the key ingredient all things being equal, something Singlenuron never understood.

    He also says he feels our D was the best in football although ranked 5th in yds allowed. Keeping them out of the endzone is the best stat I can think of, something we did an outstanding job of.

  75. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    So, Crabs hangs in the back with his hoodie on? Not paying attention? It pretty much figures into what I’ve thought of the guy. Great talent. Dog shit attitude.

  76. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Lets hope he picks up his game to his draft status now.
    Morgan was solid until we lost him and Kyle Williams was good in spurts. Even Ginn had a couple of moments.Crabs was our best receiver by longevity mostly.

    It will be interesting to see how much trust they place in Alex and the receivers. I hope they use spread more and that if they do its successful.

  77. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    12th I’m in total agreement.
    Kinda sums up what we were debating last night.
    My analogy, Drive or Steer.
    I would love to see Alex and Aaron have a barn burner to start the Season.
    It will tell me alot about his and Harbaughs’ confidence in his development.
    Yeh Chuck, I said the same thing about Crabtree.
    Another guy that thought from Day 1 that he deserved something he hasn’t earned.

  78. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Should be interesting to see whether Crabtree takes the challenge from Moss and Manningham and takes his game up a notch or not. Seems Kyle has stepped it up too.
    Nice problem to have I guess?

  79. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    An excellent quote from Cosell –
    ‘The play calling recognized — and minimized — Smith’s limitations, and the overall excellence of the rest of the team propelled the 49ers to their fine season.’

  80. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Cosell makes some solid points about offensive football in general.

    TE is becoming an important part of many teams offense at the expense of WR too.

  81. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Its why I was surprised to read a beat writer asking if Harbaugh’s scheme was holding Alex back when it seemed obvious he had gleened what he could from him given Alex’s shortcomings to this point.

    How can we pose the idea that he is a probowl QB yet not allow him to throw very much, the least of any QB, and certainly rarely make the tough throws?

    Having said all that I really expect him to play more confidently this season and as he said himself, the team “evaluating” Manning gives him a little extra motivation.

  82. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’d go along with that 12th. Harbaugh simply gave Alex a solid confidence boost in everyway he could while showing him ways to improve his production.
    Last year, I knew from the start that Red Zone stalls were not all on Alex but, the Offense in general and likely had everything to do with the lockout.
    Alex should ‘get it’ this Camp and, I’m hopeful it all will just continue to gain momentum as the Season unfolds.
    We’ve waited a LONG time to have expectations again.
    Looking forward to it.

  83. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If Cosell was doing his job correctly he would tell us what those shortcomings are. Also, Alex did not just have the least amount of ints, he tied the NFL record while still orchestrating six 4th quarter comebacks. That was a hack job.

  84. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, it wasn’t a piece about Alex per se, he used Alex and the niners to illustrate his overall point about evolution of offenses and how the niners went against the grain successfully last season but ultimately failed because of the overall roster strength and the clever coaching. That’s why he didn’t go into any details about what he sees as Alex’s limitations, it’s not a hack job on Alex.

    He threw the least INT’s but also the least passes of any QB so statistically he got help there and he was handed some of those comebacks by the defense. He also squandered amazing field position handed to him by the defense at times too.

    He was not alone in this, the offense as a whole must work, but Cosell see’s Alex as limited and up to this point I agree with that.

  85. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe his limitations are a lack of quality WRs? He did not say, so we don’t know.

  86. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I think Cosell would have said deficient WR if that’s what he meant.

    He actually said “Smith’s limitations” seems pretty clear to me.

  87. BergerNo Gravatar says:


  88. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If he would have made that clear you wouldn’t have to defend him. Therefor, hack job.

  89. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Not a defense of him, an elaboration of his points to you since it seems you missed it.

  90. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah I’ve read that piece before.

    Well written I thought as most of Cosell’s pieces are, but again you are discussing a part of a game where he did excel, and we all enjoyed his success.

    That’s a far cry from his every down performance which is the real issue.

  91. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Your telling me what he meant reminds me of religion. One church sees the writing one way and another sees the same writing differently. But they both say you go to hell if you don’t believe their version.
    I know your version. I choose to not have a version since Cosell did not state one. It is what it is. A hack job.

  92. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Taken from the piece you linked to:
    “Despite the outstanding job done by the 49ers defense, San Francisco trailed twice in the final 4 minutes of the game. And that’s when the game belonged to Alex Smith. Sooner or later, in playoff football in today’s NFL, the quarterback must make difficult throws in critical moments. Based on my 16 game study of Smith this season, in which I had evaluated every throw he made, in all situations, I did not believe Smith would make those throws. Against the Saints, he did.”

    The defense had had a terrific game but Alex had to come through in the end despite his so so performance up until that point in the game and amazingly he did just that. One of the most thrilling games I’ve seen and I was in the stands when we came back against the Giants in the playoffs in 2002. Of course we did get a bit of luck right at the end but an amazing game just like the NO game last year.

  93. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, I’m not telling you what he wrote. It’s in his own words “Smith’s limitations”.

    You don’t agree with that opinion and that’s fine, but for me it’s an accurate summation of Alex to date with a few rare exceptions.

  94. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m asking, what are Smith’s limitations?

  95. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    “You don’t agree with that opinion and that’s fine, but for me it’s an accurate summation of Alex to date with a few rare exceptions.”
    An accurate summation for me is 14-4. You disagree?

  96. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Of QB prowess? yes.

    I outlined some of his limitations in our prior debate. We disagree.

  97. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    did everyone vote SF/NO for game of the year? There’s still time before the show starts tonight.

  98. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Berger – Trent Dilfer was the QB for the Ravens that went 12-4 in 2000, and had a 7-1 record as a starter. Did that make him elite? Did it mean he had no limitations?

    Alex Smith is somewhere between Dilfer and Aaron Rodgers. With one hell of a supporting cast. He may not ever get a Pro Bowl in his career, or he might. Either way, he has his limitations – most QBs do – but he is also good enough to win on this team, this year.

    So long as Harbaugh wants Alex, I’m good. He has a very strong team, and I trust his ability to evaluate offense and QBs.

  99. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Not that I really want to wade into this foray, but really, there are so many different factors factors around all of this that you can parse the bnumbers to skew the view to any way of thinking.
    The truth of the matter is, Harbaugh’s job 1 was to build up Alex. In a very short amount of time. The game plans in the beginning were pretty milquetoast. See: Seattle game 1.
    I feel that as the season progressed, Smith was given more to do, and DID make some tough throws. Again, though, there were a lot of 3 and outs. There were a lot of stalled drives. There was a lot of inconsistency.
    A ha! you say. Shitty non-caring
    WRs didn’t help! Yes, that is true. But was Alex checking down too quickly? Were the WRs even paying attention? (The limited games I’ve seen, the latter is more the case, FWIW)
    The low passing numbers are also a misnomer when applied to this offense. The Niners run the ball well, and therefore don’t NEED to throw as much. The 4th quarter comebacks do attest to the coaching having confidence in his QB, but is it at the expense of playing conservative early? A la Singlenolan? Again, the argument can go both ways. Quick learning curve, gradual feeding of the O to Alex, attestations from Urban Meyer that Alex needs to fully digest the O to really shine . . . on and on.
    My thought when the draft was over was Alex would be given freer reign to go for it offensively. Gaining a speed guy in Moss and AJ, and a possession guy like MM should only help to open this offense up. It only seems logical that they would go this route by getting more team speed.
    We ain’t going spread all the time, trhrowin 45-50 times a game. Nor do we need to. I still think they will open shit up earlier to get the jump on teams.
    Crabs? Improve or get cut. Pluck him. He’s fallen down the depth chart until he can prove himself better than the prima donna he appears to be.
    Smith’s limitations? He needs to make quicker decisions. Too many early check-downs. Trying to do too much with a bad/busted play (I will say, marked improvement there last year). Offensively, the problems are obvious. Too many stalled drives. Too many 3 and outs. Red zone woes. Again. Is it the O? The QB? The coach?
    Stay tuned Niner fans . . .

  100. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    So your joining me and NJ on the fence Unca?

    Nice post Grumpy

  101. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I was at the Seattle game, thank God for Ted Ginn Jr is all I can say.

  102. robNo Gravatar says:

    12th man !

    good to see dashon is ready to go !


  103. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Alex had the 2nd best red zone rating of all QBs for the 2 years prior to Harbaugh. I think it is Harbaugh that needs to improve in this area.

  104. robNo Gravatar says:


    ginn put the game on away … but we were on our way to a win regardless imo !

  105. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Or maybe the WRs did not know the playbook. It is now established they weren’t paying very good attention. That would have a lot to do with bad 3rd down conversions and quick check downs.

  106. robNo Gravatar says:

    anybody here see last year’s big niners saints matchup ?

  107. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Rob, re Seattle game. Maybe so but momentum had swung their way in the 4th qtr and we were all nervous in the section I was in and the stick had gone quiet until Ginn knocked it out the park.

    Set us off on the right foot for the year.

  108. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Didn’t get to the NO game unfortunately but wish I had, heck of a win.

  109. robNo Gravatar says:


    right on !

  110. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I would rather have 17 TDs and 6 INTS than 35 TDs and 25 INTs. Even better would be some numbers more in the middle though: 22-28 TDs, 9-12 INTs. That should be Alex’s goal this year.

  111. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What I remember about that Seahawk game is wanting the coach to open it up. Seattle pulled to within a TD and we finally opened it up a bit but only got a FG. Then Seattle pulls to within 2 or 3 and Ginn runs 2 kicks back. What I remember even more was a lot of drive killing penalties. We had about 10 penalties that game.

  112. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Sounds about right Berger, the O line played poorly, not as a unit.

  113. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy, INT’s are a by product of aggressive play. If he can be just a bit more aggressive and manage to keep the INT down we will be in good shape.

    Lucky for us we have that amazing D and special teams to keep us in the game even with an INT or 2.

  114. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy- I doubt Alex has goals are related to TDs and ints. He seems more of a win total goal oriented QB to me. More specifically, how to win the upcoming game.

  115. robNo Gravatar says:


    we beat new orleans and a top 3 QB in brees last year 36-32 !

  116. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    our D was incredible for 60 mins in that game. Brees had little time and few opportunities to make plays.

    Alex was outstanding those last 2 drives, and VD was a monster. NO should never have played him in man coverage, it cost them the game.

    That was a landmark win for our team. We lost to the Giants but just barely. It proved we can play with anybody and if we had beat the Giants I’m confident we would have won our 6th.

  117. robNo Gravatar says:

    36- 32

    we win

    smith wins in a shootout vs. brees !

    our defense was our defense

    it was 36-32 ]

    nuff said

  118. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    True Dat.

  119. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    And it was espys game of the year now too!

  120. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Ahhh, it won? Seeing how the ll Star ballotuing went, that’s not surprising.
    12th, Alex can be bad at times, decent for longer times, and great for stretches. Harbaugh has confidence in him. Enough to alter his game plan remains to be seen. Harbaugh DID lean hard on his defense last year.
    Pointing to the red zone acumen of Singletary is another misnomer. They may have been successful down there, but they didn’t GET down there near enough. In fact, points scored rose by something like 3.5 points per game under Harbaugh. Which pretty much equals a Green Akers FG. So there is room for improvement from the offense.

  121. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Unca, I get your point about the amount of times to the redzone and your right, but Berger has a valid point too. SingleNolan’s offense ( such as it was) which was almost the same QB,WR,TE,RB etc was far more efficient at scoring and i think that’s on Harbaugh coaches who seem too conservative down there. They need higher risk/reward plays instead of kicking field goals.

    I get that its better to have 3 than come away empty handed and depending on the score/time factors it is the right call to keep it tight, but not in every instance except when trying to come back late in the 4th.

    I hope to see more spread and other higher risk plays this year. Nothing crazy, but just enough to get some breathing room.

    All those comeback wins is cool but I’d rather be ahead in the 4th instead of do or die.

  122. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, yeah. Exactly. I’ve been railiing on that for years (the conservative shit from the last 2 guys). There’s no huge disparity in any of these viewpoints. No one here is completely pissed off that Smith is the guy going forward. Even Dennis. All parties play a part. The hope is everybody progresses, and the offense gets moving.
    The biggest problem is that they did SO well last year that we are instantly back into Super Bowl or bust mode. Yes, it’s good to be there, but then again, where they came from the years before was very fast. I remember Dennis saying he’d rather miss the playoff than lose in them. While that’s horseshit, there’s a grain of truth to the fact that the team wildly overachieved, and they could lose some ground. Then the hooraw starts anew . . .

  123. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We had better win it this year. Justin Smith is not getting any younger.

  124. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Statistically the differences between 2010 and 2012 aren’t that vast. Except for pts allowed and turnover ratio. Yards gained, points scored, and yards given up are pretty close.
    The point being, without all those turnovers this team would not have been nearly as successful as it was. Many games came down to last minute turnovers to seal the deal. I don’t think the niners will get that many turnovers again.
    Don’t get me wrong. I think the bend-but-break philosophy of Mike, Mike, and Manusky was flawed form the get-go. They never had enough pass rush to play that style of defense. Last year, the pass rush was the biggest difference in the emergence of a strong defense that wreaked havoc and created turnovers. I just don’t think there’s any possible way to sustain that big a turnover differencial.
    Which means the offense needs to pick up the slack in keeping the defense fresh and off the field.

  125. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    *2010 and 2011*

  126. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Couldn’t agree more Chuck, solid post.

  127. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17