Dollar Daze

Four days left until the Free Agency period begins and the 49ers have re-signed only one of their twelve pending FAs — Anquan Boldin. Prominent among the unsigned players are K Phil Dawson, SS Donte Whitner, and CB Tarell Brown

So, it looks like the next four days will feature a flurry of eleventh hour signings, or the team will need to find another CB, a kicker, and once again cringe at the potential opening day announcement, “Starting at SS for the Niners is Craig Dahl.”

Now that the contract status of Jim Harbaugh has been beaten to death, the football world is weighing in from coast to coast on the contract status of Colin Kaepernick. Unless Kaepernick follows in the steps of Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, and Navorro Bowman by accepting a team friendly lucrative deal, as opposed to a screw everybody lucrative deal, it’s unlikely he will get an extension this year. He’ll have to muck along at $900,000+ for one more season.

What happens next year, when his current contract expires, depends on what happens next year on the field. If he wins the Super Bowl, he’ll get his mega deal and everyone will be happy. The rest of the team will have its ring and can then starting leaving the team to be overpaid somewhere else. The Front Office will have a Lombardi trophy and ten years of cachet as a “winning” franchise. Maybe Kaepernick will even win another SB down the road. Who knows?

If he doesn’t win a SB next year, his value slips a bit, perhaps not in his own mind or his agent’s, but with the team and its fans. Then we do the mega deal dance all over again. If nothing can be resolved, the 49ers can use the franchise tag on Kaepernick in 2015, 2016, and probably even 2017. That forces Colin to bet against a career threatening injury for as much as four years before he can go to the highest bidder.

Personally speaking, that seems like a dumb choice. But I’ve never had the opportunity to thumb my nose at $15 or $18 million a year while insisting on at least $20 or $22. Still, somewhere in that four year window, a deal seems likely. Or it’s enough time to find and prepare a replacement.

IOW, relax, fans. Kaepernick isn’t going anywhere any time soon.




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101 comments on “Dollar Daze
  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We’ve heard stories on both ends of the spectrum. Kap wants a team friendly contract, the starting point is 18 mil and now he is over 22 mil. One is probably true but which ne? I’m not going to worry about this for now, it will work itself out in time. Like Skeebs said, Kap isn’t going anywhere soon. I’m more worried about our FAs and who is going to replace them if they leave. More than that, I’m worried if Roman will ever learn the importance of not being so outnumbered when running between the tackles.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Reposting as I didn’t realize you had a new thread.
    I think we all are echoing a fair deal for both sides and not getting too greedy.
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    If the Niner FO lets Kap play out his current contract and then puts the franchise tag on him for 2015 ($18 mil) they’ll have control of Kap for $9 mil a year. Franchise him again in 2016 ($21 mil) and they would have Kap for 3 years @ $13.3 mil a year.
    Niners can franchise Kap for a 3rd year @ $26 mil which puts the yearly average at $16.5 mil for control of 4 more seasons until 2018.
    You have to think back to when you first heard of the Cutler and Romo contracts announced. Most of the reactions were the Bears and Cowgurls were pretty stupid to overpay less than elite players this kind of coin. Not sure why smart teams should follow stupid teams that set a false market bubble.
    The comparable QB to Kap is Rothlisberger and the 8 year deal he signed that averages $14 mil a year $35 mil guaranteed.
    Their stats are on a similar trajectory (actually Rothisberger’s far superior) and Ben has been to the Super Bowl 3 times winning 2 so that cherry picked playoff record goes out the window as a Kap talking point.
    Both Rothlisberger’s and Tom Brady’s contracts are fair to both the player and the team and allows them keep some players although their teams are almost past their prime.
    If the starting point in Kap’s mind starts at $18-20 mil than Kap should expect to be franchised and forced to show what he can do because the Niners can keep him through 2017 at less than what he’s asking which gives them leverage.

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    If they wait a year it will be interesting to see what kind of contracts Cam Newton, Russell Wilson and Andy Dalton sign on for.

    Dallas can’t afford to keep some of their best players like Demarcus Ware and Miles Austin. The notion that they might sign Kap is just a talking point because they are commited to Romo for the next 5 years and they restructured his contract where in 2015 they take a $27 mil dollar hit on the cap. Mr Jones has screwed himself by managing his roster poorly.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Another Florio rumor but this one might have some teeth.
    His second point makes sense that the Niners just want to drive the price up since Bennet is looking for over $10 mil a year.
    This makes it harder for the Seahags to re-sign him.
    I suppose the Seahags can use the same tactic with Whitner but they need to re-up with Earl Thomas and already have Chancellor.
    Like the third option where he joins the Bears.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/07/49ers-could-make-a-run-at-michael-bennett/

  5. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Your numbers are way off, Bullitt. The salary cap for QBs in 2015 is likely going to be around $24-26 mill with RG III-XIII, Cam Newton, and Russell Wilson getting deals before 2015. Franchise him again, and that number goes up to around $28-$32 mill based on the 120% pay rate for the exclusive tag. Which the 49ers will give him. 3 years in a row of exclusively franchising Kappy results in a 144% pay rate compared to the top 5 QBs in the league at the time. $36 mill?

    Right. There’s how you build a winner. A highly unfriendly cap hit 3 years in a row.

    Not gonna happen. If they franchise him once, his numbers will be off the chart because someone WILL overpay for his services. And it won;t be York.

    If they let this play out, they are shooting themselves in both feet.

  6. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Worthlessberger’s 6 year $87 mill deal at the time (2010) was one of the top deals for QBs. He was coming off a 6 year/$22 mill contract in 2004. It’s pretty easy to take a team-friendly deal when your first 2 NFL deals bank you ~$100 million.

    Kappy’s rookie deal nets him $5 mill. There’s no comparing these.

    Ther Niners can’t afford to hedge their bet. It is either pay him now or lose him later.

  7. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Florio:

    The negotiations already are occurring, discreetly and hypothetically.

    In other words, my whole article is poppycock.

  8. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The salary cap rises when everyone overpays.
    The salary cap for 2015 will be based on 2014 salaries so there won’t inflated numbers.
    Seems like some people are in a panic mode to pay whatever is asked.
    Someone leaked the $18 and $20 mil floor number to the Boston Globe. This high number only benefits one side. That’s why to categorically state that this figure did not come from Kap’s agent or PR firm shows how naïve one can be.
    Amounts to a daily helping of bologna.

  9. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Well, do you think (insert unnamed QB here) can lead us to the Super Bowl in 2015? Because if kaepernick’s franchised, he’s gone.

    The floor is set. The floor is Romo, Ryan, and Culter. Those are hard numbers, not hype.

    Interesting numbers here:

    http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/2015/average/quarterback/limit-25/

    Switch the view to cap hit, and be amazed.

  10. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If everyone’s overpaying then no one is overpaying. The numbers are real. And this is the price of doing business in the NFL these days. The owners are lucky as hell in this regard. They have a rookie cap now.

    Alex Smith had a $50 million deal in place before he threw a pass in the NFL. Kappy’s deal? $5 mill. They have to pay hiom now or lose him.

  11. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Thos cap numbers in the sportrac thing glowingly reference what a complete dipshit Jerry Jones is.

  12. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    This becomes a question of, do the 49ers think Kaepernick is the QB of the future or not. If they do, they will pay him. If they don’t they will franchise him. If they franchise him, the Niners will be looking for a replacement, as Kappy will think they don’t want him going forward.

  13. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The new CBA also factors in the average of the last 5 years of salary which brings the franchise number down and makes it more viable.
    Kap won’t be happy and is going to bolt? Is he going to join Goldson and lose games in Tampa Bay?
    These guys are professionals. Jimmy Graham is fighting the Aints to be designated as a wide receiver. If he loses will he stop catching passes? If you quit on a team like Josh Freeman did your value goes down the toilet.
    Look at Tarell Brown. He came back and played with broken ribs even though the team got him on a technicality of his contract and took away $2 mil. He was a pro’s pro and showed the NFL a lot.
    If it comes down to just playing for the money than Kap should find a sucker team to give him that huge payday but he’ll never
    have talented teammates to win the Lombardi.

  14. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Get well Del! Del’s broke his foot and is on IR. Del always wanted to be cast in a movie but so far only his foot has made it into a cast.

  15. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The QB position has a little more control over the success of the team, Bullitt. Any number of teams can sign him and build around him, and be contenders very quickly. Look at the Niners pre and post 2010. Look at KC without Alex, and with him. BTW, I wonder what he gets there in KC. $15 mill? $18? He’s getting a big fat raise himself.

    Del hurts humself more than any 3 football players. And he’s a slug. Who knew being a couch potato was a contact sport?

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Alex Smith is due to be paid $8 mil total by the Chiefs in 2014.
    Unless he gets a new deal that’s half of what you’re claiming he makes.
    You don’t seem to get that a lot of the Niner players have taken pay cuts to keep the team together.
    Why is Justin Smith giving the Niners a cap friendly contract where he earned $3.5 mil in 2013 just so Kap can ask for $4 mil more?
    Last football I saw from him was 3 turnovers on the last 3 possessions. Let’s reward him for that.
    I see there’s a double standard again. Rothlisberger has been to 3 Super Bowls and won 2 but that fact is slow played. Yet I constantly hear that Montana and Young have lost more playoff games than Kap.
    I would structure a contract that starts at $11 mil and gives him incentive bonuses where he can earn an extra $6 mil.
    You can’t give a guy a top five salary that’s never earned All pro or been to a Pro Bowl. When Kap makes the other players around him better than he deserves the big payday. So far too much bologna and no cigar.

  17. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Totally misinformed??
    Just like Aldon Smith as first round draft picks Cam Newton and RG3 are still 2 and 3 years away from new deals because teams can add a year to their original deals if they choose. RG3 would be in the same year as Andrew Luck looking for a deal.
    Wilson can’t negotiate a deal until next season is over.

  18. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    KC is talking restructure, skippy. It’ll happen.

  19. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    KC is talking resturcturing now, skippy.

    J Smith is near the end of his career. And he’s a D lineman for God’s sake. There’s a little diff, eh?

    Worthlessberger’s deal was one of the richest at the time it was signed 4 years ago. As it is, Pittsburgh wants to restructure it NOW for less of the $19 million cap hit they are taking. Not sure why you point to that as a good deal. It isn’t, and Pittsburgh is hogtied right now.

    $11 mill? You are daft. Looney. A few brick shy of a load. The elevator doesn’t reach the penthouse. What has Ryan done? Or Cutler? Romo? Have any of them elevated their team to Super Bowl wins? No. Ksappy has played 1.5 years andf has more playoff wins than all of them combined. They all get $15 mill and up. Sanchez and Bradford get $13 mill. And you want to give him $11 mill? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Brilliant. I suppose Crabs is due $16 mill for himself. Right?

    Maybe you should start watching the games. Because if you think he’s worth $11 mill, you haven’t seen a goddamn thing.

    Throwing money at him is a leap of faith. Yes, they have to hope that Kappy progresses this year. And beyond. But the alternative is starting over in 2015. $11 mill? You are sofa king far off as to be trolling. You have obviously never negotiated anything in your life if you tyhink that is even in the realm of discussion.

  20. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Franchising Kaepernick is tantamount (equal to, skippy. You’re welcome) to saying we don’t think you are for real.

    Add to the fact the Niners draft a QB this year, likely in the 3rd round, then Kappy’s thinking they don’t think I’m the guy. I’ll shop around after the season. He can then pcik and choose the best offer with the best team. And they will not franchise him in 2015 for the reasons I already stated.

    Pro Bowl? Are you serious? It’s a fricking popularity contest. Yeah, I’m basing what to pay our star QB on whether he does or doesn’t make the pro blow. Yer cute whrn you try to troll.

  21. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The alternative is not starting over in 2015, Chuck, it’s franchising him. Same for 2016. Stop being an alarmist.

  22. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I can’t imagine 11 million is a number that is even a way out there number. Low balling like that would just tell him your out of here after next year. I would think 15 or 16 is what the 49ers are offering and what’s the difference if he gets it now or in pre-season. Kap might have had 3 TOs in the 4th quarter vs Seattle but who actually believes we would have been there without him. The way he got critical 1st downs at the most important times at the end of the GB and Carolina games were as clutch as clutch gets. He’s bailed out our poor play calling so often I don’t know what more a fan can be watching when they say he has more to prove. He’s the QB we are latching onto IMO and if not another team will pay him. I’m sold, apparently some are not. We’ll see if the 49ers are sold. Get ma a better play caller so Kap doesn’t have to be in so many low percentage 3rd down situations and then he’ll be elite.

  23. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Frachising him for 2 years costs what, $45 mill? As a direct hit to the cap? Verrrry doubtful.

    Say what you will, but Brees was furious at being tagged. The Saints were backed into a corner after a protracted fight, and signed him to a 5 year, 100 mill deal. Brilliant.

  24. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Alarmist or not, some people apound here certainly can’t fix stupid.

    Believe it or not, players like to get the sense that the team they bust ass for wants them and appreciates their efforts. Tagging your starting QB for 2 years in a row is not only unprecedented, it’s like saying, eh, someone better might fall into our laps. Beyond the fact that it would lay to waste the cap numbers for the team for 2 years.

    So we have $11 mill from Bullit on one side, and franchising Kappy for 2 years from Skeebs. Both get him out of here after this season.

  25. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, the entire scenario is you’re bleeding about is a year or two away. That’s plenty of time to work out a contract. The 9ers are good at these things. If they can’t work something out in two years, it means they don’t want Kap or he’s demanding way too much. Right now, he’s signed through next season and we’ll see what happens along the way.

  26. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    And there’s absolutely no way at all he’s out of here after 2014. None. Zero.

  27. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    When I said $11 mil I also said PLUS incentive clauses for $6 mil making $17 mil achievable. He’ll be rewarded for his achievements and at least get a $10 mil raise from the $1 mil he would’ve made.

  28. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Aints are trying to trade Sproles but nobody’s biting because of his salary so they will probably release Sproles and Lance Moore.
    This is their second wave of cutting key players.
    Brees has a cap hit of $18,400.00 this season and it goes up to $26.4 mil in 2015 and $27.4 mil in 2016. This is what happens when you overpay.

  29. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I see a list of overpaid underachieving QBs that you yourself have said “haven’t done anything”.
    So if other teams have made that mistake should the Niners be lemmings and follow suit?
    And again with your namecalling? Grow up! I ignored you deliberately for several weeks even though you were trolling for a reponse.

  30. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Dobbs has been tendered.

  31. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Jimmy Graham reacting to all the moves the Aints are making to accommodate a new contract for him with the burden of Bress’ huge deal.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/07/graham-shocked-and-disappointed-by-saints-offseason-moves/

  32. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    They put up a goal post at Levis’ Stadium
    http://tinyurl.com/m6nmqdc

  33. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, it’s a year away, skeebs. You are ready to start over at QB for 2015?

    All the eggs in one basket? Very short-sighted.

  34. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, it’s a year away, skeebs. You are ready to start over at QB for 2015?

    All the eggs in one basket? Very short-sighted.

    Bullit, how much does Crabs get? He wants $15 mill a year at least. When Kappy leaves, who throws him passes? Beth-El Shalom?

  35. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yer the picture of restraint, skippy.

    The fact that Dallas, NO, and Chicago wrote up shitty contracts isn’t a worry to Kappy OR the Niners. The deal is, do you pay the guy or not? Someone will. That is the constant.

    If they don’t act the least bit interested in signing him, a la franchising him, he will take the best offer from someone else.

  36. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, what happened when the Saints franchised Brees? How did that work out?

  37. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Wow the usual hyperbole regarding Crabtree.
    Ignorant as usual I suppose he’s going to get $15 mil from Dallas? Basically a lie or do you care to share where you got this info?
    It’s truly amazing how frantic you are about signing Kap and the crap you are making up to support your viewpoint.
    Kawakami has confirmed that Lacanfora got his data from the Boston Globe who were fed the story by Kap’s agents XAM Sports.
    The usual fiction from you that you knew it wasn’t Kap or his agents.
    Why should anyone believe anything you say because of the half truths and exaggerated inflated projections to make your case.

  38. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Well, Chuck, like I’ve said before: Kap. Isn’t. Going. Anywhere. Neither did Brees.

    But, if you insist on spewing hysterical scenarios from the top of the Golden Gate, so be it. I’m walking away now. If you want to jump, I won’t stop you.

  39. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t believe Kap will go anywhere, unless he fails big time, and the 49ers give up on him. I do not see that as likely.

    But. I DO think he is going to get paid, big time. The kid has not won a Super Bowl, but he *has* won two road playoff games and has a career winning record in the playoffs. None of the Gang of Three mentioned above can claim that. Dan Marino cannot claim that. Hell, Steve Young cannot claim that.

    Kap will get paid. 100 over 5, maybe more. The contract will be huge, and the rest of the team will have to be adjusted to make it work. That’s just the reality of the QB position in the NFL in 2014.

  40. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Skeeps, if they end up franchising Kappy, the likelihood he leaves goes up about 50%. That’s my point. You don’t franchise your starting QB 2 or 3 years in a row.

    What do you think it’ll take to keep him here? You and Bullit are so averse to giving him a big deal, but the reality is, like I said earlier, it’s going to take a lot of money to keep him here. If they hedge their bet, the numbers go up.

  41. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It took the biggest deal in NFL history to keep Brees, Skeebs. This is what I’m trying to avoid. But yeah, slow play it.

    I’ve seen enough to give him a deal. Others apparently aren’t as observant.

  42. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, I’ve never taken any position regarding how much to pay Kap or what amount is fair or excessive. He’ll get a lot of money, that’s for sure. And we can discuss that when it happens.

  43. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    As for Brees, he’s the poster boy for ego & greed, which is causing the team around him to be dismantled. If Kap turns out to be like that, he’ll get no love from me.

  44. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If Kap gets 20 mil per year I would probably even turn on him if it caused an exodus of players. I don’t want the rest of the team dismantled over one player. I’ll hold my emotions until we see what becomes of these negotiations and then what personnel moves ensue.

  45. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    How do things work in your world?
    “The fact that Dallas, NO, and Chicago wrote up shitty contracts isn’t a worry to Kappy OR the Niners.”

    You can’t have it both ways. You use these contracts to establish market value but because they’re crappy contracts
    they suddenly are of no concern? Are you chasing your tail on this one?

  46. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Capitalism 101: Something is worth exactly what you can get for it. No more, no less. There are 32 starting QB positions in the NFL, and far less than 32 genuine starting-caliber NFL QBs. Kap is worth what the market will bear, and right now, it seems to be bearing an awful lot, judging from the contracts some of these guys are getting.

    You may not be absolutely *sure* of Kap – but that won’t stop half the teams, maybe even three-quarters, in the NFL from making a run at him if he hit the market. Because most teams are just looking for someone who can GET them to the playoffs.

    Paying more, a lot more, at the QB position is an inevitable result when you have success and the QB has contributed to that. I don’t see much chance we keep Kap, either signed or franchised, for under about 20 a year. That’s just the way the cookie crumbles in 2014.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Red Bryant just signed a 4 year deal with Jax. The head coach there is his former DC in Seattle. I’m thrilled he is no longer a Seahawk!

  48. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    He didn’t waste any time leaving, either. See ya, Red! Welcome to the Andrew Luck division!

  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Petey thought Red would come back to the Seahags at a Costco price.
    I, Berger and Gore are happy he’s out of Seattle.

  50. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers too!

  51. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If Chuck’s also happy Red’s gone, we’d have peace in the valley of the blog!

  52. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    To hell with peace. I just came from Repo Ed’s house. I’m drunk as hell and feel like a Democrat. Where’s NJ and Unca when my IQ dips to being a Democrat? Come one, come all!

  53. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Lets remember Berger, Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t define who we are.

    I profess to be an Independent, defined as self governing, in charge of my own vote, beholden only to the process by which I get to choose what the Political system forces upon me.

    The system is flawed.
    Politics is an ignitor of controversy and the source of all things power and profit driven.

    You can be drunk as a skunk, drunk as h3ll too of course.

    Seen my share of drunks, from both sides of the aisle, along with plenty that face-planted attempting to cross it.

    Guess that would make them bipartisan?
    Too inebriated to get across the aisle?

  54. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- I have never seen a more distinct advertisement for your party. You are a Democrat, period, end of story. Teachers = mind control of pupils. Hitler.

  55. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Teachers how?
    Mind control in what parameter?
    I’ve voted both ways over the years.
    Failing to see your Hitler reference.

  56. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I have teachers in my immediate family.
    Fail to see a political agenda here.
    I see them as dedicated people doing a great service with little appreciation or compensation.

  57. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    If that makes me a Democrat, that’s your take.
    Again, I chose to be an Independent so as to make an informed decision on what candidates make the most sense to me.
    I don’t blindly give credence to either Party until I have something to base my vote on.

    For the record, teachers are more important to me then Politicians.

  58. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, most teachers are pretty cool people who do pretty good things with our kids. It’s the people higher in the educational food chain that are the problem. Administrators, and especially school district bureaucrats and government educrats. Those are the people who constantly try to justify their existence by generating new meaningless metrics of how well kids are being educated (now in New Improved Common Core Flavor!). And the ones who experiment with curricula and have fostered a culture of “Zero Tolerance” where kids are humiliated and expelled for sins like having a vitamin or nail clipper in their pocket or biting a pop-tart into a shape that some hysteric ninny thinks looks like a gun.

    As a Libertarian, I’d like to see educational vouchers for kids and open the whole thing up to competition. I’d also like to see more local control of schools, instead of having most decisions made by educrats in bureaucratic echo chambers.

    So how’s the hangover today, Bergs? 🙂

  59. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It wasn’t my fault, I succumbed to peer pressure. It was Repo Ed’s fault! He offered me a cocktail and we drank ourselves crazy!

    I don’t have a problem with most teachers but there are enough of them who push there liberal agenda on the kids that it is sickening. It makes them all look bad. I used to vote in favor of tax increases for schools but I no longer do that because of those teachers. I agree with Grumpy about the voucher thing.

    BTW, I also am a Libertarian. For me it is all about smaller government.

    NJ- Be careful talking to drunks! When I lower my IQ by drinking I can communicate with Democrats.

  60. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Lets leave it at sports Berger.
    Politics gives me a headache.

  61. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I have a head ache today. I thought it was from drinking, maybe it was from talking politics?

  62. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Funny thing about Republicans is most of them live in the South, and most of them are on the dole. Most of the congressmen and governors who whine about government assistance are from states that get the MOST entitlement money. They have marginalized themselves to be white supremacists or brain-dead teabaggers.

    Or they are wealthy and don’t want to pay taxes. Even if the tax rate is lower than it has ever been in the last 35 years. F*** the infrastructure. F*** everything. Except the wealthy keeping theirs.

  63. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger the auto industry devised ignition interlock devices, to thwart potential DUI occurences.

    We might need to see about marketing a similar invention for computer keyboards/mice?

    Could be a potential windfall if we can get it to market quickly enough.

    I’ll propose a sales campaign –
    Friends don’t let friends Drink and Blog.

    or

    Blog responsibly. Alcohol and Politics don’t mix.

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Did you read Unca’s last post. Now you know why I need to drink to talk politics with a Democrat. He says that stuff sober, I need to drink to come up with that kind of wackiness.

  65. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right bergs. What are the republicans selling? They are marginalized as to be nothing. Bush cut taxes during the 2 wars he started. Easy way to build a deficit. You need to drink to forget you are voting against your conscience.

  66. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Obama ain;t no great shakes, but he didn’t sell the country down the river for corporate interests like Bush did.

  67. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I think Unca is drinking right now! Nothing but gibberish.

  68. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, idiot Politicians come from both sides of the aisle.
    I deal with the likes of Christie here in NJ.
    A pompous, arrogant, self absorbed douchebag that happens to be a Republican.

    Wouldn’t matter to me if he were a Democrat, he’s still a POS.

    From my vantage point, Politics caters to money.
    Take a good look at what Christie is embroiled in with the Sandy Relief funds and the accusations being leveled at his administration surrounding the slush-fund known as the Port Authority.

    His top man, David Sampson is working both sides of the table.
    Looking out for his Law Firm while having major clout with how Port Authority Contracts are awarded.
    We’re talking BILLIONS of dollars in budget revenue.

    Can you say collusion?
    That’s my view of Politics.
    Special interests dictating policy at the top.

    Tony Soprano, and the Mob he depicted for TV, now run the Gov here in NJ.
    A total embarrassment to tax-payers like myself.

    We now get to foot his legal bills while he and his cronies cry for 5th ammendment protections.

    But, ironically, he hates teachers as well.
    Go figure?
    He never learned much about looking out for the people who elected him, all the while putting his kids through private institutions of learning.

    All that matters to him, who writes those checks, to further his career of manipultion and abuse of power.

  69. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    He sure found the time to cozy up to Obama when Sandy was grabbing all the press attention.
    He grabbed that money from the Fed, took every photo op he could get too, to console the thousands of displaced people in front of the media.
    The majority of those impacted, are still holding their collective backsides, wondering where that money went.

    Several special interest, private ventures to boot, have seen money from that fund.
    Political slush-fund?
    Courtesy of the US Tax payers at the Fed level.

    When you think corruption in Politics, NJ heads the list.

  70. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Christie is considered a RINO by Republicans. Republican In Name Only. Republicans consider him a Democrat.

    Me, I’m an anti Democrat. A Libertarian at heart but a registered Republican to vote against the Democrats. The government is too big and imposing and Democrats are the ones who like the largess of it the most. I think even the Republicans want too big of a government. If we could get rid of the Democrat party first then we could next get rid of the Republican party. I know that will never happen but it sure is a nice thought!

  71. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Politics is a cesspool of corruption Berger.
    The by-product of special interests and power hungry greed mongers.

    Great gig I guess?
    Promise the people what they want to hear and take care of the people who got you elected when you get there.

    No idea what the answer is.
    Endless cycle of Corporate interests and lobbyists at work.
    No one seems to give a sh!t about the Average Joe’s anymore.

  72. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Except for the fact that Bush grew the government more than Obama, sure Bergs. Keep believing the bullshit. You with Rand Paul and want to let corporations and big biz run everything? Brilliant. No FDA? EPA? Yeah, all these corporations have our best interests at heart. That’s how you turn into China. We go back to the 1800s with no oversight, no regulations, and no rights for the workers.

  73. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    But that’s right, Berg. The workers are the problem. Not the politicians.

  74. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Take a look at the garbage going on in WV and NC Chuck.
    Coal ash ponds in NC contaminating the ground water.
    Gov in NC is a former Duke Energy Exec.
    Take a guess who is responsible for those coal ash ponds?

    Correct –
    Duke Energy.
    Conflict of interest?
    Nah says the Gov, he fined them.
    A whopping $99G, that’ll teach them.

    WV is beholden to the coal industry.
    Chemical tanks storing toxic liquid used in the processing of the coal, leaked into a river that provides drinking water.
    No problem, file bankruptcy and run.
    No conflicts there.
    Protect the job makers.
    Let the risk-takers at the top get a mulligan.
    They employ the people they’re poisoning and their kids and families too.

    Can’t fault them.
    All about Corporate profits afterall.

    Again, Gov and Industry writing the laws, protecting themselves and, hiding behind walls of lawyers when the catastrophes occur.

  75. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    75% of every congressman’s day is spent grubbing for campaign money. FOr their next election. The people aren’t part of the process anymore. You seem to think there’s a diff between Dems and Republicans. There really isn’t.

    Bush was just more nakedly aggressive in kowtowing to his big business cronies. His base. He offshored millions of jobs overseas. Why doesn’t that mean anything? Medicare part D, and the drugs for seniors put millions upon millions into the coffers of hundreds of congressmen, and grew the government.

    But yeah, Obama’s the socialist. He’s kept the size of the govt flat. The one that Reagan and Bush grew more than any other presidents in recent history.

  76. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Politics is all about talking points and media saturation to influence results at the polls.
    How many states, primarily the South, are pushing through legislation to derail voting rights.

    Can’t get the results you want?
    Change the Laws.

    Our voices as Americans are being silenced by the Political Machine.
    Money talks, the more you can contribute, the more you’re heard.

  77. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yup. People were laughing at Russia for the yellow water coming out of their taps, but 2/3 of W Va has highly toxic water themselves. Meanwhile corn/ag subsidies rank in the hundreds of millions of dollars, but let’s cut food stamps, and vote down a bill to help injured / disabled vets. The reason? Theere’s no way to pay for it. Gee, did they have a problem not paying for the 2 wars? Or putting hundreds of thousands of soldiers in harm’s way? No. Now that they need our help, they turn their backs on them. About 50% of returning vets are on food stamps, so they are doubly f***ed. Yeah, part of the moocher class.

  78. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Just like gerrymandering. Congress has a 8% approval rate, but a 96% re-election rate. Why? gerrymandered districts. Nothing will change. The only game in town (DC) is stay in office.

  79. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Remember, as kids, how everyting manufactured in China was taboo?
    Cheap, inferior, a threat to American Labor.

    Then, as Unions began to have more and more power over the American workers rights, the Unions became the target.
    We’ll teach them.
    We’ll ship those jobs to China.

    It’s OK now, Wal-Mart and others found huge profits abroad.
    We’re a society of hypocrites.

    How much of a grip does China have on our economy now?
    All because Corporate profits matter.
    Unions bad.
    Profits good.

  80. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    This crap that Christie is embroiled in, regarding the alleged misuse of Sandy Relief money, is as low as it gets for me Chuck.

    I know of families that have lost EVERYTHING they owned.
    And. are still waiting for assistance to this very day.

    It’s criminal.
    That storm occurred in October of 2012.

    All because of the Politics involved.
    They’ve traced payments from that Fund to private interests, which had absolutely NO impact associated with the Sandy Storm.

    In 2 instances, these were new construction, for profit ventures.

    Davis Samson, Christie’s right hand man, represents clients in Hoboken NJ.
    There are allegations of arm twisting of the Hoboken Mayor, related to the funding she will or won’t receive, for Sandy related damage, being predicated on her willingness to approve private construction permits for clients of David Samson.

    Politics at it’s finest here in the Garden State.
    Take care of your Politicians, they’ll take care of you.

  81. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    David Samson – Not Davis

  82. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Frank Gore had 1269 yds total offense and 9 TDs. Most important he’s the best blocking RB in football and kept Kap upright most of the time having the highest grade in picking up blitzes.
    The truly ignorant football “geniuses” out there want the Niners to discard him as old and ineffective.
    Apparently they are also oblivious to how much leadership means to the team and a team without veteran leadership is lost.

  83. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    What’s the number? Something like 40% of Walmart employees are on Gov’t assistance? But yeah, why raise the minimum wage? Walmart gets the tax breaks and shortchanges/halftimes their employees. What the republican did in Tennessee to the VW auto workers was pretty funny if it wasn’t gross manipulation. Shit they so loudly accuse Obama of.

  84. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I didn’t see that here, Bullitt.

  85. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Did Obamacare pay for the lobotomy?

  86. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry your brain transplant wasn’t covered, NoFear. Wellk, they did find a couple sponges lying around to fill the void.

    Go Nike!

    http://deadspin.com/when-a-famed-nike-coach-tried-to-steal-a-race-a-track-1538116204

  87. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, did you feel proud of your republican brethren as they voted down another bill to help returning vets?

  88. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  89. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca has been firmly proselytized by the Democrat religion. He’s even turned preacher for them. He a man who loves his politicians.

  90. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Right, Bergs. You’re the one extolling the virtues of the Republican party. I’ve voted all sides, but mainly Independent. Enjoying those teabags bouncing off your chin?

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Like I said, NoFear, did your chest swell with pride as the Republican congress, the least successful congress in US history, voted down yet another bill to help returning veterans? Those guys are part of the moocher class, right?

    How about the food stamp program that was defunded? Is it thrilling to know that 55% of returning vets are on food stamps? Cool. Let ’em starve. Just don’t be poor, right?

    Love the fact that Congress has no problem fighting unfunded wars to the tune of $6 trillion of debt, but set up a program at 1/100th the cost of fighting those wars to the brave soldiers who fought them? That’s just too much.

    Who’s brainwashed?

  92. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Did you say something Bergs?

  93. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- You are hanging yourself quite well. I have nothing to add.

  94. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yes I’m hung very well. Thanks for noticing.

  95. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    So you like the idea of f***ing over the soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, Bergs? Like Congress f***ing over the 9/11 first responders? Good for you. Those people should just reattach their limbs, get new lungs and go get jobs. Goddamn moochers.

  96. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I state facts, Berger, you spout inanities. Typical reaction from someone who listens to the talking points and nothing else. NJ is right. Both sides are looking out for #1. Obama sided with Monsanto and the GMO labelling. He’s a politician like all the rest. Kowtowing to big corp.

    He’s a socialist boogeyman to you. It’s laughable. Tell me again how his birth certificate is bogus. Or how Obamacare, (which is working BTW), leads to mass suicide and the earth plunging into the sun. WTF is Medicare part D? Or drugs for seniors? They are giant government programs that were enacted by GW. He grew the gove’t much more than Obama has.

    But when Obama does it, it’s bad. When Bush does it, its . . .

    What?

  97. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    You have nothing to add, because how do you refute the facts? To open your mouth would label you . . .

    what?

  98. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- I’m not drunk so I don’t have the low IQ right now to communicate with you. Who proposed cutting the military to pre WWII levels? Go look it up. Obamacare is working? LOL! Yes you have facts, uncafacts. Reality is not what you deal in. You are on your own in the this debate until I get drunk and can sound stupid like you! Good luck.

  99. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Smoke and mirrors, moron. The bill to help Iraqi vets was killed by the Republicans in Congress last week. Much like the money tied to helping the first responders in 2010 was held up by the republicans until Obama took out the 3% tax increase on the wealthy.

    Who fought 2 unfunded wars? Who cut taxes during wartime, thus raising the debt even further?

    Duh. But go ahead and parrott the usual suspects.

  100. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I love folks who vote to help the 1%ers and don’t even realize it. Dems and Reps are both shoddy,but at least the dems aren’t as obvious at f***ing the people of this country.

    Go on pretending that Obama wants your gun and that he’s pissing on the constitution. The usual talking points of the uninformed masses.

  101. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    BTW, what do you have to say to NJ’s comments? He’s pretty adamant as well about the state of the government in this country.

    Gerrymandering is good for the people. SCOTUS letting corporations spend freely to influence elections is a good thing. Whyy is it the people making the biggest ruckus regarding entitlements are the states that get the most assistance?

    Hmmmmm. Curious, no?

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