2014 Offseason Schedule

Not much happening on the NFL landscape these days and most people seem to be watching the Olympics. The Combine starts next week, which will kick-start the pre-Draft chatter and we can all start inching our way into the 2014 season. For those who like to plan ahead, here’s the NFL calendar for the months leading up to the Draft, courtesy of Pro Football Talk:

February 17 — First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

February 19-25 — Combine Timing and Testing, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.

March 3 — Prior to 4:00 p.m. New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

March 8-11 — Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2013 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11.

March 11 — Prior to 4:00 p.m. New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2014 on all players who have option clauses in their 2013 contracts.

March 11 — Prior to 4:00 p.m. New York time, clubs must submit Qualifying Offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation.

March 11 — Prior to 4:00 p.m. New York time, clubs must submit a Minimum Salary Tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2013 contracts and who have fewer than three Accrued Seasons of free agency credit.

March 11 — Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the 2014 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time.

March 11 — All 2013 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

March 11 — The 2014 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time. The first day of the 2014 League Year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 11. Clubs will receive a Personnel Notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 11.

March 11 — Trading period for 2014 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2013 contracts.

March 23-26 — Annual Meeting, Orlando, Florida.

April 7 — Clubs that hired a new Head Coach after the end of the 2013 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.

April 21 — Clubs with returning Head Coaches may begin offseason workout programs.

May 2 — Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets.

May 7 — Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents.

May 8-10 — 2014 NFL Draft, New York City, New York.




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154 comments on “2014 Offseason Schedule
  1. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Kevin Lynch says the Niners have offered Tarell Brown a similar contract to Brock’s deal of $14 mil 4 years with $5 mil guaranteed and a $3.5 mil signing bonus. Brown and his new agent are mulling it over and might wait until FA opens up to see what other teams will offer.
    Lynch does think that Whitner will work out a cap friendly deal and be back.
    Looking at the secondary and assuming Rogers is let go you need a glue type veteran out there that’s a leader.
    If you think Carlos Rogers, T Brown and Whitner are gone and you want to replace Whiner with a drafted rookie you will have a secondary of T Brock (7 gms started) Culliver (6 gms) Reid (16 gms) and rookie draft pick. That’s a total of 29 games started among 4 DBs. That looks to me like a very raw and mistake prone secondary that you are getting on the cheap but they are also the weakest part of the defense.

  2. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A dominating D-line makes for all-pro DBs!

  3. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Think back to 1981, Bullitt. Dwight Hicks was the only guy with experience. About 1.5 seasons’ worth. I think Brown and Whitner stay, though. If not, Reid is the man. Crabtree is likely odd man out down the line, if they offer Boldin a deal more than 2 years. One of these big money guys isn’t going to last.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    In 1981 Lott and Wright were once in a lifetime type players.
    I am not convinced that Brock and Culliver are that caliber, I’m hoping but they have a long ways to go.
    Brock was getting beaten badly towards the end of the year and that was on blown coverage.
    T Brown was giving up TDs but had tight coverage and that was due to great execution by both QB and WR.

  5. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The point being, Whitner is the guy they need more than anything else back there. The others are fine. Brock played fine. All CBs get beat from time to time. He graded out well. Once Brown is healthy, and Culliver as well, we are good. Between Culliver, Brock, Brown, Cox, and Morris (our speedster in hiding)CB should be covered. I see 2 CBs coming our way.

    If Whitner doesn’t get a deal, then safety flies up our eed-to-have board.

    Still a million scenarios at this point.

  6. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of the Olympics, Julie Mancuso won a bronze in the women’s downhill yesterday. Will race in the Super G
    She’s representing the Niners. Go Julie!
    http://www.nbcolympics.com/athlete/julia-mancuso

  7. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I was going to watch that tonight. Thanks for f***ing that up for me, Bullitt.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Julie Mancuso is a local girl from Reno/Tahoe! The area has a gold and a bronze so far. Jamie Anderson from S Lake Tahoe got the gold, Mancuso Squaw Valley the bronze! Julie has a legitimate shot at the gold in the downhill and Super G.

  9. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “Browns promoted Ray Farmer to GM, have let go of Michael Lombardi and are having Joe Banner transition out of organization in next 2 months.”

    The Factory of Sadness just keeps staggering along.

  10. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Michael Sam announcement was to preempt the chaos that would have occured if the news was leaked at the upcoming combine.
    The NFL gets away with asking personal questions that are off limits in most job interviews. Because of Teo they ask you about dating habits and girlfriends.
    Dez Bryant was asked if his mom was a hooker on drugs.
    Because of the money the NFL gets away with this asking for you to undergo an interview that violates HR ethics and regular labor laws.
    A few of us had mentioned Sam as a 3rd rd choice. Niners might draft him because he has pass rushing skills, not because he’s gay and it’s stupid to think otherwise.

  11. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Lots of comments on how old Gore is and how he’s lost It with his average per carry going down.
    This is a consequence of 8 and 9 in the box with opposing defenses not respecting the passing game and daring Kap to beat them with his arm.
    If Hunter or LMJ were inserted in place of Frank and they ripped huge chunks of yardage, then the argument is plausable. The speed guys are also getting stuffed at the los.
    Gore needs to help out with a cap friendly contract and help ease Lattimore in.

  12. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    And the reason Gore has to go against 8 and 9 in the box is because of the play calling. It is a byproduct of the SCO which is what we run and what RoBaugh love.

    I would rather have an offense that utilizes getting playmakers open in space but it is what it is. I just watch and comment.

    It is like I’m supposed to be happy with making the play-offs and not winning the Super Bowl. Some are OK with that because of comparisons to Nolan and Singletary but I want more. Yes, I am disgruntled with our offense and am not happy with just making the play-offs. That is how we thought in the 80’s. Today’s fans seem to forget that that attitude is what won so many titles. Not to mention, if Walsh’s offense was as sluggish as RoBaugh’s I doubt we would have one title.

    The field is 66 feet wide, use it and unclog the box. IIRC, the two leading rushers this year came from spread formations. How ’bout that! It would even allow our QB to quit having to play behind the chains all the time. Some say it looks like he’s struggling often, he is. By getting put in low percentage situations because of the play calling. When the play caller allows defenses to put 8 and 9 in the box it is standard procedure to do just that, and to make the QB beat them. Any QB.

  13. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Correction to the above paragraph, the field is 66 yards wide.

  14. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bertgs, the problem with this is what’s the alternative? Harbaugh likely gets an extension, but can he change his offensive phiolosophy enough to matter?

    In other words, the problems with developing a speed WR has more to do with Harbaugh’s lack of ability to do it rather than them not drafting a quality WR. It goes back to Ginn and how badly he did here, and his success in 2 other places. His go-to guys at Stanford were the TEs. Luck didn;’t have huge numbers, especially to his wideouts.

    So, the question begs, does York let Harbaugh dangle another year to see what happens? Or will he get an extension and thus not change his tried-and-true-but-ultimately-fatal offense?

    George Seifert got canned for less egregious failures, and he WON 2 Super Bowls. Mooch got canned for less than this. If it comes to pass, one more season of coming up short means what? Stay the course, or get Chris Ault here?

  15. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Ault will be 68 years old this year.
    He’s never coached in the NFL, not even as an assistant. His last five years at Nevada his record was 42-24 and he won the Kraft Hunger Bowl.
    Looks like some guys have the Raiduh mentality and gameplan for success of changing coaches every year. That’s working out really well for Oakland.
    Some people can’t handle success.
    Yes the goal is to win the Super Bowl. To get to the Super Bowl you have to get to the NFC Championship Game which Harbaugh has done 3 years and counting.
    Depends on your opinion but if not for a couple of errant passes theNiners might have a 6th Lombardi Trophy.

  16. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Chris Ault is great on offense, terrible on defense. I would pass on him as a head coach. OC, maybe? Offensive consultant, probably. I’m not for canning Harbaugh yet. What I want is an offense that uses principles more advanced than the cro-magnon era of the NFL.

    There isn’t a lot of difference between what we are seeing now and what we saw with Jimmy Raye. The running game might be more sophisticated now but it is just a more sophisticated version of the Sardine Can Offense. Jim needs to step up his game and get a ball control offense instead of the ball stopping offense that we have now. If he is too weak to figure out how to get more consistency on offense I’ll want him canned after the season. Either design an offense that is more consistent or win the Super Bowl. In my opinion there will be no SB win without a better offense.

    His loyalty to Greg Roman should get him fired but he’ll instead probably get an extension and I’ll have to listen to a bunch of settlers tell me how much better it is than when we had Nolan and Singletary. It might be better but IMO not good enough. Like Hargaugh likes to say, “you’re either getting better or getting worse, there is no staying the same.” I say it is time to get better and that starts with the offense. The defense is already championship caliber.

  17. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, I believe an NFL field is only 53 1/3 yds. wide, not 66. This isn’t Canadian football, eh? Their’s is actually 65 yds. wide.

    66, 65 or 53 1/3. It doesn’t matter. Harbaugh only uses 33 1/3. Harbaugh isn’t playing football, he’s spinning records.

  18. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Browns are being referred to as a dumpster fire.
    Their new GM Farmer was excluded in the hiring of their new HC Pettine.
    That sets up potential for philosophical differences.

  19. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I hope to hell the Browns don’t draft Johnny Football. He won’t have a chance with those stooges. If he stays in Texas and goes #1 overall to Houston, they make the playoffs.

  20. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Johnny Football wants to have his own Pro day sepferate from his college teammates.
    Just think if QB Steve Fuller had done the same at Clemson the Niners might have missed on Dwight Clark.
    Niner history might be quite different.
    Point being at the Texas A&M day most scouts will be there.
    At Johnny Football day only the teams that will likely draft him will attend.

  21. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger the alternative to missing the Playoffs vs making the Playoffs is the one caveat I have stood behind.
    Doesn’t mean I’m just happy to be there.

    It means we’re relevant once again.
    Sure, it’s mundane from your perspective to see Gore get stuffed.
    It’s equally satisfying to see Defenses worn down and, games won in the end because they stuck with their identity.
    Harbaugh isn’t flashy, that’s obvious.

    2 major factors I’ve shared are, Kaeps’ development and, an OLine designed for the running attack.

    Until personnel changes allow for the OLine to hold up better in pass protection, I’d suggest that Harbaugh and Roman are utilizing the guys they have to their best abilities.

    Each year a Roster gets tweaked. Once Frank moves on, the Oline gets adjusted, Kaep develops more touch and timing in the pocket, or WRs added, I’ll take a consistent winner.
    Boring? predictable? Sure.

    Beats the pre-Harbaugh results for me.
    Every year brings about changes. I’ve got faith in the fact that Baalke and Harbaugh are on the right path.

  22. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    But for how long, NJ? I’m fairly certain the window will close in the next couple years as the defense loses it’s dominance. Harbaugh leans on this defense waaaay too much. Which leaves many games in the balance at the end. This only gets magnified in the playoffs. Kappy nearly threw a pick near the end of the GB game which would have meant an instant loss there. His fault? Sure, partly. But this conservatism is keeping scores closer than they need to be.

    I get that teams are tough, and a lot of these games are struggles, but we consistently turtle up early in games and leave points on the sidelines as Richard Dawson comes in to kick yet another FG.

    Kaepernick is an amazing talent who’s being stunted in his growth by a very simplistic passing scheme. What happens if we lose in the 1st round of the playoffs this season? Will it be great, we’re relevant?

    I wonder if York hedges his bet with Harbaugh this season and doesn’t offer an extension. I’d be planting that in his head if I was Jed. Win it all or come up with a different strategy.

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So there you have it. A dichotomy of opinions between me and NJ. He’s happy to make the play-offs because we didn’t for so long. I am not happy just getting to the play-offs anymore. For me the coach is on the hot seat. Fix the offense and fix it now, not a year from now, while the window is open.

    The first year in the play-offs I was happy because we were on the way up. The window is open now. It doesn’t stay open forever. The time to win was the last three years and maybe 2 or three more. The time is now. I am not happy with our progress. Fix the offense this year or fire the coach. No excuses, no settling. Eddie D wouldn’t settle. I hope the New York Jed doesn’t either.

    I’m not asking for a pass happy offense, I want to run the ball. We can hardly even do that. Sure we can against weak competition. Come play-off time the competition is not so weak. We are toast with the ‘allow the defense to load the box approach’. The Sardine Can offense at its very finest. Run over bad teams and get stopped by good ones when it counts. Jamaal Charles and LeSean McCoy would be busts in this offense. LMJ is smart as hell to get out. This offense was made for RBs like Gore and Dixon. Any player who operates in space needs to get out as fast as possible. RoBaugh is a disease for fast RBs and WRs, a cure for 270lb slot receivers.

  24. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    This offense as currently constructed hasn’t made the grade. We don’t run well enough against strong defenses, so where does that leave us? We become one-dimensional, and teams tee off and we lose.

    Look at the playoff numbers. Rushing yards are 167, 126, and 161. Not terrible. But you take Kappy’s scrambles out of The equation and the totals are 69, 111, and 31. So, the team that is apparently built for running is not doing very well as a running team in the playoffs. Which leads to games like Seattle where we leave points on the field early and grind out a score or 2 while 2 broken plays seal our fate.

    Why not be a little more aggressive in the red zone?

    I’m not talking wholesale changes. Just a more fluid offense, and a much more aggressive red zone offense. Which means Roman is not cutting it. I’ve said a few time to get Ault here. What’s he doing in KC? Consultant. Who do we hire as our offensive consultant? A fricking defense guy. Get Ault here as our QB coach. Or OC, as I’ve said about 2112 times. Anything but this run game which isn’t cutting it in crunch time.

  25. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck it’s certainly not good enough, that’s not my point.
    What I’m saying is that we’re utilizing a Roster built for Defense and running.
    The passing game isn’t efficient enough. Agree completely.
    But, Kaep’s not seeing AND reading a Defense at this stage either.
    Those near picks were all on him, not the play calls.
    He got baited and nearly burned.
    The Sherman play in Seattle is the perfect testiment to that.
    His mind was made up, pre-snap.
    Never entertained the other options designed on that particular play.

    He’s young and needs time to improve.
    I simply can’t say it’s all on Roman or Harbaugh at this point.
    Every facet of the team can be scrutinized when failures occur.
    I’m simply suggesting that 1 facet isn’t to blame.

  26. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger let’s be fair here.
    You’re drawing a line in the sand about Roman.
    I’m simply saying it’s a combination of things, many of which I just responded to Chuck about.

    Yes. We need to improve the passing game.
    No. It’s not all on Roman IMO.

    Kaep has got a major responsibility to execute an Offense as he’s the guy running it.
    He’s got as much to do with it’s success or failure as the guy calling the plays.

    Simply stated, it’s better to be there in the end, with a chance to win, then to not be there at all.

  27. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, when teams tee off on Gore, Kaep likely has other options.
    He’s not efficient at that phase of his career just yet.
    I’m being very open-minded to all the factors that comprise an Offense, not just the guy calling the plays is all.

  28. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I wanted Ault early on too, before KC took him.
    Now, in hindsight, I’m not so sure he’s much of factor since he’s a Pistol oriented guy.
    We need play action and timing.
    When everyone knows we’re built to run, the next logical step would be to catch them napping.

    That’s on Kaep too.
    Execution means rhythm and timing.
    If WRs aren’t separating or, Kaep isn’t looking for them, it’s never going to work.

  29. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    From what I read and hear, when plays are designed to go a certain way, they go that way. There IS no reading on the fly. There IS no expectation to get to a 2nd or 3rd read. I go back to a few plays that were glaring in their curiosity. In the Carolina game, Kappy bought time and spotting Jonathan Baldwin running a sideline route. Kappy threw him the ball, and Baldwin’s reaction was to duck out of the way of the object heading toward him. It was the football. Even the last play of the season, Boldin’s bracketed by the safeties, and nopt really running hard. He barely glances back toward Kappy. Meaning he KNOWS the ball isn’t coming his way and that he’s the decoy.

    The point being, it’s not that Kappy may or may not be able to read his progressions, it’s that the pre snap read dictates everything about the upcoming pass. Now, I’m sure this isn’t the design of every play in the playbook, because I’ve seen Kappy look off LBs and safeties along the way. It’s just that a lot of these plays are designed to go one way and one way only.

    Which is a coaching problem.

  30. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I’m as open-minded as anyone about this shit, I’m just tired of seeing this offense go Gore to left tackle, 2 yard pass, 3 yard run, field goal in the red zone.

  31. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    My opinion of Mangini’s hire was, that he was brought aboard to assist Roman, with dissecting Defensive schemes.
    Not a terrible idea.

    Hearing of Mangini possibly assisting Kaep in that regard, might not be so terrible an idea either.
    It’s all about getting better, in all phases.
    Good Coaches either do that or, they’re gone.

    Windows for us are the same for any team.
    That’s on the GMs to manage the Roster and the Cap.
    Not an easy trick to pull off.
    Look at Atlanta. Sold out for Julio, gave up Picks for the quick reward, epic fail when they fell short.

    I’m more for controlled, sustainable growth.
    We’re miles better in 3 years under Harbaugh then we were for 10 years before him.

    What changed?
    The GM and Ownership.
    It’s all about continuity for me.
    Great foundation now. Tinker to improve the weaknesses via the Draft or FA.

  32. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve advocated for possibly adding a ‘Passing Coordinator’ too Chuck.
    I know what you’re saying.
    I just don’t know first hand what Roman tells Kaep to do.
    I’d like to think it’s more diverse then one read or take off.

    Again, it needs to improve, without question.
    I just can’t put it all on play calling since I don’t know what all the options are, or aren’t, designed into a given play.

    When 2 season’s ended with Kaep targeting Crabtree, I gotta wonder who’s making that decision too.

  33. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Timing plays? Name them. We don’t throw timing passes. Hot reads are a myth. We threw maybe 10 slants ALL YEAR. 90% of our pass routes are sideline outs, deep curls, and the occasional fade route. VD is the only guy who goes post. 90% of our pass plays are slow to develop. Which puts pressure on the line. Which leads to scrambles and broken plays.

    I get that Kappy is learning. But unless he’s completely unable to throw a timing pass, I don’t see how this offense can improve with deficiencies like that.

    I don’t buy that this is on Kappy. Not all of it anyway.

  34. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    No QB in history could be efficient at any stage of his career constantly playing behind the chains in a Roman offense. Yes I am drawing a line in the sand about Roman. He absolutely sucks. And yes, some culpability is on kaps shoulders, but most of it is on the play calling, or RoBaugh.

    It is just my opinion but anybody who likes Roman’s play calling does not know ball control offensive strategy. Ball control is staying ahead of the chains and moving the chains. We play behind the chains and go 3 and out too often to be considered ball control. I honestly consider the offense we run as strategy form a bygone era. It puts too much pressure on the entire team to not be able to make mistakes and keeps games so close that key players are logging more stressful minutes than they should, thus creating more injuries than necessary. The 70’s called and they want their offense back.

  35. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    That’s my point Chuck, timing is needed.
    Not all Kaep’s fault, it’s on the WRs too.
    Simply suggesting that Kaep isn’t thinking ‘stand and deliver’ at this point in his development.
    He’s thinking look once, then takeoff.

    I’m with you, trust me, I want an efficient passing game too.
    I expect more weapons to be added in May.
    We both know Boldin and Crabtree aren’t beating anyone with speed.
    We can loosen the Box with better speed at WR too.

    Perhaps we’re doing what our talent affords us to do?
    Can’t screen if the OLine isn’t capable of blocking for it.
    Can’t go deep with slow WRs if the OLine can’t hold up in pass pro either.
    Many factors. Changes come every year.
    I’m confident we’ll be there for a number of years.
    I’m as disappointed as anyone here.

    I’m also glad that we’re a respected competitor again too.

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger you make a good case.
    I’m not in love with the results anymore then you are.
    It needs improvement.

    I’m simply advocating for the continued development of Kaep and, additional weapons to be implemented into the Offense.
    That will come with Baalke and Harbaugh in the comming months.
    It’s a constantly evolving process in the NFL.
    We have Picks, we have needs and, I expect them to be addressed.

  37. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Seattle won the SB doing pretty much the same things we’re doing.
    You and I are definitely in agreement regarding what a good Defense can do for Championships.

    We’re in the mix, we’ll likely be there for years to come.
    I can see us breaking through at any point in the next few years.
    It’s a good feeling.

    We’ve waited a long time for this team to get back in the picture.
    Now it’s about staying there and fixing the deficiencies.

  38. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The line can’t hold up in pass pro because they are greatly outnumbered with the ‘allow the defense to load the box’ formations. Our formation philosophy is an absolute loser for pass blocking. Period, end of story. Our line is fine, our play calling does not put them in a position to succeed. They are too outnumbered to succeed. Our SCO formations will never lead to successful pass blocking for any O-line in the history of football. When you allow a team to load the box all options can be covered by the number differential in personnel. it is simple math.

    Alex Smith couldn’t throw an effective screen pass here. In KC he looks like the master at that play. Did Alex have an epiphany or did he get surrounded by better play designs?

    I would welcome Ault to come here and teach Harbaugh the Pistol. When run correctly, and not bastardized like Roman does, it is one of the best running offensive philosophies ever devised. UNR had 3 players with over 1,000 yards rushing one year. It is the only time that feat had ever been done by any team in the history of college football. The college HOF has a honored it with a display. If you want to run effectively, call Ault, not Roman. Roman’s still stuck in his press clippings where he can read what a genius he is. NOT!

  39. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Seattle’s play calling is not the greatest but it is better than ours. They use 3 WR sets far more often than we do and utilize the hot read far more often. I don’t care much for Bevell but I think if we had Bevell and they had Roman we would have won the Super bowl instead of them.

  40. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, point taken.
    Using Jerruh in Dallas as an example, I’m for tinkering with what’s broken as opposed to playing revolving door with OC/DCs as that clown does.

    Given where we’ve been, I’m for massaging the weak areas, not ignoring the need for all phases of an organization to work in harmony.
    Jerruh can’t Draft. His knee jerk reactions are counter-productive as well.
    We’re a solid organization now.
    Sure, we have our share of problems to correct.
    You’ll admit, our OLine is based more for the running attack.
    It’s our foundation, with Frank being the bell cow.

    We definitely have to advance from that principle.
    If it’s on the Coaching, I’ll trust that Baalke will address it.
    If it’s on the personnel, he’ll have to deal with that too.

    I’m all for changes that will make it happen.
    Whatever it might be.
    I’d start with some speed at the WR position in May.
    Lockette didn’t stick. Kyle either. Most likely Baldwin won’t make it too.
    Could be that WR Coach John Morton isn’t up to snuff either?
    I don’t have the answer, simply a broad concern for how to fix it.

  41. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There are some great play callers in the NFL. Just because somebody has been in football all his life does it make him a good play caller. Play calling is very instinctive and rhythmic. I like watching Pat Schurmer in Philly, Bill Callahan in Dallas, Andy Reid, Joe Philbin when he was at Green Bay, Josh McDaniels, Kubiak was excellent for years, Norv Turner, etc…. I think a feel for play calling is more important than the offensive system but the system does matter. Turner runs a system I don’t care for but he has an uncanny feel for the timing of his play calling. Plus he is an excellent QB coach. A possible rising star in the play calling area is Helton at USC. I’ll be paying close attention to him this year.

  42. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well, that’s all crap. Seattle beat our offense the same way they beat the Denver Mannings. They rush three and four guys and they get there. That means they can drop seven and eight guys into coverage. Linebackers are free for plugging run lanes and choking off crossers.

    They didn’t stuff our run game using overloaded lines. They just beat our blockers. I’d point to the fact we with our “caveman” run game fared considerably better than the Broncos’ number one passing game did against them.

    So despite the “flooding of the zone” with favorite opinions on how offense must be formulated to win, have another look at how well the pass first, spread first, no huddle run by the best in the business did and form your own opinion about it.

    If we build to achieve a passing game like that in three or four years we can get embarrassed in the super bowl playing a real defense, too.

    Here’s another funny one; “We can’t run well enough on tough defenses.” Well, no shit! That’s why they’re tough defenses.

  43. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Those are very selective comments. I’m not a fan of any passing offense that can’t run the ball. I like a good balance. The problem as I saw it in the SB for Denver is Manning could not accurately throw deep in that game. It made the play calling too limited to go against the Seattle defense. Denver got away from what brought them to the dance because manning had a bad day throwing over the top. I have yet to hear anyone else talk about that.

    Loading the box isn’t always about sending double A gap blitzes, disguising intentions are as big a problem as there is for the O-line. It makes pre snap blocking assignments confusing and creates mistakes. Spreading the formations force the defense to declare their intentions way more often. That is what makes it easier for the O-line to block and be successful.

    Seattle didn’t send so many blitzes against us but they kept the LBs close to the LOS. They actually played a scheme similar to the Tampa two. It might have actually been the Tampa Two? We allowed them to load the box so often it was hard to tell what the were running defensively on most plays. The Tampa Two was designed to stop the very WCO that we run. A smart OC would do something about that. But oh no, not our OC. He has press clippings that say he is a genius and he ain’t changing. Seems you like those press clippings as much as Roman does. The two times we ran out of a formation with 3 WRs actually lined up wide, instead of some bunch formation over the TE, we gained 9 yards with Frank and 11 yards with Kendall. Compare that to all of our other running plays from the RB position and the numbers will tell you what was more effective. We probably gained more yards on those two plays than all the rest of the running back runs the rest of the game. If Kap hadn’t kept us in the game he wouldn’t have been in a spot to lose it at the end. The running game gave us nothing, except for Kap.

    It is obvious you either did not read all of my comments or you are just plain obfuscating. I made it clear I want to have an offense that runs the ball. You always equate spreading the formation with passing. Cave men of football do that. The ’70s want you back.

  44. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    IMHO Games are won and lost on the field by the players.
    Bitch all you want about the Jumbo formation but know that Lynch’s TD run in the NFCCG came out a 3 TE set and the Niners had 9 in the box. Seahags made their blocks and Lynch made a good cut to beat Reid on the TD.

    You guys keep mentioning how Kap kept the Niners in the game?
    It sounds like nobody on the offense laid any blocks to spring him or the defense didn’t do their job to keep the game close. Would it suprise you that Kap’s 58 yd run was a play called by Roman?

  45. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The fact that Seattle did a better job on the line has little bearing as to why we should bang our collective head on forcing 1st down runs with the Seattle (or whoever) defense keying on it, Bullitt.

    As usual, NoFear, it’s black or white, all or nothing. jumbo formation, or 5 wide with you. No one is saying that, but argue away with yourself. And yes, I’d advocate trying something different if the run game isn’t working. Criminy, are you Jimmy-Hat? Gee, the run game gets 31 yards, but we NEED to keep poundding away. By 2016 we might start wearing them down.

  46. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Most of Kappy’s rushing yards came on scrambles, not designed runs.

  47. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The All 22 Breakdown revals that Kap’s scramble was not a broken play as first thought but a designed play called from the sideline.
    Seahag FS Earl Thomas commented on the designed run after the game.

    The pictures show the blocks that sprung the play.

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/2/10/5398434/colin-kaepenrick-49ers-designed-runs-all-22-breakdown

  48. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I thank you for proving my point. On Kap’s designed 58 yard run we had 4 WRs lined up wide. Do you think your beloved jumbo formation would have allowed that play to work? Roman should take notes and learn the power of formations, even when he is making the calls. That call reminds e of the old saying that “even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.”

    Of the 31 yards gained by RBs in that game, 20 came on two plays where the formation featured 3 WRs lined up very wide. You just showed us another 58 came out of a designed run with a formation with 4 WRs lined up wide.

    It doesn’t appear you are understanding the point I am trying to make. My point is I do want to run(and pass) and that the jumbo formation is not a good base formation for running the ball in this decade. It allows the defense to dictate the terms of the game. I would rather run an offense that allows me to take advantage of any weakness an opponent has.

    I read Walsh’s books and paid attention to his training videos. He sold me well. I can 100% absolutely guarantee that if Walsh were coaching today he would have three WRs lined up wide to facilitate his philosophy of spreading the defense and getting the ball to playmakers in space. When I watch the Patriots offense I see the evolution of the Bill Walsh offense or IOW, the evolution of the WCO. RoBaugh runs the 1990s version of the WCO which featured the power I. Problem is they do it with principles of the 1960s and 1970s by lining up in jumbo formations. It’s cave man football.

  49. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Cave man football does not require brains, it requires brawn. Jumbo is not a thinking mans football it for cave men. Sometimes they think they are smart by using the element of surprise. Often the surprise backfires. At that point it is back to lighting the fire with two sticks.

    Here is a little story to illistrate a point: Roman as Igor asks the mad professor(Harbaugh), hey boss what do we do now that our surprise play option pitch just allowed the Rams to score a TD and get back into the game. Igor is told to hold on while he calls Schembechlenstein. He says go jumbo and run. We don’t need brains, we have brawn! Now read your press clippings and call more jumbo formations while I come up with another surprise play. Meanwhile the lowly Rams call two fake punts and wins the game. Back at the lab Igor just keeps looking at the brain in the jar just wondering how to get the running game working against men who have them!

  50. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    It’s the Abbie Normal offense, Bergs.

    Not in the Green Bay game, Bullitt. Those were Kappy breaking contain for the most part. Especially late in the game.

    Wow. Running out of a 4 wide set. Good one Bullitt. Who has been saying we should do that rather than the jumbo formation?? Who would have thought of that?

    Why did it take until the Carolina _PLAYOFF game to throw out ot the jumbo in the red zone? Or run out of a 3 WR set in the red zone?

    Is it this hard to fathom what should be happening here? The 49ers need to get out of the base jumbo formation. Gore had close to his worst year in respect to yards per carry. Why? Because 1st down means Gore up the middle. How many 2nd and 9-12s did we face this year? We are always near the to of the league in 3 and outsd, because of the shitty play calling on 1st down. If they do go jumbo THROW out of it. Predictability is the name of the game for Roman.

    Jesus Christ on a bicycle.

  51. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Abe Lincoln would be 205-years-old today if we had gun control back then.

  52. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Unca- What many do is to change the narrative to win a debate. I am saying run the ball with formations that don’t allow the defense to load the box. They (whoever THEY are) try to tell me that because I don’t like the jumbo formations I want to be pass happy. Absolutely 180 degrees from the truth. It is classic obfuscation.

    I do want a better passing game but I am more interested in a better running game, which will lead to a better passing game. Run, pass? What is the defense giving us or what is their weakness? I want an offense that is versatile enough to exploit whatever works. Denver’s running game was not strong enough to exploit the Seahawks when Manning could not get the safeties to play back because he couldn’t throw anything over the top. Did they have a great offense, yes. But not versatile enough when the key element was misfiring.

    You bet I want an excellent running game. If anybody thinks we have that now I am disagreeing. But we do have press clippings to help make people think we do.

  53. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    My struggle around all this is yes I agree that we can design a much better passing game without too much in the way of cahnging the phiolosophy. And I agree that a lot of the struggle to move the ball comes from the jumbo formation.

    My big question is, are these the guys to MAKE the necessary changes? Harbaugh apparently took over the playcalling toward the end of the regular season, but the 3rd down conversion rate remained lousy, and the red zone offense got worse.

    Who is going to make the adjustments when they don’t seem to think it’s necessary?

  54. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Berger has taken up my philosophy of all or nothing. I like it. It’s like they say in NASCAR, either bring home the trophy or your steering wheel. There is no in between.

  55. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Mangini?

  56. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    All I can say is be careful what you wish for.
    Just because they canned Seifert for not winning a third Super Bowl, going all in with Mooch (who lost 5 of his last 6 games at Cal) a decision I disagreed with at the time, doesn’t mean we should make the same mistake again. Harbaugh still has 2 years left on his contract.
    Both Petey Carroll and Fox coached the Super Bowl with expiring contracts.
    I have always said if you want to replace a player or a coach
    come up with the alternative and let’s discuss his merits and deficiencies.
    When the Niners hired Mooch and things didn’t work out need I remind you the 3 coaches that followed and the 10 years that didn’t matter that followed.
    Like I said be careful what you wish for.

  57. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    RIP Sid Caesar. He passed away today at 91. Great comedic actor whose career spanned > 50 years. Played in a couple of Mel Brooks’ pictures. Even had that great scene at the end of “Vegas Vacation” when he won at keno, died, then the Griswold’s stole his winning ticket.

  58. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Fortunately I don’t work for the 49ers in any capacity, so nauturally that means I shouldn’t talk about this stuff? Right, skippy. Be careful what I wish for? Are you daft?

    I’d think they would do their due diligence when making their decisions, don’t you? You must really think the front office is stupid. Although Dr. John sure didn’t do his proper legwork after Mooch was canned. And neither did Singletary when he canned Mad Mike Martz. The point being, guys like Dirk Koetter, Atl’s OC, could get a bump to HC, as could the bunch of guys Bergs mentioned somewhere earlier.

    My hope in all this is Harbaugh sees the light and loses Roman. My fear is that we come up short again, and the defense starts its fade from dominance in 2015 and beyond.

  59. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, what do you do if Harbaugh reaches the end of his contract without a Super Bowl victory?

    Give him a new deal? I guess if they get deep in the playoffs both times, the possibility exists. But I think they’d move on if the same issues keep them from winning it all.

  60. robNo Gravatar says:

    our running was crapola vs. seattle because of our schemes

  61. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    YES ROB!!!!!!! YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR!!!!!!!

  62. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Last 3 seasons NFC Chanpionship Game Overtime KW fumbles cost Niners game. Super Bowl team gets to the 5 yard line and can’t score the TD, another NFCCG and the team is on the 30 and Kap throws a pick on 1st down.
    All 3 games the team was in a position to win the game and his players failed him.
    Do you blame the coach that get’s his team into position to win the game with a 25 yd FG and the holder (Romo) drops the ball or the kicker hooks it 9scott Norwood).
    At the end it’s up to the players to execute and earn their pay. In the Niner’s case the players failed the coach and the team. That’s the brutal real truth.

  63. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    If Harbaugh is getting the Niners to the NFCCG every year I’d keep him,
    The Raiduhs were in a good spot with Gruden as the HC.
    Al had to mess with success and 12 years later they’re trying to sniff the playoffs and they’ve hired 7 HCs since.

    You need to remember how things were before Harbaugh.

  64. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    275 yds passing and 150 yds rushing?
    Only Philly averaged more than 150 yds rushing per game.
    Denver, N.O. and Detroit were the only teams to average 275 yds passing.
    Aiming a little high or setting out of reach goals?

  65. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    130 and 260. Feel better, buwwitt? The point being, the team needs a little more success in the air. Capische? Of course not. Play your little numbers game. The red zone offense isn’t up to snuff. 3rd down conversions are still an issue.

    I don’t need to remeber shit, skippy. 1994 was a long time ago. Take a look at Seattle. Were they happy to get there? No, they decimated Denver. Like the Niners should have decimated Flacco and the Ravens. They blew it badly.

    What YOU need to remember is the window can slam shut at any time. No matter how close we were or appear to be. Take Dan Marino for instance. 2nd year QB with an intensely bright future ahead of him back in 1984. How many more shots did he get?

  66. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Whay hasn’t Roman been hired by anyone? If he’s such a genius, what gives?

    In Buffalo’s case, they should have been winning by 24 at the half. They turned the ball over early on. What ever.

    I blame the coaches when they run Gore up the middle in jumbo packages 15 times for 26 yards. Or go ultra conservative in the red zone. Harbaugh needs to take more shots in the end zone when given the opportunity. I can remembe3r at least 15 occasions where the Niners didn’t even throw into the end zone when they had the ball inside the 10 yard line.

    Like I said, it took until the Carolina playoff game to pass out of the jumbo formation in the red zone. That’s conservative coaching.

    Playing not to lose.

  67. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    You want to give Dirk Koetter a shot at being a Head Coach?
    In 2011 he was the OC of the jags. They were dead last in total offense.
    Wasn’t ATL 4-12 this year with Koetter as OC?
    Houston and ATL were two Super Bowl favorites who bombed.
    Double standard?
    Let’s hire their OC on a failing team and can the Niner OC that’s given SF a winner?
    Only in the world of Chuck.

  68. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And now for something completely different. . .

    Kory Sheets signs with the Raiders!

  69. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Koettler’s fine as an OC. Atl was decimated by injuries this season. He’ll be a head coach one of these days.

    How did Mike McCarthy do here as the OC? Gee, he was 30th. Yeah, his future went downhill after that, didn’t it? It is to laugh.

    Try to keep up, skippy. As usual, you whine about wanting examples of who we should get and what we should do, and then ridicule the possiblilties that folks bring up. Troll much? Oh yeah, it’s all the time. Right Mr. 600 yards?

  70. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    More juvenile namedalling? Really?

    Still laughing after you accused me of being Skeebers.
    Just make any slanderous accusation that the voices in your head tells you.
    Just always make things up and hope that someone believes you.
    When proven wrong you can’t even admit to it or apologize.
    That’s the way you chose to operate which is sad.
    I think everyone can see that except yourself.

  71. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I want Harbaugh as our coach but I want him to fix the offense. I can see his loyalty to roman costing him at some point down the line. He was probably praying Roman would get hired away last month. The way he was talking it is what it sounded like.

  72. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    “What YOU need to remember is the window can slam shut at any time. No matter how close we were or appear to be”

    Last month you were taking the opposite view saying Kap had plenty of time to learn how to be NFL QB when I said the team was built to win within the next two years. You disagreed and went on and on

    Another of your usual flip flops?

  73. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit said:

    “Only Philly averaged more than 150 yds rushing per game.”

    Do you realize what you just said? Go check your All 22 and tell me how often Philly is in jumbo. Probably never! They run more spread formations than any team in the NFC. Does the spread work for them or not work for them to get rushing yards? Is their O-line better than ours or do their coaches just know more about offense than ours? We all know the answer. My only problem with the Philly offense is I don’t like their up tempo, it is too up. But I’d sure like to see our offense get more tempo. Our offense reflects our coach, slow. While Philly is throwing bombs and running fast cars, we are sparkling Roman candles and riding Roman chariots. Jumbo is for cave men, and Romans.

  74. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t worry about Kap developing. It isn’t going to happen in a cave man offense. Sure he’ll get better but he will never fully develop. He needs to learn to play with bombs, right now he only gets to play with the Roman candles that come in the fireworks fun family pack for cave men.

  75. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    What might cost Harbaugh and Roman their jobs is their going all in with Kap.
    If he fails that will be their undoing.
    It is my hope that by training he’s not just strength training
    but working on his footwork and QB skills.
    Kap needs to work with Tom House or Steve Clarkson or a similar QB guru
    I am sure for homework he’s reviewing every play of this past season and looking to see how he can get better.
    He needs the mechanics work before they start OTAs so he’s ahead.

  76. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- I know you are still a Smith fan and don’t care for Kap. You are allowed to have any opinion you want. I disagree but I do respect your opinion. Just please answer one question for me. If we were going to lose Roman or Kap would you get rid of Greg Roman or Colin Kaepernick?

  77. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    I see the inevitable insults have arrived. Just a reminder Chuck & Bullit, I’ll be deleting your comments again if you can’t be civil to each other.

  78. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I would lose Roman if forced to choose but Kap has to improve cuz he’s not getting any big money until he performs to a level worthy of a raise. I give him a max of 2 years to show vast improvement and be the QB we all expexted.

    We all want the Niners to succeed but just see different pathways to that success.

  79. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Are you sure about Kelly’s offensein Philly?
    He ran out of a 4 TE formation often.

  80. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Seeing as Philly only has 3 TEs I find that hard to believe, skippy.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    If only somebody wasn’t so lazy and did his homework.
    Philly TEs James Casey, Brent Celek, Zach Ertz and Emil Igwenagu.
    When will you ever learn?

  82. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    How many games did Emil Igwenagu play last year, stat boy?

  83. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If only one wasn’t so quick to spend his life dogging people and praying for GOTCHA moments, and to answer my question, except for the games he was inactive, and the time he spent on the taxi squad, that would be zero, zip, nada. Emil Igwenagu didn’t play a down last year.

    Hyuk!

  84. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- Can you post the article that cites Philly using four TEs. Every time I watch them they have at least 3 WR and usually 4. What is fun to watch is how well they run the ball. They do like to use Ertz as a WR. Macklin was hurt most of the year which might have caused more TE play? I like to watch a Pat Schurmer offense so I would like to read the article you got your info from.

  85. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    People can go back and read.
    On the posts Berger addressed me directly about the Eagles and i replied to him.
    Naturally you butt in changing the context of the discussion.
    In the usual hypocritical manner you say Philly only has 3 TEs.
    If you go to their website and roster they list 4.

    Practice what you preach if you claim to have disdain for gotcha you practice it like an expert.

    Going forward either act like an adult or you won’t get a response from me.

    The name is Bullit. You seem to like to fabricate the myth that it’s something else.

  86. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Here is one of the links
    http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/08/16/no-22-eagles-introduce-4-te-package/

    The 4 TE package starts out as a tight formation and then they flex some out to create space and mismatches.

    It lines up to some of the stuff you’ve been preaching.
    I don’t follow the Egos but they might have packages where they put in an extra OL and 3 TEs.

    The context of our discussion was would Chip Kelly have a jumbo package?
    The 4 TE set is definitely in their playbook.

  87. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Here is another link to a different story

    http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/2-tight-ends-3-these-birds-going-4

    Could be Chip Kelly just showing the formation to give opponents something to think about.

  88. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- Thanks. That is exactly what I am talking about. Formations are the key to play calling. A good play caller will use packages that utilize the strengths of the team and then call formations and motion to create mis-matches. At the same time teach the QB how to identify what he is seeing and choose the proper options. Football is an easy game to dissect.

    Some people get so technical they can’t see the forest through the trees. Roman thinks the run game has to be some complicated blocking scheme out of jumbo. Philly shows that the running game is more effective when spreading the box and looking for advantageous match ups. Like I’ve been saying, the key to running the ball is getting the box spread out and not being out numbered at the LOS.

    An offense is always outnumbered in the jumbo formation. It is cave man football. No brains, just brawn.

  89. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    He’s the RUN OC. We either need a passing OC to complement him, or lose Roman entirely and upgrade the spot. What is Chryst providing?

  90. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Or Johnnie Morton for that matter?

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Seeing as Philly never used that formation during the regular season, I’m not sure what the point of that article is. Other than they tried a play a couple times in the preseason that they never used in a real game. Saving it for the playoffs, I suppose.

    Like I said, Kory Sheets signed with the Raiders! Preseason wonder, indeed.

  92. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Next year’s playoffs, I suppose.

  93. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    If Kory Sheets and two family members stood in front of a large turbine engine, that would make them three Sheets to the wind.

  94. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Just feed the 3 Sheet heads beans. That should make them three Sheets to the wind!

  95. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If we are looking for the weak link on the 49ers I nominate Greg Roman!

  96. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Not a bad choice, but I can’t second that motion. If we’re talking 49er weak links I making the same motion for the ninth consecutive.

    I nominate Alex Smith. Do I hear a second? “Second.” All in favor? “Aye!” All opposed? *chirp* *chirp* The ayes have it!

  97. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    As Eddie would say, “He’s gone,” Dennis. Let it go.

  98. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Teams are starting to cut players under contract for salary cap
    reasons.
    Niners have Rogers and a possiblr revision of Gore’s contract to deal with,
    NFL.com and ESPN say they’re close to re-signing Boldin.
    A lot of the deals will get done at the combine next weekend.

  99. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    What’s Boldin gonna get? 3/18? Like I said, if they sign Boldin to a 3 year deal, I don’t see how they sign Crabs next year or extend him. Crabs is going to want a monster deal. Somewhere in line with 5/55-60 mill.

    I don’t profess to know what Boldin wants, but I’ll be shocked if he signs anything under 3 years/$15 mill.

    Lots of tough moves coming up here.

  100. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I think most still have a wrong impression of Crabtree. His first contract happened 5 years ago.
    He has often been mischaracterized as a player that was interested in only the money.

    Last season showed that he was about winning.
    Nobody would have said anything if he coasted and took the season off to rehab.
    Instead he busted his ass to get back on the field because the team needed him. He would’ve gotten the dame pay taking it easy. So there is much evidence that he is a team player and very loyal.
    Funny how some people want to overpay Kap and make assumptions that Crabtree isn’t worth market value.
    I do believe Crabtree is a team player and loyal to the Niners.
    Let’s see how this plays out. Crabtree saw how it worked out for Goldson and others who were in it for the money.

  101. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    We’ll have to see what Boldin gets. If Boldin get 18 mill, I don’t think they restructure Crabs. Which means franchising him next year. Which means he’s gone.

    I don’t think he is worth market value. He’s a solid possession WR. Nothing more. The only thing he has over Boldin is his age. I certainly would have a big problem with the team throwing $60 mill at him. If he could stretch the field, he’d be worth a big deal.

    It’s on the 49ers to get a WR that can stretch the field. They can draft one this year. Maybe they’ll figure it out for once. Or hell, go get Golden Tate. He’d be cheaper and he’s a ST guy as well.

    Funny how some poeple overlook the obvious and never see anything but their own point of view.

  102. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Was looking at Joe Flacco’s contract.

    In 2013 Flacco’s cap hit was only $6.8 mil.
    In 2014 & 2015 its about $14.7 mil.
    It gets crazy in 2016 jumping to $28.5 mil and 2017 to$31 mil.
    Ravens juggling numbers but starting in 2017 it gets really tough for them.

  103. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Looking at the obvious is you don’t realize what you have until that player is missing.
    Too much is made of speed receivers.
    Percy Harvin was in the same draft as Crabtree.
    Harvin’s your home run threat, bombs away type wr.
    Crabtree has 22 td catches to Harvin’s 20.
    The suprising stat is Crabtree averages over 2 yds more per catch than Harvin.
    Without Crabtree the offense stalled but I believe some perceptions are misguided because its all about fitting in.

  104. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Crabtree has played in 8 more games (63/58) then Harvin. But Percy also has 4 rushing TDs and 5 return TDs in those 58 games for a grand total of 29.

    Harvin > Crabtree. You can add that to the fact that Seattle has the better HC, GM and QB. It’s no wonder that the Niners are Seattle’s prison bitch.

  105. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    *Harvin has played in 55 games, not 58.
    “I can’t drive 55” WTF ever happened to Sammy Hagar?

  106. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Sammy’s hanging out in Roseville at his new bar and grill.

    Bullit, what do you think Crabs is worth? $55 million? That’s his starting point. He wants top 5 money. Vincent Jackson being #5. Get used to it. I wouldn’t go there with him. Boldin’s old and slow and much cheaper than Crabs will be, and he put up identical numbers that Crabs did in 2012.

    My point being, you can find any number of possession WRs for half his price. or 1/10 in the draft. Let him take his payday to Dallas.

    Ask any 500 idiot fans and even they know this team needs a deep threat. Again, though the debate becomes do the Niners even know how to use a deep threat? See: Ginn, Ted.

  107. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Good luck with the 45 yds net passing the Niners had against the Panthers during their first meeting.
    You want to give a QB $20 mil a year that can’t excel without superior talent supporting him. Until he proves otherwise I wouldn’t sacrifice the roster to make him happy.
    You keep talking about Ginn. 550yds receiving and 5 tds and you want to put him into the HOF.
    You have no clue what Crabtree is going to ask for and you’re ignorant enough to think he’s going to Dallas. That’s funny.

  108. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I definitely noticed the play calling changing after the 45 yards in Carolina. Roman thought he was David Shaw. I would guess that is when Harbaugh started to step on Romans toes and started to do some of the play calling.

  109. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The one thing that is absolutely 100% for sure, if the offense can’t get more than 100 yards passing because Crabtree is out the OC needs to be fired.

  110. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I really have to wonder about any Niner “supporter” who suggests that we go after Golden Tate.
    Screw Tate and the Seahags. What has Mr pushoff accomplished? He has 5 TDs this past season and 15 total in his 4 years in the NFL and above all else he’s a dick.

    Reality check is you think it’s that easy to draft a “possession” WR in the draft.
    You might want to rethink that statement.

  111. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Ginn did less in 3 years here than any one season in Miami or Carolina.What does that tell you? We used him correctly? We have a solid understanding of the deep passing game? Right.
    Get a clue, skippy.

    Rethink that? You might want to “think” about how you “use” quotes.

    $60 mill for Mike Wilson? You “might” want to rethink that.

    As for Golden Tate, your “fanboyness” is showing.

  112. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If the Niners can sign a player to help the team, they sign him, regardless of how fanboys feel about it.

    This isn’t Tiger Beat, skippy. This is football.

  113. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    And if you don’t admit to being a so called fanboy I would remove all your rah rah slogans as it’s disingeneous.

  114. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I am not sure where you’re going with your praise of Ginn and Tate and putting down Crabtree.
    Crabtree is a 49er, the other two play for our rivals.
    I have always seen Ginn as a good return guy.
    Again a month ago you knocked him saying he was done and I made the point of his 2 returns in the playoffs that you forgot.
    Are you confused?

  115. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Fyi
    Ginn is an unrestricted free agent again.
    He keeps signing one year bargain deals.
    As I have said he has value as a return guy but is lacking as WR.
    If some GM thought he decent as a WR he wouldn’t be a gypsy roaming through the NFL.

  116. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Denny
    Crabtree playing in more games than Harvin especially with a ruptured achilles injury tells me that Percy is fragile missing games with a headache. The pattern with the Vikes was when he had a beef with the coach he couldn’t be counted on. Let’s see his performance in the long term for the Seahags.
    If he’s another Sidney Rice who is always hurt and eats cap space than he’s helping the Niners.
    Right now Crabtree is more important to SF than Harvin is to SEA.

  117. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    More important to his team? I’ll give you that. But that still doesn’t make Crabtree better. And for a team that attempted the fewest passes this year, having a WR be such an integral part to its success is way out of whack.

    It just further proves my point that a team built like the Niners on defense and the run game should not exercise their first draft choice on a WR.

    Do you think that Antonio Stradivari blew his first paycheck on a new set of drums? I don’t think so.

  118. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- Great post. I doubt the 49ers spend much money on Roman. His press clippings are worth more than he is worth.

  119. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Denny
    One giant hole in your point.
    Seahags threw 420 passes to Niners 417.
    Same can be said for Harvin.
    You stopped talking about Peyton.

  120. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    I knocked Ginn as a punt returner, Buwwlitt. Here’s another tidbit. Rossum had a good couple years before he started running OB. I didn’t forget Ginn. He lost his effectiveness as a PR.

    Do you know the difference between a punt returner and a wide receiver? Let me explain. A punt returner returns punts, and a wide receiver catches passes. You see, Ted Ginn did both for the 49ers.

    The Niners couldn’t figure out how to get him the ball as a WR. And this was for a team that had little depth at WR. His worst year in Miami was better than his 3 years total with the Niners. What does that tell you?

    Or the fact that he caught more passes in Carolina in one year than all 3 in SF. And this was as the 3rd string guy in Carolina.

    Tomorrow I’ll explain the QB position. You’re welcome.

    Rah rah slogans? You spend more time on my blog than I do.

  121. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, if they re-think their passing game, I’d think about going WR. If they don’t, then they should go CB.

  122. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I want a WR in the 1st round but not if Roman is calling plays. He has yet to figure out what a WR is.

  123. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    When all else is in doubt, draft a D-lineman. D lines win championships. Tuit might be our guy. This should drive bullit crazy, he thinks we are overstaffed at D-line. None, I repeat zero WRs should be drafted if Greg Roman is the OC. He has no more IQ for offense than NoFear. IOW, almost 0.

  124. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, it would be nice to get an immovable object at NT. Get pressure up the middle. I’ve been looking at WRs and CBs. . . .

  125. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Dorsey’s a stopgap. And Williams? Hard to say since he got hurt so early.

  126. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Fat Man in the Middle.
    Louis Nix would be fine in my book.
    He’d be a guy I’d consider if he got close enough to Pick 30.

    But, we have needs in the Secondary and at WR so, it might be a stretch.
    Every Mock I’ve looked at his him firmly assigned to Pittsburgh at 15 or earlier.

    Hey, you never know?

  127. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’d still consider Aaron Donald at 30 too.
    Small but, very relentless.

    I’m also liking the idea of Davante Adams more and more.
    I’ll have a better feel for these guys after the Combine numbers are in.

  128. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Adams put up over 3000 yds in 26 games.
    That’s ridiculously good.

    Spells workhorse to me.
    Be nice if he shows some speed in Indy.

  129. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Problem is Roman is the OC. The only WR I want is an undrafted free agent. No rookie will be used. I really hate Greg Roman. I want every coach fired if he is the OC. Our only chance of ever winning a SB if Roman is gone.

  130. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Did I mention I hate Greg Roman? The new NoFear of offensive coordinators!

  131. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Press clippings, press clippings, press clippings! That is what NJ, NoFear and Bullit rely on. Roman sucks no matter what NJ, NoFear and Bullit try to convince us of otherwise. Just fire him now!

  132. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    How is NJ, the Roman lover, going to tell me how we would use a rookie WR. I’m listening.

  133. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well Berger, if the press clippings can be believed, Harbaugh is attempting to correct those deficiencies.

    Let’s not go to that old Alex axiom of lovers and haters please.

    I’m obviously much more tolerant of Roman to this point in time.
    Don’t love him by any stretch. Nor do I hate him.

    I’m simply advocating for additional weapons to eliminate the argument that we don’t have enough of them.
    Granted, Mario, AJ, Kyle and Baldwin didn’t make an impact.

    Is it Roman?
    I couldn’t say it’s totally on him if they didn’t contribute.
    I’ve offered my concerns for the WR position Coach, John Morton too.

    To your point, I’m open to improvements.
    I’m just hesitant to go the route of revolving OCs if there are other options available.
    FA WRs don’t come cheap. Draft Picks do.

    We have Boldin.
    We know what he’s all about.
    I’d focus on him, regardless of age. He’s a player.

    Let’s not overlook QPat either.
    He might be a valuable piece of the future puzzle.
    Won’t know much until next Season but, at least he’s anxious to prove his mettle by working with Kaep this off season.

  134. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Had we not gone deep into the Playoffs the past 3 years, Roman might have been hired elsewhere.

    Sometimes the timing of a hire is more important to the suitor then to the prospective candidate.
    As I’ve said, it’s an ever evolving process in the NFL.

    I’m fine with steady production, so long as the deficiencies are addressed and improved.

  135. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Once again Berger, being a hater clouds your objectivity.
    We’ll agree, what we’ve seen from the passing attack is lacking.

    I’m going to stay patient with Baalke and trust that he’s doing whatever he can to get this ship off the rocks in that regard.
    Personnel is just as important to me as the guys calling the plays.

  136. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Look at the Jerruh Jones model.
    Stuck on 8-8 because he thinks it’s always about changing Coaches.
    If the moron had any football sense, he’d realize it’s 90% personnel that don’t contribute.
    If he had a clue about getting said personnel, he might have something to Coach.

    To him it’s Fantasy Football, Jerruh style.
    War Room cameras on Draft Day are more important to him then actually having a clue why he’s there in the first place.

    Once you have talented players, Coaches have an easier time with the development phase.
    Let’s not forget, many of the guys on our Roster weren’t Baalke/Harbaugh guys.
    Again, it’s about evolution in the NFL.

    Identify deficiencies, improve them.
    If it means changing Roman, I’m sure Baalke will do just that.

  137. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger
    Let me ask you a similar question you posed to me.
    If you had to make a choice between keeping Kap or Harbaugh who would you choose?

  138. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck
    Still the childish game of mispelling a person’s name.
    Gee what rhymes with Chuck? I can play that game too but I don’t choose to stoop to being a 5 year old.
    You can obfuscate to deflect but in the NFCCG Ginn’s punt return was one of the keys to the win as well as his return in the Super Bowl to set up the final series.
    So you seem to favor Kyle Williams who replaced Ginn and proved to be a sad substitute with no dtomach to make returns.
    Bottom line is Ginn is an above average return man and a below average receiver.

  139. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yes, you never stopped being a 5 year old, Buwwitt.

    I said none of those things of course. In what universe would we have to choose between our QB and our head coach? Hmmm? Talk about childish. Since a reincarnated Bill Walsh is the coach, I’d keep Kappy. Frankly, in any situation, I’d keep the guy who actually plays on the field. Can you figure out who i mean?

  140. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, there’s nobody named “Buwwitt” on this blog.

  141. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Awwww, Skweebs to the rescue?

    Man, I’d love to be a fly om the wall at 4949 Centennial Blvd. The dynamic around Roman and Harbaugh has to be somewhat less than ideal. My problem with Harbaugh taking ove rthe play calling is the red zone offense got worse as the season went on.

    So Harbaugh’s part of the problem, not the solution. The niners need to get out of this close-to-the-vest mentality. Esp down close.

  142. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    But there is someone named redbull.

  143. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    If you want to talk and act like a cartoon character, Chuck, there’s a site down the road where you’ll fit right in. It’s called ninersforever.com.

  144. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    You should be thanking Bullit, not continually attacking him, Chuck. It used to be you had to take the pulse of the crowd to know what position you’d take, but now you just come here every day and take whatever position is the opposite of Bullit.

  145. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Any of you guys ever try the George Costanza “The Opposite” approach? I gave it a shot when picking the ponies. Still didn’t work. I’d swear those horses are in cahoots.

  146. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Last offseason only 16 free agents were given contracts exceeding $6 mil per year. It was considered a soft market.
    With a flat salary cap the trend is expected to continue, in fact
    with a very strong draft with all the underclassmen joining it is expected that the big offers will be fewer than last year.
    If this is true it makes the return of Boldin, Whitner, T Brown and Dawson more likely.

  147. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No Skeebs. I’ve held my view about Crabs for a while now. Just ask bullitt, He’s been dogging me for year on that. Apparently he dogging me is fine. Or ripping me for no reason. Whem I do it, it’s an issue.

    He regularly attacks my viewpoints but it’s fine? You guys are obviously very close. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  148. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll just say this again.
    The people who read this blog can see what’s happening and determine who’s acting childish.
    I’ll just leave it at that.
    Actually Skeebers deleted 2 of my earlier posts so there is something wrong again with your conspiracy theory.
    What can I say, last week you said I was Skeebers.

  149. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I can just imagine Kirk Douglas flanked by both Tony Curtis and Laurence Olivier. “I’m Skeebers! I’m Skeebers!” Who’s up for some snails and oysters?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u93bhAimFFU

  150. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit, Helen Mirren was awarded the BAFTA Fellowship this evening.
    Quite an honor.

  151. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Is that like a Lifetime Achievement Award?
    I just watched Helen Mirren in Red 2. She’s actually a very good actress.
    Apparently as she aged she got the better roles.
    In her younger days she was just another pretty face in some forgettable films.
    I was watching the piece on 60 Minutes about Cate Blanchett.
    She should win the Oscar for her role in “Blue Jasmine”.
    GOT 3 comes out on Tues on DVD.

  152. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2018 Schedule
9-9: @ Vikings, 10:00 am Sun.
9-16: vs. Lions, 1:25 pm, Sun.
9-23: @ Chiefs, 10:00 am, Sun.
9-30: @ Chargers, 1:25 pm, Sun.
10-7: vs. Cardinals, 1:25 pm, Sun.
10-15: @ Packers, 5:15 pm, Mon.
10-21: vs. Rams, 5:20 pm, Sun.
10-28: @ Cardinals, 1:25 pm, Sun.
11-1: vs. Raiders, 5:20 pm, Thur.
11-12: vs. Giants, 5:15 pm, Mon.
BYE
11-25: @ Tampa, 10:00 am, Sun.
12-2: @ Seattle, 5:20 pm, Sun.
12-9: vs. Broncos, 1:25 pm, Sun.
12-16: vs. Seattle, 1:25 pm, Sun.
12-23: vs. Bears, 1:05 pm, Sun.
12-30: @ Rams, 1:25 pm, Sun.
 
2018 Draft Class
1. OT Mike McGlinchey
2. WR Dante Pettis
3. LB Fred Warner
3. DB Tarvarius Moore
4. DE Kentavius Street
5. CB D.J. Reed
6. S Marcell Harris
7. DT Jullian Taylor
7. WR Richie James
 
2017 Prognostications
NJ49er: 6-10
Skeebers: 6-10
Bullit: 5-11
Mr Fletch: 5-11
RTFirefly: 5-11
Chuck: 9-7
Grumpy: 4-12
Rob: 9-7
Winder: 4-12

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