Virtually the Same

Well, that was a pretty weird draft for the 49ers. Fairly effective overall, but decidedly lacking in fan appeal.

There’s an old saying that if you aren’t getting better, you’re getting worse. In the Niner’s case, however, staying pretty much the same could be considered a triumph, I suppose.

The team lost Joe Staley, Emmanuel Sanders, and Deforest Buckner, but replaced them with Trent Williams, Brandon Aiyuk, and Javon Kinlaw. Net gain: salary cap relief. Net loss: TBD. They also traded Matt Breida and Marquise Goodwin, but neither player figured in their plans this coming year.

How everything plays out from here is anybody’s guess right now. My own belief is there will be a football season this year. The Niner FO certainly needs to act like that will be the case, which means we will, too.

As  Grumpy stated, this coming season will not be the golden ride last year’s was. With the new playoff format, the NFC West is unlikely to produce the number one seed this year, the only seed that earns a BYE week. The division competition will take its toll  on all four teams. No  team  in the NFC East is good enough to finish number one, either. Which leaves the North and South for the likely top dog.

As for now, we officially enter the Limbo Zone. No OTAs, no minicamp, no idea when the NFL will resume.

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67 comments on “Virtually the Same
  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    This is the time period where Ray McDonald, Bruce Miller, Aldon Smith and Ruben Foster would be the only news and it was bad.

    Maybe they can sign one more CB cheap. Logan Ryan is open to a one year deal as no takers so far on long term deal.

  2. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    From a reedkrase comment on NN,

    DB DeMarkus Acy – Acy’s 2018 season was phenomenal. He has the size and length to match up with WRs in the NFL. I think he’s got the best shot of making the roster simply because of the lack of depth at the position.

  3. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I really hope the NFL can pull off a season even if its a 12 gamer. I doubt it’s gonna happen though since less than 2% of the population has been tested(I think that # is correct). Just crossing my fingers the scientist’s can come up with something. Where I am at in Oregon we are getting more cases and deaths per day than any other time so far. And, the only way you get tested around here is if you go to the hospital, most people don’t want to do that.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kinda hard to ignore the elephant in the room that has led ALL OF US to the predicament we are in.

  5. winderNo Gravatar says:

    This is from chucks site. There is a good video of the QB from North Central on it. I think the kid might have a shot on the PS. I think he could mimic fast scrambling QB’s for our defense to practise against.

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/4/27/21237994/king-no-franchise-manager-of-a-playoff-team-had-a-better-weekend-than-lynch

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Right now the crazy thing is the unknown.

    You have to feel very sorry for high school kids who will not have their seasons if their schools are not in session.

    Pro football can be played in empty stadiums although it will be very strange.

    College football and all college sports will not happen unless the schools decide they need the revenue. Still it will be tough if the colleges are closed.

    Take away Joe Burrow’s senior season and it is said he would be a
    6th round pick instead of the 1st pick. If the season doesn’t happen
    it will turn the draft upside down.

    I wonder if things will even come close to the way we were. I hope so.

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    https://twitter.com/49ers/status/1254871659372134400?s=20

    Lots of YAC with Kittle and Deebo and now you add Aiyuk.

    Should be fun to watch.

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Right now the Niners are NFC favorites for the Super Bowl

    Post-draft odds to win Super Bowl

    Top favorites
    Chiefs 4-1
    Ravens 8-1
    49ers 8-1
    Bucs 12-1
    Saints 13-1
    Cowboys 13-1
    Seahawks 15-1
    Packers 16-1
    Eagles 20-1
    Patriots 25-1
    Colts 25-1

    Biggest longshots
    Panthers 125-1
    Redskins 150-1
    Jaguars 250-1

    Source: Caesars Sportsbook

  9. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The preamble to the draft was well done

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cdAYXxtuA0

  10. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    So, in December the USA establishes a Space Force (A space force is a military branch that conducts space warfare and space operations). Then, in the middle of a pandemic, the Pentagon suddenly and finally admits there are UFOs. Are they trying to scare the hell out of the citizens of the world? There’s weird shit coming our way, gents.

  11. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When you have infrastructure problems you don’t pump your limited funds to start a “Space Force” to combat satellite tech and aliens.
    Hard to imagine an economy booming with 26 million people unemployed and counting. Lot’s of things broken and too many unknowns.

    The unknowns are out of our control and as I have said we all are missing sports which is a great part of our lives.

  12. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    More on Acy has this guy reading same report as Grumpy.

    Apr 27, 2020 at 10:14 PM#12
    E-49er
    Veteran
    Posts: 4,791
    I thought I read somewhere he was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.going into the 2019 season. Couple of scouting reports I read said he has enough speed to stay on Top of routes but doesnt have great hip fluidity. Still with right coaching he may be a keeper.it would be great if he turns out to be really good because of our secondary situation after the 2020 season.

    https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/193948-demarkus-acy/

  13. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The Space Force is about satellites; both offensively and defensively. It has nothing to do with aliens.

    And jokes about Trump notwithstanding, it’s been coming for a while. A certain amount of work was done during the Obama administration as well.

    Fact: Both Russia and China have OPERATIONAL anti-satellite weapons that would be used in any major war. Japan, France, India and other countries have conducted tests of the concept.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a32008306/anti-satellite-weapons/

  14. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    This would be very welcome news if it holds up.

    April 21, 2020 01:12 PM
    49ers’ Weston Richburg: Recovery on track
    by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire

    Richburg (kneecap) hopes to be ready for training camp and to suit up Week 1, Nick Wagoner of ESPN.com reports.

    Richburg was placed on injured reserve Dec. 11 of last season. It was reported in mid-February that he expects to be ready for training camp and this news just confirms there have been no setbacks. He is projected to again start at center for the Niners if healthy.

  15. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    All joking aside, my basic point was why, after 70+ years of UFO denial, the Pentagon would suddenly admit they are real. Seems like an odd time to make such a dramatic reversal of policy.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy

    For me it’s all about priorities. I realize the space force was part of the Air Force which it could have remained.
    It seems frivolous to talk about missions to the moon and mars when you have so much economic turmoil and a lot of people trying to make ends meet.

    In college I took a course called Politics of National Security and our professor was a former Lt Colonel who arranged a field trip to Offutt AFB in Omaha home of the Strategic Air Command. We met their brass, got to tour the hardened control center, saw a SR71 Blackbird up close and also got to see Looking Glass, the plane that controls all the retaliatory bombers. Most interesting 2 days in Nebraska.

    Just looking for things to get back to normal and Space Force can be put on a back burner until then. I want to see football.

  17. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    ESPN thinks Pettis might be the odd man out in the 49er receiving corps

    “Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd will make the roster, leaving Pettis, Kendrick Bourne, Richie James, Trent Taylor and Travis Benjamin to compete for what would likely be a max of three jobs.

    Pettis fell out of favor with Kyle Shanahan last season, so he might be the odd man out, even if he is the most talented wideout of that bunch. He also is the most likely to return a midround pick via trade.”

    ESPN left out 7th rd pick Jennings

  18. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I think spending money on satellite defense is well spent money. We have to keep up with the world. We should actually be leaders in this kind of stuff. I would be perfectly happy if all the money for the wall went into satellite defense. If some of the 1%ers would let go of some money lots of problems could be solved. I hope there are space aliens cruising around up there.

  19. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When the decision if there will be a season or not the first consideration is trying to open the season without fans in the stands. For Pro Football this is a no brainer because different states will have different restrictions and they have to think outside the box for this season or just not play it.

    Of course it won’t be the same but for I’ll take it crowd free if necessary.

  20. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I imagine if there are no crowds every game will be televised. The owners got to get paid too. It will also bring out the already cheesey announcing to a brand new level.

  21. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I think they’ll plan on having no crowds and see how the situation plays out.

    At least there will be TV revenue and having a season allows for
    merchandising revenue.

    Once there’s a vaccine everything changes.

  22. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Acy was a good signing as an UDFA at CB.

    Another guy to keep your eye on is S Jared Mayden from Bama.

    Daniel Jerimiah had him rated as a 4th round pick,
    Lynch might have found one of those gems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRKrBED-XA

  23. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    One take on Mayden:

    PROS: Very experienced defensive back who has a background at nearly every position on the back end. Started his career as an outside cornerback, including throughout his recruiting process. Was moved to safety during the early years at Alabama, and has been a spot rotational and reserve player until this season. In 2019 Mayden has been a consistent starter for the Crimson Tide.

    Anticipation and recognition are good. He positions himself well in zone coverage. Is a good communicator and a player who plays with sound technique on the back end.

    CONS: Lack of explosiveness limits the impact he can have (doesn’t have many takeaways in his career). Though he did come from a cornerback background, his move to safety was likely due to the fact that anticipation is a stronger trait for him than athleticism. Good 2-high player, but not a guy you want playing single-high by himself too often. Has recognition, but not range.

  24. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    With OTAs out and camp in peril, guys like Acy and Mayden face an uphill climb to find the time to make the impact they need to stick in September.

  25. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Players like Verrett, DJ Reed, Tavarius Moore , Dontae Johnson and Exum
    can be pushed by ACY and Mayden when evaluated in training camp however short or practices.
    Also Witherspoon is in a make it or break it year as if he doesn’t show up he will not get a new contract.

    To have a season they probably have to have a 3 week training camp or something similar to start.

  26. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When they evaluate if the newcomers are playing equally well as the veteran such as Reed or Verret I’d go with the rookie.

    The 3 guys that have the most to prove on the roster are Pettis Thomas and Verret.

  27. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    From a NN comment on the Kittle isn’t going anywhere article,

    While Over the Cap shows a touch less than $7 million in available cap space
    They haven’t added the rookies, or subtracted Joe Staley. T. Williams is included. Staley’s retirement will add about $10.5 million to the cap space. Only Kinlaw and Aiyuk will impact cap space. Their contracts will add 2020 cap expenditures of $5.09 million…offset by about $1.5 million reduced by having them displace two players from the top 51. All the other rookies are paid too little to be included in the top 51.

    If I haven’t missed anything, the Niners should have a bit less than $14 million still available, pending a Kittle deal. Let me know if I am missing something.

    Posted by Btopbob on Apr 30, 2020 | 12:06 PM

    So it seems a Kittle contract is on the way this year. Will anything be left for a possible Trent Williams extension.

    We must have the best offseason of any team coupled with a SB caliber roster not needing many changes. MIA’s haul of draft picks has risk with every one. They did some good work with FA’s. As long as we keep our 1st and 2nd Rd picks in our SB window we can stay at the top.

  28. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Redskins decline Ruben Foster’s option essentially making him an unrestricted FA.

    Where will he land?

  29. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll take jail in the pool, Bullit. Haven’t seen a lick of common sense from him yet.

  30. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    If Trent Williams returns to form he will be an upgrade to Staley who’s been hobbled in the last few years and was in the winter of his career.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTX5liobD3A

  31. winderNo Gravatar says:

    49ers declined DL Solomon Thomas’ fifth-year team option for 2021.
    It was a no brainer as exercising his option would’ve landed Thomas roughly $13 million in 2021. He’ll instead hit the market as an unrestricted free agent next offseason barring a surprising breakout. The former No. 3 overall pick in the 2017 draft, Thomas has underwhelmed with six sacks and 16 tackles for loss in 46 games with San Francisco. 25 in August, he’ll continue to be used as a rotational pass rusher this upcoming season.

  32. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    And…
    Broc signs UDFA deal for $279
    Gotta be a record?

  33. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    Jimmy needs to restructure his deal to keep Kittle happy too.
    Thomas is a Comp Pick in waiting.

  34. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    NYG steal both of my OTs
    Thomas & Peart
    See where that goes…

  35. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Maiocco and Simms evaluate the Niner Draft in depth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNeQxPS35CA

  36. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Good insight on route running. Also the Uber fit of Kinlaw in the DL.

    One aspect that is not resolved fully is the size of the WR unit with 1 or 2 that will get released and benefit an NFC West squad. Sounds like they still have doubt on Hurd’s health. Bourne and Pettis do have good enough trade value.

  37. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    This guy signed his UDFA contract today. Fast RB with 4.38 speed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAbtezGBJNY

    If McKinnon regains his pre injury “Jet” form they will have an interesting running corps.

  38. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The LA Lakers worth $4.4 billion dollars applied for and received a $4 million dollar loan from the Small Business Administration.

    Busted and embarrassed they returned the money meant for the mom and pops that were really suffering. Some heads should roll in the Laker front office because they were only pro team that attempted this greedy money grab. So much negative PR and sheer stupidity.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=la+lakers+sba+loan#id=3&vid=41e1af95385d5303e83c015d6430d256&action=click

  39. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Rich Eisen has high praise for John Lynch, even crediting Lynch with “Jedi Mind Tricks” on the Packers that have caused ripple effects on Aaron Rodgers. Also revealed that Rams HC Sean McVay said he needed a drink after hearing Niners acquired Trent Williams.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAn28CPGjPs

  40. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    More on May 1 5:15 post by bullit,

    https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/136577-49ers-coach-shanahan-compares-brandon-aiyuk-isaac-bruce/

    KS did costly trade down #31 -> #25 to get their #1 ranked WR before MIA or GB could. Little risk with KS scheme compared to other WR available.

    IMO in Kinlaw and Aiyuk got two stars with low development needed for quality starts this season. Got 3rd star with Trent Williams using little draft capital and wants to stay with next contract in SF.

  41. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Various analysts have compared Aiyuk to have the reach of Calvin Johnson, deceptive speed of Jerry Rice and just flat out saying he’s Isaac Bruce or Torry Holt. Very high praise and hype to live up to.

    I would consider Aiyuk a success if he has a similar rookie year to Deebo Samuel and Deebo taking the next step to be the #1 receiver.

    If healthy I think Trent Taylor will make a big difference as a pesky slot receiver and chain mover.

  42. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    We are set both roster and capwise for this year. Need to budget where the day 1 and day 2 picks go. Hoping we could stick to CB and IOL for a year or two.

    Already see needs for post-Ford DE and maybe post-Trent Williams LT with ridiculous Tunsil contract resetting that market.

  43. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, if we can get decent production out of Bourne as #3 and some contribution in the Red Zone from Hurd, I’d take that WR corps every year. On paper, it looks awfully good.

  44. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Lynch had plenty of company crapping out in his first draft:

    “2017 draft class fifth-year options for top 5 picks:

    1. Browns DE Myles Garrett: yes
    2. Bears QB Mitch Trubisky: nope
    3. 49ers DL Solomon Thomas: nope
    4. Jaguars RB Leonard Fournette: nope
    5. Titans WR Corey Davis: nope”

  45. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    If kick the tires on Corey Davis.

  46. NJ49ERNo Gravatar says:

    I’d not if…

  47. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Lynch might have blown the pick with Thomas but the Bears gave him 2 3rd round picks and a 4th rounder to move up one spot. That was a fleecing.

  48. winderNo Gravatar says:

    You can count the 6-10 players of the 2017 draft.

    6)Jamal Addams, option picked up
    7) Mike Williams, option picked up
    8)Christian McCaffrey, option picked up
    9) John Ross, Not picked up
    10) Patrick Mahomes option picked up

    Two out of 3 WR’s just didn’t pan out and Williams hasn’t really done much either. I think WR is the hardest position to get right.

  49. winderNo Gravatar says:

    When you add in that Garrett could possibly be a headcase because of the suspension. And a disgruntled Addams. There are two total successes in Mahomes and McCaffrey.

  50. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Eman Sanders is a 5th RD comp for us next year.

    Updated,team has 16,646,000 cap space with Trent Williams and draft picks in, Staley out.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/san-francisco-49ers/

    Is this enough for new contracts for Kittle and Williams?

  51. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Positing a case that Kinlaw is an upgrade to Buckner and it will be seen this year. Is this reasonable?

    Lynch made a statement that Buckner was only 285, 290 lbs. If he was accurate what can be drawn from this. I thought he was around 300 but NFL’ers can start heavier and as season wears down so does their weight.

    Niners run with a one-gapping dline for the most part. On base downs the NT e.g. Jones and Mitchell did whatever 2-gapping happened. So in theory one-gappers should thrive in this scheme.

    One drawback is facing a run oriented team with big OG like BAL and DAL and SEA. Kinlaw is the answer here. A good stack and shedder with long arms and 325 lbs this betters DeFo in facing these teams.

    From our draft this season Kinlaw and Williams are direct upgrades. Williams has experience. Kinlaw in a 4-3 scheme easy to pick up. If Aiyuk can read D and make adjustments to help Jimmy with reliable, seperation creating route running against both zone and man coverage then we win at all three direct replacement draft picks.

    This is why we are better than last year. A healthy Hurd does not hurt.

  52. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Also helps that KS inside help from ASU coach (Herm Edwards, Aiyuk) and Iowa coach on Kittle.

  53. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The roster is in pretty good shape, but people need to remember how hard this is.

    During the Dynasty years (1981-1998), we won 13 or more games eight times. With a truly great roster.

    We only won 13 or more, Back-to-Back, ONCE (1989-1990).

    I expect to win 10 or more games this year and be in the playoffs (assuming there IS a season…).

    I am not assuming anything about getting deep into the playoffs. That takes being good, and it also takes a certain amount of luck. With injuries and all the other things that can derail you.

    I WILL say, that Lynch and Shanahan have done just about everything possible, within the constraints of the cap, draft, etc., to set us up for another title run, in spite of the hurdles, and the fact that EVERY team is going to be gunning for us, and we’re in the toughest division in the league.

    Now we just have see if it’s enough.

  54. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah Grump, i totally agree. It’s gonna take a whole lot of winning for a # of years before I let myself get to spoiled again. Just like in the old gunslinger days, we are marked.

  55. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Funny how things work when GM and head coach are partners working in harmony and in synch.

    Baalke was promoted to GM to entice Jim Harbaugh to move from Stanford to the Niners. The key here was the target was Harbaugh and Baalke was
    hired to get Harbaugh aboard. Things went south after a couple of years success and the fracture occured in a power struggle where Baalke started scapegoatting coaches namely one Greg Roman.

    The discussion then became who was more important, The Head Coach or the GM. Hindsight shows that without a solid head coach Baalke was a zero, unable to attract any decent coaches and the team ended up with Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly which led to comparisons to Joe Thomas as GM and the Ken Meyer/Pete Mccully debacles. Very dark forgettable years along with Donahue as GM.

    Jed York hit the lottery with Lynch/Shanahan and this team should contend for the forseeable future as the team is relatively young and we should enjoy this.

  56. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    So Andy Dalton went from making $17.7mil to signing a $7mil contract with Cowgurls with $3 mil guaranteed. Insurance policy and leverage for Dak.

  57. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    RIP Don Shula Coach of the Fins, the team with the perfect season.
    He was 90 years old,

  58. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Route running, they train for this.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_rfwnaUsA

  59. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    FYI

    By Phil Barber

    Greetings, 49ers fans.

    Most of you probably heard by now that Grant Cohn, who has captained this site for most of a decade, has moved on to another role. Grant is now managing Sports Illustrated’s All49ers page. He’ll do a great job. For those of you who have formed a close-knit, passionate, occasionally warring community here on the Press Democrat’s “Inside the 49ers” blog, we are not abandoning you during this critical period of the NFL offseason.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/which-49ers-udfa-has-the-best-chance-to-make-the-final-roster

  60. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I used to subscribe to Sports Illustrated but stopped a couple of years ago. Their best writers have gone elsewhere, retired or in many cases died. The magazine. It has regressed from a weekly to publishing monthly. It is following the path of my favorite sports periodical, THE SPORTING NEWS which is now extinct.

    SI has Peter King and Albert Breer on their staff.

    Funny that Grant “click bait” Cohn one of the least credible Niner writers is going to this sinking ship.

    SI is transitioning to an online model most likely they will charge a fee for access of their content.

    Right now IMO THE ATHLETIC is the best online sports site I was able to catch a deal and paid $2 a month whereas normal subscription comes out to $5/month. ESPN Plus is also $5/month but I think THE ATHLETIC is superior.

  61. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Staley needed to retire. He hit his limit. Neck Fusion surgery was in his future otherwise. Egads.

    Enjoy retirement. No snowmobiling. No stunt man stuff.

  62. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    At age 37 Frank Gore continues his stellar career signing with the Jest.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    COVID19 has touched the 49er family taking Alice Young, the mother of Niner great Bryant Young. Because of the pandemic Bryant Young says they cannot give his mother a proper funeral.

    Simply put if you don’t do all you can to mitigate the health crisis the economy will continue to fall apart. Everyone here wants this to go away as do I. We all want things to get back to normal. We’re a long ways off from that happening because just like antibiotics you have to take all of the prescription for it to work. If you stop halfway the infection is likely to come back.

    RIP Alice Young.

  64. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2020 Schedule
9-13: L Cardinals 24, 49ers 20
9-20: @ NYJ
9-27: @ NYG

10-4: PHI (SNF)
10-11: MIA
10-18: LA RAMS (SNF)
10-25: @ NE

11-1: @ SEA
11-5: GB (TNF)
11-15: @ NO

BYE

11-29: @LAR

12-7: BUF (MNF)
12-13: WAS
12-20: @ DAL (SNF)
12-26: or 27 @ AZ

1-3: SEA

2020 Draft Class
1. DT Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina
1. WR Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
5. OL Colton McKivitz, West Virginia
6. TE Charlie Woerner, Georgia
7. WR Jauan Jennings, Tennessee
 
2020 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-4
Grumpy: 12-4
NJ49er: 11-5
Skeebers: 11-5
Winder: 11-5

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