The Big Three

Some 49er fans (and a few beat writers) are skeptical that the team will open up the offense this coming season, spreading it out and running 3-wide formations abundantly. After all, Trent Baalke just drafted a couple more big, bruising O-line guys and a fullback sized running back, then tossed in a seventh round fullback pick to boot. Plus, OC Greg Roman has been accused, somewhat insensitively, of purchasing his offensive philosophy from a cave somewhere in Michigan.

Still, Baalke did work a trade for exceptional WR Stevie Johnson, who sports a fairly hefty contract, so you’d have to think he was insane or at great odds with HC Jim Harbaugh to not fully utilize what looks like the best group of wide receivers the 49ers have had since the late ’90s. And that means all three of them (Michael Crabtree and Anquan Boldin being the other two) on the field at the same time.

The offseason did not provide ringing endorsements for Quinton Patton, Dan Kilgore, Kendall Hunter, or Michael Wilhoite. Patton dropped from three to five on the WR depth chart, Kilgore was put on notice that he isn’t the long term answer at center, Hunter can’t possibly see his role increased this year, and Wilhoite might not get to start for the injured Navorro Bowman after all.

I’d have thrown Adam Snyder onto the endangered species list, but he’s been on that list since the day he was drafted. Nine years ago! If he makes the team yet again this year (doubtful with the addition of Jonathon Martin from Miami), he’ll have had a career as long as draft mate Frank Gore. If I was Kilgore or Joe Looney, I’d be taking notes from Adam.

Tough racket, this football shit. If you aren’t a super star, every offseason and draft is like a death watch.




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  1. EarlNo Gravatar says:

    Another year blogging, a new season awaits. Happy birthday, Skeebs!

  2. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Is it your birthday Skeebs? If so, happy birthday!

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    You would think with the acquisition of Stevie Johnson that RoBaugh is starting to see the light. I just hope it isn’t a Roman candle trying to let them see how to redecorate their cave.

  4. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    It is and thanks.

  5. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    From 2012 but explains how Stevie Johnson made Revis and Dicky look ordinary.
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/19/analysis-notebook-week-15-2/

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    From that article Stevie Johnson might share his technique
    of defeating Dicky’s jam which is Sherman’s primary weapon to slow receivers at the LOS.
    The NFL is all about countermeasures.

  7. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I thought the same thing when we get Braylon Edwards. And Randy Moss.

    But yeah, Harbaugh is at the point in his contract where it’s all or nothing. Win it all, or get sent packing. I thinkhe has to rework the offense. If only to move some of those 3rd down pass plays to 2nd and 1st down.

  8. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Grant Cohn: “Jim Brown is a poor man’s Carlos Hyde.”

    Normally, I ignore this clown, but this particular attempt to be controversial is hilariously absurd.

  9. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Browns release Greg Little.
    That leaves them with DT Phil Taylor as the only guy they have left of all the draft choices they got for Julio Jones.
    To say they squandered those picks is an understatement.

  10. robNo Gravatar says:

    Happy birthday skeebs

  11. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    They are fast becoming the Oakland Raiders of football . . .

    Art Modell lives (and dies) in infamy.

  12. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Happy happy, Skeebs . . .

  13. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “49ers rookie BruceEllington was called ‘sensational’ by college coach Steve Spurrier.”

    I know it’s Spurrier and I know words are cheap … but still, a pretty strong word here.

  14. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    It’s your birthday? This is your blog and you have executive power. So technically you’re “Mr. President” of the Outsiders. So that makes this video appropriate.

    I never pass up the chance to slip in a Marilyn. Or slip into for that matter.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3oOVKt0WI

  15. robNo Gravatar says:

    Happeeeeey biiirdayyyyyy toooo yooooooooooo

  16. Mr FletchNo Gravatar says:

    Happy Birthday, Skeebs! Thanks for keeping up this great blog! I never fail to read a post, even if I don’t often comment.

  17. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Pats signed Darius Fleming off the waiver wire.

  18. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Who knew Marilyn would be dead 5 months later, and Kennedy 18 months. Coincidence?

  19. winderNo Gravatar says:

    It’s still your birthday in Hawaiian time. Hope you have a good one.

  20. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks for the B-day wishes yesterday, Outsiders.

  21. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    It doesn’t sound like Aldon Smith gets it. He’s complaining that people are painting him as a “thug.” The actual portrait, Aldon, is “alcoholic.”

  22. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    That is what I was thinking when I read the article, that not many think Aldon is a thug but instead that he has a drinking problem. Hopefully the problem is that he is young and will learn from these mistakes. That is the unknown that only time will tell.

  24. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    How many of you had had a house party where one of your guests stabbed you and you had to disperse the crowd with gunfire?
    Aldon thinking things out for possible consequences would be the right thing to do.
    It’s all about choices and driving into someone’s yard and crashing into a tree was a crappy choice at sunup.

  25. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- Those incidents were while drinking. He shouldn’t drink. Most of us get drunk and say stupid things, he gets drunk and does stupid things.

    Even when I’m drinking I know to not fire my guns or drive a car, Aldon had yet to see the wisdom of those things. He did make a decision to have a big party and charge admission, he probably did that while sober. It’s a combo of drinking and youth. For the drinking he can stop. For the youth he needs to just grow up.

  26. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    49ers signed another draft pick. 6th rd pick Acker.

  27. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    So Robert Mathis is blaming his positive PED test on the fact that he and his wife were having trouble conceiving and he was seeking fertility assistance. I’ll give him credit. That’s a new one.

    Mission accomplished. He and his wife are expecting. Now he can spend his 4-game suspension changing diapers. One big pile of shit on top of another.

  28. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like the Belmont will finally get some ratings this year.

  29. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Berger is drinking tonight. Anybody want to confab? 49ers, music, anything but politics or religion. Maybe a coupe of ‘F’ bombs! I could always equate Roman and NoFear as offensive geniuses! That’s always fun! LOL! Difference being I love NoFear being around and want Roman replaced. Anybody ever notice you never see both of them in the same place at the same time!

  30. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Alex Smith!

  31. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Belated Happy Birthday Skeebs –
    I’m late to the party but, hope it was a good one.

  32. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger Alex Smith is now best remembered for his value to the 9ers in Trade returns.
    Ala Matt Schaub, 9ers got healthier once they parted company.
    Thank You Andy Reid.

  33. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    As for your music request –
    I’m working with Robin Trower tonight.

    Good tunes if you have any handy.

  34. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m drinking vodka cran-rasberry 100% juice. I’ve got it on inside info that Del is drinking the exact same thing about 210 miles away. Hopefully he hasn’t passed out yet. He had over a few hour head start.

  35. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Can’t go wrong with The Stones either.
    Party On Garth…….

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s a debate option for you.

    Do you think it was possible that the Draft date(s) being changed had anything to do with sticking it to the Agents, to get deals done quicker for Camp attendance?

    Seems a little coincidental to me that so many of the Draftees are inked so quickly.
    Can’t recall this sort of Contract negotiation success occurring this quickly in recent years, if ever.

    Just sayin’……..

  37. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- I just played Let It Bleed/Rolling Stones. I’ve got Driving Toward Daylight/Bonamassa on now with Dust Bowl going next. That could be all I’ve got for the night. We’ll see.

    Alex’s blog power is fading but it did lure you in! I say Alex was and is a good QB. Problem was he had butt head coaches in Nolan and Singletary. Complete failures head coaches but everybody blamed the QB. No QB in the history of football could have excelled with those two as leaders.

  38. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- No, I don’t believe that. The draft was moved because of the a show at the same venue.

    The reason the contracts are being signed faster is the new CBA. Last year the CBA was new and many players waited to see what would happen. When the results were that it didn’t help them get a better deal the players are signing faster this year to get the bonus money in their hands a couple of months sooner.

  39. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    OK – I’m tapped then.
    Alex saved Cap space while allowing Kaep the chance to polish his craft.
    I gave it a shot.

    Can’t go wrong with Joe though.
    Clapton is another favorite of mine.

  40. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’m having my doubts about the Radio City scheduling conflict too.
    Seems to me the Draft was a slam dunk.
    Especially when we hear of the afore mentioned venue being cancelled.

  41. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- I’ve got a potential debate for you. Do you endorse Greg Roman as an effective OC that makes a difference for a Super Bowl push?

  42. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The afore mentioned dates were cancelled way after the NFL draft dates were set. IMO that venue is going to lose the NFL draft over that fiasco. I think what it did was give the NFL the idea to take the draft on the road. I think that venue just lost 3 reliable dates each year, 4 if the rumor is true that the draft is going to expand one day.

  43. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Roman is too conservative Berger.
    Be it he or Harbaughs’ doing, they won’t get over the hump unless they keep Kaep in the pocket and/or use more play action.
    Ball has to be in the air more in the Red Zone IMO.

    Maybe the addition of Stevie will help?
    He has been money against guys like Revis in the AFC East.
    We’ll see…..

  44. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Story I heard is that Jolly Roger wants to move free agency up to mid March and leave the draft in early May, thus making the season year round.

    I think Harbaugh has no choice but to open things up this year. He’s in his contract push year. He doesn’t win it all, he stands the chance of being shown the door. Ergo, open the passing game up. Some. Because, close but no cigar is still no cigar.

    The draft didn’t give me much hope though. At some point these guys will utilize their weapons.

    Trower is always a good choice. Saw him at the old Winterland back in the 70s.

  45. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I also feel that we need to work the edges more with a screen game.
    That too could depend on Kaep learning to reel the cannon in a lot more.
    He’s a flame thrower.
    Needs to develop the touch portion of the QB game as well.

  46. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bridge of Sighs is a go-to driving CD . . .

  47. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Looking forward to the Lattimore/Hyde backfield too.
    If we can get those 2 to handle blitz pickup reliably, the play action has potential to be devastating.

    Once again, I’ll believe it when I see it.

  48. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Trower Living Out of Time is a good one too Chuck.
    2004 studio version and the 2005 LIVE version are worth a listen.

  49. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Kaep is such a weapon at his age and pre injuries that the game plan has to include him running. Especially since he doesn’t take hits like RGKnee.

    You bring up the ultimate question for me, is Roman’s obtuseness really Harbaugh. IMO it is more Roman than Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh is loyal to a fault and Roman is killing him. Roman is nothing but a NoFear when it comes to play calling.(Who loves you NoFear!)

    When I heard Harbaugh was intercepting calls going into the field last year and changing them it made me feel my opinions were accurate. I kept commenting about how the play calling improved after the Carolina game. Many said it was Crabtree but the play calling improved before Crabs came back. He was definitely an improvement, especially when the play caller relies on the Sardine Can Offense and isolation plays. Roman has to go, even if he really is NoFear in disguise!

  50. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Been trying to secure tickets for the Nov 16 game vs the NYG.
    Suddenly all my connections want to fleece me for access.
    Guess in years past they felt confident in winning the matchups.

    Not so much this time around perhaps.
    See how it shakes out.
    Plenty of time between now and then.

    Me thinks they feel a little intimidated now 😀

  51. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Roman can’t design a good screen game. Bubble screens are the only thing that works for him. Then he goes to it so often it stops working.

    Alex could not throw a screen pass here. He goes to KC and instantly becomes the best screen thrower in the league. What changed, the play caller.

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well Berger, that certainly could explain the reason for so many Offensive huddles taking it to the wire now couldn’t it?

    Harbaugh is an Old School smashmouth Coach as we know but, I’d agree with your assessment that running gets much easier when you spread things out.
    3 years of getting close has to open their collective eyes to one simple fact.
    It wasn’t enough to win it all.

    Especially when I look back to the SB and we forced 3 consecutive calls to Crabtree.
    That was a spot where running Frank could have turned the tables.
    The proverbial reversal of philosophy bit them in the backside perhaps?
    Look at the NFCC game last year too.
    Taking a shot on a pre-snap read?

    Horse puckey.
    Just lousy play calling in the most important series of the game.

  53. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve bought most of my 49er tickets on Stub Hub. Give it a try.

  54. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- You and I are in concert in regards to your 11:09 post.

  55. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Haven’t missed a game in NJ for almost 20 years.
    I’ll figure something out.

    I know many guys that are Season ticket holders for both the NYG and NYJ.
    Someone usually comes through.
    Plenty of time.

    One good friend of mine has a killer tailgate.
    Worth the trip just to hang with his crowd.
    Now I have a Grandson that wants to attend too.
    Years ago I only 2 or 3 tickets for me and the boys.
    Now it’s gotten to 4 or 5.
    Tougher to score them together.

    We’ll figure it out.

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of “You And I” in concert:

    http://youtu.be/-jctij-uBUQ

  57. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    And of course….Too Rolling Stoned – LIVE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzcteihsckw

  58. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Takers get the Honey –
    Givers sing the Blues.

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s an obscure song I always loved. The guitar lead is two part and different. This is a song that should be played loud, at least for the guitar lead:

    http://youtu.be/WpOYFDHvwbM

  60. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t make me put ‘Baby’s on Fire’ on

  61. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Robin Trower is considered one of the pioneers of underground rock and roll which IMO is what the blues is these days. The king of underground rock was Pink Floyd. Good guitar leads are no longer main stream, except for us old fogeys!

  62. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs for all the play calling im[provement over the season, I still have a big problem, with the red zone calls. I think the Carolina playoff game was the first time I saw us throw out of a running formation (score) and run out of a passing formation (Kappy scremble, score).

    It drives me batshit crazy when we pack the line and try to run on the goal line.

  63. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of underground! Put “Baby’s on Fire’ on!

  64. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Agreed Berger.

    Newer musicians bow in reverence to the guitar masters of our generation.
    As well they should.

  65. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- It’s Cave man football. I didn’t come up with that term, NoFear did in paraphrasing my analogies. NoFear comes up with some good shit, even if I rarely agree with him.

  66. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We need a like button on this blog, I’m loving these posts and would like to give a thumbs up!

  67. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of Let it Bleed Berger – Monkey Man LIVE –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CrCTndkKc

  68. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Same show – Another classic –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRot9IjNSso

  69. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Great selection. Monkey man is my favorite Rollng Stones song, followed by ‘Can’t You Hear Me Knocking’. My opinion has always been if you play ‘Can’t You Hear Me Knocking’ and don’t feel like partying, just go to bed:

    http://youtu.be/3fa4HUiFJ6c

  70. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s some Old School/New School Republican Rock for you Berger –
    The Nooge –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTCAIu005TE

  71. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I want to shoot some of those guns!

  72. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- What did you think of the Posies song?

  73. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Or perhaps you might enjoy Old School Rock meets Rap?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0Fl2MnV5Y

  74. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Very good Berger –
    Music night with Skeebs……

  75. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    How about some Swamp Rock – Sonny Landreth – Congo Square –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCmBAn-2hTA

  76. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- I went to Sound Master Recording Engineering School. We held classes on some famous boards and studios. We recorded on the Harrison board right after Fleetwood Mac used it to record Tusk. After graduating I was asked to go on a world tour with The Gap Band. I turned it down because I had just bought a house and had a good job. I have to admit, that would have been fun, even though I didn’t care for the music. I always did like the song You Be Illin’ by run DMC. Here is probably the most famous song by The Gap Band song:

    http://youtu.be/saHMPRB30uQ

  77. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Another Classic – Skynyrd –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ_aTjXObs

  78. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Gap Band was excellent Frat music back in the day Berger –
    Platform shoes and booze Brother 😀

  79. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Loved The Funk Days.
    George Clinton, Ohio Players, Parliament and the rest –
    Good times.

  80. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I just don’t like this kind of music but for some reason I love this song!

    http://youtu.be/Cb7594F6ffE

  81. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s a song I love – with Beth Hart helping out Warren Haynes –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWX-f6Ez44U

  82. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Love this one too – Creed – Higher

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHcYaS3m1c4

  83. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Jeesh- When you bring up those names maybe I didn’t hate the music as much as I remember? What about Rick James, Earth Wind and Fire, and Kool and the Gang!

  84. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Beth Hart is sultry! Boy I’d like to ….!

  85. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just give me some Warren Zevon or IZ and I’m good. Of course I’m the only one who can explain why we run the ball on every play and still win more games than anybody else, too.

  86. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Who is IZ?

  87. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Israel Kamakawiwoʻole aka Bruddah Iz.

  88. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I must get to bed. I’ll leave ya’ll with a great Kool and the Gang song:

    http://youtu.be/AYOJX-fuKqM

  89. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well one thing is certain, us 9er fans enjoy a wide range of music.

    Good call NoFear49er –
    Warren Zevon – Bring Lawyers, Guns and Money.
    Classic –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM

  90. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Even has the Hawaiian ‘Hang Loose’ gesture going.
    He’d make an excellent Nose Tackle too I think 😀

  91. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    He’d make for a good hockey goalie. If he just sat in front of the net nobody could score!

  92. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Good night all. Thanks for the confabulation!

  93. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Some big Boys out there in Hawaii.
    Got me a ‘Hang Loose’ hat when we were there some years back.
    Great place to do it too.

  94. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Later Berger –
    Heckuva Saturday night music blog tonight.

  95. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NJ49er! Good stuff. Too late for big Iz. Those were his ashes getting dumped in the surf.

  96. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry to hear that NoFear49er.
    How old was he?

  97. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Geez – I just looked it up.
    38.
    Damn.

  98. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    His bio says he weighed as much as 767 lbs.
    Wow!
    I’d have to guess his heart had a helluva time keeping up with that weight.
    Way too young to meet The Maker.

  99. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Pretty tough to survive long carrying that weight. We each make our choices I suppose. Amazing voice and he somehow played the hell outta that uke he made look like a little toy.

    playing at the packed “mini” Garden.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu-fRUzxVs4

  100. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Obviously enjoyed his life NoFear49er – Short as it was.
    Gentle Giant comes to mind.

  101. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I do recall the Island tradition of poi being used extensively with the traditional pig roast when we attended the event in Maui.

    If I have it right, it was a very starchy item.
    Cholesterol levels couldn’t be too healthy if one consumed that on a daily basis.

    But, if I ever had the choice of a place to live and eventually die, Hawaii would make the top of my list.
    Heaven on Earth IMO.

  102. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Beautiful place, no doubt. I could get used to it. And the Spam.

  103. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    All of these music videos have slowed this thread down.

  104. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That Posies song sounds a little like Alice in Chains circa Sap. Much different guitar sound tho.

    Good stuff all around. Never saw Brudda IZ, but did catch Kapena playing in Maui around 2004? Not a huge Hawaiian music fan but they were cool.

  105. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Spam is good it’s just that no one really knows what’s in it. There is a health conscious environment here now but some traditions are just hard to break. It seems like there is a Dialysis treatment center about every two miles. Anyway, I would love to move back to the mainland and probably will in the next couple of years. Somewhere in Oregon or Northern Ca.
    .
    I am so glad to be a Niner fan and I love the way our team is continuing to be upgraded. These last few years I always felt our loses in the big games was because our coaches were not as prepared as our opponents. But, hopefully that changes this year.

  106. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Another version of a favorite song by Joseph Fidler Walsh without the Egos. Joe will be 67 years old this year. Party on Joe!!!
    http://www.guitar-tube.com/watch/joe-walsh-lifes-been-good

  107. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2017 Schedule
Sept. 10: vs Carolina: L 3-23
Sept. 17: at Seattle: 9-12
Sept. 21: vs. L.A. Rams: L 39-41
Oct. 1: at Arizona: L 15-18
Oct. 8: at Indianapolis: L 23-26
Oct. 15: at Washington: L 24-26
Oct. 22: vs. Dallas, 1:05 p.m.
Oct. 29: at Philadelphia, 10 a.m.
Nov. 5: vs. Arizona, 1:05 p.m.
Nov. 12: vs. N.Y. Giants, 1:25 p.m.
Week 11 — Bye
Nov. 26: vs. Seattle, 1:05 p.m.
Dec. 3: at Chicago, 10 a.m.
Dec. 10: at Houston, 10 a.m.
Dec. 17: vs. Tennessee, 1:25 p.m.
Dec. 24: vs. Jacksonville, 1:05 p.m.
Dec. 31: at L.A. Rams, 1:25 p.m.
 
2017 Draft Class
1. DE Solomon Thomas
1. ILB Reuben Foster
3. CB Ahkello Witherspoon
3. QB C.J. Beathard
4. RB Joe Williams
5. TE George Kittle
5. WR Trent Taylor
6. DT D.J. Jones
6. LB Pita Taumoepenu
7. CB Adrian Colbert
 
2017 Prognostications
Bullit: 5-11
Chuck: 9-7
Grumpy: 4-12
Mr Fletch: 5-11
NJ49er: 6-10
Rob: 9-7
RTFirefly: 5-11
Skeebers: 6-10
Winder: 4-12

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