The Church of Football Is Open

The players are back, the pads go on tomorrow, and in less than two weeks we’ll be watching a real fake football game.

The final score doesn’t matter in these fake games, so they serve mainly as a warning to non-believers that there is one month left before Sundays become off limits for any meaningful interaction with us believer types. Not only will Sundays be off limits, but for fans of bad teams, Mondays will be reserved for working through intense agony and be also off limits.

And for households without any non-believers, woe unto them who dare knock on the door for frivolous visiting on said Sundays. Death by stoning most surely will ensue.

And, let’s face it, shirking household chores and feigning illnesses for six months of Sundays takes its toll. I’m exhausted. Soon I will be able to park myself in front of the TV, smiling that evil smile of joy, and blissfully recuse myself from the screwed up world around me.

Aldon Smith successfully negotiated the summer without getting arrested and told reporters he had not had a drink since last September, when he ran into a tree and passed out cold. This statement is at odds with the LAX coppers who arrested him in March and said he seemed to have been drinking. Either the cops were wrong or Aldon is lying. Since Aldon plays for us and the cops don’t, we’ll have to assume the LAX boys leapt to an unwarranted conclusion.

No surprise, but Vernon Davis showed up for camp, despite his missed OTAs blather about his “brand.” Also no surprise, Alex Boone did not show up. Not sure what Boone is thinking. Like Vernon, he missed the OTAs, emphasizing his desire for a new contract, but now he’s just losing $30,000 per day for nothing. The 49ers don’t negotiate with players until they show up. If Boone were a superstar WR or QB, the Niners might blink (not likely), but he’s just a lowly RG.

In Boone’s absence, 2012 4th round pick Joe Looney is taking the reps with the first team. Soon, Boone will hear Jim Harbaugh describing Looney’s play as “outstanding.”

On the first day of TC, rookie RB Carlos Hyde dropped two passes and the other new RB, Marcus Lattimore, was placed on the PUP list with knee trouble. Snickering on the sideline was Frank Gore.

wordpress stats plugin

Tagged with: , , , , , , , ,
Posted in Training Camp
163 comments on “The Church of Football Is Open
  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Religion and football are similar in that running each is about having a solid plan and having all the answers. This is essential because the zealots who follow either have lots of questions and always want them answered.

  2. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Answers is one thing we got here. Answers to questions, answers to questions nobody asks, and answers to answers. Now I’ve typed “answer” so many times it looks like a misspelled word.

  3. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Misspelled looks like a misspelled word.

  4. winderNo Gravatar says:

    No wonnder I make so many spelling errors. Anyway, Boone is really getting some bad advice and the problem is that he’s taking it. Maybe too many head shots.

  5. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, the problem is, Boone took the advice of his new agents, the guys that represent Darelle Revis.

    Problem is, RG is much easier to fill than LCB. Sorry, Rhino. Nice guy, great backstory, but see ya on some other team. Would be a shame to miss out on that ring, wouldn’t it?

  6. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Ring? Maybe around the collar or in the bathtub. That’s the only type of ring these players will see with Harbaugh as head coach.

    Boone could always look into a telescope and see Saturn’s rings. Did you know that Jupiter, Neptune and even Uranus has rings? That’s right. Uranus has rings. But I’m sure you guys are well versed with Uranus and all of its rings.

  7. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Blinkin sphincters. Hey dennis I didn’t know you were into asstrology.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- I was wondering if there was any meaning behind those smoke rings from Uranus?

  9. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Matt Barrows raised an interesting point on the suspension of Ray Rice.
    There has been a firestorm of outrage on how light many consider the 2 game suspension of Rice was for his domestic violence episode.
    Barrows thinks that the blowback could essentially hurt the next few guys that come before Goodell because now he’s going to throw the book at these guys to stem the criticism of being soft.
    They might have just created Judge Roy Bean 2.0
    I hope not for Aldon and the Niner’s sake.

  10. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No, Dennis is into ballistics.

    Goodell may be a lot of things, but he doesn’t turn his decisions on the vagaries of the instant.

    His decisions have been all over the place. Like I’ve said, if the miscreant has sone enough in his eyes (i.e. Felonies dropped to misdemeanors, time served, a clean record in the interim (minus Airport 77), then he won’t come down like a load of bricks. I originally said 2-4. I’m still down with 1-2 per the rehab stint, and the plea deal he’s already worked out.

  11. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Winder- Your post made laugh enough that I had to call Dennis to ask him about his Asstrology expertise!

  12. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t believe GoodAll will be swayed by the reaction to the Rice suspension.

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Petey is taking the hard line and a firm stand on Marshawn Lynch and all future rengotiations. Marshawn might be holding out for a while.

  14. winderNo Gravatar says:

    berger- Well I hope dennis is ok and I hope he does his leagues this year. I haven’t won one yet so I gotta be due here sooner or later.

  15. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, I’ll get the leagues up and going shortly. If nothing else I have to keep my yahoo! streak of having the best regular season team with the best record that scores the most pts. only to lose in the playoffs. Remind you of anyone?

    There’s a Jim Harbaugh joke team name just begging to happen there.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Football is back!
    Happenings at Niner camp. Really different to have your practice field outside your stadium.

  17. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Hunter tweaked his knee in non-contact drills. Looks like we;ll need LMJ after all.

  18. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Johnny Football just can’t stop being Johnny Football.
    The boy just wants to have fun cuz he’s 21.
    At least Cleveland has LeBron back now.

  19. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of Harbaugh losing…HARBAUGH the horse finished 7/10 in a 40K claiming event in the 3rd run earlier this afternoon at old Del Mar. He got out to a big early lead then faded poorly down the stretch. I think an equipment change is in order for that 3yo chestnut colt…make him a gelding. That’s the ultimate equipment change.

    Doesn’t get much better than hearing Bing croon “Where the Turf Meets the Surf”

  20. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    The Browns wouldn’t sniff the SB this year if they had Peyton, Rodgers or even the future president of the United States as their QB. They sure in the hell won’t be within smelling distance with either Hoyer or Johnny Football at the helm.

    But that organization would be asinine beyond belief if they didn’t start Johnny Football from Day 1. He makes that team relevant, interesting and “must see TV.” They have only one prime time Thursday night game on their docket — November 6 vs Cincinnati. If they’re 2-6 at the time and starting Brian Hoyer they’ll be lucky if even the Hoyer family tune in to watch that matchup vs the Gingerbread Boy.

  21. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You couldn’t be more wrong Deniis. Hoyer gives them their best shot now. Johnny Speedball needs to cool his heels and learn the game. Otherwise, he’ll be the next Tim Tebow. Out of the league in 3 years.

  22. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- Harbaugh will have Bullit and NoFear supporting his offense because all they know is win loss records and they only care about being relevant. NJ edges on this territory. Super Bowls are not that important for those two, almost not important for NJ. Strategy eludes some people for relevancy. Schottenheimer or Schembechler football is the analogy. Win, we don’t care if we win it all, even though that would be nice, as long as we are relevant. Those people always have numbers to sow how relevant we are, I only care about one number, a Super Bowl victory.

    It is possible to win a SB with Harbaugh’s offensive strategy but it is highly unlikely. Harbaugh needs to understand the Walsh philosophy of getting the ball to playmakers in space. That allows you to win without an historically dominating defense. But unfortunately Harbaugh is a Schembechler disciple. He might understand the philosophy but he has been proselytized by Sardine Can Football religion. The same church NoFear and Bullit attend. The Church Of Football Is Open.

  23. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Total BS post. You sound like you’re constipated.
    Get some new material instead of recycling the same old tired BS. You sound like a parrot.

    Time to blow it out of Uranus.

  24. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, was I the only one who watched Johnny Football perform his magic as an Agriculturalist and Machinist in the great state of Texas these past few years? Johnny was nothing short of effing Harry Houdini. You can’t teach these magic tricks. Especially the rabbit he pulled out of his hat on this play vs Duke. You think Brian Hoyer has this trick up his sleeve? Think again.

  25. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I’m such a great prestidigitator that I turned that would be Johnny Football video into Bing Crosby again. One more time…

  26. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- I thought a press digitater was a numbers person who has no idea how to coach but he could sell numbers? IOW, a coach who can’t strategize but has sold an owner on his CPA ability to use numbers.

  27. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, if you and I could become prestidigitators and magically make Jim Harbaugh disappear, who would you replace him with to be our next head coach?

    My answer is pretty obvious — Sean Payton. He knows how to run an offense — an offense that will actually win you a goddamn Super Bowl.

  28. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, calling me names won’t make your idiotic edicts about how to play football any better. They’re wrong and proven wrong game after game.

    When you say you know more than the pros but have nothing to offer but name-calling, you’re just pissing in the wind and making a fool of yourself.

    FYI, I’m a WCO fan but not so ignorant about football to think it’s the only way a team can play to win. And when you insist there’s only one formula to win the game it proves your ignorance more than anything else.

  29. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- What name did I call you? I was just pointing out that you and bullit support won loss records and numbers more than actually winning a Super Bowl. Am I wrong?

  30. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The WCO is very diverse these days. It could mean anywhere from the Harbaugh Sardine Can Offense, which you advocate, to the Patriots offense that scores. You said nothing in your last post, just like a Harbaugh’s 3rd down efficiency. Your version of the WCO is nothing more than Schottenheimer’s version of winning Super Bowls. Possible, yes, likely, no.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- To show how naïve you are I offer up an example of your last post being nothing but defending your narrow minded view.

    I do not like Norv Turner’s offense but love his strategic mind. I love a strategist more than a system. A system is important but without the strategist calling the plays what difference does it make? Some can see this and some can’t. Your comments make me believe you have no idea of strategy. Please explain why I am wrong about this.

    I haven’t pegged this for sure yet but I think what we have in 49erville is Harbaugh is a really good coach who has not yet learned to be a great strategist. Having Roman as OC is proof. I do think Harbaugh is evolving. I just hope he figures it out before he gets fired. I love him as a football coach but not as an offensive strategist. Over all he strategizes a game well; IE offense vs defense and getting to the play-offs, but as a blitzkrieg dominator he is lacking. Just too conservative on offense.

    I don’t ask for much, just enough scoring to make it so the game plan doesn’t have to work perfectly. Any mistakes kill a team who’s offense is too conservative at some point during the play-offs. A well designed offense can make a couple mistakes and recover, add a really good defense and a SB win every few years is a reasonable expectation. Harbaugh’s offense s too Schembechler orientated, meaning he beats up on bad or average teams but championships elude him because he doesn’t have the strategic mind to win a war where he is evenly matched. His strategies have been studied by his opponents and learned how to be defensed. IOW, his strategies can be read in history books.

  32. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    You think we’re playing Madden on Sundays? Players have strengths and weaknesses. A HC and coaching staff evaluate these guys on every play of every practice and every game. They have a better handle on what they can and can’t do than anybody, including you.

    It’d be nothing short of foolish to put out a game plan that nobody has the skillset to accomplish. A good game plan wins the game. Something you seem to oppose or dismiss but something that is very hard to do week after week just the same. A coach who has done it as consistently as Harbaugh is not just lucky. Get over your pride and accept that he knows what it takes to WIN WITH THE TEAM THAT HE HAS and does it.

    And stop saying I advocate something just because I have to explain it to you.

  33. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    And WTF are you talking about with too conservative to win Championships? He has, consistently and lost the SB only because of being over aggressive with the pass in the hands of a guy who was over his head. Something you’ve been constantly harping on as the only way to win. When it was in fact the recipe to lose.

  34. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Although you still are in a deep state of denial and you won’t admit you know the overwhelming reason we lost to the Seahags. 3 turnovers which was end result of poor execution.
    Your holier than thou comments are offensive and makes you look like the king of Monday Morning QBs when actually you are the ultimate second guesser with the benefit of hindsight.

    You’ve been drinking too much of Denny’s negative Kool aid.
    When the Niners win #6 under you can rest assured you’ll regret
    some of the things you’ve said.

  35. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Should read
    When the Niners win #6 under Harbaugh/Roman you can rest assured you’ll regret some of the things you’ve said.

  36. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Good morning NoFear and Bullit. If I’m looking like the king of Monday morning QB send me a crown to wear! Maybe I’ll just go get some Imperial margarine! Isn’t that the commercial where the crown appears on the head when you the oleo? When the 49ers run better plays and win a SB I’ll use my 20/20 hindsight and point that out with my crown on top of my head. Where is NJ? I think he is looking for our 6th SB trophy we should have for just being relevant!

  37. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    My whole point is some people are happy with winning and some want it all. The 49eres have spoiled me and I want it all. Anything less is not relevant to me. When the window is open the trophy must be taken home. Our offense is too timid to take the trophy home. Let’s hope I am changing that opinion come September. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  38. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “49ers confirm Kendall Hunter tore his ACL in yesterday’s practice.”

  39. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    First Dan Uggla, now Jake Peavy. The SF Giants are ready to dominate the 2008 playoffs.

  40. winderNo Gravatar says:

    dennis- Yeah, the Giants are really digging deep. And, with Hunter out maybe Jewell will make the squad. What looked like a deep rb core is now just Gore. Hyde is totally unproven and i really thought that Lattimore would compete. O’well hopefully this new and improved offense of ours will be able to adjust. I’m paying attention to everyone’s comments about winning and losing here (well at least a little bit) and I have come to the conclusion that it’ mostly on our OL and Kap. We are not the best pass blocking team out there and it shows. I truly love having Kappy as our QB and I think the sky is the limit with this kid but he needs a little more time in the pocket. And we need to utilize a more hurry-up offensive scheme with SCREENS, and some short passes. With the speed we got that should open up some long passing gains with regularity. Kap has shown he has an arm and is able to make the long ball throws. We have won a lot of games the last few years but at times we look like the cartoon character(the one who says:Which way did he go George)and the defenses gotta be able to see that too.

  41. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, the problem I have with this offense is the overall conservative nature of the red zone offense. I’ve said repeatedly that the early conservative decisions they make, especially in the red zone, affect the play calling later as they could have bigger leads.

    In other words, that opening drive turnover by Wilson was actually a victory FOR Seattle as they kept us out of the end zone. What was it? Run, short pass, run, kick. We could have been up 21 early.

    Too many times this team leaves points on the field early to the detriment of the team later.

    And the point Berger makes is absolutely right. It was the downfall of Nolan and Singletary. All 3 like to play the game close til the last possession and win it on the last drive. More often than not, Nolan let close games slip away late. Sing? Same thing. They all rely too much on the defense to keep things close while their offense gains yards between the 20s.

    I’m not asking for wholesale changes. just some more diversity from the passing game, and more impact pays in the red zone.

  42. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You want to get crowned?
    Be careful what you wish for.

  43. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s the Imperial Margarine crowning:

  44. robNo Gravatar says:

    Ok how many jokes can you come up with when berger aspires to be king of this blog? Rotfl

  45. robNo Gravatar says:

    Dammit kendall hunter alongside gore gave us a real one – two punch imo sorry to see we lost the lightning in our thunder and lightning attack! Hope kendall can come back from this

  46. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, who doesn’t want to see us jump out to three scores off long perfect passes in the first quarter?

    Or do we lose the ball, give the other guys three extra possessions and get ourselves in a hole we can’t fight our way out of? That makes players lose confidence in the system and the coaches teaching it. Finger pointing and discontent in the ranks ensues.

    But, wishes are wishes and facts are hard truths. Defense has been the superior unit since Nolan/A.Smith. Bend don’t break defense gives us the chance to take advantage of the other team’s mistakes while guarding against the big play. The chance, that is. Whether we can take advantage of it or not is up to more than the game plan.

    The coaches’ confidence has been with the running game, and for good reason. And a strong running game along with a top defense will cause most HCs to play the game we’ve been playing. A lot of coaches wish they had the running game and defense we do. And if they did, they’d likely run the game similar to what Harbaugh does.

    We’ve added some more targets/weapons and CK7 will get his chance to progress. If he does, he’ll get more of the game plan to work with. If not, well, we’ve got a lot of RBs, too.

  47. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “Lawrence Okoye delivers biggest blow of 49ers’ first full-contact practice.”

  48. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh NoFear. Build that strawman. I didn’t say anything like that. But you know that. besides, how do you go long from Seattle’s 15? Get it?

    Red zone offense. I guess you don’t understand that the drives in the 1st quarter mean something too.

    10 years of bend and don’t break has yielded what, NoFear? For 7 years, nothing but dog shit. 37-58. And the failure there wasn’t on the offensive players. If Harbaugh proved anything, it’s that the players they had were good enough to reach the playoffs. Shit, the 2007 team should have reached the playoffs, but Hostler was an absolute disaster. Sing/Raye same thing. It wasn’t the players it was the coaches. Smith never got to play with Martz, so there’s shit that year. He shoulda stuck around another year.

    Now? 36-11. But apparently this strategy isn’t working in the playoffs. Harbaugh got the same team to go 13-3.

    If their plan actually worked, you could argue it. But it isn’t working. Harbaugh is falling victim to the same issues Nolan and Sing did. Just later in the season. He plays the game not to lose. You don’t go conservative in the 1st quarter when you are trying to take the lead. You go conservative when you HAVE the lead.

    A play here, a play there. yadda yadda yadda.

  49. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There you go, unca just nailed it. We play not to lose instead of playing to win. IMO, there is a huge difference between the two.

  50. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger you’ve never heard me say relevant is good enough.

    I’ve agreed with you that we need to evolve on Offense.
    As NoFear49er has suggested, we’re hitched to the horses that we have.
    Young QB, raw and unpolished, WR issues etc.

    I’m happy to be back in the Playoff conversation certainly.
    Until we get ALL the pieces to perform at a higher level, we’re gonna come up short.

    Would I like to see more scoring? Of course.

    Red Zone issues have plagued us for several years, be it Roman, Harbaugh or the execution factor, we got what we got.

    You say it’s play calling, which is a factor certainly.

    I say there’s a lot to place at the feet of a young QB too.
    We’ll live with the SB loss and Seattle NFCCG results of Kaep forcing yet another important pass to Crabtree, when all the marbles were at stake.

    I’m optimistic that he’ll improve with experience and, hope the same for Harbaugh and Roman too.
    No doubt, the Coaching Staff isn’t any happier about those results than we are.

  51. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, he nailed it, if ‘it’ is a big steaming pile of bullshit.

    It always comes down to the argument of whether it’s on coaching or players with Chuck and Berger. To them, it’s ALWAYS coaching. There are no other factors, ever.

    But the thing that they want to ignore because it instantly destroys their theory is that we’ve played for the past three years doing exactly what Chuck and Berger say we can’t do and win. They keep saying it and we keep winning. Uh, doesn’t take a genius and all that…

    So how do they squirm and side-step and dance around it? Yeah, none of it matters if we don’t win the Super Bowl. I bet it would matter and mightily if we were doing what they were crying about and winning as much as we are now. Who wants to bet they would claim that as the reason for the string of wins and the new winning strategy?

    NJ49er, it doesn’t matter if you’ve never said it. You never said you hated Alex either did you? Wonder why it’s okay to criticize Kaepernick? For some reason that doesn’t get one put in the haters club. At least not yet.

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NoFear49er, no, never hated Alex.
    Simply realized that he had his limitations after giving him the benefit of the doubt for several years.

    It’s a Fan thing for all of us, I get it.
    Frustration leaves us all looking for the answers.

    I see it this way.
    Any Offense is only as good as the play it receives from the QB position, first and foremost.

    Kaep has been learning on the job.
    Nothing wrong with that, except that you’re inclined to get some poor decisions made more often than not.

    Seeing us in Seattle last year showed me that he’s getting better but, there’s always room to improve.
    No knock on Kaep, or the play calling. He’s limited at this point of the process, to what he can and can’t execute, in terms of complexity.

    Crabtree is obviously his security blanket and, everyone, including Sherman and the Seahawks, knew it.

    He’s got to see more options in crunch time.
    I remain optimistic that he’ll continue to improve.

    Alex hit his ceiling, mainly due to arm strength limitations IMO.
    Kaep brings more to the table but, as we’ve seen, he’s gotta improve in the decision making area.
    I have no doubts that he will either.

    I get where Berger and others are coming from, it’s just us being Fans.

    All good to have an opinion but, we’re just observers afterall.

    I try to see the entire enchalada, meaning there’s 11 moving parts on every play and, Coaches trying to get the best from all of them.
    If the QB eliminates options mentally, it impacts the success rate of any given play.
    Hence my concerns about the WR Coach.
    As you suggested, if guys are feeling neglected, it easily can go to the QB as much as the position Coach, or the OC.
    IMO, each play likely has more than one option available to the QB.

    He’s just got to utilize them, if we expect a Defense to respect them all.

  53. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Case in point with coaching is the 2010 Niners vs the 2011 Niners.

    Same team, different results. Why?

    Are we relevant? Yes. Have we won any rings lately? No. And, sorry NoFear, the goal is to win the Super Bowl.

    NJ, the coaching staff as much admitted that on many plays, Kappy has one readm per a link Bullitt posted. That is the design. So, the decision is throw or run.

    Are they moving away from that? Let’s hope so. Because they are limiting themselves.

    What I find funny NoFear, is your holier-than-thou attitide. All I’d like to see is them open things up some. Change up the predictable play calling in the red zone, use more WRs, and you portray my shit as going all in with the Chip Kelly no-huddle empty backfield K-gun Mouse Davis offense.

    Cute but off point.

  54. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t be ridiculous. It’s not never coaching, especially when you have a first-timer with no experience clearly over his head, but it’s not always coaching as you and Berger would have it.

    Forget everything Harbaugh and staff say to the press. Watch what they do instead. You think Kaepernick was forced by the coaching staff to throw to a covered receiver because of a pre-snap alignment? If so, stop watching football right now, or at least commenting on it.

    You’re the one talking about five wide receiver patterns. How many backs does that leave in your world?

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The players have to perform. That statement files under the column of “Brilliant Deductions”. Who on this earth does not know that. Kap’s 4th quarter TOs cost us the game, duh. But we aren’t in the game at that point without Kap and his 100 yds rushing by a QB.

    I keep hearing that we have a great running game, I disagree. We run over weaker defenses but we couldn’t do anything against Seattle or the Cardinals in crunch time at the end of the season. I don’t like the play designs we have for the running or passing game. Players do not design plays, coaches do.

    IMO, the weak link on the 49ers is play design and play calling. Sure the players have to perform, what idiot does not know that. What some fans don’t realize is good play design and play calling make it easier for the players to perform. (See Walsh, Bill). And that has been and will continue to be my point until we improve on what IMO is our weakest link on this team, the play calling. Obviously coach Harbaugh agrees with me or he wouldn’t be “rebuilding” the offense.

    With Bullit and NoFear’s analogy Bill Walsh did not win because he was a great coach and play caller, he must have just got lucky and got better players and out of the blue, they just performed better. I think we all know Walsh made THE difference to our 1980s success. Guess what, he was a coach and not a player. Does anyone think all those receivers running open in patterns was lucky or good play design? What the 49ers need the most is better play design to help the players perform better. It is called “team” because everybody contributes to a “team”, including the coaching staff.

    IMO, play calling is one of the three essential needs of a championship team. Those three are defensive line, QB and play caller. Fill in decent quality around those three and a team will vie for a championship every year, barring injuries. When a team loses a good player on offense it is the job of the play caller to design plays to work around that. Our play calling does not allow for any kind of a decent passing game without star WRs. That is just unacceptable. Hopefully rebuilding the offense has to with changing that and being able to get some rushing yards from our RBs against good rushing defenses.

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  56. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh, Roman, and Kappy ALL said the play to Crabs was THE pre-snap read. That was the designed play based on the coverage. They got single-coverage on Crabs, and that’s where the play went. Patton, Gore, and VD were all open on the left side. Did he glance their way? Boldin was bracketed, half-assed his route, but could have scored had Kappy looked his way early. Why didn’t he? Because the pre-snap read was to go to Crabs if singled up. That’s where the play went. For whatever reason, green-ness likely, they don’t want him thinking too much back there.

    It’s like those 10 yard outs that get picked a lot. Pre-snap read, the corner is off the WR. The corner jumps the route on the snap, pick. It happened in Seattle, and it nearly happened in GB but the CB dropped the ball. We throw that out so much, and teams see our tendencies.

    Kappy’s fault on the play was to put it where Sherman could get to it, It should have been Crabs or OB. The coaches fault on the play was to limit the options. You yourself said that many of the WRs don’t sell their routes when they KNOW they aren’t part of the designed play. What does that tell you about the play? To me that means the play is designed for one guy.

    Which flies in the face of your entire 3:35 post.

    Find a post where I say 5 WRs, NoFear.

  57. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Show me where I made those comments about Walsh.
    I would appreciate it if you would stop making stuff up.

  58. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The play that springs to mind is one where Kappy went to a 2nd read. Baldwin was startled and ducked out of the way of the football coming his way.

  59. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    In other words, there are numerous times where the plays appear to have one read, and one only.

  60. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- You keep saying it is not the coach but the player. I gave you an analogy where the coach made a bigger impact than the players. And then I did what you and NoFear do often, I used a straw man to speak for you two for the purpose of proving the point that the coach does matter. I said what you and NoFear are inferring. I did it for educational purposes! Just call me the Love Berger for the love I and patience I am showing in trying to get the point of play calling matters through your thick skulls. You and NoFear need to understand that coaching does matter as much as the players matter and play calling is a big part of coaching. It is called teamwork. And since you two don’t think play calling matters much I am helping you two see the light. You can thank me later after the epiphany!

  61. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- We have heard former 49er players say if you are not the 1st read you aren’t getting the ball. That is bad play calling in my book. Does it happen every play, no, but enough that it needs fixing. Or as the coaches themselves said, “rebuilding.”

  62. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Figures! I call for an end to ridiculousness only to be buried in it.

    I gotta laugh though at the kings of the straw man argument complaining about straw men!

    Let’s reduce it down to this: According to ChuckBerger, we have the worst play caller in the game using formations that won’t allow any play to succeed. With all that going on how in hell does Roman/Harbaugh put together a string of wins in their first three years unmatched by even the genius himself with any of the great teams he had? Somebody’s wrong and I’m pretty sure it’s the ChuckBerger.

  63. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger to your point about the Walsh/Montana years, I apply that anology to what I’ve wanted more of as well, WCO timing and rhythm.

    The great divide among us here is, the style of Offense employed.

    We all seek those timing routes and elements of the short passing game, which isn’t in our repertoire at present.

  64. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I concur with your assessment that it’s bland and predictable, however, we are seeing positive results in terms of Playoff appearances.

    Certainly, we all want more, Coaches, Players and Fans alike.
    What I suspect isn’t so much Harbaugh changing what Roman does, moreover, I think it’s Harbaugh changing what Harbaugh does.
    He’s taking the heat off Roman via the Press/Media IMO.

    I’m with you about Defense 1st, and, I’d add OLine ahead of the QB by a hair.

    Because we’ve utilized a young and inexperienced QB, he brings the running element to an Offense that features it.
    Hence, Coaches likely cater to his strengths involving the Pistol.

    I have faith that Kaep will learn to expand his vision as Roman/Harbaugh expand the passing options and the Playbook in general.

    We all see a ton of potential with this team now that Harbaugh and Kaep are together.
    It sucks to get close and fail but, for all the years we weren’t relevant, I’ll take this option and these results, until they prove they can’t get it over the hump.
    We’re well stocked with talent, we’re knocking on the door and, it’s time to determine what the next steps hold in terms of Coaching imagination.

    We’re all sharing opinions, nothing idiotic about having one, unless we’re called idiots when we differ on opinion.

    Harbaugh needs to open this thing up Offensively. We agree there’s room for improvement.
    Running wins when it tires a Defense.
    Passing wins when it gives us a cushion to exploit.

  65. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We’re exposed when we don’t have the ability to play keep away and move the sticks to retain TOP.
    Kaep is equally exposed when he’s focused on one target in crunch time.

    It goes to both Coaching and talent at the QB position IMO.
    Montana sh!t the bed with TOs in big games as well.
    It happens.
    Can’t call it a bad play call all the time, anymore than you can call it bad execution all the time.
    Perfection is a tough thing harness.
    I like being in the position to get the shot at greatness.
    Big year ahead.

    Let’s hope it shows that we’re ready to take the prize.

  66. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Absurdio redictium, bud. You want Gore to carry the ball 60 times a game, I want to mix in more 2-3 WR formations on 1st and 2nd down. Especially in the red zone. Mix up the play calling and formations down close.

    Got it?

    No one here is saying the offense is horrible. Only you NoFear, as you build the sandcastle to kick it down.

    I think the red zone offense is too predictable. To you that means 5 WRs Mouse Davis run ‘n’ gun on every play.

  67. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right, NJ. Timing patterns have been MIA for a good 10 years. It’s all sideline outs, SOME crossing routes, and the very rare deep ball to our TE. Ginn was never used as a deep threat. Moss was a decoy 90% of the time. I think Manningham is the leader in slants caught with 4 in the last 3 years. And he didn’t play last year.

    These are the things they don’t do offensively. Really, it’s not like Kappy didn’t throw slants in college.

  68. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Ward explained his interception on the third play of training camp. He said it was a double slant. I almost fell out of my chair. While everybody else was listening about the int, all I heard was ‘double slant’. If we have run one of those since Erickson left I missed it. That was great news! That is already an improvement in play calling. And of course it was intercepted, the players who have been here had never heard of such a thing.

  69. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- A good play caller can strategize around an average O-line, just as long as it isn’t a terrible O-line. Look at what Seattle, Denver and KC did last year. Those were not good O-lines. Maybe, average at best.

    Our O-line has to be great to make up for the bad play calling.

  70. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Let me repeat unca. You equate any 3 or more WR formation as the run and shoot. No straw man, you always take what unca and I say and change it to we want some kind of run and shoot. You can really be a tornado of bullshit sometimes.

    All I ask is for more spacing so we have more room to operate instead always having to show what we are running by the formation we are in. Do I want to pass more? I could care less, I actually like the running game. What I want is to see it work better. Right how with the great O-line we have we should be able to run on any team but that is not true. A big defense who stacks the box stuffs us every time. That is unacceptable and it is what stops us in the play-offs.

    I’m glad Harbaugh seems to have noticed and is “rebuilding” the offense. If Harbaugh was happy with the offense why is he “rebuilding” it? I have always liked Harbaugh as a coach but he gives many reasons to question his play calling. Probably too much Schembechler influence.

  71. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “LaMichael James carted off 49ers practice field with apparent arm/wrist injury.”

  72. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Dislocated elbow.

  73. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “LaMichael James to miss a month.”

  74. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    So much for LMJ Blitz Pickup 101 I guess?

    Paging Ellington/Patton/Wylie to PR squad – Stat.

  75. robNo Gravatar says:

    Thank gawd for carlos hyde

  76. robNo Gravatar says:

    Omg stevie johnson mite b our biggest addition in years ! Imo the new offense is going to be more passing and three wides! Super bowl anyone?

  77. robNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs really just one month? Yes yes yrssssss

  78. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just enough time for him to miss Pre-Season and lose his job to someone else?

    I’m pretty certain he isn’t going to do much as a RB in this Offense.

    He’s a gadget guy that isn’t getting much in the way of gadget plays since being Drafted.
    Where’s those Ted Ginn end around plays?
    There’s something I could see him succeeding at.

  79. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Kappy better be thowin darts.

  80. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Our RBs are asked to plant the foot and run downhill. LMJ has great lateral quickness. Our offense doesn’t have a lot of use for that. We are usually so bunched up a RB has to get up field as fast as possible once he makes his one cut. LMJ needs to be somewhere where spacing is more utilized.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I hadn’t seen this analysis until today.
    We have discussed those last plays against the Ravens in the Super Bowl.
    The pictures will tell you that the play design was not flawed as some here suggest.
    It’s all about running the play called and going through progressions and not freelancing. It’s all about execution
    because on third down Kap should’ve hit the wide open Delanie Walker instead of staring down and locking on to Crabtree.

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    To bust another myth this chart from PFF shows that the Niners ran 33 slants last season which equates to 8.5% of passes thrown.
    The NFL average was 7.7% so the Niners exceeded the league average.
    You can also see that the Niners ran 53 Go routes completing 20 of them for 499 yds (25 yd avg). That busts the myth that they don’t throw deep passes.
    Too much incorrect info is put forth here to advance flawed opinions and viewpoints.

  83. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit the piece from mmqb is essentially what many of us have been citing.
    Young QB, Coaches trying to keep it simple.

    It’s a Catch 22 of sorts because Kaep is a runner.

    Great to have the wheels of course.
    Just think what he could accomplish, if he slows his mental game down a tick, and looks for his options?
    Timing, timing, timing.

    I can’t wait to see the entire puzzle come together for him.

    As the article stated, Defenses force him to think from the pocket.
    For now, he’s too quick to stay there very long, often turning busted plays into positive gains.

    There’s where the argument is made about WRs not looking interested.

    They may just be frustrated with Kaep taking off and not seeing a play through.

  84. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- They did start running some slants when Harbaugh was changing the play calling that was coming in from upstairs, after the Carolina game. I was commenting on the double slant yesterday. We ran plenty of slants in the 2nd half of the season last year. I’ve also never said we don’t throw deep. I’ve always maintained that we throw deep too often out of bunched formations, which give the stacked box too much time to sack the QB when the 1st read is deep. My complaint is bad spacing with our choice of formations. It makes blocking harder and pre snap reads harder.

    There are no games where a mistake by a QB can’t be found. We scored 31 points in the Super Bowl, we should have won. Kap locked on to Crabtree, we have worn that one out, you must have missed that. He still got us 31 points without a running game until Ngata got hurt. Not bad. Since you are trying to run Kap out of town to protect Roman, who is your replacement at QB?

  85. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit is now reading my old posts to see if I ever said we don’t throw deep enough! He’ll spend all day on this project that is so important to him.

  86. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Awfully defensive aren’t we? Was I referring to you? The guy who gives out false info is encouraged by you when you proclaim to all that he nailed it. Just look at the 1:54pm post from yesterday. The suggestion is the Niners have run 4 slants in the last 3 years.
    I’m not the one proclaiming “Super Bowl or Bust”. So if Kap hits Walker on 3rd down we win the game and a sixth Lombardi. We are talking playcalling and play design. The play shows a wide open Delanie Walker. Again with the big excuse
    that Kap is not perfect. Nobody is but when there is a play with a wide open Walker in front of you at the goal line it makes you look like a crybaby when you insist on blaming the
    play called.

  87. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    God are you that bad at math, Bullitt? The Niners throw a LOT less than most teams. Because 8% OF their passes are slants means little when teams throw 350 more attempts.

    Like this:

    50 passes, 4 of them slants = 8%
    250 passes, 12 of them slants = 6%

    Get the idea?

    I never said we don’t go deep either, Bullitt. We go deep with our TE. How many deep balls were caught by out WRs?

    How many deep balls did Ginn catch?

  88. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    As for the deep throws again look at the 1:54pm post from yesterday. He’s your ally, your sidekick.
    Who’s trying to run Kap out of town as you suggest?
    In your zealous attempts to make excuses for Kap, you cannot use the pre snap read excuse of him going to Crabtree as his only choice when clearly the play design had second option wide open. Pictures don’t lie.

  89. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Stat chart was from last season.
    Ginn played for the Panthers so I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

  90. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bullitt, why do you waste so much time trying to nail people in things they have said? Sure, I say shit off the cuff sometimes. Is it to try to fool people? No. This is a blog, not the National Review. I say shit all the time that may or may not be 100% accurate based on anecdotal shit I see over the course of a season. Why? Because this is the team I’ve been fallowing all my life. It’s frustrating to see them get so close and come up short. Then you post your meaningless drivel about shit I said 5 years ago about Crabs.

    Screens and slants are a good case. Or go routes. 25 yards isn’t a deep pass. It may be a go route, but my case about the deep game is 30-40+ yard passes. Does it give you that big a thrill to catch someone who says something that is later disproven?

    It’s very strange to me that you devote so much time to this.

  91. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Please name the team that threw the ball 350 more times than the Niners did last year?
    I call BS hyperbole but that’s usual.
    As usual you back pedal and back off of statements made.

  92. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Delanie Walker would have dropped the ball as usual and there would have been no TD. QBs lost confidence in him. That was too bad he stopped getting looked at. And since we would have left too much time on the clock, if we do score the Ravens come back with one of their own. To say we would have won our 6th is a bit presumptuous. Not to mention the time out called by the coaching staff one or two plays earlier where Kap waltzes into the end zone on QB draw with same said TD. Or the fact that Walker was thrown to the ground on 4th down which should have given us a new 1st down. Your argument is only honed in on blasting the QB and protecting the coach. If you look at the entire picture you would see there was plenty of blame to go around and it was a team loss. Again, who would you rather have at QB that is available?

  93. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca did nail it when he said we play not to lose instead of to win. Looks like unca is in your head.

  94. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, it’s dark and empty in there.

    I’m not backing off anything, skippy. 250. Yay. 659 to 416. See, typos are a part of life on the internets as well.

    Got me good, eh? This was a test to see how fast you’d jump all over the typo. A gold star for you to go with all your brown ones.

    This coaching staff has been here for going on 4 years now. How many 40+ yard bombs have we connected on in that timeframe? 2? 3? I remember one to VD last year, and one to Ginn 3 years ago that was called back due to a Gore penalty.

  95. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Crabtree is the latest guy to squabble in the background regarding his contract. Per Jason Cole of Bleacher Report.

    He and the Niners are very far apart on the numbers. And this has the potential to blow up into a big issue, as Kappy signed HIS deal to make money available to keep Crabs. If the Niners don’t keep hiom, what will that do to Kaepernick? We very well could lose both Crabs and VD after this season, and his team-friendly deal doesn’t help keep those guys?

  96. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger and Chuck are never wrong, there is just some lag time between changing their stance, changing the premise, or changing the rules.

  97. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Or building that straw man. Or disappearing when shit don’t go your way.

  98. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    How do the 49ers lose Vernon Davis after this season when his contract runs to the end of 2015? Must have been a typo.
    According to Maiocco there is no squabble with Crabtree but that could be another typo or the “anecdotal shit”.
    This story written a few hours ago.

  99. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like Looney got into the Imperial Margarine.

  100. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear says I’m never wrong. Even I didn’t know that! I’m feeling smarter already! Add the crown given to me by Bullit that was for 202/20 hindsight! I’ll go with that. Somehow, I feel a roast coming on! LOL!

  101. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Talk to Jason Cole, Skippy. He reported it, not me.

    Yer a f***king typo, skippy. Get bent.

  102. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, the reason why you are never wrong is because you never say anything original. You merely attack what others write and use hindsight as your justification.

    I’ve been wrong about plenty. Thank God you and Bullitt are here to correct typos and fact-check arcane stuff.

  103. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    And you’re wrong again, trollboy. Always the hypocrite making up shit and plagiarizing while complaining about straw men and others not being original.

    Given that you respond with vitriolic disagreement with everything original I post and the number of vitriolic posts under your name, your accusation would seem to be just another instance of your nonsense.

  104. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I can’t wait to see the Niners’ new Run and Shoot offense. Run Frank on 1st. Run Hyde (!!) on 2nd. Shoot the punting team in on 4th, after another low percentage pass attempt on 3rd and long (with Frank in to block and telegraph the play).
    Where’s Mouse when you need him?

  105. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, well there was the time you had Ponder as the top QB in the draft we took Kaepernick. And Singletary as the answer to our problems. And the time…

    But otherwise, yeah, you’re getting smarter all the time.

  106. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Rufus, Frank being in doesn’t telegraph the play. Iupati in front of Frank as the fullback might.

  107. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners sign RB Alphonso Smith who last played for the Cards.
    Brought in to save wear and tear on Gore in training camp and preseason games.

  108. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- I think it was the Singletary-Martz combo that I liked. Martz passed too much, Sing ran too much, together it worked OK. It is like Martz is who got Sing hired and then Sing fired him. Then he hired Raye and we found out how much we were all fooled, including me.

    I think Ponder can play in the NFL. He had a bad offense to run, an SCO. He could be available soon if he doesn’t win the job in Minnihaha.

  109. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Typical Chuckism first making this snarky remark

    “God are you that bad at math, Bullitt?”
    then coming up with this gem
    “I’m not backing off anything, skippy. 250. Yay. 659 to 416. See, typos are a part of life on the internets as well.”

    Tough to watch someone chop their nose off to spite their face.
    But it’s damn funny. LMAO!!!!

  110. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Glad this blog is your life and death, skippy. You are one to rarely go out on a limb (VMcD) so I understanddf why you are such a weenie when you catch others.

    Guess I should turn down the vitriol. Poor little NoFear might get the vapors. Seriously? You’ve never predicted anything, you’ve never made a call on anything other than your hate for Smith, and 95% of your posts are reactions to what other people say. Like I said, is it too much to ask for something original from you? I guess not.

  111. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    About going out on a limb Nostradamus and blogs being life and death as you stated in your last post.
    Let’s not forget your predictions in the past when it was revealed that you make multiple different predictions (say 4 and all wrong by the way) in a futile effort to predict the Niner’s season record. How sad is it that with four different choices/chances you still couldn’t get it right?

  112. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Last year Niners ranked #15 in red zone scoring percentage TDs at 53.03%. Room to get better and improve but not as bad as some would have you believe.
    At #1 Denver 72.73% #2 Bungles 71.43% #6 Raiduhs 59.52%
    #8 Pats 58.11%,#12 Aints 55.56%, #13 Egos 53.23%, #14 Seahags 53.23%.
    Pre Greg Roman 2010 Niners ranked 25th 47.62%.

  113. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Pre Greg Roman was Singletary. Anybody who gets a passing grade when compared to a Singletary offense is a not achieving a passing grade. When the O-line is the best in the league we should be in the top 5 in the Red Zone at the very least. Anything less than that should get the OC on the hot seat or fired.

  114. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Who cares, skippy? I changed my mind. Is that not allowed in your bubble world? I changed my call before the season started. Get it?

    Of course not. You act the childish weenie. Per usual.

  115. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    You asked this question yesterday and directed it at me.
    “This coaching staff has been here for going on 4 years now. How many 40+ yard bombs have we connected on in that timeframe? 2? 3?”

    Seems like you haven’t been paying attention.
    In 2013 V Davis had 4 receptions of 40+ yds, Boldin 3, Crabtree 2 and Miller 1.
    That would be 10 passes of 40 plus yards in 2013.

    Big discrepancy based on “your memory” of 3 in 3 seasons.
    Don’t call this an attack. You asked the question of me. I’m just providing the facts. Sorry if it conflicts with your perceived narrative.

  116. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    So should Chip Kelly be fired ranked #13 and only .20% better than Roman?

  117. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Don’t shoot the messenger.
    It was Skeebers and Berger that pointed out your multiple guesses. In fact you spent an entire day disputing it.
    That was entertaining.

  118. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Chip Kelly doesn’t do anything that unusual with his offense except create a frantic pace and gamble a lot. What is the parameters of your stat? Does it account for just TDs or all scoring, including FGs? With as much as Kelly gambles that would tend to alter the stats. IE, goes for a TD on 4th down instead of a FG. So he gets 7 points every 2 times in the Red Zone instead of 6. He still got more points but went down on the Bullit scale for not being a stat man. Just saying your stat doesn’t mean much without knowing how they were derived. And since Kelly ran a new system last year he gets a little time to get the personnel to understand it.

    Personally I do like the spacing Kelly uses but I think the pace he sets doesn’t help the defense and I believe he gambles too much. I do like the hurry up at times for a change of pace and gambling at times is also good but he just does it in excess for my liking. His offense also sputtered last year in most games until the 2nd time he went with Foles as the starter. If you just look at numbers you can be fooled by them without knowing the whole picture. I would like to know what his third down percentage was in the 2nd half of the season. I would guess it would be much higher, unless he gambled and lost too many times. The one stat by itself is not very useful in Kelly’s situation. It has some merit for a conservative, plodding offense like ours. I think 15th isn’t bad for how predictable we are. It shows how good our O-line is and QB are. Let’s see if “rebuilding the offense” changes that predictability some.

  119. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Shoot the messenger? You gleefully caper over anything anyone posts that you can refute form something 4 years ago. I get it. It’s all you got in life. As far as them giving me shit over changing my call, whoop-de-do. Bergs couldn’t get his ass off the fence for 5 years regarding Alex. I had said there was a major coaching problem years ago. I also thought he was going to split at the 1st opportunity. He didn’t. Even at his 2nd opportunity. Whatever. I soured on Smith as well by 2010. Why? Because I got tired of the results. Loss after loss after loss. Despite the fact he was getting shitty coaching, he would still screw up and lose games. It all got old. I guess we aren’t allowed to get overly involved with our team. You really do act like a 12 year old.

    As far as the passing game goes, I’m talking in the air skippy. Not catch and run. One to VD that travelled ~40 yards, and one to Ginn a few years ago that was called back. In other words, Alex Smith had 3 TDs vs the Raiders to Charles that were 70 years, 40 yards, and 50 yards. They all 3 travelled a grand total of 15 yards in the air. Face it. We don’t hit (or even try) that many deep passes. Yup. Same thing. Got it.

    I understand you can’t see the distinction.

  120. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    15th in red zone scoring is awful if you are to considered Super Bowl caliber team. Not a middle of the road offense happy to reach the playoffs.

    The play to Miller was a wheel route. A 12 yard pass he took down the sideline for 50. My case entirely. You call that a bomb? Laughable, skippy. Like Smith’s dump-offs that Charles took to the house.

    Yeah, our deep threat is our fullback. Good one.

  121. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I’m sorry to hurt your recruiting effort for the Greg Roman fan club but the bottom line is the coaches agree with me that our offense was unacceptable last year. They wouldn’t be “rebuilding the offense” if they were happy with last year’s offense.

  122. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    The team that won the Super ranked 14th and was also .20 better than the Niners. The Bungles ranked #2, Raiduhs #6 and we see how that ranking helped them in their 4 win season.


    I clearly stated the parameters in my post

    The percentage is based on TDs in the Red zone.

  123. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- You are talking a lot but you aren’t saying anything. Why do you think they are rebuilding the offense? Do you think they saw the flaws you can’t see and decided to try and fix them? I’m applauding the fact they noticed and aren’t being hard headed about it like you. I hope I only have another month and a half to complain! In the meantime, you just keep defending the system that the coaching staff themselves are dissatisfied with enough to “rebuild the offense.”

  124. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    I proved my point yesterday on play design.
    It was all in your tepid rebuttal.
    Mr Super or Bust said on a play where Walker was wide open that
    Delanie would have dropped the easy TD and even if he had caught it the Ravens would have come back and marched down the field to win and then you called me presumptious?
    You sound like a guy that just wants to right and has no faith in the Niners and that flys in the face of your pontificating about only you care about winning the Super Bowl.

  125. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Rebuilding their offense? How so?
    What I see is they now how a 3rd competent WR so they might go 3 wide. But again, last year they also went 3 wide just with less talent.
    The only thing that could change is Kap could learn to stay in the pocket and look at 3 options through his progressions. I would not characterize that as rebuilding. The correct word would be tweaking.

  126. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Read that first sentence of your 11:50 post.

    My case entirely. It worked for them. It didn’t work for us. Still going with Miller as our deep threat?

  127. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh, so this is an argument over semantics.

    Rebuilding = tweaking.
    Swing pass = bomb.

    Got it.

  128. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Well, Well. Your last post should tell us everything we need to know. My point yesterday on my rebuttal was that is was a team loss and not all on Kap, as you suggested. You just told us it was about you being right, as you just suggested.

    The only thing you are proving is you believe Kap should not be our QB and Roman should be our OC, at least that is what all your stats are saying.

    I said years ago it takes a QB about 4 years to develop and I still believe that. Do you want to start over at QB or let him develop? It is my opinion that the offensive system we run makes it harder for a QB to develop. Is that the QB’s fault? Luckily we do have Harbaugh who is a good QB coach but we run a system that makes it harder on everyone, even the fans. I am glad to hear we a “rebuilding” the system, I’ll believe it when I see it. Hopefully I have only about 6 more weeks to complain about the system and the play caller. My 20/20 hindsight complete with crown will tell you if they rebuilt it since you don’t seem to know how to tell the difference.

  129. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    43% after the bye week. Extrapolating over the full season would rank the Niners 31st in the league in red zone offense.
    That stinks; I don’t care how much perfume you put on it.

  130. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If going 3 wide vs 22 is tweaking then you must be tweaking.

    That changes everything. If the receivers are really wide then it backs up one or both safeties out of the box and takes another defender out of the box. It gives the playmakers some space to make plays and gives the QB more pre snap reads to choose from. To run the Pistol with 3 wide is how Nevada had three 1,000 yard rushers one year. We run it with three RBs in the backfield and it doesn’t usually work. It that is a tweak then if the Golden Gate Bridge fell down and you had to drive around the bay, that too is just a tweak in your route.

  131. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    (I went through the play-by-play for every game, the results of which I posted on Chuck’s months ago.)
    43%. 31st.

  132. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    You missed the key words “after the bye”. IOW, the Niners got significantly worse in the 2nd half of the season.
    43%. 31st.

  133. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I sorta remember that, RTF. As Harbaugh took more control over the offense we got worse in the red zone? That’s some scary shit.

    If I never see that goddamn diamond formation again, I’ll be a happy man. The Miami game, and the AZ games these last 2 years were flat dull as shit watching them try to do anything out of that formation. In the Miami game we converted ONE 3rd down.

    In the AZ game we controlled the clock for most of the 1st half and were able to kick 2 FGs. One broken play where Whitner and Brown took each other out, and Fitzgerald scores, goodbye lead. This is my problem with the offense.

    Carolina game? Same thing. Get a key turnover in Carolina territory, go wimpy, kick a FG. Control the clock for most of the 1st half, kick another FG. Carolina comes back and scores a TD on a one-play drive. They take the lead.

    Get close, pack shit up, get nowhere, kick a FG. Carolina did the exact same thing when THEY tried to score in that game. Pack shit in and pound it up the middle. Sure, there’s imposing your will. Blah blah blah. Then there’s being a little creative in the red zone.

    When Kappy threw the TD to VD in that game, it marked the first time they threw out of a running formation in the red zone the whole year. It worked. Later, Kappy ran for a score when he ran from a passing formation. THe middle was a little less packed and he scored.

    Funny how that works.

  134. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, going three wide doesn’t force anything on its own. Corners man up, or stay in zone and pass off to a deeper defender. So what? SS and front seven still look in the backfield first.

    If we become more of a “passing offense” then the defenses will be more likely to answer with a nickel or dime package and I think that’s what you want even if you don’t know it. We tend to keep the opposing defenses in their base because that’s what we want. Should make it easier for Kaepernick. Vernon running seams or crosses should help, too, but Kaepernick rarely looks his way if Crabs is in the game. Cure that and the offense will improve quickly.

    Also lets not put too much on narrowly based stats. You can’t take any single play, disregard the context and base broad assumptions on it. Or take a single game to show a trend.

  135. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right. There aren’t that many passing teams that regularly use one WR in their base formation. At least there aren’t any that are ranked higher that 25th in passing offense.

    How is limiting options going to make things easier for Colin?

  136. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    What baffles me is the COACHES are the ones saying:

    “We limited Kappy’s options in our passing game.”
    “We need to get more WRs into the game on 1st and 2nd down.”
    “We need to improve play calling in certain situations.”
    “We need to get plays off faster.”

    Yet you argue against this, NoFear. Berger and I have been railing on this for quite a while. I was saying this on the plash 8 years ago. You and Bullit disregard these facts as you are wont to do, but now it’s coming from the horse’s mouth.

    And you still disagree with it.


  137. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, I can point to plenty of games where the Niners didn’t take advantage of early opportunities.

  138. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And, I said a while ago, I think it has tdirectly to do with the first Seattle game. After Miller dropped a TD pass, Kappy threw a pass behind VD that was intercepted on the goal line. After that we got very conservative in the red zone.

  139. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    After the bye the Niners lost 2 games and then won 6 in a row, 8 in a row if you include the 2 playoff wins. After the bye they outscored opponents 188-127.
    I’ll take the 6 wins in a row anytime and you guys can bitch about the red zone.

  140. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You continue being happy with falling short, skippy.

  141. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The Niners also rode a 5 game winning streak into the bye, with a far higher red zone %. Thus, their ability to score TDs in the red zone was a non-factor in the outcomes of those games.
    Hmmm, loads of possessions based on getting the ball back? TDs longer than 20 yards? Lots of FGs from those red zone attempts? Defensive scores? Can we rely on those things consistently – this season?
    I don’t believe a 43% success rate is anything to write home about, unless there’s a corresponding increase in long TDs. Otherwise, it’s other facets of the team covering up for a glaring deficiency.

  142. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Seahag reserve TE Anthony McCoy was out with a torn Achilles all of last year. Reports are that that injury just happened again at their training camp.
    Just bad luck for him.

  143. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “Dontae Johnson says Brandon Lloyd is the most difficult 49ers’ receiver to cover.”

  144. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Contrary to your belief, I am a fan of the running game. If you can’t run in the play-offs it makes it real tough to be consistent. Especially if the weather turns bad. My main beef is how we run the ball but both the run and passing game are affected by the same Sardine Can formations.

    KC, Philly, Green Bay and Dallas all had a higher YPA in the running game. They all spread the formations. Nevada was the only team in Div 1 history with 3 one thousand yard rushers, they used three WRs. I’m not coming off my stance. If you want to have an efficient run game you need a good YPA. The only reason we are respectable in that category is Kap’s YPA. Take that out and we probably in the bottom half of the league. We were also around 25th in the league for total first downs last year. No percentage can make up for that kind of failure on offense. We are supposed to be a first down plodding team but we can’t even get first downs. The Sardine Can Offense is not a winner.

    Seattle did get away with it because they had a QB that bailed them out with big plays and they had an historically good run stuffing D-line. Plus they did spread it out some. And then in the Super Bowl Manning could not throw a deep pass within 5 yards of his target. Too bad for him they didn’t have a running game. But I think Seattle will digress this year without that D-line.

    We don’t have anything historical going n with our defense, we need a better designed offense. Thank God the coaches realize this and are working on it.

  145. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If one wants to be a stat person one that is more telling than the others is YPA. This is YPA running and YPA passing. When betting this is the first stat I always check if I want to know about an offense. If you didn’t know a QBs rating, look at the YPA, it usually goes hand in hand with the rating. I rate our offense low because our offense only had a 6.5 YPA in the passing game and even though that is probably top 10 it still is not very impressive. Our running YPA is skewed because our QB has such a high YPA when running. Take that away and we are probably bottom 10 in YPA running. Add total first downs which we are about 25th and there is your offense.

    I used to give more importance to TOP but that doesn’t seem as important these days. Like unca said, you spend most of the first half with the ball and get 6 points then the opponent gets one big play and leads 7-6. They go into the half energized and the team with the TOP goes into halftime wondering. I still think TOP is important but I used to rank if above total first downs, not anymore.

  146. robNo Gravatar says:

    Yup with the addition of former bills #1WR johnson as our 3rd Wr, the coaches say they are going to open it up! Can’t wait for this season to start

  147. robNo Gravatar says:

    With crabs, boldin ,johnson at WR. Gore and hyde at Rb. Vernon at TE ,kaep at QB. Not to mention one of the best lines in football. We should be a top ten offense this year!

  148. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- I really didn’t cover your initial premise which is 3 WR don’t do anything on their own. If they are tight that is true, if they are wide, it does make a world of difference.

    If I’m a QB and see single coverage on three WRs lined up wide it is hello big play. Period, end of story. Which is why you won’t see 8 in the box and 3 DBs in man coverage. First, there will be at least 3 bodies vacating the box with single man, since that won’t happen, two or three more players will be assigned to handle the load. So now there is 5 or 6 in the box. The O-line is not out numbered and can take on their blocking assignments much better. It also doesn’t allow to hide blitz packages from close in. Blitzes are practically declared. It gives the QB multiple pre snap reads instead of one. Instead of trying to catch a team by surprise you just keep them off balance. If spaced properly it does make a world of difference all by itself. You run base defense I’ll look to pass, you run nickel I’ll look to run. You try to load the box I’ve got multiple hot reads, instead of one hot read.

  149. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners just waived undrafted QB Kory Faulkner and signed OL Michael Phillip from Oregon St who the Dolphins just released.
    Niners are down to 4 QBs in camp.

  150. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Niners did not put Kendall Hunter on IR when they signed RB Alfonso Smith. They waived OG Fouimalo Fonoti instead today.
    Perhaps they are waiting to see how severe Hunter’s injury is before they seal his fate for the season.

  151. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Can’t put Hunter on IR now without exposing him to waivers.

  152. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Faulkner got cut? I wonder who delivered him the bad news?
    Probably told by an idiot, full of sound and fury.

  153. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, makes no sense. What else are you gonna see lined up pre-snap besides single coverage? Where’s the big play come from? They only sent in a run. And you insist CK7 only sees one guy to go to on a play. Nobody has to vacate the box for the corners to man up. The offense will always be on the short end on bodies in the box. What “blitz packages” do you hide? If you have a DB or a will backer outside of the OT is he blitzing or dropping? If you have a TE outside the tackle is it harder for him to blitz there or easier? What do you mean by “It gives the QB multiple pre snap reads instead of one.”? How easy is it to run double a gap blitzes against the formation you want to see?

    How many teams running what you think is the can’t-miss scheme sat home while two similar run-first teams played for the conference title?

  154. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear it is clear for me. I’m sorry that you can’t see it.

    Both Seattle and SF got the championship on defense and big play ability from their QBs. Seattle’s offense is not much better than ours but at least they do understand spacing a little better. Offense did not carry either team. I think Seattle slips back a little this year without that great D-line. I also think that our coaches are starting to understand what I am talking about and have decided to “rebuild the offense.” It’s a big step for somebody who has been a Schembechler believer for so long.

  155. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, the team is saying they are going to revamp the offense. The coaches are the ones saying they’ve limited Kaepernick on some of the passing game. They are saying they want to utilize more multi-WR sets on 1st and 2nd down.

    What are you arguing?

  156. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Seriously, it’s like talking to a brick wall only it’s a brick wall echo chamber tag team. I say an over-square motor has a more usable torque range and the under-square motors can keep the RPMs up easier and instead of talking crank throws and cylinder bores you say some people can’t see what a beautiful paint job adds to the truck.

    BTW, is that the same coach that said Alex was elite just before he said take a seat son?

  157. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Ported and polished heads NoFear49er?
    Carbureted or fuel injected?

    LMFAO 😀

  158. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  159. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wow, if you can’t tell the difference in those conversations, well, you seriously don’t get it.

2015 Schedule
1. 9/14 vs MIN - W
2. 9-20 @ PIT - L
3. 9/27 @ ARI - L
4. 10-4 vs GB
5. 10/11 @ NYG
6. 10/18 vs BAL
7. 10/22 vs SEA
8. 11/1 @ STL
9. 11/8 vs ATL
10. 11/15 BYE
11. 11/22 @ SEA
12. 11/29 vs ARI
13. 12/6 @ CHI
14. 12/13 @ CLE
15. 12/20 vs CIN
16. 12/27 @ DET
17. 1/3 vs STL
The Harbaugh Scoreboard
49ers: 1-3
  [Not Harbaugh]
Michigan: 4-1
  [Harbaugh, Drevno]
Bears: 1-3
  [Fangio, Donatell]
Bills: 2-2
Cardinals: 3-1
Chiefs: 1-3
Colts: 2-2
Redskins: 2-2
Raiders: 2-2
  [Crabtree, Seely]
Titans: 1-2
  [Walker, Cox]
2015 Prognostications
NJ49er: 7-9
Bakkentom: 3-13
Grumpy: 5-11
Winder: 10-6
Bythorn: 5-10-1
Phil Fan: 6-10
Spitblood: 2-14
RTFirefly: 5-11
Bullit: 6-9-1
Skeebers: 6-10
Rob: 9-7
Chuck: 11-5

2015 Draft Class
1 Arik Amstead, DE
2 Jaquiski Tartt, S
3 Eli Harold, OLB
4 Blake Bell, TE
4 Mike Davis, RB
4 DeAndre Smelter, WR
5 Bradley Pinion, P
6 Ian Silberman, OG
7 Trenton Brown, OT
7 Rory Anderson, TE