They’re Tearing Down Tim Riley’s Bar

The 49ers’ two year reign as NFC West champs will face its sternest challenge this coming season, with many pundits already picking Seattle to unseat our boys at the top of the division in 2013. That might warm Seattle hearts, and it might even happen, but as we’ve learned the past two years, the regular season is so much last year’s news. The playoffs begin in January and everything between now and then is just weekend amusement.

The 49er large fellows probably amused themselves this morning by enjoying a petite breakfast of a dozen eggs, a pound of bacon, 24 pancakes, and a half-gallon of orange juice. No syrup on the pancakes, our boys have to watch their weight.

20 years ago, the large fellows began the day eating nails, broken glass, and gophers, swilled down with an ampetamine laced quart of whiskey. The old wild and rugged NFL days.

The nineteenth century ended with the industrial age roaring over the landscape and the twentieth century ended with the binary age whisking soundlessly through aerospace. Our football lads now are biometric marvels and we fans are digitalized and wired in.

Fittingly, Candlestick Park will pass into history after this 2013 season, a 53 year old relic from an America that no longer exists. It doesn’t rank up there with the Fenways and Wrigglys of the world, but the old dame has had some glory in its time. This coming year will no doubt be filled with nostalgic and less than nostalgic retrospects of The Stick.

It would be sweet if this year’s team rose to the occasion and closed down the place with a rousing victory in the playoffs. Reality rarely lives up to fantasy, however, so a luck-out, fluke, referee-aided squeaker would suffice just as well. One thing that never changes with fans, we’re shameless. We’ll take a win however it comes.

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118 comments on “They’re Tearing Down Tim Riley’s Bar
  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The Stick has a lot of great memories but it is time for it to go.

  2. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I think Harbaugh will use the pundits predictions and perceived lack of respect as motivation.
    Seahags are putting a lot on the addition of Harvin. In 4 seasons he has yet to play injury free
    and in fact has missed 39 out of 72 possible games. Harvin has scored 24 TDs total which is 6 a year.
    He’s sat out a bunch of games with migraines. Did he get cured and magically the headaches went away by moving to Seattle?

  3. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I do believe the blowout victories
    in the Super Bowl against Miami,Denver and San Diego are less memorable than the squeakers whether in a Super Bowl or a playoff game.
    Foremost is “The Catch” followed closely by John Taylor’s TD in the Super Bowl, TO’s catch against the Pack and VD’s heroics against the Aints.
    Not to be overshadowed is the great goal line stand against the Bengals highlighted by Dan Bunz’s solo tackle at the 8 inch line.
    We all have a tendency to make these plays more memorable than the last TD in a 55-10 rout of the Broncos in SB 24.

  4. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Jed York’s interview on 95.7 revealing some interesting info
    and Sando said
    “He also reflected on his ownership tenure, noting that he has tried to admit mistakes instead of trying to justify them.
    “The first decision I made as president of the 49ers, I hired Mike Singletary,” York said. “I thought Mike was the right guy at the time. He turned out not to be the right fit.”

    The dilemma was clear. “Do I try to preserve my image and try to show that that was the right decision, or do you own up to it?” York said. The 49ers took the latter route, firing Singletary before hiring Harbaugh.”

    Putting personal ego aside does bode well for future success unlike owners like Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson who make it all about them..
    http://media.957thegame.com/a/76259616/jed-york-joins-bucher-and-towny-for-newsmakers-week.htm?q=york

  5. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I just watched “They’re Tearing Down Tim Riley’s Bar” not too long ago on MeTV. They still run Rod Serling’s, “Night Gallery” on their station. That was one of Serling’s more interesting and reflective entries in that series. “They’re Tearing Down Tim Riley’s Bar” wasn’t scary in the normal sense, but haunting in the terms that the fact that time marches on. And all too quickly.
    .
    William Windom played the lead role and had all his best memories in that bar. His coming home party from the war, the great times he had their with his wife. But the wrecking ball was coming, and the memories were hard to let go. Serling summed it up best in his opening monologue when describing the previewing the episode: “The quiet desperation of men over 40 who keep hearing heavy footsteps behind them and are torn between a fear and compulsion to look over their shoulders.”
    .
    How very true. Now I feel really old myself.

  6. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    I wonder if Serling were still around today if he’d do a “Night Gallery” episode based on Miss Utah’s answer in the recent Miss USA Pageant. America, here’s your education dollar at work. Now that’s pretty goddamn scary.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v093dn5OKuE

  7. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I am sure most of you have seen this flick but just in case you missed it this was terrific.
    “The Best Year of Our Lives”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob4Hy-AAOUA

  8. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    That quick shot of the daughter in the hallway was Teresa Wright. She was terrific in Hitchcock’s “Shadow of a Doubt” (1943). And of course Teresa played Gary Cooper’s wife in the baseball classic, “The Pride of the Yankees” (1942).

  9. robNo Gravatar says:

    i hear Seymour and Brandon Lloyd are among the top free agents left on the market ! I wonder if we might still find another free agent to add before the season starts !

  10. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Maiocco said this today about the hiring of Mangini
    “The 49ers want to stay one step ahead of the opposition. If the St. Louis Rams picked up on some tendencies and burnt the 49ers, then other teams probably did the same thing. Mangini is now in the building to help the 49ers self-scout and pick up on their problems before they become problematic”

  11. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers, I would be remiss if I didn’t ask what possessed you for today’s title? It’s not the most well-known work of TV. Big Serling fan? The story ties in very well with the closing of the ‘Stick, BTW.
    .
    I just know learned, after a little research, that “They’re Tearing Down Tim Riley’s Bar” was nominated for an Emmy. It was also one of Rod Serling’s favorites and it’s considered one of his best pieces of work along with his, “Requiem for a Heavyweight.”
    .
    As the late great Johnny Carson was wont to say, “I did not know that.”

  12. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Del, I saw that episode with my brother when we were both young and very stoned and it blew our minds for some reason. I thought Windom was fabulous and followed his career off and on ever since. A great character actor. He died at 88 just last year. The show always stuck in my mind and I haul it out whenever there’s a “it ain’t like it used to be” moment in life. I can’t remember how many times I’ve looked across the table at my bro and muttered, “They’re tearing down Tim Riley’s bar.” We both get a big laugh, because the show itself reminds us both of a long ago youth when we watched it, which was the very theme of the episode. Those old Rod Serling shows were pretty tasty. He and Hitchcock did the best intros anybody will ever do.

  13. robNo Gravatar says:

    the twilight zone is one of a kind TV !

  14. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s Alfred doing an intro:
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4v8CvQZhPs

  15. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    My favorite Hitchcok movie was Vertigo. San Francisco circa 1958
    and I still remember when Podesta Baldocchi Flowers was on Grant Ave.
    Kim Novak was gorgeous.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5jvQwwHQNY
    North By Northwest is a close second.

  16. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of North By Northwst here’s Hitch doing a narrative on the trailer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRfmTpmIUwo

  17. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Looks like Pats TE Hernandez has gotten himself mixed up in a murder investigation.

  18. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    No surprise that my favorite Alfred Hitchcock Presents, is “The Horse Player.” The great Claude Rains as a priest and a guy praying for winners. I can’t tell ya how close this story rings to home. It’s eerily representative of my life story…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGKINzW4-jU

  19. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve been trying to post all day about movies, but nothing goes through with this “cable company”.
    Really depends on the weather and we’ve been having T-Storm after T-Storm and it knocks everything out.
    The years of drought are over. Now we just have to worry about the insects.
    TCM has had so many great romantic movies on lately while I’m laid up taking care of my back, I don’t know where to start.

  20. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    RTF, two of my all-time favorites are coming up next on TCM. “Anchors Aweigh” and “Robin and the 7 Hoods.” Frank, Dean and Bing singing “Style” is a classic. And you’re gonna lose with “Mr. Booze” never disappoints.

  21. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll be making a visit to Piscataway HS here in NJ on Friday, in hopes of catching a visit with Anthony Davis.
    He attended the HS and played his College ball at Rutgers just 5 minutes away.
     
    The Camp is being sponsored by another Piscataway HS Alum, Malcolm Jenkins.
     
    http://tinyurl.com/mgksv92

  22. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    CBS Sports has analysis on last year’s NFC Championship with detailed screenshots on what the Niners D did to disrupt the Falcons.
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22449285/after-further-review-ryan-rewinds-tape-on-final-drive-of-nfc-title-game

  23. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    The 49ers signed Justin Smith to a two-year extension through 2015.

  24. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Great move in giving Justin Smith an extension.
    He got hurt last year but he has been playing the best football of his life and he makes the defense better by occupying numerous blockers.
    He just might retire as a Niner.

  25. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Is Malcolm Jenkins wide open as well?

  26. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Damn, it turns out Aaron Hernandez
    had already shot somebody in the head “accidentally” earlier this year and allegedly settled the matter before charges were filed.
    Why do guys making millions behave like this and throw it all away?
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/19/report-hernandez-recently-was-sued-for-allegedly-shooting-someone-in-the-face/

  27. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Hernandez can shoot people in the face all he wants for all I care. Only one thing matters to me: will Hernandez be set to play Week 1? I need to know whether or not to draft him on my fantasy team.

  28. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A Roman wasn’t built in a day, so we extended his contract through 2015 to learn what a passing formation is.

  29. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Justin Smith loves being a Niner.
    An honest and refreshing interview on his extension which he negotiated by himself with Baalke.
    http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/Press-Pass-Justin-Smith-on-Contract-Extension/cf0f1a78-043e-4f86-8ff5-990e20683d9a

  30. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Seeing as Hernandez hasn’t been charged with anything, Bullitt, what’s your point?

  31. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    I’m out of popcorn today.
    Have a nice day!

  32. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Out of buwwits?

  33. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck

    there you go again!
    Can’t keep it civil and classy?
    Always with the insults and low blow cheap shot juvenile name calling?
    Wow you just keep proving over and over what a hypocrite you are and who the provocateur really is.
    His name happens to be Chuck.

    Provocateur should be the word of the day.

  34. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Word of the Day:
    Balk. To stop, as at an obstacle, and refuse to proceed or to do something specified.
     
    Blogs never balk at a chance for a good (or bad) debate.

  35. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    In that case, Berger: ALEX SMITH: Martyred Christ on the Cross, or Spawn of Satan Evil Incarnate??????!!!!

  36. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    How about, ALEX SMITH: A good QB that took the brunt of frustrated fans feelings until we could get something positive happening with a coach who knows what he is doing.

  37. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t forget, Satan was an angel as well . . .

  38. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Wow. James Gandalfini, 51, sleeping with the fishes.
    .
    Dude was pretty good in Get Shorty and a ton of other supporting roles. Nevermind the Sopranos. Great stuff. A year younger than me. Gulp . . .

  39. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    How about those lovable Democrats, Bergs?

  40. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What’s a lovable Democrat?

  41. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    How about those ‘loveable’ Repubs?

    http://bit.ly/16M6SDR

    WARNING!!!

    Explicit lyrics and generally salty language.

  42. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NF, I recently bought the Phil Silvers Show collection. His show was the #1 show on TV even when CBS cancelled.
    I used to watch reruns when I was a kid because my Dad was Army.
    A couple reasons I love it and can’t stop watching it.
    In one of his final interviews, Silvers said the reason he went on is that he got letters and telegrams from servicemen all over the world.
    Army life at a nowhere post in Kansas.

  43. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    “You’re in the Army now. You’re not behind the plow. You’ll never get rich…”
    They had to change the end of the line to get it past the network censors.

  44. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    George Kennedy was The Army’s technical advisor on the show to make sure they didn’t go too far in their comedy.
    That’s how he found his way into Hollywood.
    Phil Silvers played a gambler with a heart of gold whose platoon were worn out old Vets from the South Pacific.
    Then Bilko gets taken by the new Master Sergeant who gets transferred in and he learns at the welcoming party that She is actually a woman.
    Funniest stuff ever made about the Army and kept guys overseas going for years.
    The chimp who gets inducted into the Army was the single most watched episode of the ’50s.

  45. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The Aaron Hernandez story keeps getting more complicated.
    Tonight it is alleged he has ties to a gang.
    http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/curran-hernandez-case-adds-pats-problems

  46. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Yeh the Aaron Hernandez situation is curious at best.
    Especially with all the Putin/stolen SB Ring nonsense in the spotlight of late.
    Seems like the Pats have a some not-so-appreciated media attention all of a sudden.
    Putins’ comment about killing someone with the SB ring opens up all sorts of comedic inroads as well.
    New Cold War.
    KGB vs Patriots.

  47. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The KGB is just jealous that Bellicheat has gotten more attention for spying over the last decade than they have.

  48. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Now forensic evidence places Aaron Hernandez at the crime scene. Since his buddy was murdered and he did not report it and now has decided not to cooperate with the police it’s easy to see where this is headed.
    If it is an homicide then at the very least he’s an accessory to the murder.
    The Pats might have to scramble to find a free agent TE to start the year. Perhaps someone like Dallas Clark.
    http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22638740/2013/06/19/investigation-involving-pats-te-hernandez-ruled-a-homicide

  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The KGB died with the USSR.
    They are now known as the FSB
    (Federal’naya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti) translated meaning Federal Security Service.
    The traitor Edward Snowden has revealed that the US is spying on Russia. Imagine that!

  50. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Considering my Dad helped build spy satellites all his adult life, Bullit, nothing freakin’ surprising me anymore.
    I had a great opportunity to be a Foreign Exchange Student in HS, but with my Dad’s job, I had to lie to my teacher to turn it down.
    Couldn’t even tell him why.
    Nothing surprises me when it comes to espionage.

  51. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Fortunately for me, I learned how to not know a damned thing until far after the technology expired.
    And stay that way all my life.
    My Dad didn’t want me to go on Foreign Exchange, because as he explained it, I’d get kidnapped and he’d weaken.
    I don’t know a single thing about military intel anymore and I like it that way.

  52. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Good point Grump.
    Good old Spy vs Spy stuff all over again.
    All the nonsense over the SB Ring is just too funny.
    2 filthy rich individuals piss’n over a piece of jewelry.
    I’d try to keep him on the ‘friend’ list if I were Kraft and the Patriots.
    If Putin wants someone to vanish it won’t take long.

  53. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    RT, Bilko was great. COL Maggie, Martha Raye, tops my list for entertaining the troops. Sure is a different Army, and Hollywood, nowadays.
     
     
    Hey NJ49er!
    Putin’s soft. Gorbachev or Yeltsin would have returned it, hot enough to glow in the dark.

  54. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NoFear49er.
    Putin reminds me of a weasel.
    In it for what he needs and gets what he wants by dealing behind closed doors.
    I just hope we’re smart enough to stay away from Syria.
    Putin not withstanding, we have more important concerns here within the Continental 50.
    Don’t think Obama has an answer for that mess.
    I’d pass.

  55. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    NJ

    Syria is much like Iraq. It’s a sectarian conflict that has been raging since the middle ages.
    This is tribal war between clans.
    Putting this into US perspective would be a Hatfield vs McCoy type
    scenario blood feud. They will kill the opposition to the last
    person.
    I respect Tom Friedman of the NY Times as a Middle East expert.
    I think he gives great insight as to what’s going on and why we should think twice.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/opinion/friedman-tell-me-how-this-ends.html?ref=thomaslfriedman&_r=0

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/opinion/sunday/friedman-without-water-revolution.html?ref=thomaslfriedman

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy- Your 9:25 post from last night is great!

  57. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    NJ49er,
    Letting the muzzies fight it out to the last man suits me.
     
    Who do we want to side with Iran/Russia or AQ. We can’t arm one side and expect the other side not to possess those weapons tomorrow anyway. The last thing you want is for our troops to face those weapons.
     
    Obama’s smart enough but his motivation lies somewhere outside the circle of what matters to most Americans. He’s the guy that wants to “talk peace” to the Taliban, right?
     
    He’s shown a willingness to sacrifice American lives in favor of Muslim in Benghazi.
     
    Hi Feebees!

  58. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    There are 3 endgames to all conflicts.
    Exterminate your opponent
    Wait for opponent to die
    Negotiate a truce or a peace

  59. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Justin Smith took one for the team and seems to have given the Niners a hometown discount on his extension clearing an addition $4mil plus in cap space.
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/smiths-new-deal-clears-more-4-million-cap-space

  60. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Going by body count, NF, Bush II has a huge lead . . . but if you want to continue to believe that Bush was right to go in, and Obama is wrong to try to get out, then so be it.

  61. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- Seems like Farah Nasif is the smart one. The war won’t end until more like her start getting educated. Who has time for that, right? In the mean time, it is hard blame somebody who just wants to eat. I would bomb the whole country. Yes I said it. But what I would bomb them with is pamphlets trying to spread education of the situation ASAP. Good old propaganda. Propaganda that allows understanding instead of taking sides. IOW, speed up the education process. In the end, love seems to work the best.

  62. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bush II cut back spending on embassies, as did Bush I and Clinton. What is so cute is some of you act like the thinks Obama has done, right or wrong, were never done by any other president in the history of the country. At least be consistent, guys. The debt ceiling being a case in point. It was raised ~65 timed before Obama took office. When he wants to do it, all of a sudden it means the end of the world and Congress would rather bring toe world economy down, and with it the US credit rating, rather than do what they had previously done those 65 times. Hypocrisy.

  63. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Let the one’s who want to fight thin themselves out and hopefully the educated can start something sensible. The reason we succeeded in Iraq and won’t in Afghanistan is the Iraqi’s are far more educated. It really is as simple as that. Syrians are a fairly educated lot which makes it easier to plan something positive for the people. Just give them a chance and they’ll take care of themselves. Got to get the current government moved out first, just like the Iraqi situation.

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- those 65 times did not amount to 6 trillion dollars. Do you think it is possible that makes a little bit of a difference. After all, he did inherit his own mess created by the 2007 Democrat Congress, which he was a part of.

  65. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    In countries without a middle class there is no interest in helping peasants. The upper crust needs their servants and what does a servant need an education for?
    The US can’t interject yourself into conflicts that have been ongoing since the 7th century and expect
    them to see things the American Way.
    Unfortunately Farah Nasif is a woman who according to some extremists are not equals so they have no voice.

  66. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No it doesn’t Bergs. That’s
    what is so cute about your stance. Obama came in to a $10 trillion deficit. Why? 2 unfunded wars. Speaking of doing things no other president has done, no president in HISTORY (except for Bush II) fought one war, let alone 2, and cut taxes at the same time. THAT is where the majority of the deficit came from. To think otherwise is ludicrous. How did Reagan implement the take-down of the Soviets? By raising taxes to fund Star Wars and other weapons programs to bankrupt the USSR. It wasn’t even a war (Cold war, sure) but he raised taxes to fund his spending.
    .
    You point fingers at the minutae and miss the big picture.
    .
    The Iraqis are far more educated? Iraq is working? Compared to what? Afghanistan? Sheesh. That was the PROBLEM, Bergs. Bush took his eye off the Taliban and went to Iraq.
    .
    For all the shit Saddam was doing in the middle east, he kept his country in check. WMD was his bluff, and in the end it brought him down. I think the cost was much too high for the intransigency still in place. Cheney was right in 1994.

  67. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- I understand that. That reporter was in the peasant areas of left behind drought stricken population. This is more a religious sect divide than anything else. Manny Sunni people are not in those areas. We could do what we did in Iraq and I think it would work, but the American people are not willing to give anything up of significance to help those people. Politics are more important here than compassion and equality and what is fair for people in parts of the world that don’t need to interrupt our comfortable lives. How to win the next election is all that is really important here in America.

  68. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Here is the ESPN analysis of the Justin Smith contract extension:

    “What Smith gets: $9.5 million in guaranteed money. That includes a $6.56 million signing bonus and a $940,000 base salary this year. The remaining $2 million in guarantees comes from 2014. That means Smith can reasonably expect to remain with the team through the 2014 season, at least. It also means he’s playing at a discount relative to his previous compensation level, provided Smith remains a dominant force.

    What the 49ers get: a more than 50 percent reduction from what had been an $8 million scheduled salary-cap charge this year. Smith had been scheduled to receive $7.5 million in base salary for 2013, the final year of his previous deal. The entire base salary would have counted against the cap. Now, only one-third of the $6.56 million bonus counts this year, along with the $940,000 in salary and a $100,000 workout bonus. Also, the 49ers now control Smith’s rights through 2015 instead of just through 2013, without sacrificing in the future as long as Smith plays through 2014.

    What the future holds: Smith’s deal includes a $3.15 million salary in 2014 and a $2.65 million salary in 2015. It also includes $1.4 million roster bonuses in each of those years. Those are manageable figures for the team even if Smith isn’t as dominant as he has been to this point in his 49ers career. Health permitting, Smith should play beyond the 2013 season with the 49ers. He turns 34 in September.”

  69. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- I see you covered the Democrat talking points very well for an, ahem, Independent. You proselytize well for the Democrat religion. Your facts aren’t so good but propaganda is first class. You should work for MSNBC.
     
    Just call me Ludacris.

  70. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- Reading between the lines tells me it is possible he signed this knowing 2014 is probably his last year.

  71. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Keep waving those partisan pompoms, Chuck. Even the dimmest bulbs have been awakened by the recent eye-opening scandals coming to light despite MSM alternately crying foul over their particular ox getting gored and spinning or covering on the rest.
     
    If you fail to see Barry’s true colors even now what does that say for your perspective? Sort of reminds me of your on-again, off-again support of our previous starting QB. You were for him before you were against him before you were for him. I see you waffling on your blind support of BHO before long, too.

  72. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Just like Iraq with Saddam and his cronies the Baath Party, Syria has the Alawites, Bashar al-Assad’s cronies. They run the country and are the key to keeping the electricity on and all things infrastructure.
    The blunder the US made when we went into Iraq is fire everyone
    that was in the Baath Party.
    To hold a decent job in Iraq you had to join this party aligned with Saddam. 90% of the members couldn’t care less about the politics but it was the only way to a better way of life. You want the job you had to be a member
    The US rolls in and next thing you know with everyone fired they wonder why nothing works.
    You have to keep the middle managers, the engineers and people with technical expertise
    otherwise you’re beck in 1800 Syria.

  73. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- You see two wars. I see two battles within one war. The war is on terrorism. Terrorism is a word Democrats don’t like to use anymore for obvious reasons. It doesn’t work for them politically. Syria is just another battle, as should be the same with Somalia. But about 47% of Americans are only in it for themselves. Let those oppressed people fight their own war and don’t mess with their comfort. To hell with tortured and forgotten peasants on the other side of the globe. We should take care of our own with more hand outs instead of caring for others. Right? We have a border and outsiders are not really people, right? And don’t rag on me about immigration, I don’t agree with the Republican immigration stance. But then, I don’t agree with the Democrats stance either. While you take political sides, I only see impoverished people and discuss what it takes to help them instead of, like you, taking this opportunity to proselytize the Democrat religion.

  74. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- We agree on that. Nice post. We did make mistakes. In fact, we made some big ones. Unless we are talking about the Falkland’s, what war doesn’t that happen?
     
    One possible solution is we try to create a movement for and by people who are for the people and not religious or political factions. Bomb them with pamphlets and radio waves on the other side of the borders. If a movement forms, and if it is formidable, support them. Does it take arms? Don’t know. It could just take numbers and an election. Gotta start somewhere. Nobody gets hurt when a pamphlet falls on their head if you don’t bundle them.

  75. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The *only* realistic choices in Syria are Assad and his terrorist Iranian buddies, or the rebels, who are allied by AQ and probably will be eaten by them. Revolutions almost always end up in the hands of the most ruthless a$$holes. And so Robespierre becomes the face of the French revolution, the Bolsheviks outmaneuver the Mensheviks, the Taliban ends up on top in Afghanistan, and so on.
     
    In my view, the only winning move here is not to play. Let the frackers kill each other off. Hell, I’m evil enough to say salt the place with Cobalt-60 and get it over with, except that the political repercussions are not worth it. What Bismarck once said about Europe: “The whole of the Balkans are not worth the life of one Pomeranian gardener,” is equally true of the non-oil producing ME and any random American kid. I *AM* willing to fight for oil – because all liberal bleating to the contrary, the world goes to Hell in a burning handbasket in about 90 days without oil – but I’m not willing to give two sh1ts about the Syrians. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

  76. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Talk is cheap.
    With their millions in resources Sheldon Adelson and Donald Trump still can’t provide one shred of evidence that the POTUS was not born in the US.
    Scandals are only such when they are backed by cold hard facts.
    When you have the empirical evidence and the special prosecutor is appointed then you can crow. Otherwise you are dealing with innuendo and it’s just gossip and talking points.
    In other words instead of talking about it and hinting you have evidence, PROVE IT.
    Sadly like all these so called “scandals” there is no proof or evidence, just gossip and a propaganda smear campaign.

  77. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I am curious why Eric Reid hasn’t been signed.
    If it doesn’t happen in the next 2 weeks somebody needs to do some explaining now that draft choice salaries are slotted.

  78. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Hey, Berger. Maybe you should give Aaron Hernandez a call and see if you could sell him a new security system. The dummy smashed his along with his phone before the police showed up. Cover up much?

  79. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It used to be many picks would sign on the way out to training camp in July like Vernon Davis did. I wouldn’t worry much about Reid as long as he is at the first day of camp.

  80. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Something tells me Aaron Hernandez is going to need more than a new security system.

  81. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Want to know what to do in with Syria? This makes too much sense of it
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNOL5YdnM94

  82. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Ooops! Only 5,500 dead, Bergs. Mighty cavalier of you. If Bush had kept up with rooting out the Taliban, we’d be in a much better situation in Afghanistan, and wouldn’t have near the casualties than the clusterf*** that came to pass by going after Saddam Hussein.
    .
    Cheney laid out the exact problem with taking out Saddam in 1994. Nothing changed in 8 years, and they didn’t get why things went to shit when they took him down?
    .
    Brilliant. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

  83. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    How do you win the war on terror Bergs? Talk about drinking the koolaid. You can’t win a war against an ideology. Certain groups of people hate Americans. And they will try to kill us. Which is why I don’t really give a rat’s ass if the NSA compiles al these phone/email/internet records. If it stops a terrorist attack, great. If they use it for other purposes (say, like the IRS is being accused of), then THEY should face jail time. Use it for the intended reasons, fine. Use it for political advantage, go to jail.

  84. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Ohh NoFear. Always the hindsight weasel.
    .
    Gee, Obama invented presidential scandals as well. Since you turn a blind eye to Bush, I can overlook a few wiretaps. The thing is, Bush’s blunders cost thousands of lives. Both soldiers and citizens. Obama’s screw-ups haven’t been nearly as costly.
    .
    Besides, if 9/11 happened on Clinton’s watch, you’d be howling about that til the cows came home. Since it didn’t, it
    s still Clinton’s. Funny how the inheriting piece of being a president only works one way.
    .
    Bush disbands the Al Queida/bin Laden task force, and Clinton gets the blame for 9/11. Obama inherits $10 trillion in debt, and Bergs cows about the gas prices in 2008. And I’m party guy. Too funny.
    .
    Anyhow, end of rant.

  85. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Aaron Hernandez is gonna do swell in prison. Inmates love tight ends.

  86. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Afghanistan used to have one of the more advanced civilizations in the world.
    A stopover for Marco Polo’s father and Marco Polo himself on the Silk Road to China.
    Then Genghis Khan sent an embassy from his empire in Mongolia (with threats, of course), and the leader of Afghan sent the embassy’s heads back.
    End of Afghanistan as a somewhat civilized country.
    Genghis Khan came back with his cavalry and pretty well exterminated all vestiges of civilization there (and millions of Afghans).

  87. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    That guy looks like like Matt Millen, BTW. He’s a little smarter . . .

  88. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, at Cal I used to play chess with two associate profs after school.
    They used to argue politics all the time and bait each other.
    When Argentina took the Falklands, the one guy is taunting the other guy.
    The other guy simply says, “It will take two weeks for the British Navy to get there.”

  89. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    There was a “mistake”, too. The French Exocet missile had never been fired in anger before.
    The British lost a cruiser, I believe, in about 30 seconds.
    Anyway, great old Bogie film just on, and I’m pretty much done with flicks for the day.
    Bogie murders his wife, and her sister, who he is love with, suspects him and gets her revenge.
    Slowly. Very slowly drives him mad until he slips up on one of his alibis to the police.

  90. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis and 12:32 win the internet for today.
     
    The happiest man on earth today? Aaron Hernandez’s lawyer. He’s planning where to buy his next vacation home as we speak.

  91. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If Muslims could ever figure out how to get along, they could have taken over the world years ago. Suleiman the Magnificent came pretty close . . .

  92. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Del- One who goes to prison as a tight end soon turns into a wide receiver!

  93. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    And Bergs is open . . .

  94. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Berger- sounds kinda like confucius. Ur not stealing his lines are u?

  95. winderNo Gravatar says:

    dennis – Sept.3rd is our go date for the espn league but what about the Yahoo one?

  96. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    bullit- It seems your buddy Thomas Friedman is saying very similar things as what I have just said. We know what we need to do but nobody wants to do it. He seems to be saying what would work is what we did in Iraq but nobody wants us to do it. I just said that above.
     
    I tried to keep it succinct but the rest of the story is; as much as Syria is like Iraq there are some big differences. The biggest being “Oil for food” which Russia, Germany and France were using to leverage against us. That had to be broken up and is what I believe, the biggest reason we went into Iraq. We don’t have that situation with Syria. Also, Syria is not paying 25,000 dollars to families who supply suicide bombers. Iraq was the #1 dealer in terrorism because of those pay-outs. It had to be stopped. People couldn’t even ride the bus in Israel without fear of being blown up.  
     
    Even though it would work, we don’t need to rush things in Syria like we did in Iraq. But we need to do something to bring some stability over there. I’d bomb them with pamphlets and radio propaganda for a few years and see where that leads. Any invasion would have to be by the UN and not the US. At least at this point right now.

  97. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    winder- I think I once read some confucius in a fortune cookie. I know all about him now!

  98. winderNo Gravatar says:

    dennis – or did I read last yrs draft time about the espn?

  99. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah Berger I always found fortune cookies quite enlightening.
    .
    Been having some fun on the espn nfcw blog. Lots of moronic Seawad fans and it truly is comical. However, there are also many idiotic Ram fans too.
    Nothing like this blog and chuck’s where we are sensible and truly understand the game of football.

  100. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    LOL! You said it brother!

  101. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    There was a comment that Aaron Hernandez hadn’t been charged with anything yet so why did I think it might happen?
    Are these the actions of an innocent man?
    Aaron Hernandez is beyond dumb.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/report-hernandez-destroyed-cell-phone-surveillance-system/

  102. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    OK, I was wrong. It’s incredibly hot and humid right now, and even the AC can’t keep up.
    Dean Martin and Ida Lupino movie on now.
    Dean is Guv and being owned by the richest guy in the State and his cronies.
    She finagles her way into Lt. Guv, then Dean almost gets assassinated by the guy for crossing him.
    So Ida becomes acting Guv. Saves tons of money for the State by cutting the waste and fraud.
    Ida retired from being an actress and became a producer.
    Great political movie about the real workings.
    Dean is trying to return to office now.

  103. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    She is an absolute bearcat in the flick and a much better Guv than Dean.
    I’m think he’s beginning to realize it.

  104. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    The coup de gras might be that Aaaron Hernandez hired a team of
    cleaners to scrub down his house on Monday before the cops arrived.
    This is like a comedy of things a guilty person shouldn’t do.

  105. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Oh Bullitt. Why must you be such a weenie?
    .
    Yeah, I said he wasn’t charged with anything yet. You wait until more info comes to light to throw your childish comment.
    .
    Bully for you.

  106. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Nice, Winder!

  107. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Doesn’t look like any of that Hernandez bunch suffers from a weighty IQ.
     
    Booking a whole crew of Merry Maids for next-day service is pretty impressive though.

  108. robNo Gravatar says:

    ashad and hernandez should share the same cell imo !

  109. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Berger

    Friedman is a very good writer and he gives an honest assessment to complicated situations.

  110. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Friedman is a John Maynard Keynes Democrat.
    I respect his opinions. I don’t always agree with them, but I respect them.
    JMK wrote after Republicans Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover were consecutive Republican Presidents.
    The Party changed dramatically after Teddy died.
    I’m a Social Democrat. I think Teddy would have approved. Look up all the reforms that Republican did.

  111. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    “Bully!”
    Teddy was a cripple from youth who had to fight back.
    When Howard Taft, the fattest Prez in US history, was on the way to winning, Teddy organized the Bull Moose Party (not its official name).
    He was running for a third term; it wasn’t Unconstituonal back then, but I don’t think he honestly expected to win.
    He just wanted to sink Taft’s Ship.
    Then he got shot.
    And he STILL went on that expedition with his son Kermit down what is now known as “Rio Roosevelt”.
    Only after a speaking tour through South America describing American Foreign Policy in the Americas in South America.
    There are good Prez’s, there are bad Prez’s, but at least we can vote.

  112. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Winder, I activated the yahoo! FF. Draft is also set for 9/3. But as always, times and dates are SUBJECT TO CHANGE. I’ll let everyone.
    .
    I also added a lot more defense. Why? Because if the Niners would have had any, they just might have won the Super Bowl. Defense Wins Championships!

  113. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, what’s the link again?

  114. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Dennis, I tried to check your new system, but I just couldn’t get a message through.
    I’m the only guy signed up for your Yahoo league now?
    That’s a rhetorical question.
    My real question is how do I change the team name to the Roadrunners?

  115. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Harley driver next door just went out to the bar or something and woke me up, so I’m in a pissy mood.
    I swear I’m moving back to the mountains as soon as I can arrange it.
    Pakis planted a spy as a 7-11 owner back east, and he started smuggling other Pakis in.
    I don’t trust Pakis. Not as far as I could throw them.
    Mexicans on the other hand, I trust. Not completely, Mexico is a big country with an awful lot of evil people.
    The good people sneak into New Mexico or Nebraska or Colorado looking for work.
    No problem with them, Mexico is our long time friend.
    I want to find and marry an Hispanic woman because they can cook like you won’t believe.
    End of rant.

  116. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

  117. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    No there isn’t.

2018 Schedule
9-9, L: Vikings 24, 49ers 16
9-16, W: 49ers 30, Lions 27

9-23: @ Chiefs, 10:00 am, Sun.
9-30: @ Chargers, 1:25 pm, Sun.
10-7: vs. Cardinals, 1:25 pm, Sun.
10-15: @ Packers, 5:15 pm, Mon.
10-21: vs. Rams, 5:20 pm, Sun.
10-28: @ Cardinals, 1:25 pm, Sun.
11-1: vs. Raiders, 5:20 pm, Thur.
11-12: vs. Giants, 5:15 pm, Mon.
BYE
11-25: @ Tampa, 10:00 am, Sun.
12-2: @ Seattle, 5:20 pm, Sun.
12-9: vs. Broncos, 1:25 pm, Sun.
12-16: vs. Seattle, 1:25 pm, Sun.
12-23: vs. Bears, 1:05 pm, Sun.
12-30: @ Rams, 1:25 pm, Sun.
 
2018 Draft Class
1. OT Mike McGlinchey
2. WR Dante Pettis
3. LB Fred Warner
3. DB Tarvarius Moore
4. DE Kentavius Street
5. CB D.J. Reed
6. S Marcell Harris
7. DT Jullian Taylor
7. WR Richie James
 
2018 Prognostications
Bakkentom: 8-8
Bullit: 9-7
Grumpy: 8-8
Mr Fletch: 7-9
NJ49er: 9-7
Skeebers: 10-6
Winder: 8-8

Spitblood: 0-16
Rob!!!: 16-0

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