Defense of the Realm

In the previous post, this knothole peeper suggested that the 49ers’ success or failure in 2011 depended on the improved performance of the defense, which finished 2010 ranked 16th in the league. This observation was immediately and viciously attacked by a surly igloominity who shall remain nameless. This distant cousin of our dear friend SomeTimidity suggested that the onus for success resided on the thrice broken shoulders of Alex Smith.

After visiting my shrink to patch up my wounded psyche, it occurred to me to look it up! The nice thing about looking things up is that you can announce data if it supports your view or simply fail to bring up the fact you looked it up if the data is not supportive. You might quickly discern by my bringing this up that it did and I can.

In the 2010 season, 8 of the top ten defensive teams made the playoffs. The only two who didn’t were the Bucs, a victim of tie breaker rules, and the Chargers, a victim of Norv Turner. However, of the top ten offensive teams, a full and decisive one half, or 5 to you math flunkers, did not make the playoffs. Of the five who did make the playoffs, three of them also had top ten defenses. The only two top ten offenses, without great defenses, who made the playoffs were the Eagles and the Colts, both squeaking in at 10-6.

The NFC West, of course, somehow defies gravity and the Seahawks made the playoffs despite being ranked 23rd on offense and 25th on defense. So there is hope in SF even if no improvement occurs on either side of the ball at all.

Statistically speaking the 49ers should have won the NFC West last year. There are several prominent citizens we can blame. If Nate Clements doesn’t fumble that interception at Atlanta, Niners win the division. If Smith hits that three yard pass to Moran Norris in Seattle, ditto. If Mike Singletary has a stroke and misses a game or two, muy bueno.

But classically speaking, which is a dead language in the Bay Area, you need to have a top ten defense to close out games more than you need a top ten offense to put them out of reach. Either of these is good to have, though, no doubt about it. Expecting the Niners to improve from 24th on offense to 10 is simply less realistic than hoping the defense goes from 16 to ten. And a tenth rated defense is more likely to get you into the playoffs than a tenth rated offense.

In addition, it truly was the defense that most failed the team last year. The offense fell from 18th to 24th, but the defense plummeted from 4th all the way down to 16th. The combined dismal efforts by both units, which had very nearly the same personnel, especially on defense, speaks volumes about the loss of faith the team had in Singletary and his stone age approach to modern football.

Stats schmatz, you might say, and I would too in a pinch. What might be more significant to the Niners success this year would be Matt Hasselbeck signing with the Titans. It wouldn’t hurt to see Sam Bradford break a shoulder, either. Not that we would stoop to such inglorious cravings, in better times, but playoff starvation does bad things to your value system. We’ll take anything that gets the team over that endlessly elusive hump-T-dumpster and back into the big top.

With that rambling preambling out of the way, I say the Niners should do some gambling in FA and get two premier players for the D. In previous seasons, the team was not one or two players away from being a contender, but rather needed to shore up the depth and build through the draft. At this point, however, an impact player or two might just vault the team into contention.

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  1. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah it’s the defense we gotta worry about; agree with your analysis above Skeebs. Da D let us down last year and it was a shocking testimony to the lack of coaching / leadership. What a revelation to find the kool-aid didn’t taste so sweet in the 3rd year. God I hated last year’s team performance! We know what we have on offense and what we can expect from a serious upgrade in game planning and management. But the defense, not so much. Hell I thought they would be a good D last year but no. And they weren’t a good team either. But the untimid will stick to their fixation on ONE player (UQB anyone?) as the whole reason we stunk. Yep sure it’s all on one guy’s head. Ha, I wished our problems were so limited…
    But I’m willing to endure the indignity of having my brain hammered by the usufruct of the short sighted as long as there is no permanent damage. /sarc I think

  2. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    I must have missed that post you referred to, none of the regulars would do such I think. Must have been V or spit I’m guessing. Futilitarians both.

  3. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I’m on board with that Skeebs. I think we need at least 3 good FA’s on the D this year. We already have some real quality players in PW, J.Smith, and some younger players with mounds of potential. I have a feeling we will have one of the best linebacking units in the league. If we can get some pressure from Aldon Smith we would be sitting fairly well. We need more speed in our backfield and a good NT.

  4. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    We could bring in the 1978 Steel Curtain Defense and until this team gets a quarterback, they ain’t going nowhere. Emphasis on the double negative.

  5. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I wonder if when the Niners travel, and the hotels give them usufruct of their rooms, do they obey the laws and not damage their property or do they go heavy metal band and tear the joint up? Luckily for the hotels the Niners leave right after the game for home. Considering our recent road record, there wouldn’t be a clean room east of the Mississippi.

  6. robNo Gravatar says:

    so since bill walsh handled montana’s first three years do you think we’re three years away from being a good team ?

  7. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, you can go fruct yourself. The problem with that theory, Skeebs, is that some other debacle would have surely taken the place of the Clements play to deny a later victory. In other words, Singletary would have hosed up a later win (say the Ram game that had the 40 yard prayer to Walker) to even the balance. If Smith wins the Atl game, maybe T Smith doesn’t get in to win the Ram game.
    Who the hell knows? The point being, even 2 years ago, the defense gave up a lot of yards, they did well keeping teams from scoring, though. Mainy because our defensive strategy was to give teams everything underneath. I think they tired out the opposing offenses with all their 15 play drives against us.
    You need to heed V, NoFear. This isn’t 1981.
    PF, see my above stuff. A lot of the reasons behind the poor defensive performance was the schemes these guys ran. They played it way too safe. Especially in the 4th quarter. I don’t know, but it seems to me the Niners lost about 8 games that they had 4th quarter leads in. SOME due to offensive ineptness, but also due to pulling back and going into their deep shell defensive coverage.

  8. robNo Gravatar says:

    CHUCK is right ! i thought singletary would attack on defense and we still looked like we were just waiting for things to happen !

  9. winderNo Gravatar says:

    dennis – Yeah, if I never see another A. Smith interview where he’s talking out the side of his mouth saying we just need to get better, I would be a happy camper. What’s the odds on Harbaugh bringing in a proven vet at QB this season?

  10. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    How about you stop being such a punk?

    If you’re a man, act like it. If not, try to fake it and maybe no one will notice.

  11. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hah hah, NoFear. Something you practice with sickening regularity. Touchy, aren’t we? But that’s the rub, eh? Wink wink.
    I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
    Your theories are all well and good, but it doesn’t deal with the fact that in the last 4 years, the team has lost a LOT of 4th quarter leads. In other words, the offense GAVE them the lead, and the D couldn’t hold them. The defense failed in many different circumstances because of their insistence to play it safe.
    In other words, you bend facts to make your theory work. Blame all the problems on the offense, and give the defense a pass.
    Here’s NoVear’s kicker. And Nolan/Singletary’s objective to a T:
    “Like it or not you must play to avoid the big play at all costs and force the opposing offense into many short plays and take advantage of mistakes that will always happen.”
    Will always happen? Really? If that was true, then the defense would be ranked much better, wouldn’t they? Why the hell did the defense give up 120 yards to Atl in the final 1:30, and still have time to burn to kick their game winning FG? A game in which the defense had held Atl to 13 points for 58:30. Or the NO game? Same deal. Did their offenses make mistakes? No. The Niners backed off the pressure, and were burned. That philosophy is the theory that if you don’t take risks, you will be rewarded in the end. Well, it didn’t work lo these past 5 seasons of Nolan/Singletary/Manusky blandness.
    But yeah, blame it on the offense.

  12. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Baalke just told Kawakami the Niners would not be big players in FA. Way to douse the enthusiasm of the fan base, Trent.

  13. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    This ought to make Rob feel real happy regarding his FA list. This just in from the big cheese himself, Baalke. “We’re not going to be major players in free agency.”

  14. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I got scooped in a matter of seconds? If it counts for anything, I posted it first over at Chuck’s place. I’ll take my cookie now.

  15. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    AS usual you sure can dish it but you can’t take it
    You need to grow up and just say it rather than hide behind innuendo.
    Why do you and V have this SCROTUM fixation? Always talking about balls and sacks and not in the football sense.

    The word is spelled LOSER and you own it.

  16. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s the TK interview with Baalke. The only concrete statement made by Baalke was that Harbaugh kicks his ass at racquetball.

  17. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck- Yeah the inept coaching/schemes extended to the defense, agree. If we ever see intelligent football again it is going to reveal just how far down this franchise sank in the last 10-12 years. Hold a lead in the 4th quarter? What’s that?
    I’m not awake enough to listen to Baalke say we have all the pieces right now. Really?

  18. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, the problem is, the Niners lost around 8 4th quarter leads last season. If the offense is so inept (which it was) why couldn’t the defense bail them out? Because they went into their version of the deep shell prevent defense.
    Great theory, but it doesn’t apply . . . .
    As to the ‘unnatural obsession’, look in the mirror, skippy.
    I ran that scumfructer off my blog, and I don’t post on the insider . . . You, it appears, are the only one who converses regularly with it.

  19. robNo Gravatar says:

    nofear is right too ! if you can’t get a lead , your defense is in trouble !

    i saw this on the insider
    ” How about you stop being such a punk?

    If you’re a man, act like it. If not, try to fake it and maybe no one will notice. ”


    nofear stirring up the insider !

  20. robNo Gravatar says:

    the real problem is that every year the 9ers have tons of money and nevr spend or sign any top free agents ! every year i hope to fill at least one spot and they come out and say the same thing !
    ” “We’re not going to be major players in free agency.”

    every year i cringe when i hear that and hope , with a few other people , that it’s because we’re just trying not to tip our hand !
    this time i’m getting really worried and hope we jump in and do something as soonas FA starts ! if we don’t we could be in big trouble !
    we don’t have many holes but the ones we do have are too important to not address ! dr. dork , nobrain and scottie never seemed to figure out what the most important positions are on a team ! we still need help at two of them D-line and CB !!!

  21. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The real problem, is that the 49ers cannot draft, cannot evaluate free agents, have no one in the Front Office who knows football, and until this year had no one who could coach.

    Okay, that’s four problems. Blow me.

    My point is, we suck. And moving from suckitude to being a good team again is going to be difficult, even with Harbaugh, because of the organizational nitwittery.

    So you either drink the Koolaid and believe we are one or two free agents away, or you mutter darkly and clean your gun while glaring at a pic of the Yorkies. WTF it’s another football season, nothing new here.

  22. robNo Gravatar says:

    i hope you can follow my last two posts !
    i meant the fun of throwing out a few good jabs is fine but to get to the important stuff we need help at two key spots !
    imho we are one big time D-lineman and maybe one top free agent CB away from being a good team !
    the big thing now is will the team get away from the john dork / mike nobrain / scottie way of keeping over ten mil in unspent money and not even trying to fill needs !

  23. robNo Gravatar says:

    grump , koolaid is for dennis !
    IMHO if you look at the team position by position , i can’t find too many real weak links ! the biggest problem for me is the key spots the big three dork/nobrain/scottie
    never seemed to think mattered much ! little things like passrusher , NT and CB !

  24. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Here are the spots we need help at Rob:
    QB1: Alex is not it.

    QB3: Kaep needs time, but we need someone better than Carr when Alex craps out.

    QB4: We needa PS project.

    FB1: Moron Norris must go.

    RB: Gore is getting into high mileage. Dixon has some skills but again, is unproven., as is the rookie.

    RG: Chilo either needs to step it up, or leave.

    C: Baas is probably a stopgap, not along term WCO solution.

    WR1: Crabs so far has been more talk than walk.

    WR2: Morgan is a good number three.

    DE: McDonald is not a proven NFL starter.

    NT: I really think Soap is a step down from Aubrayo.

    ILB2: Takeo cannot go forever, and Bowman has not proven squat.

    OLB1: manny is a nice 4-3 guy in a 3-4 org. Aldon is a rookie question mark.

    OLB2: Parys is nothing special. Brooks and the others have not proven anything.

    CB1: Clements is good in a compressed space. He cannot turn and burn with anyone any more.

    CB2: Spencer is getting old and has always been brittle.

    NB: None of the guys here has done much to impress anyone.

    SS: Taylor Mays is a great athlete who may or may not end up a good football player. Reggie Smith is nothing special.

    FS: Goldson is leaving.

    PK: Nedney is old and needs to be replaced sometime soon.

    What the hell though – we still have our MVP. Good old Andy Lee.

    Other than all that… we have a nice little team.

  25. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I’m gonna go stick my face in a fan.

  26. robNo Gravatar says:

    before i stick my head in …

    i like

    T staley
    G chilo
    C baas/heitmann
    G iupati
    T davis

    chilo was very raw when we took him and will be a good one imo ! baas was better than most of our 0-lineman last year and was a better prospect at center coming out of college ! heitmann is under-rated and might be EVEN better at G !

    i like our 0-line !

    crabs is going to be a true #1 WR imo and with morgan who i like we could use a speed guy added to the mix ! ginn is ok for one or two a game , but is too afraid of contact !

    OLB manny
    ILB willis
    ILB spikes/bowman
    OLB parys/brooks/aldon

    we’re fine here too
    at LB spikes/bowman will be ok for this year (i hope) . i like manny as a good all around LB ! parys vs. the run with brooks/aldon on passing downs !

    spencer is only 29 !

    are you sure there’s no way we can keep goldson ???

  27. robNo Gravatar says:

    my new crusade is to get the team to sign one or two free agents !

    we need one of the d-linemen i put up earlier and one of the CB’s !

  28. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A defense must play to win. We’ve played not to lose. If that is football 101 then cancel my classes, I do not want to learn that kind of idiocy.

  29. robNo Gravatar says:

    berger , if you want to learn idiocy , just read my posts !

  30. robNo Gravatar says:

    oh and GRUMP
    my twp free agent signings would stop these needs

    ” DE: McDonald is not a proven NFL starter.

    NT: I really think Soap is a step down from Aubrayo. ”

    and finish out our secondary !

    i’m pretty sure we have the cap room , now it’s on the front office !

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    PFT seems to think we will have a CBA handshake agreement within 48 hours.

  32. robNo Gravatar says:

    ok speaking of it here’s a question for everyone !

    how many states are in the U.S. ?


  33. robNo Gravatar says:

    great news on the CBA deal !

  34. robNo Gravatar says:

    wow i don’t know who Gregg Rosenthal is but i like his stuff here ! maybe i should start my own site !

  35. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    rob- According to Obama there are 57 states. It is recorded on video that O said he has not visited all 57 states yet.

  36. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It seems O thinks there are actually 60 states. In the video clip he says he’s been to 57 and has one more to go, but that doesn’t count Alaska and Hawaii!

  37. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Good news we hope Rob. I’m gonna bookmark that there PFT site to further my edumacation on these footsball topics. My God I’m hanging out with a bunch of educators.

  38. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    O was born in Hawaii or so he claims Bergs

  39. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    V seems to be missing you badly
    on SF Gate

    “SanFran, haven’t you noticed no Unca_chuck? What happened? I’ll tell you what happened even though it was a crazy bet on my part knowing how weak the NFC West is, he bet me that the 49ers were going to win the division.

    Need I remind you of what happened and who won?

    P.S. do you really want to see me waiting there wearing my Old Montana jersey, while a ten-year-old kid, with pimples and glasses, shows up on a Two Wheeled Razor Cruiser Scooter, wearing a pink Steve Young number 8, baby doll tee?

    It would be lights out for him in three seconds! the only problem is I would still have to deal with his Clones Bullit and Wong and hundred more Circus Clowns who act just like them.”

    V feeling badass behind his keyboard

  40. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    One thing that is apodictic is V is going to repeat himself for eternity. But he does like good blues and 49ers, which makes him OK in my book!

  41. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    You want apodictic? I’ll give you apodictic. It only stands to reason and cannot be contested based upon his past performances, that A*** S**** will suck ass once again this year.

  42. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    And he’s the 49ers #1 FA priority. I have to laugh to hold back the tears.

  43. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    You really want to get into misquotes, Berger?
    And really, PF, still holding out on the birther deal? Christ. Obama’s a fricking alien from Tralfamador, right?.
    You know what’s funny is Reagan had no problem raising taxes on the wealthy when it was warranted.

  44. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    If he’s the holy grail of presidents, why the resistance for the wealthy few to take on a little more of the debt burden?

  45. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- Because when you try to put the tax burden on the wealthy they just put their money in tax deferred shelters and bring it out when it costs less to use it, therefore making less money available for stimulating growth until you tax them less. IOW, less jobs for now.
    The Democrats have absolutely no concept of this. Or maybe they do but have worried that doing the right thing will get them voted out by the people that keep voting more entitlements for themselves. The masses are not smart and the Dems know this. They are just catering to the idiots that are drying up our country. And the Dems don’t care as long as they get to have power and money. They get high on the either of power and money and the addiction makes it so they can’t seem to find the fortitude to do the right thing.
    If you want the money of the wealthy it makes sense to give them incentives to use it, like job creation by “evil” businesses instead of by the Democrats “trusted” government.

  46. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I noticed your hero Obama made a comment similar to “what would Jesus do” except he used Ronald Reagan. He said “would Reagan be sitting here”, just two days ago. Your hero Obama apparently thinks highly of Reagan.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    You see Unca, when you try to take to much, people don’t play. Ask the players in the NFL. That is happening this very moment.
    You give the wealthy a break and they spend money on business growth, which in turn creates jobs. Now you have more people on the tax roll, not collecting unemployment. This is how to make money as a government. It is a proven fact, time and again. But it goes against socialistic agendas. You will never admit this because you are a socialist. I understand.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Talking politics and the slippery slope.

    To me what is wrong with closing a tax loophole? A loophole is basically the hole in the fence
    that allows you to avoid paying
    your fair share.

    Face it big companies have put the fear of getting canned in their employees and have downsized
    asking employees to “multitask”
    which we all know means do your job and part of Ted’s who we had to let go. It is ugly the degree
    of additional work employees are taking on.
    I know some companies have cut their janitorial services and expect their employees to rotate that task and clean toliets. These are high tech office staff.
    Because of the job market they have no choice.
    When the staff can no longer keep up with the workload they hire temps to avoid paying benefits
    and you waste your time training them. That is how it is nowadays.
    All about profits period.

  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Vanity Fair had this to say about current distribution of wealth

    “It’s no use pretending that what has obviously happened has not in fact happened. The upper 1 percent of Americans are now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation’s income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, the top 1 percent control 40 percent. Their lot in life has improved considerably. Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were 12 percent and 33 percent. One response might be to celebrate the ingenuity and drive that brought good fortune to these people, and to contend that a rising tide lifts all boats. That response would be misguided. While the top 1 percent have seen their incomes rise 18 percent over the past decade, those in the middle have actually seen their incomes fall. For men with only high-school degrees, the decline has been precipitous—12 percent in the last quarter-century alone. All the growth in recent decades—and more—has gone to those at the top.”

    So you have the haves and the have nots. I am curious how many
    of the schlubs that post on this blog are haves. If you are congrats. I know I’m a have not.
    If you are look at history you also see what happens to nations and governments where the majority of the people are not doing so well.

  50. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Take Larry Ellison and Oracle as an example.
    In 2010 Ellison’s total compensation package was about $86 million
    Oracle took over Sun Microsytems
    and slashed 15,000 jobs and ousourced another 2500 overseas

    I don’t see Ellison creating any jobs. He’s looking for the next company he can takeover do the same.

    Your theory worked in the 70’s
    but companies have become so large and are beholden to shareholders and profit that the culture is not to grow but see
    a floundering company that was sucessful and swoop in and takeover and then gut it.

    Just look at banking. Look at all the mergers that have taken place.
    There are really no choices these days. 20 years ago you had a choice of 25 major banks. Now it seems to be less than five.
    Because of lack of competition they charge you whatever they want
    so you have to wonder is bigger better? Are you happy with your bank?

  51. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- So what do you do about it. Bitch? Or go get their money?
    They are smarter than you and I. If you want them to create jobs give them a reason.
    Why is this so hard to understand? Put yourself in their shoes. If you have the money and the government is trying to redistribute it, hide the money. When the government wants to play fair, redistribute it. We have the highest, or 2nd highest tax burden on businesses in the world. Add to that, we have some of the most meddlesome laws. Do you think that, or Bush, has more to do with companies going overseas? If you want their money, and if you want them to hire more people, quit playing politics with their money.
    All of the socialistic governments in Europe are going or have gone under. The system is not sustainable. Yet, the liberals can’t seem to cede their power and admit what is necessary for growth. In our country, if we continue what we are on pace for, the dollar will no longer be the worlds currency, and soon, and then gas will be $7.00 per gallon. The liberals want us to be like Europe, but Europe is regrouping and trying to be more like what we used to be, which is less meddlesome to businesses and lower corporate taxes. I know this kind of sound bite doesn’t get votes, but when the government can’t keep printing money because the dollar is no longer the standard, the people will cry for a Winston Churchill or a Ronald Reagan to save them.

  52. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    One last point. You posted you were living at a RV park in Sacramento conducting interviews for the next 4 months and not
    being able to afford better internet service because you were saving money for school.

    By chance do you work for Larry Ellison? 🙂

    Ok back to football talk, sorry to bore you with my soapbox talk.

  53. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If you want to talk about the banking industry, I was a mortgage banker. I’ve covered this too many times here. I’ll let you and Unca live in naivety about this subject. I don’t want to go there again, and again, and again, and again.
    It is the Democrats that destroyed the banking system with their corruption in Fannie Mae. Period, end of story. Bush warned us in his State of the Union speech in 2003 that this recession was coming because of the lack of regulations in Fannie Mae. The Dems blocked all attempts at reigning them in and now we are where Bush predicted we would be. Funny thing is the Dems blamed the Republicans. The press, being 90% Democrat, to protect their unions, went along with the lie. You, my friend, can believe what you want to believe, but that is the truth.

  54. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Vanity Fair? Liberal elitist clap trap . . .

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I ended up getting internet so I can sign up for classes. I passed on cable.
    One thing I am finding out in California, it is a classic case. The state is broke and has very high unemployment. But you can hardly hire an unemployed Californian because he/she makes so much money on unemployment. What is the incentive to work? Is this what you are advocating?
    One politician in Riverside wants to split the state because liberal politics is sapping the state of all of it’s money. It is a fact that when the people vote to much for themselves from the society they live in, the society fails and has to regroup. This is exactly what is happening in California.

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    BTW- This conversation started because Rob asked how many States we have. He then said we won’t get the answer. I put the Presidents comment up to see if that was what he was talking about. Then, Unca, in trying to protect his hero Obama, turned it political.

  57. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    According to PFT, the economics of the CBA are essentially done.

  58. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bush predicted flying to Mars and meeting aliens. Blah blah blah, Berger. It’s all about pointing fingers with you. Socialism? Where? Here? You had a full serving of hyperbole for breakfast I see. Both sides were culpable in the housing crash. And you know it, skippy. Bush as the knight errant? Please. He was a toady for big biz.
    No one is saying tax the wealthy an additional 25%. 2 fricking %.
    I’ll keep repeating this until it sinks in. The Republicans help up health care for the 9-11 first responders until Obama took the 2% (2% for God’s sake) tax hike off the table. So, all their talk of patriotism and heroism around 9-11 was nothing more than bullshit when they hold back the money for the heroes.
    Corporate taxes are too high. However, letting companies offshore headquarters (hello Halliburton) was not the way to solve this problem. Is 20% better than 0%? Sure. Bush’s idea? Go ahead! Take your money and run! Sure, your headquarters can be a PO Box in Switzerland. No prob.
    The problem with this country is the disconnect from Congress to the people they nominally serve. BOTH sides of the aisle. ALL THEY WANT once they get in is to STAY in. It isn’t about the people. It’s about corporate interests. It’s about PAC money. SIGs. Lobbyists. It’s about the gov’t overseers taking money, trips, and swag from the companies they are supposed to be overseeing. Hmmm, an offshore oil rig blew up? Millions of gallons of oil dumped into the Gulf of Mexico? Let’s give them an award for being the safest company out there. Only one accident!

  59. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    July 14th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    rob- According to Obama there are 57 states. It is recorded on video that O said he has not visited all 57 states yet.
    Wrong again, skippy.

  60. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Exactly! What was wrong about that?
    Is “Skippy” the word you use so you can be a typical condescending Democrat? You wear the label well. Every time I see you write that I think of condescending Democrats, which, of course, you are one.

  61. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right Berger. You think this is a dem/repub thing. Guess again . . .
    They’ve fooled you completely. Which is just how these folks like it. People are mushrooms. Keep ’em in the dark and feed ’em bullshit.
    NoFear too. Marxist oligarchy? Wow. Big talk that means absolutely nothing, sport. Obama is a politician. Just like all the rest. But, in your (Fox-colored) world, we should all be paying 75% of our income in taxes, and putting on blinders.
    Yeah, We’ll all be wearing turbans and burkhas in 5 months.
    You guys are so far into the bullshit yer eyes are brown.

  62. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I’m not sure what you just said?
    Anyway, I’m trying to work here. The confab was fun but I need to start concentrating a bit more now. I’ll talk to you guys tonight.

  63. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    You 2 guys are like the guy at the tea party rally with the sign reading “Keep the government out of my medicare!”
    Sadly misinformed about reality.
    Do you pay the firemen to put your house out? Or the cops when they patrol your meighborhood? Or the mailman to deliver your letters? Right. Socialism. This didn’t exist before 2008. Bush didn’t borrow trillions to wage 2 wars. Bush didn’t start the TARP bailoout. All Obama. Retroactive to 1998 because, well, just because.
    You guys are so far in the dark, you can’t find yer asses with either hand.

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    You forgot to call me Skippy!

  65. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Skippy is the word I use when addressing people in the dark. Of course you didn’t understand my post.
    Did you know that unemployment checks max out at $393 a week in Nev, and $440 a week in Cali? Of course you didn’t. Those $47 buck go a long way. But, yeah, those God-fearing Nevadians don’t collect umemployment. It’s a Califormia thing.
    As usual your assumptions are foolhardy and wrong.

  66. robNo Gravatar says:

    holy jeepers ! i asked a funny question and started a war !
    anybody want to answer yet ?
    how many states are there !
    the correct answer will come shortly !

  67. robNo Gravatar says:

    i want a Marxist oligarchy !

  68. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Obviously if you lived in the San Francisco Bay Area you would hind it hard to survive on the maximim unemployment $450 week when you were making $75k a year.

    I know a lot of professionals that got canned and have a hard time finding a job. You and NF are drawing the conclusion that people enjoy being on uemployment.
    That’s where you need to wake up.

  69. robNo Gravatar says:

    ok since you guys think it’s me being silly …
    there are 49 states !

  70. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I’m hiring entrepreneurial types. I don’t discriminate. I don’t care what your political leanings are. If you show an aptitude, integrity and a bit of start-up will I’ll train you. The ones on unemployment don’t seem to be much interested in what I’m offering even though they need a job. I have no problem with that, but it is what it is. I would imagine there are exceptions, I’m looking for a few.

  71. robNo Gravatar says:

    oops um chuck i’m not sure but think you might have been going back and forth with V for too long !
    “Do you pay the firemen to put your house out? Or the cops when they patrol your meighborhood? Or the mailman to deliver your letters? Right. Socialism. This didn’t exist before 2008.”

  72. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I made a statement that it is hard to hire people off of unemployment in California. According to Unca they are getting almost 2000 per month. Not bad considering that is net before filing income taxes. But if there was no unemployment the people would fight a lot harder to be employed. You disagree?
    I don’t disagree with having unemployment payments. I disagree with how much is spent on it. Basically, the amount X the length of time. But when you are a politician trying to get re-elected you do what you have to do to buy votes.

  73. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    rob- Call me Skippy because I’m not sure what he was getting at. Maybe he is the Skippy?
    Explain why only 49 states.

  74. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Depends on the job market. In the Bay Area the real unemployment is closer to 15%. These are not manual laborers but people that were making $60K plus a year.
    They can’t find a job that pays $40K a year.

    $1800/mo is the maximum for unemployment. If your rent is
    $1000/mo which is low, utilities
    $75, cell $75, internet & cable $100, insurance $100, that leaves you $300 to eat and drink for 30 days and you better hope you don’t have any other bills.

    It’s also a fallacy to believe that people will fight harder for jobs if they didn’t get the checks. Nope they would starve or
    resort to a life of crime.
    The stories I’ve heard, you have no idea how frustrating it is to look for work.

    NF’s comment of retiring on unemployment is ignorant and damn insensitive.
    Unemployment is not specific to a political party. It’s an American problem.

    Your unemployment compensation is based on your quarterly earnings going back one calender year.
    The unemployed that didn’t earn as much might be getting $120/wk.
    Try living on that.

    Not sure if you know what an expensive place the Bay Area is to live.

    The reality is jobs are scarce, at least around here.

  75. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    I’m against elites whether in politics, business or football. Patriots? Bah humbug, who needs ’em? (dennis) Democrats? Non-productive, debt growing fat cat elites surfing the ‘we’re gonna help the little guy’ gummint gravy train. Repubs? Slightly better elites who actually create jobs, wealth but who demand gummint favors to expand their hoped for mercantilist monopolies. “support our crappy bank which just cost the tax payer and average football fan 6 bahzillion bucks due to our crappy dumbass decisions to get sumthin fer nuthin. You see we’re too big to fail” My ass.
    There’s not a lot of difference when it comes to elites, power and control freaks, what have you. The difference is in results. Belichek vs Singletary. Wealth creators vs parasites. All will try to exploit the situation for their own personal benefit. Guaranteed.
    I’d like to see our team exploit the situation for their (and our) benefit. For once, for a change. That would feel great, like redemption from all these self-serving control freaks in football and all over the place. JMHO



  76. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- You bring up good points. Problem is your state doesn’t have enough money to pay out. What happens next? Banckruptcy? Fortunately, States are not allowed to do that yet.

  77. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, you going to homeless shelters to find call-center people? You can live on $1600 a month in Nev? And the fact that you looked at 20 people in one place must mean that everyone everywhere in the state must be living high on the hog through unemployment benefits. What salary are you offering these deadbeats?
    The difference between Nev and Ca in weekly payments is negligible. You make it sound like fat city.

  78. Unca ChuckNo Gravatar says:

    The state of Ca being out of money has many more reasons than unemployment bennies. They are under the same constraints lots of other states are. Pension payouts. Union contracts. And, yes unemployment. Hmmm, 2nd highest unemployment rate by state is Nevada. But those fine Nevadians don’t milk the system.

  79. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Wanna hear something gay? I mean literally gay? Governor Moonbeam just signed a bill that will force public schools to incorporate the historical contributions of the LGBT community. Unbelievable. The California Public School system is a goddamn joke to begin with. I know I’ve contributed a fair share of coin to their cause via the California Lottery, and for what? They’re churning out nothing but boobs, dolts and nincompoops. Thank Christ I was fortunate enough to attend parochial school. I still came out a big boob, but that’s beside the point.

  80. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I’m glad I could give you some perspective.
    I also hate welfare cheats. Those people on WIC which provides milk, juice and cereal for people with kids. In California they have to go througha detailed process at the checkstand. You go to the parking lot and they’re driving a brand new Mercedes.
    I get pissed at people milking the sysytem but a lot of people are in serious trouble.
    Another point I missed is they’re canning the senior people because they make more,people that have been loyal and working for the same company for 20 years.
    Imagine thinking you’re going to retire in a few years and you get canned 5 years short of Social Security. Going for that Walmart greeter job to bridge those years.

    I still don’t get the objections to closing tax loopholes.
    A loophole is a flaw in the tax code that allows a company to avoid paying what they owe.
    To me that’s legalized tax evasion. Just my 2 cents

  81. winderNo Gravatar says:

    You guys are too funny.

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Pro Football Talk is reporting the last major hurdle, the first refusal for free agents has been dropped by the owners.
    All that is left is what to do with the 2 lawsuits filed.

    Now the funny thing is the NFLPA
    will get recertified right after the CBA is approved. That was all a sham but everyone knew it.

    The lockout should be over after the owners and players vote next week on the new CBA

    Then we can really see where this team is going and prove Dennis wrong

  83. robNo Gravatar says:

    sorry but this got posted as a reply to me on the insider !

    WINDER ,you asked me the answer to the state question on the insider ! i guess now you see the answer i posted here !

  84. robNo Gravatar says:

    WINDER in case you didn’t see it here’s the answer to how many states there are
    49 !

  85. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- Hi Skippy. Reading your posts make me think you are the ultimate Skippy. If your definition of Skippy is somebody in the dark, I’ve never heard anybody more in the dark than you, Skippy. This has been an informative day, Skippy.

  86. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skippy- What’s up Unca. You have a new handle. If you would pull your head out of your ass you would not be in the dark. You have my e-mail,, let’s do lunch, dutch. Skippy!

  87. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Old bar friend of mine and fellow Salesian brother, Steve, would call everybody “Sparky.” That’s because he was “sparked” 99% of the time and couldn’t remember anyone’s name and just used the generic “Sparky” to cover his ass. At any given time there could be upwards of twenty “Sparky’s” at the bar. “Hey, Sparky.” “How ya doin’, Sparky?” “Can I buy ya drink, Sparky?”

  88. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- You are a skilled debater when you choose to be, just like NF and me. In fact, I would say we are master debaters and cunning linguists, when we choose to be. Problem is we are mostly friends so we stray from our professionalism and chop. I have no problem with that. This is a good place to chop.
    You guys are great, even Skippy. The problem with this site is Skeebers is one of the best master debaters, but he holds back for some kind of middle ism. Skeebers is a Master Debater.

  89. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So if Unca is Skippy, does that make him dog food or peanut butter? I’m running a poll here. For the next 24 hours vote here that Unca/Skippy is dog food or peanut butter. In the end, Skeebers sends Unca/Skippy some dog food or peanut butter. I’ll contribute some.

  90. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NF- You forgot to vote. I’m voting Skippy is dog food.

  91. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NF- So you are saying the fish breath for Unca/Skippy is from the boat and not the ladies?

  92. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I just called my friend to tell him, Giants Win, Giants Win, Giants Win, ala Harry Caray. It sounded like I woke him up. I apologized for waking him up. No problem. He told me the phone woke him up!

  93. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It is finally starting to disappoint me that I can’t shake the house with my stereo. How long can I survive this tragedy? I feel like Skippy, totally in the dark.

  94. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    I think Dennis’s motto for the Forty Niners should be:
    “I used to miss them but now my aim is better”
    Sorry, saw that down in the big city today

  95. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I’m not much of a debater, Berg. I would say I was more of a clever asshole than anything else. I try to keep that evil twin in the basement here because I’m in a host role. I’d prefer if people don’t want to comment here it’s because you are an asshole, instead of me. If I need to get my own fix, I have to go to the Gate and lob some grenades there. It’s fun, no doubt about it.

  96. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If you think about it, you might be tempted to say that the vast majority of people in the blogosphere are assholes, more or less. The blogs are like flypaper to people sick of living in a PC world.

  97. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Hey, Dennis. I went to three different private schools myself. All of them boys only. My parents were trying to straighten me out. It failed, obviously.

  98. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of people who’ve failed, A*** S**** is an abject failure. Period. End of story.

  99. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, when I went to Salesian it was boys only as well, Skeebers. About 10 years after I left they had to stoop down and admit girls to help with the revenue. My graduating class was only about 90. I had a few classroom sizes under 20. Those days are long gone…

  100. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of abject, how about Unca/Skippy’s political views? Hey, let’s all go broke and let China take over, right?

  101. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s what triggered the near settlement. The players had their own slush fund where each player would get $200K each if there was no season. Interesting read

  102. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, in Berger’s world, the right is a shining example of righteousness and good. Democrats are slobbering homos looking to rape and pillage across the country. And I’m the one in the dark. How naive are you? Well, that pretty obvious. You really think there’s a difference?
    It’s rigged game, skippy. You think there’s a fundamental difference between the dems and the republicans. How very quaint. They are playing you like a fiddle, pal. You are blind to it all. Drop your knee-jerk socialism oligarchy words like it means something. All sound and fury signifying nothing. Meanwhile the rich get richer and the middle class gets harder pressed to stay afloat. Corporate profits (and bonuses) soar, upper management salaries escalate to epic levels while the rank and file get the short end of the stick. Trickle down, right?
    Do you think the fact that the supreme court allowing unlimited corporate contributions to political campaigns helps the people make dilligent choices? Right. It’s all about keeping the messes misinformed. The media reports on nothing, and the smoke and mirrors game goes on.
    Thanks for playing along.

  103. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I don’t agree that the players 200K insurance triggered a deal. There are too many triggers and situations that rendered that deal almost worthless IMO. First, they wouldn’t get paid until after the season would’ve been over. Then it only triggers if they win the owners TV slush fund suit. Yeah, they would win that in Minn but the 8th circuit would probably reverse that. Also, do they really get 200K?. Those would seem to be be very expensive premiums, who pays them and how?
    IMO, the reason the deal got done is the players decided to come back to the bargaining table. In the process, two events were more significant than all the others. First, the owners won the lockout case in the 8th circuit, giving them the leverage for now. Second, the players reached a deal with their lawyers for a flat fee, no matter how long the bargaining took. The second point was the biggest part IMO.

  104. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks for the update Skippy. Question, peanut butter or dog food?

  105. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    On the subject of unemployment
    my wife and I had dinner with one of our uemployed friends last night.
    She was a manager at a softwear
    company making over $100k a year.
    She has an MBA and had been with that company for 12 years.
    When I told her the comments made on this blog she was infuriated.
    She said she had worked very hard to get to where she was and then had the rug pulled out from under her. Her boss lied to her and said she had nothing to worry about. She was laid off right before Christmas and has been looking since.
    She’s been looking for a similar
    position but companies know they don’t have to compensate qualified
    people so they are lowballing everyone in salary.She went to interview for a position that said they were paying $60k and in the interview they said they had qualified candidates that would
    accept $45K.
    She would gladly go back to work today and take a paycut of $40K
    but there’s just not anything out there. She’s been tapping into her nestegg to make ends meet.

    I would daresay that this story
    is true of half the people on unemployment. Professional people are driven and have a certain energy and are hungry for success.
    They work hard and play hard.
    It is so ignorant and very shortsighted to think some people are enjoying this. that would be a gross generalization.

  106. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I still haven’t heard your comments on tax loopholes.
    Let me frame it for you

    tax loophole definition

    “A provision in the laws governing taxation that allows people to reduce their taxes. The term has the connotation of an unintentional omission or obscurity in the law that allows the reduction of tax liability to a point below that intended by the framers of the law.”

    To me it’s like going to a restaurant and not getting the check. Can you just walk out without paying? If this keeps happening the restaurant will have to raise their prices on the menu and everyone suffers or else the restaurant will have to close their doors.

    Closing a loophole is not a new tax
    Help me understand why Republicans won’t even consider this? Somebody with good accountants and tax lawyers are manipulating the system IMHO.

  107. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- “The power to tax is the power to destroy.” -John Marshall
    So want my take on tax loopholes? Stop income tax altogether. It does nothing but corrupt. We should have a national sales tax, that way if you are rich and buy more, you pay more tax. If you are poor, you pay much less, or nothing.
    I personally had a one on one debate with Steve Forbes about this subject one day when I just happened to run in to him while he was campaigning for President. His idea was the flat tax, mine was a national sales tax. I would prefer a flat tax over what we presently have.
    Are you saying Republicans want loopholes and Democrats don’t? That is the epitome of naivety.
    I have said this over and over again, I am no fan of Republicans but I am absolutely an anti Democrat. I tend to lean with the Libertarian party. I am registered as a Republican only because I hate the Democrats so much.

  108. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I was a mortgage banker when the Democrats destroyed that industry. I went from a very good income to nothing in no time flat. Let me be clear, zero income and no industry to reapply with. I had to change industries, worked for less money than unemployment paid and got back on my feet agian. Why do you people keep crying about this. Tell your friend to take a 40K job and keep looking for a better one. Your friend should be upset, at herself. It was a lot worse for me and you don’t hear me crying. I’m even going back to college in my 50’s to help me improve in my new industry. Some people cry, some people take action. Your friend and you cry.

  109. robNo Gravatar says:

    i guess i’ll have to throw in some political stuff too !

    1. unemployment is a bummer ! unemployment compensation is only good if you don’t have a job !

    2. tax loopholes are bad if you’re trying to collect taxes ! loopholes are’nt so bad if your taxes are too high and you want to save money !

    3. there is a fundamental difference between the dems and the republicans !
    the dems say they’re going to raise taxes and spend money … and they do !
    the repubs say they’ll never raise taxes or spend money … and they do !
    that’s why i go for the repubs more ! at least they say they won’t do it , so i think maybe we have a little chance with them of not going further down the road we’re heading now !

    4. the right is a shining example of righteousness and good. Democrats are slobbering homos looking to rape and pillage across the country.

    5.i want a Marxist oligarchy !

  110. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I just looked up oligarchy. What a great word to describe Democrats, especially their health care plan. Good job NoFear!

  111. robNo Gravatar says:

    yippey skippey ! the pre -season might be ready to start soon and it looks like we’ll have a full year of football !

  112. robNo Gravatar says:

    way to describe the dems healthcare plan …
    ” goverment health care plan ”
    way to describe dems healthcare plan in the middle of this economic mess …

    ” a horrible idea ” !

  113. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Great job DeLuca, you post your phone number and it is disconnected. What gives?

  114. robNo Gravatar says:

    try that phone again skippy !

  115. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Still not working Skippy.

  116. robNo Gravatar says:

    awh fudge i think i screwed up again !
    i’ll have to send a different no. to your e-mail !

  117. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- And the Libertarians want less government than even the Republicans. I like that party.

  118. winderNo Gravatar says:

    What A load. Politics and religion is all about power. I’m right and your wrong. The only way to keep any of it in check is to not let anyone, or group get too carried away. There are too many people on this planet and not enough resources. What needs to be done? I dunno, but I think if people didn’t take more than they gave this would be a much better place. Greed and hatred abound on both sides Thank God for the NRA.

  119. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry for my little rant there. I should be getting ready for some football.

  120. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    winder- It was a good rant! Chop, chop. Everybody here is entitled to have their own opinion. Even though I would disagree at times, I wouldn’t tell anyone to shut up.

  121. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    No, you would not tell anyone to shut up. But you would, however, leave 14 messages on their phone screaming and yelling “José Guillén,” “José Guillén,” “José Guillén,” “José Guillén,” “José Guillén” over and over and over again.
    I’d rather have you tell me to shut up.

  122. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You need a serious reality check if you have the idea that everybody in IT is rich and overcompensated. How naive can one be? Too many soundbites and talking points?
    Given your mindset everything you write on the topic is absurd.

  123. robNo Gravatar says:

    shut up dennis !

  124. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Why is it that Bush enacted some of the largest govt growing programs then NoFear? How is dictating abortion policies less government intrusion? The Terry Schiavo crap is less intrusion? let’s rewrite the constitution because of her. Yeah, the constitution is a set of guidelines to be manipulated at a whim.
    You guys have a serious disconnect between what the right says, and what the right does.
    They only grow government when it suits their pocketbooks. No child left behind was a monstrous clusterf&ck of epic proportions. It grew the bureaucracies in a big way.

    The drugs for seniors program was a boondoggle that was enacted solely to give outgoing congressmen fat jobs at pharma companies.

    Less intrusion? Smaller government? Hardly. Why no uproar over that? The patriot act? There’s an example of the government WAY overstepping it’s boundaries. But hey, it’s cool.

  125. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    At least be consistent. When Bush grow the gov’t, it’s fine. When Obama does it, he’s a socialist.
    Bush was creating a totalitarian police state by eavesdropping on citizens and intercepting/tracking online traffic. But that’s cool. It’s the Patriot act.Give it a cool name, and hey I’m on board. Obama stepped over the line by killing OBL without the correct permissions. He did it to deflect from the birther thing. Got it. Yeah, he should be impeached. Bush should be commended for driving a misinformation campaign to go to Iraq.
    Consistency, people. If you are so against dems growing the gov’t, then place a ton of blame at the feet of the Bushes for 1000 points of light and no child left behind.

  126. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I am in the industry and am not grossly overpaid. Every in Silicon Valley is like most every company in the US. The executives get rich and the grunts do a lot of the work for little compensation.
    Your wages are frozen because of the “downturn” and you are fed the line you are lucky to have a job.
    You assume too much.
    Why do I call you ignorant? It’s because of your earlier quip that people were retiring on unemployment. That is defintely ignorance on your part and now I’m sure you’ll come back with it was merely hyperbole or some other BS.

    Perhaps it’s your writing style that is filled with innuendo and leaves you an out when rebuked.

  127. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Didn’t Jose Guillen win a couple of games for us?

  128. robNo Gravatar says:

    CHUCK c’mon dude !
    ” Bush was creating a totalitarian police state ”
    NOFEAR still sugar coating it huh ? ” bullit, I’m sorry you’re not more successful, but it’s not my fault. ”
    don’t be so reserved !

  129. robNo Gravatar says:

    that was the problem with bush jr and the congress

    everybody had the same intelligence

  130. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Seems the Iraq war has turned into quite a success. Bush is a proven genius on this one.
    The Dems were complaining we should be in Afghan instead. OK you got what you asked for, now what?
    IIRC, no child left behind was a Ted Kennedy deal he worked out with Bush. It hasn’t been the success we were looking for but it is better than what we had. I guess unca Skippy thinks Ted Kennedy is an idiot.
    Bush was intercepting calls where one side was in foreign land. It was the Clintons who were eavesdropping on 100% domestic calls.
    I’ve always complained that Bush spent too much money. His spending was almost nil compared to Obama today.

  131. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It is starting to sound like on 7-22 teams will have 3 days to sign their own players before free agency signing starts on 7-25.

  132. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I wish I were more successful.
    At least I didn’t piss all my money away like you did.
    Guess when you talk about things it’s not whining evcen though you keep repeating yourself?

  133. unca chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Gee, NoFear. No child left behind grew the government. My point entirely. Not who voted it on. Bush’s deal. Bush grew the government. No complaints from you when a republican does it. Same with 1000 point of lightm the drug program. All these things grew the gov’t by a lot. So that makes Bush a socialist, right?
    Sorry you don’t see this.
    Again, the information they used to pass the Iraq vote was rigged. Jesus. It’s not that everyone voted to go in, it was that the administration cherry picked what they wanted to get it through. Why did Colin Powell resign? He felt he was misled by the administration. Valerie Plame? Yellow cake uranium? Ring a bell? The tool that gave them the location of the chemical weapons site was lying to gain asylum. These aren’t stories. These are facts. THese are lies.
    And you wonder why I question everything out of you. Yer a mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch.

    Iraq is a success? Sure. For Al Quieda. They got thousands of recruits and got the US to spend trillions on a pointless escapade that cost too many US lives. Cheney was right about Iraq in 1994. Right? Everything he said in 1994 came to pass.

  134. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    uncaSkippy- You are so misinformed it is laughable.
    Valerie Plame was outed by her own office. A reporter (Robert Novak?) called her office and asked if she worked there, they told him yes. Nobody in Bush’s cabinet was found to have done anything out of line except Scooter Libby, and that was for giving wrong info to the Grand Jury, not outing anyone. It was also well known that Joe Wilson, Plame’s husband, would introduce Valerie at parties as his spy wife. You are trying so hard to make any Republican, especially Bush, look bad that you can’t see the forest through the trees. I think the yellow cake could be your brain on liberalism, Skippy.

  135. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    UncaSkippy- To say the Iraq vote in congress was rigged is so laughable it makes you look like you are in complete darkness, Skippy. Anybody who did not know what they were voting for should not be trusted to run this country. What a joke. If what you are saying is true, that the vote was rigged; please tell me how. This should be good.

  136. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Libby was convicted of the following
    “Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame’s identity and whom he told. Prosecutors said he learned about Plame from Cheney and others, discussed her name with reporters and, fearing prosecution, made up a story to make those discussions seem innocuous.”

    Libby was the leak and that how Novak knew and was poking around to confirm.

    Bush before he left office did not pardon Libby but instead commuted his sentence, sparing Libby the jail time. This in itself is very telling and the following is from Bush’s book.

    “George W. Bush’s memoir, “Decision Points,” is full of newsy tidbits, and there’s a lot of material about his relationship with his vice president, Dick Cheney, whom Bush considered dumping from the 2004 ticket.

    In the book, which hits bookstore shelves on Tuesday, Bush describes how upset Cheney was at him for his refusal to give a full pardon to Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the senior Cheney aide who got caught up in the Valerie Plame scandal and who in 2007 was convicted and sentenced to 30 years in prison.

    Bush commuted the sentence, but refused entreaties to give Libby a full pardon.

    Bush writes that in the closing days of his time in the White House in early 2009, Cheney pressed his case that Libby should be pardoned, and was angry when Bush refused.

    “I can’t believe you’re going to leave a soldier on the battlefield,” Cheney told Bush.

    “The comment stung,” Bush writes. “I had never seen Dick like this, or even close to this. I worried that the friendship we had built was about to be severely strained, at best

    These are the facts that even Fox News published. Libby was convicted of 4 felonies and that is a big deal.

  137. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Please view this and tell me what you think

  138. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The fact that the Dems are still holding on to the Plame case shows how much the Dems trust the media. No one was found to have outed Plame except her office and her husband. Libby was not found to have outed anybody. You Dems should just keep hanging on to this one because it seems very important to you. It doesn’t matter to you Dems that you are 180 degrees wrong. This one seems to be a big one in Dem sewing circles.

  139. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    On the Bremmer thing, by hearing one side it doesn’t sound good for Bush. I’d like to hear the opposing point of view before telling you how I feel. War is hell and many can tell us the mistakes after the fact. Look at Rumsfield, he made many mistakes.
    The Iraq situation is a lot deeper than anybody realizes. Winning the War of Iraq was not hard. Winning the Battle of Iraq in the War on Terrorism was difficult. Not to mention, just like Germany and Japan, winning the war is one thing, winning the peace is another.
    There is a saying that says all that ends well is well. Historians can nitpick the Iraqi War so that we don’t repeat the same mistakes twice, but the war has been won and that is the most important item at hand.
    My question to you is, before Bush left office he had a draw down plan. The troop level there is much higher than Bush’s schedule. How come Obama is not getting those troops out faster?

  140. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Reverse the situation. If we we invaded by a foreign power and you were in the military and allowed to go home with all your weapons and had no way to earn a living, what would you do?
    It was a huge blunder of a decison made by non military people that didn’t know what the hell they were doing.
    So instead they started recruiting goat herders, grocery clerks and accountant’s and gave them weapons to be the police and soldiers. And you wonder why the new Iraqi army was so impotent and inept and got their asses kicked?
    Common sense says you cannot disperse a 500K strong army and let them keep their weapons and render them without an income.
    The very least you disarm them and confine them to their barracks
    so at least you know where they are.
    The video interviews the 2 colonels and the generals who were
    part of the transition in charge of the military portion.
    Just think about it.

    If you are interested here is more

  141. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    If you find the opposing point I’d like to hear it too.
    The videos I gave you were people interviewed who worked under the Bush administation and part of his Iraqi team.
    The reason Iraq came up here is because this conflict is a major
    contibuting factor to the economic mess we’re in now.

  142. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I’d like to stick A*** S****’s head in a vice and torque and squeeze that sucker until apple cider came out of his ears.

  143. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I do not believe the Iraqi situation is much of a contributing factor in our economic situation. We were spending billions of dollars for the Iraqi “Oil For Food Program”. That program was a farce. All it was doing is funneling money to Russia, Germany and France. In turn, those countries were conspiring against us to keep the pipeline of money coming. They were strengthening their alliance against us and IMO, that is a major contributing factor for why we went into Iraq. If that were to continue it would be much more costly today than the war itself. I doubt you’ll ever hear anybody but me say that.
    The one and only factor in the economy today was caused by corruption at Fannie Mae. Is your house worth more or less today than when the Democrats destroyed the housing market. That is the problem with the economy. Construction workers are collecting unemployment instead of working. Mortgage officers and RE agents had to switch industries. Companies selling drapes, carpet and furniture had to lay off in droves. This list of types of companies goes on and on. It seems, the government is bailing out anything that moves, and now it is actually trying to create jobs in the government instead of the private sector. This is a major recipe for disaster. More downturn to come with this kind of plan going on and ahead.
    BTW, according to Bloomberg, congress has allocated 1.2 trillion for the war and the Pentagon has spent 955 billion. The health care plan is more costly than that and Obama’s bail out was more costly. At least we can say most of Bush’s bail out money has been paid back.
    If you don’t like the mistakes we made in Iraq, what do you think of the biggest mistake being repeated in Afghanistan? Not enough troop levels. I say increase the troop levels there, fight to win, or pull out. What we are doing now is in between. We are hanging out, not fighting to win. Fight to win or go home, nothing in between. You complain about the mistakes in Iraq then repeat them.

  144. robNo Gravatar says:

    bullit , now your going unca chuck on us !
    ” Reverse the situation. If we we invaded by a foreign power and you were in the military and allowed to go home with all your weapons and had no way to earn a living, what would you do? ”
    ummm if saddam hussein were your leader , you would kiss the butt of the foreign power and thank them profusely ! the next thing you would do is join the iraqi defense and police force ! they need help !

  145. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    When Obama took office there were 32K troops in Afghanistan.
    He increased it to 100K troops at the request of Gen Petraeus.
    I have no idea where you are getting your info? Check it out.
    From CNN
    “There were 32,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan when Obama took office on January 20, 2009. He quickly doubled down on the Bush counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency strategy and increased that number to the current 100,000”

    The problem with Afghanistan is the enemy is in Pakistan and we aren’t allowed to cross the border.

    Anyway good to discuss this but we should go back to football where maybe we can agree on something

  146. robNo Gravatar says:

    right , the troop level would be 70,000 after we pull some out ! the question is how many do we need (and if we should stay at all)!

  147. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I’d rather have four more years of Obama than one more year of A*** S****. That should tell you everything.

  148. robNo Gravatar says:

    i mean
    A) how many troops do we need there
    B) should we continue the ‘war’ there at all

  149. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I know they increased the troop levels after we won the Iraqi war. There has been much criticism that we did not go big enough. I’m of that group. Fight to win or go home. What the people in Afghanistan understand is force. Torque their ass and then help them rebuild if they want the help. Just like Japan and Germany.
    Pakistan is another problem. Why are we capitulating to their demands when we are giving them lots of money for their assistance. Then they harbor OBL. Good for BHO for going after OBL(or is it UBL?). If we attacked the Taliban and Al Qaeda inside their border what are they going to do? Nothing. And if they do India would love to help us kick their ass. We were attacked by those savages who regularly beat their women, we have the right to defend ourselves. Like Bush said, you are either with us or against us. Quit being timid, it just gets attacked more often.

  150. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    If the mission is to exterminate the terrorists you just really need special forces and drones.
    If the Afghan people don’t appreciate you there is no point in sticking around. Kill the terrorists/the terrorist infrastructure and come home.

    The hard part is also the solution. If Pakistan allows the US to pursue across the border this can be wrapped up in 6 months.The fact that they don’t is making this 100 times more difficult.

    Look at Vietnam. We pulled out
    and everything worked out. We were supporting a corrupt regime back then.

    You’ve heard it said. Never fight a land war in Asia. It’s hard to win.

    Just my 2 cents since you asked.

  151. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Oops- That last line should read, ‘it just gets us attacked more often’.

  152. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- On your last post, it seems we agree that we should fight to win or go home. I have no problem pulling out of there if we are just policing.

  153. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I just saw your post on Iraq and this is what I think.

    If you watch the video they did a de-Baathafication meaning you couldn’t get a job with the militery or the police as you were considered the enemy and persona non grata.
    So a foreign power comes into the US and denys you the right to work even if you pledge loyalty
    to the new government. The video
    has the US Colonel saying the Iraqi commander had a full regiment asking to help police and they were refused. So all these armed men dispersed and did what they had to to survive and feed their families.

    This blunder created an armed
    insurgent force that shouldn’t have been. When you win a war you don’t execute the enemy, just the commanders that gave prders for criminal acts.

    The mistake added 5 years to the hostilities. Hopefully we learn from this as we didn’t from Vietnam and not relive the same mistakes.

  154. robNo Gravatar says:

    we made a lot of mistakes after we took out saddam ! i think iraq is going to be ok and hope we keep going after the al-kaida (sp?) terrorists . the problem now is afghanistan ! the taliban can’t be allowed to take over again , that should be our main concern !

  155. robNo Gravatar says:

    BULLIT !
    just as an fyi
    i thought at the time we needed to get the iraqi forces up to strength asap ! no reason the ex-baath guys couldn’t be given radios and some pistols for self defense and worked in conjunction with us and new iraqi military units !
    the powers that beget a collective DURRR for that ! maybe nofear was right when he said

    ” going into the war … bush and the dems in congress all had the same intelligence ”
    as in not too much of it !

  156. robNo Gravatar says:

    maybe monday we’ll get a new labor deal so our season can get started !

  157. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t want our season to get started. When our season gets started, that means A*** S**** gets started. I’m in no hurry. Take your time.

  158. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- You are making some big time biased assumptions from that one video. The Ba’ath’s were in power under Sadaam and abused the power like few in history. They still had money and power, including influence over many. I have no problem breaking up that monopoly.
    Just because you found a video that punks Bush does it make it so. I don’t think a deBa’athification was necessarily a bad thing. I’m surprised you didn’t go Michael Moorer on us with one of his videos.

  159. robNo Gravatar says:

    cut it out ! you’re making me want to give up if we don’t sign any free agents ! at least let me go until game 5 or 6 to before i have to bust out the hard liquor and turn gameday into just an excuse to get hammered !
    i was just taking a shot at bush jr. and the dems for not being the brightest of bulbs ! my 1:12 post tells one reason why !
    micheal moore did a very funny documentary called ‘roger and me’!
    it’s a favorite of mine !

  160. robNo Gravatar says:

    i was going to say that i really have to start reading my stuff before i hit the submit post button ! my 1:12 post and a few others are pretty hard to decipher ! but i found another gem on the insider …
    ” Reality isn’t any hope at all, reality is knowing if ones going to have belief in the first place some kind of substance, actions and personnel changes are taken for a person to believe.”

  161. robNo Gravatar says:

    “These very people you find yourself agreeing with are the very people who don’t want to hear about our glorious past because what they find them selves now believing in is what they like to feel is the way things are usually done.”

  162. robNo Gravatar says:

    we should help skeebs get to 200 comments !
    oh , and too bad for the U.S girls but good for japan and i jope this helps a little after the disasters they’re trying to get through !

  163. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    “I’ll be turning 50 in a week”. Shit get your story straight Prez! This guy has no credibility, would help if you lay off the weed man. Early indication of lack of belief = ‘was he really born where he says he was??” What does O believe in besides more gummint power? No one knows as it changes daily:
    Obama’s Senior Moment: ‘I’ll be turning 50 in a week.’
    July 15, 2011 3:38 PM
    Actually…he’ll be turning 50 in three weeks. His birthday is August 4, two days after the debt ceiling deadline. Senior moment?

  164. robNo Gravatar says:

    you’re getting as bad as delmardennis ! now i’m not only getting scared about our season , i’m not too sure about the government either !
    thanks guys , it’s been a pleasant sunday !

  165. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Phil- O doesn’t need to know when his birthday is, he’s a Democrat. The only way everybody finds out he doesn’t know is if he is a Republican. Then it is all over the news.

  166. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Lol, yeah I tried to resist but finally cracked under the weight of all this fun you been having. I’m just trying to help Rob out in taking his mind off the upcoming season which should be a loo-loo. Nothing beats sports as entertainment except maybe watching the rudderless ship of state flounder on the shoals on the shoals of bankruptcy.
    All will be forgiven if our boys can pull out a decent season though. I wonder if humans can live on a steady diet of…coconuts?

  167. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Assuming the economy turns further to shit coconuts may be the main course over here…

  168. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Rob, you got a headache now? DO NOT watch the vid link NF posted above. Yep scary stuff. Sad really to think what’s going on.
    Dennis is looking more like a voice of reason and tranquility every minute!

  169. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    rob- Your ph# is still not working.

  170. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    NF, the rise of China is pushing Vietnam to make nice with us. Latest rumor in Aviation Week is that Vietnam would like to buy some used P-3 Orions to keep tabs on Chinese SSNs. They will even base them at Cam Rahn Bay, where we operated them in the war. Funny G-D-d world.

  171. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy- P-3’s? Really? What, are they looking for submarines?

  172. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    please provide me published or visual evidence that you think rebukes what I have stated.
    Col Paul Hughes, Gen Jay Garner,
    Gen David Mckiernan, Gen John Abizaid, Col Lawrence Wilkerson and Undersecretary Richard Armiitage all worked under the Bush Administration and they have all been interviewed on camera to come to these conclusions. Five career military officers basically telling the way it happened.
    If you can provide evidence I welcome it and would like to see it.

  173. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I said deBa’athification was not necessarily bad. What does that have to do with what they said. It is like getting rid of Hitlers party, that was a good thing. You agree or disagree with that? I did not say deBa’athification was good or bad. I said it was not necessarily bad. I will stick to that until I know more. Maybe the idea was good and the implementation was bad? I will not form an opinion based on one producer who probably has an agenda. It has alerted me to a situation but I am not sold yet that it was bad. I do know it was the Ba’aths that created most of the havoc from the suicide bombings in the region. Are you defending them?

  174. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- Speaking of mistakes during war time, why is your party repeating one of the major Rumsfield mistakes of the Iraq war? 100,00 troops is not enough. Increase the level to over 150,000 or get out.

  175. robNo Gravatar says:

    thx for all the posts at me guys ! gotta go soon ! it’s getting a little late here and i have to get up in the A.M.
    i might even have a little work coming up ! now i can stop pissing berger off by getting a job AND getting more time on my phone too !

  176. robNo Gravatar says:

    but first i have one thing to do !

  177. robNo Gravatar says:

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  178. robNo Gravatar says:


  179. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    rob- Next time you tell me you are geting a job please make sure I’m sitting first.

  180. robNo Gravatar says:

    i used up pretty much all of my savings before going on unemployment and have gone through 2 short term jobs since !
    one was telemarketing and one was at the mall !

  181. robNo Gravatar says:

    i’ll do anything for some cash , and work pretty much anywhere ! …

    i’m pretty shameless that way !

  182. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    Patton got seriously reprimanded after WWII in Germany for trying to keep some Nazi’s in official positions. Few months later he was dead in car crash. It’s always easier to say in hindsight what could have been better. What concerns me is the lack of foresight, lack of strategic planning and lack of understanding that there are consequences for lacking that and appearing weak. There is no PC war.

  183. Philippine FanNo Gravatar says:

    I looked over at Unca’s blog and know what? They are actually talking football when not ripping each other, lol

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