Giants 27, 49ers 23

That was a pretty entertaining game between two evenly matched teams, which is not what you want to say when the team you’re matched up evenly with came into the game with the worst record in the NFC and exited the game with you having the worst record in the NFC.

The “you” featured here is of course the 49ers. QB Nick Mullens played a reasonably decent game, but two tipped-pass interceptions and a fail-at-crunch-time defense turned his efforts into close, but no cigar.

The offense has at least found an identity at long last. It’s Matt Breida and George Kittle, with an occasional assist from Marquise Goodwin and just about nobody else. The defense plays well against the run, but not particularly well against the pass. Especially when the opposing team realizes it can concentrate on RCB Ahkello Witherspoon and have a field day. Which the dull-witted Giants realized late in the game, switching Odell Beckham away from his matchup with Dickhead Sherman and over to Witherspoon’s side to turn a ten point second half deficit into a four point victory.

A 49er win would have moved the team all the way up to the third worst team in the NFC, but now they must be contented with being the second worst team in all of the entire NFL. The other worstest team is the Raiders, of course, and that makes the Bay Area the worst example of NFL football by a slim margin over New York, which has the awful Giants and the nearly as awful Jets.

This marks the end of the Niners’ three game foray through the dregs of the NFL. They went 1-2 against the Cardinals, Raiders, and Giants. After their BYE week, the 49ers play four games against middle-of-the-road teams, before finishing up against the Bears and Rams.

I think it’s safe to say that in year two of the Kyle Shanahan Era, he’s managed to turn a bad team that was painful to watch into a bad team that is sometimes entertaining to watch. The team moves fairly well between the 20s, with the occasional big gainer play, but also features the previous teams’ standby effort of moving backwards with penalties and sacks and just hitting a brick wall. The brick wall play was pretty much the perfected feature of the two previous regimes.

Bottom linely, we still have a bottom feeder team, elevated briefly last year and this by Jimmy Garoppolo, who watched this game comfortably from the stands, instead of down on the field with his teammates. Not a good look, but these $25 million dollar babies have their own set of rules, far above and beyond we mere mortals of existence.


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52 comments on “Giants 27, 49ers 23
  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    According to Maiocco Jimmy G cannot be on the sidelines due to the fact he’s got mobility issues anf the Niners won’t risk freak reinjury
    by somebody plowing into him. Jimmy G is still on crutches after his surgery.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kittle has become the Niner’s #1 receiving target. What happened to Celek and “Celek Time”? The other Niner tight ends have been absent this season.

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Yesterday’s broadcast hyped Barkley but Breida was the star running back in the game in both yards and TDs.

    Broadcast crew felt it was their duty to keep those on the East coast interested and not turning off the game to go to sleep.

  4. robNo Gravatar says:

    Not too sure the refs weren’t in on that east coast bias thing too Bullit !

  5. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Pass rush and pass defense have to be the priority for this off-season. We cannot stop anyone when it counts.

  6. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Why bother at this point Grumpy?
    Lynch needs all the odds in his favor come April.

    Pull a Gruden, like it appeared we did last night, by losing close.
    Let the warts show loud and proud, in the Secondary, so he’s got a road map on where to Scout the College ranks the rest of the way.
    I’d start in the SEC, specifically pass rushers, both interior and edge.

    Pencil ASU WR N’keal Harry on the list too. He looks like a solid possession candidate to me and, let Pierre walk after the season unless there’s an option to deal him.
    I wouldn’t think too long on replacing Malcolm Smith with LSU LB Devin White either.

    The Secondary and Pass Rush go hand-in-hand. Neither compliments the other at this point. Improve 1, the other benefits.
    I don’t see any major improvements being had for the IOL right now from the Draft prospects so, we either seek some talent to develop or, spend in FA.
    Having serious doubts that this Coaching Staff can’t win no matter who they’re trotting out there anyway.

  7. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Next game has TB with an underperforming dline. Lots of dollars spent. If DC has the sweats, then we have just the cure for their ailing D.

    Wes Richburg on Vita Veay. Assume VV is healthy now.

    https://www.bucsnation.com/2018/11/6/18067612/defensive-woes-sticking-to-the-same-plan

  8. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, a possible answer is the other TE’s are not the primary or secondary receiver and only Jimmy has:

    1. Ability to go through progressions and find receiver 3,4,5 where Celek, Hikutini,… would be.

    2. A clock in his head

    3. Sees the full field.

    4. Executes play action well enough to slow down the pass rush

    5. Reads zone blitz and throws to vacated area.

  9. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Breida living on borrowed time when between the lines. Undersized, LB’s and SS’s salivating for a season ending hit.

    Saquon Barkley on schedule to be only the 3rd RB to have both 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in a season. Behind a god awful line.

    Our oline is damn good with OZ runs. Breida a system RB?

  10. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NJ says “let the warts show loud and proud” list also needs IOL pass pro. Next 6 games could give us some flash bangs for our scouts.

    Many teams have injuries that broke their dreams. Last third of season takes its toll on most teams.

    Tampa Bay on paper had a killer dline. What went wrong? McCoy and Vea back from injuries. Vinny Curry injured. If healthy TB can expose our IOL flaws.

    Bronco’s D an acid bath, as bad as Ram’s number Person and Richburg.

    Bears have Khalil Mack and Leonard Floyd on edges. Bullard on interior rush.

    Rams another beatdown?

    Two games with Seattle the weakest dline we face before the season yields us #2. Don’t phuck it up niners.

  11. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Seems most in these 9er forums envision a pure Edge guy as the missing piece. While always coveted, I’d lean in the direction of the best Interior Pocket Collapsing candidate in April.
    As we’ve seen with Donald/Suh wrecking Interiors, we’d do well to locate similar pieces ourselves. Thomas is not strong enough in that role and might just be the reason he becomes Casper so often.

    While our needs are plentiful, I’d still buy into the ‘Earl Thomas’ piece, as the one that might just get this haphazard Secondary into some semblance of respectability.
    Way too much confusion going on back there, still, in year 2 of Saleh’s version of Legion of Boom-Light.

  12. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Have to read later, but it takes 3 years to fully evaluate a draft class.

    https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1959-film-room-george-kittle-thrives-shanahans-diverse-running/

    Lynch Draft 1: keeper Kittle
    Lynch Draft 2: keepers McGlinchey, Warner

    The rest are average starters and depth, probably released or traded before their 2nd contract.

  13. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Any word on Joshua Garnett, does he sub in games at all or special teams.

  14. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Have not seen game yet, but only 1 sack against NYG garbage oline. Tanking? KS and FO in sync here. My theory is correct?

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401030873

    #2 is ours if we lose out. Cards beat us twice, NYG once. Does draft order use that or just strength of schedule for ties?

  15. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Numerous tie-breaker formulas involved. Recall the coin flip that netted us McGlinchey last year. Holding the slot is my opinion as well.
    Watch, we’ll eff it up and win a game or 2 down the stretch. 😀

  16. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    That’s a macabre sense of humor you have there.

    There is a lot of pain and frustration welled up in our hearts. Then you stick a knife in and twist it. I am one of those bitter clingers that counts only L’s trying to get to sleep.

    OK for us to be obvious tankers. We bailed out the league’s TV ratings the last 5 2017 games.

    If the Rams sit their major starters again we will be allowed to do whatever to set the bar lower. Flu sweeps team?

  17. robNo Gravatar says:

    I like that whenever someone stubs a toe, they sit out games or go on IR !

  18. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NYG beats TB and ARI beats OAK next Sunday -> SF is #2. We lose out we stay at #2!!!

  19. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Hidden tanking, leave no fingerprints.

    Playcalling subpar.

    No SAM replacement. Ahmad Brooks 263 lbs. Eli Harold beefed up to 255 plus? Setting the edge on run downs is a main qualifier for this job. All after Harold are small.

    No complaints here. Shanahan says last 6 games to evaluate next year’s roster. Great, play rookies and practice squaders.

    Above all else, no more wins.

  20. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Most of our LB’s are small. Foster, Elijah Lee, Malcolm Smith, even Fred Warner is only 236. Maybe in a 4-3 it doesn’t matter as much.

    Some of these recent big money FA’s disappoint. Latest complaint on NYJ Trumaine Johnson.

    How about us and money poorly spent. Malcolm Smith at 228 lbs playing SAM now. Weston Richburg too small.

    Are we sane?

  21. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Dekoda Watson only 245 lbs.

  22. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NYG 2018 draft #2 RB Barkley, #34 LG Hernandez, #66 DT BJ Hill, #69 OLB Lorenzo Carter. Starters at positions that get lots of snaps.

    SF is not playing CB Tarvarius Moore and Dante Pettis not playing much. Moore needs to see the field on D.

  23. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Pass interference on dickhead. He got penalty but Jimmy Ward had illegal contact refuseed.

    Solomon Thomas had no tackles, sacks, QB hit. Not in box score

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=401030873

    Even tho Pettis stats has 4 receptions only 12 yards, Mullens underthrew an out route with 2 yard seperation and reached back to prevent the int just before halftime.

  24. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Tarvarius Moore looking for the headline hit on the punt returner, flag for early hit.

    Terrible run blocking for Barkley. Everything is cut backs .

  25. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Say what you will, two MNF games with SF kept viewers until the end. Goodwin looks like a punch drunk boxer, two head hits in series at end of 3rd, start of 4th.

  26. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    One blitz tonight by SF. Worried about Eli reading it? 4 man rush on a bad oline.

    Another example of the hidden tank. Well done 49ers.

    Lorenzo Carter with hard sack on Mullens. Penalty.

  27. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Put this kid on the Draft Radar too. Likely not a Top 10 candidate at this point but….Sliding around the Board with some skill is where it’s at – Can’t see us holding onto Arik with the price tag he’s carrying. Use his money to extend DeFo and stock up on DL talent this Spring.

    https://tinyurl.com/yah88q3j

  28. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s another under the radar consideration for me.
    How many WRs convert to LB? And… he’s alraedy a 49er 😀
    Good hands (6 INTs) and might be the type of hybrid player needed in this pass happy NFL.

    https://tinyurl.com/yc8ab32d

  29. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’d still like the idea of Clelin Ferrell from Clemson or Ed Oliver from Houston playing alongside of DeFo.
    But…you have to have some backup options 😀

  30. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Ed Oliver is a 3 technique just like DeFo. Both have to be 4 down players. Are you suggesting he play the big end like Armstead and move inside on pass downs.

    You have to have a lot of confidence in Saleh and crew to redesign their 4-3 to accommodate two 3-tech’s.

    Suh and Donald are not the same to me. Suh is both athletic for pass rush but strong enough for nose tackle.

  31. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    AA is 9.1 mil next year. Too bad he had the big injury history to prevent a value trade for us this fall.

    We need more picks. Even paying a chunk of his salary in a trade. So many teams are near the cap.

  32. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Gotta figure he’s nothing more than a Comp Pick with all the DL talent projected this Spring.
    I like him but not at the price tag he’s carrying.
    Get younger and cheaper while the crop of talent is available.
    Use his money to retain DeFo.
    And, depending where we slot, should Clelin and the top Edge guys go off the Board, I’d seriously consider Devin White as a replacement for Smith at LB. Even if it means sliding down a few slots to garner an extra Pick.
    Heavy D Draft. Don’t reach.

  33. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It’s also looking like Lynch whiffed on Thomas at this point.
    Unless he puts some stronger talent around him in April.

  34. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Even in 4-3 Under the SAM is the edge setter and needs size like Brooks. This White is an ILB suitable for WILL or MIKE?

    Maybe White early in the first and move up the 2nd and get Sack Daddy in late 1st. Roquan Smith was #8 for CHI.

    Would really like to trade Thomas and Armstead. What’s up with Garnett too. Is he OZ capable. Am sensing none of those guys can even get us a 3rd. Too much embarrassment to swallow.

  35. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’d much prefer an inside pocket collapsing DT along the way too.
    Might have that with KStreet after his rehab year, we’ll see.
    Saw a kid from UAB today who could be a Mid/Late RD Fat Man in the Middle.
    Anthony Rush – I’ve seen his Bio going from 6’4″/290 to 6’5″/350
    Looked pretty nimble for whatever his actual size is.
    I’ll watch for him if/when he gets a Combine invite.
    Either way, some talented interior guys will be available down the Board, if you Scout/slot them properly.

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Devin White is in the Patrick size range. Extremely quick like P52 too.
    Likely an ILB I’d guess, maybe a Dime SS?
    Seems athletic enough to experiment with I suppose?
    Strictly from a cost perspective, get younger and cheaper.

  37. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’m champing at the bit for some reliable stats to get out for the Draft at the FS position too.
    What Saleh needs is his Earl Thomas.
    Not sure whether there is one, but I’m dying to get the bigger picture on the position.

  38. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Lynch and Shanahan have the long contracts and are safe. Saleh is not. Thomas should have been a day two pick. Blair is better. Maybe Sheldon Day too.

    Saleh may be coaching for his job. Or covering for Lynch.

  39. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Only guy I’ve seen in the Mocks as a FS is Lukas Denis from BC – 5’11″/185
    Might need to look into CB conversion guys like Minkah was last year.
    Long way to go of course. I’m just anxious to start my homework.

  40. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    The way to salvage Thomas is to find a great edge guy. That way #2 and Marsh could be Avril and ? That Michael Bennett had.

  41. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Guess I’ll need to get my eyes on FS Deionte Thompson from ‘Bama too.

  42. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    From GBN – Converted Safety too.

    GERMAINE PRATT #3 LB 6’3/240 NC STATE
    The Wolfpack lost an incredible amount of talent from their Defense last Spring when the NFL Draft rolled around. Their entire DL of CHUBB, HILL, JONES and STREET was drafted. They lost others, and faced a huge defensive rebuild.
    One guy who really stepped up was a former S, who in 2017, beefed up and became a LB. In that 2017 campaign, GERMAINE recorded 69 tackles, 2 PD, and 2 INT’s. PRATT now sports almost ideal LB size for his transition into the NFL, and has exhibited some excellent pass-rush tendencies, without having lost his coverage skills. Thus, the likelihood that he gets a fairly early Draft call next Spring. This fall thru 9 games, he has 93 tackles. He’s a very instinctive player who can deliver punishment in his tackling technique. He can still drop into intermediate pass coverage, which bodes well for an NFL future. Against Wake, he recorded 12 tackles, 2 solo, and 1 TFL. I believe that he has serious upside at the next level, and could be the kind of guy that vaults into the Top 100 selections with an impressive Star Game performance.

  43. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Same source regarding another piece of the Clemson DL –

    AUSTIN BRYANT #7 DE 6’5/265 CLEMSON
    BRYANT is the final piece in the work of art that is the Clemson DL, for me to thumbnail. I still think this is the finest front 4 that I have ever seen in college football during my 60 years of watching games.
    BRYANT is the long, lean edge protector opposite FERRELL. He has pass-rush skills, but is equally effective releasing back into shallow pass coverage. When looking at his stats, please remember a finite number of tackle opportunities are being divided amongst 4 players with elite skills and athleticism. In a physical ACC showdown game with BC, CLEMSON pulled away with a 27-7 victory fueled primarily by the Defense. BRYANT had a very solid night with 6 tackles, 1.5 Sacks, 2 TFL, and 1 QBH. He is so long that he often disrupts the vision of opposing QB’s as they look for throwing lanes. I would expect him to knock down even more throws at the next level. I don’t think pro teams are going to try to bulk him up, because in today’s pass-happy NFL, his ability to drop back into coverage will be valued even more than setting a stout edge.
    I feel his best standard defensive set will be in a 4-3 scheme, but he may have the versatility of a BUD DUPREE, who has really emerged the past two seasons with the STEELERS. Even though I have hinted that the entire Clemson DL may go in Round 1, I think BRYANT is more likely to be selected in Round 2.

  44. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    I agree we should also prioritize youth on D. Other teams will as well.

    NYG have Olivier Vernon paid way too much. An early round rookie could allow them to release him. They do have a GM and HC that could get worried and make bad short term decisions.

    With Sherman to mentor Ward needs to be released. Lynch not doing his job if Ward and Armstrong stay on roster. Juices 5 mil annual contract needs to be redone aswell. Already benefited for two years. Next highest fullback makes 2 mil and they do catch passes as well.

  45. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    NYG and DET won, JAX lost. So far a good day except JAX could not hold off PIT.

  46. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Oakland may have just fumbled away the first pick. Going to come down to tie breakers now.

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Not to worry Grumpy. We’ll beat the Bucs and likely face Bears/Rams resting for the Playoffs.
    Of all the years to break our losing streak vs Seattle, I hope it’s not this year.
    Much as I’m in for the Draft slot, I’m not convinced we can help ourselves the rest of the way.
    Denver? Who eff’n knows how that’s gonna go?

  48. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bakkentom some good reading material.
    I’m going to make a point of seeing an Alabama game ASAP.
    Haven’t seen DT Quinnen Williams yet but he’s apparently a must see.

    https://tinyurl.com/ycdteky2

  49. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Great stuff. Derrick Brown from Auburn with DeFo would be devastating.

    Trade down for an edge. Trade up one or both 2nd’s to get him. Front seven fixed.

  50. bakkentomNo Gravatar says:

    Another thing on NYG. Last year or before they got their big man in the middle, Tomlinson in 2nd? Getting rid of Snacks gives him needed snaps. NYG needs fixes on that OL now.

    TB may take us with the revitalized rapist at QB. McCoy back to pair with Pierre-Paul to put pressure on OL and maybe TKO Mullens for some games.

  51. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2018 Schedule
9-9, L: Vikings 24, 49ers 16
9-16, W: 49ers 30, Lions 27
9-23, L: Chiefs 38, 49ers 27
9-30, L: Chargers 29, 49ers 27
10-7, L: Cardinals 28, 49ers 18
10-15, L: Packers 33, 49ers 30
10-21, L: Rams 39, 49ers 10
10-28, L: Cardinals 18, 49ers 15
11-1, W: 49ers 34, Raiders 3
11-12, L: Giants 27, 49ers 23
11-25, L: Tampa 27, 49ers 9
12-2, L: Seattle 43, 49ers 16
12-9, W: 49ers 20, Broncos 14

12-16: vs. Seattle, 1:05 pm, Sun.
12-23: vs. Bears, 1:05 pm, Sun.
12-30: @ Rams, 1:25 pm, Sun.
 
2018 Draft Class
1. OT Mike McGlinchey
2. WR Dante Pettis
3. LB Fred Warner
3. DB Tarvarius Moore
4. DE Kentavius Street
5. CB D.J. Reed
6. S Marcell Harris
7. DT Jullian Taylor
7. WR Richie James
 
2018 Prognostications
Closest to the Pin:
  Mr Fletch: 7-9

Bakkentom: 8-8
Grumpy: 8-8
Winder: 8-8
Bullit: 9-7
NJ49er: 9-7
Skeebers: 10-6
Spitblood: 0-16
Rob!!!: 16-0

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