Razing Arizona

Three years and one universe ago, Kurt Warner was the Arizona Cardinals’ quarterback, they were the reigning NFC West champions who had been narrowly defeated in the 2008 Super Bowl, Shaun Hill was the 49ers’ QB, Mike Singletary was beginning his first year as head coach, and Alex Smith was the second string QB, finally back in action after two years on IR.

A lot has changed, but one thing has been constant: the 49ers have been whipping they butts. Our boys have won 5 of the past 6 games, with the only loss coming last year when our secondary started making dinner reservations in the 4th quarter instead of covering their receivers, squandering a game that was well in hand. It was the most shameful loss of the season.

The Cardinals began this year with four straight wins, including a shocking take down of the Patriots in Foxboro. They have since returned to earth with three straight losses, including a home loss to a Buffalo team that had been absolutely butchered by the Niners. Arizona has a great defense, a dangerous return man in Patrick Peterson, and not much else. Their O-line is fabulously inept, their QB a third string talent, and their running game is MIA.

Are you listening, 49er guys? A loss to these bums would be totally unacceptable.

A win would put the Niners at 6-2 heading into their Bye week, putting a serious owie into the regression prognosticators who predicted the team would drop back to a 9-7 record this year. It would also enable them to enjoy the Bay Area celebration of yet another SF Giants World Series title, before resuming their duties against the Rams. Not to mention they would also be able to go Trick or Treating without having doors slammed in their faces.

The Seahawks have been strutting their mouths lately, which is a bit strange. After all, they’re a 4-3 team that should be a 3-4 team and everybody knows it, and they just had their manhood rubbed into the dirt of Candlestick by the 49ers on national TV. This smacks of low self-image attempting to disguise an inferiority complex by throwing rocks from behind your mother’s skirts. That might be a mixed Freudaphor, but you get my meaning — I think. Get a grip, Seattle.

Speaking of Seattle, they play at Detroit Sunday. They should win, but they stink on the road, so maybe they won’t. Detroit has to be in full desperation mode for this game. A loss would put them squarely in the cellar, close the door on any playoff hopes for this year, and might even get Jim Schwartz fired. Not that we would care about Schwartz, but it’s been kind of fun kicking the little runt’s ass. It’ll be sad to see him disappear into the coordinator recycling bin that swallows up all failed coaches.

The national press decided to ignore the awesomeness of the 49er running game against Seattle and instead focus on one play in the game that allowed them to reach an article’s worth of trashing Alex Smith. Two Yahoo articles and one SI effort. The play was a third and seven QB draw late in the game. The kind of play call that looks brilliant if it succeeds, and not so brilliant if it doesn’t.

It didn’t. This led the articleers to surmise that Jim Harbaugh had no faith in Smith’s passing and that Smith was losing confidence in himself. One of the articles suggested it was time to switch to Colin Kaepernick. Two locker room quotes were used to buttress the 49er players waning confidence in Smith, though neither quote actually provided said specific buttressization.

However, it’s been mentioned by some of our broom flying brethren that my reading glasses have a rosean tint. They look fine to me, but here are the links to the articles, in case anyone wants to read them through their own looking glasses:

Jim Trotter.

Jason Cole

Mike Silver

If that doesn’t warm the cauldron, then by all means, Go SF Giants!

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  1. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    These are legit questions except for here Skeebs, hence the rosieness of your occular apparati.
    You oversimplified their points and Crabs comment speaks for itself. Incidentally, Greg Cosell wrote a piece in similar vein.

    We need a larger sample size imo.

  2. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    This would seem a fairly straightforward exercise. Bottle up Fitz and pound Skelton into submission. AZ is not a good running team so we can play a lot of nickel again. On offense, they like to go after the QB, too, so don’t give them the opportunity. Pound the ball with our physical O-line. Throw screens and quick passes on first down to get manageable second and third downs. Don’t let the crowd become a factor; get a lead early and keep the Cards from making big plays. Execute and don’t make mistakes, and we should win, 24-13ish.

  3. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    12th, Crabs comment came after being asked about the QB draw. Here it is:
     
    “I don’t want to talk about it, bro,” he said. “Cause I know if I say something. … We won – you know what I mean? I can’t say anything, because we won.”
     
    Nowhere in his answer does he specify anything. Not toward Smith or toward Roman’s choice of plays.
     
    Cosell trashes Smith as often as the Coven. Maybe I should invite him to be a member!

  4. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m with Crabtree. I want more Spread offense. But we are 5-2. I’d say something, but… it is just hard to camplain about winning.

  5. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs, Cosell gives his opinion of the player and the plays.
    He works for NFL films. What possible axe could he have to grind against Smith? His opinion doesn’t fit your meme so he is trashing the guy?
    Crabs doesn’t outright condemn Smith or Roman, he refuses to say what he wants to. Well since he plays for the team and relies on Smith and Roman to get him the ball is that a shock? You want specific words to be spoken before you will agree that Crabs is obviously unhappy with play selection and/or QB play?

    See a pattern in your position Skeebs? Step back a little and look again through a broader lens. You don’t have to agree with the points being made, but your “reasons” for dismissal of them is just cheerleaderesque.

  6. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, everybody gets that we are winning. That does not mean critisism of the team, players or coaching is just nonsense just because we are winning.

  7. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The Cards can get after the QB. They beat Brady in Foxborough. They have a really good D-line. Plus, their tall linemen bat down a lot of balls when they don’t get to the QB. Ground and pound sounds good to me. Especially when you consider we should be able to contain their offense with that bad O-line they have. Remember, effective running of the ball can be done from a spread formation.

  8. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Feel free to complain. I was speaking for myself.

  9. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    12th, Crabs basically said “No comment.” I’m not reading anything into that like you are. The article is titled: “Conservative play call raises question whether Niners have complete confidence in Alex Smith.” That’s the point Silver wants to make and Crabtree’s no comment doesn’t make it. Sorry. It’s you who shows a meme.
     
    I didn’t say Cosell had an axe to grind. He just never has liked Smith and almost never says anything good about him. Doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong. Just a fact.

  10. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I rather think I shall Bergs, and conversely area of elite play shall likewise receive high praise, such as the awesome running game we have going at the moment. I think mixing run pass will be effective against the Cards, that D line if it stacks the box will be tough all day. I thought that about the Squawks too though and we did overpower them so we shall see.

  11. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, teams like Seattle and AZ would be RIPE to run screens against. If they aren’t packing the line, send the WRs deep and open up the flat. Bergs is right about them batting balls down, but still and all, screens would work pretty well against their aggressive D line.
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    Besides, we haven’t run screens successfully in years (ONE this year?). RB screens anyway. They won’t expect it.

  12. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs I’m surprised that you feel Crabs saying “cause I know if I say something” doesn’t imply anything, but that’s up to you. Cosell has written what he consitantly see’s from Smith. A more or less average QB who is hesitant and has holes in his game that good D can exploit. PFF has Smith ranked 15th and that’s with being behind an O line than is ranked 1 or 2 in various categories.
    You are free to see it however you want to but I think your vision and writting is decidedly pink in hue.

  13. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Alex has more wins than any QB since the beginning of the 2011 season. You can figure out why he is a bad QB, or figure out why we are winning and expand on that. I choose that approach. If you want to criticise, proceed.
     
    I do know a running game is important in the play-offs. When I disagree with you you seem to feel like I am in attack mode. I will continue to wear my rose colored glasses and you can continue to tell us the sky is falling. I find the confabulation the reason these blogs are fun. If we all agreed would any of us even be here? I have no problem with you disagreeing. Just quit acting like we kicked your dog each time we have opinions that don’t match yours. Nobody disagree more than Dennis and I. We punk each other here and then talk on the phone and laugh about it. It is all good if that is how you see it. Or bad if that is how you see it. Just remember; life is good, football is better!

  14. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, can teams win with a strong running game and average QB play? Sure. That was what happened vs Seattle. Do you think the Niners can win in the playoffs like that? Doubtful. Eli’s a bit tougher than Russell Wilson. For all the progress Smith made in the GB, Detroit, and Buff games, we are back to the perception that Smith can’t hit anything over 8 yards. Throw in the Cappy plays in the red zone, and the conservative play calling in Seattle, and the assumption is pretty easy to make. Yeah, we are winning, but this style won’t fly in the playoffs. This is was and will be my biggest concern. VD hass been pretty effectively neutralized in a lot of games this year. WR catches are up, but lately they are sliding back down.
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    I’m worried about what happens if the Niners fall behind like they did vs the Giants. And please don’t bring up last year. Last year, we had shit for WRs and still came back numerous times. The 2 times we’ve fallen behind, well, we didn’t come back at all.

  15. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, to say Alex has won all these games these past 2 years is to pin all the losses on him those seasons before that. He’s part of a system. Yes, he’s a big part. But the Niners last year consistently got turnovers, and turned punts and kickoffs into huge field position advantages, and with that favorable field position, kicked the most FGs by any team in NFL history. Not a stunning indictment, but the reality that this team had the most favorable field position in the league, yet didn’t capitalize fully on these opportunities and ended up 11th in scoring. With a great defense, this led to a lot of close wins. Sure, it should have been enough to win the NFCC game, but we all know what happened.
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    This year? Even with the slaughters vs Buff and the Jets, the Niners are 15th in the league in scoring. Down from last year. The team doesn’t seem to be playing as well as last year, even though the running game is clicking, and we have more weapons at WR. The D is not as dominant as last year, and certainly the DBs have left about 6 picks out in the field, but no one ever thought they’d go +28 again. ST isn’t a solid either. SO, Smith is being looked to as the guy who has to make up the difference. The results are mixed.

  16. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    How do you explain a 5-2 record without the turnover ratio we had last year? The Giants game exposed our predictable play calling. The play calling is not consistent with getting a QB into a rhythm very often. It consists of a lot of running and some passing to mix it up. I don’t have problem with that as long as we keep winning. If we stop that I’ll be the first to complain about the play calling.
     
    The thing about Alex is he understands what the coaches are calling and he’s playing the game plan that is instituted. Most QBs are not that patient and that goes for fans even more so. When you watch Brees, Brady and the rest, they go for stretches before they get into a rhythm too. The big difference is their coaches keep calling plays to get their offense into that passing rhythm. Our coaches do not have that mentality. I do not see that changing soon since I saw Harbaugh do the same with the best QB in college. This is the same offense he ran with Andrew Luck, and will probably be the same offense he runs when Alex is long gone. I hope I am wrong about that, but my sample size is large enough with Harbaugh to form an opinion that I feel is correct.
     
    Compare our 49ers to 1972 Miami Dolphins. There are comments made to this day of how good Bob Griese was, or wasn’t, when you consider how well the back up, Earl Morrall, did when Bob missed much of the perfect season with a broken ankle. This type of offense seems to always get grief for the QB. But it wins with the proper personnel. We just might have that proper personnel!
     
    I’ve got my rose colored glasses on!

  17. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    unca- Alex gets credit for the wins because this discussion is about Alex. Also, he got the credit for all the losses, why doesn’t he get credit for the wins? We all know the QB gets too much credit for the wins and losses, but we also need to be consistent. If the hanging posse can blame the losses on him than the us smarter fans(LOL) can give him the wins.

  18. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Come on, Bergs. Neither is true. Singletary’s mantra of ‘the QB is just another player on the team’ is false. BUT, football is a team game. There are many moments in a game that can change it. Under Nolan, the Niners lost a ton of close games. Same with Sing. mainly because of the conservative natures of their systtems. Neither tried to force the advantage and try and get a big lead early. It was always reactionary. Those close losses suddendly became wins under Harbaugh. Why? Well, Smith played his part. But so did a better defensive philosophy under Fangio. So did a stronger ST unit. They ALL contributed. Smith led some strong comebacks. People look to the QB as the determiner of a team’s fate, but there were many factors as to how and why the Niners got better. The truth is, as V is so wont to decry, parity means that a small tweak here or there, and you go from doormat to elite.
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    When Smith was a rookie, he had little to nothing around him on the team. His second year, he got better, and the wins came. The next 3 years were injuries and demotions. Now we are at the stage where Smith had a solid year, and took the team to the doorstep. Now? Well, he’s had a couple shakey games. He’s going to play through them, but when you see the things Harbaugh has done recently (Cappy in for plays at the goal line, running plays on 3rd and 7 near the red zone), these things come across as the coach not having confidence in his QB.
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    Is that true? There’s no way to know, because we are in the middle of this. Come Monday night, we all will see what happens. But if the Cappy down close plays still happen, and the conservative play calling remains, the inference is that Harbaugh is not quite sold on Smith’s ability to make a big play. Yeah, down and distance, score, time ofn the clock all play a part in the plays being called, but I’m fairly confident we can all understand when Harbaugh is playing it safe.

  19. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The 72 Dolphins are all well and good, but the game is LIGHT YEARS different from those days. The comparison simply can’t be made.
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    Greise called his own plays. The plays were schoolyard shit compared to the sophisticated offense run now.
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    My biggest beef with Harbaugh IS the Cappy plays. They worked the first few times, but now all they serve to do is disrupt the offense. Besides, the run game doesn’t kill the flow of the offense. It is an integral part of it. Both have to be working to sustain drives and score TDs.

  20. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Take a look at the Minn game, Bergs. The Niners threw on 15 of the first 18 plays.
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    THAT was the problem. Being too one-dimensional.

  21. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, that’s a couple of times you’ve said something similar about my replies to you. I think you are perceiving something from my writing style that I don’t intend. It probably comes from my profession that means my writing style is a little stiff. It gets a lot lighter after a few beers. I like the disparate opinions and its not personal to me. I took a little swipe a bit at Skeebs cause I think he is beginning to cheer lead where Alex is concerned. This tired idea that wins means Alex must be playing well is simplistic. There is some correlation yes, but one does not signify the other. I put the links up to the writers that Skeebs used to undercut the idea he puts forward of its just a few crybabies in a coven moaning and groaning when in fact these are widely held questions and are legitimate IMO.

  22. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, my beef with the Kaep plays are how they are using him in them. They are going back to the well too often with the same limited script. I think the timing was bad a couple of times too. Berger was right, the kid is talented. We don’t know the extent of his defense reading ability cause he hasn’t been allowed to show it yet.

  23. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I don’t think Roman spends the time developing plays to get receivers open as he does figuring how to get rushing yards. His pass play calling is very generic. His running game is imaginative as heck. We run deep routes with little left to come back to underneath. Short passes become 1st reads in desperation because of this. In the Seattle game they took advantage of this on the scoring drive, then Seattle shut it down, but then some longer routes came open. I would like to see more imagination in the passing game. I don’t blame the receivers not getting open on anything more than the game plan. I know our receivers are better than that. If Roman spent as much time developing the pass game as he does on the run game we would probably get more open receivers. We got receivers open vs Buffalo and the passing game excelled. I’d like to see more of that. But don’t get me wrong, we are winning, I’ll take that over anything else.

  24. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    There are plenty of open receivers to target. Just not the one Alex is locked on, too often. If you defend the flats with man and put a spy on the dump off you’ve shut down three quarters of Alex’s game. Do you think those film studies are lost on the DCs we play? The only thing in the way is our running game is too big a threat for a big play if not contained.
     
    I think Roman’s play calling is hugely better than anything we’ve seen here for years. Some folks’ reasoning starts off with a conclusion and works backward to explain it. If the thinking begins with ‘it’s not Alex’s fault’ there are any number of culprits we can put in the crosshairs to blame.
     
    I think it’s much more likely that we’re calling plays that the coaches figure give us the best chance of ‘matriculating the ball down the field.’ There’s a flow to it when you get it right that keeps the offense movign and the defense guessing. You can think we’re calling palys that keep Alex from performing or you can think we’re calling plays restricted by what the coaches know about Alex.

  25. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Nicely done NF.

  26. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The thing is, they didn’t do anything different vs Buffalo. Other than try to lengthen the routes some. Same with the Jet game. They both have bad defenses. You may be right about the lack of imagination though, and Bullit touched on the fact that they should be doing more to get VD involved, but in the end it’s on the players to make the plays and get open. And it’s on Smith to find them. Smith WILL look bad if his WRs aren’t getting open.
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    Even before Roman, there was NEVER any routes that seemd to help Smith when he broke contain. When Smith went outside the pocket, everyone broke long. There was never an outlet underneath. Hence the knock that Smith would always roll right and throw out of bounds. That was out of necessity. If everyone is going deep and not looking, how do you throw them the ball?

  27. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, maybe because so many pass plays that are designed deeper than three step drops would allow come with seven man protection packages.
     
    On so many plays Alex does not scan the receivers to see who may be beating their coverage. Usually, if the primary is struggling to get open Smith prefers holding the ball to looking for his other targets.
     
    The ARI game obviously comes down to their passing game versus our running game, unless KO returns become a factor. We always have to stop Fitz and usually keep him quiet. They have too many other decent receivers to forget about though. Their thunder and lightning type RBs would be a threat if they could run block, but they can’t. So as Grumpy says, the nickel should be seen extensively. Happily we seem to play better in that form, and get better pressure with Justin working inside taking out the LG and C or T. Looking for more stunts and Willis/Bowman blitzes to rattle their QB.

  28. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- As I was writing my previous post I predicted your response. No QB can look at the whole field at once. That is a preposterous notion. Plays are called on timing. We call for the primary route, if not there the timing should be right for the 2nd, then dump off or scramble at some point. Our plays fall apart when the primary is not open. Often, you can see Alex’s eyes going to the 2nd receiver and nobody is available. At that point it is buy time and find somebody. An offense should be more sophisticated than that. Every NFL game I watch there is an open receiver that the QB does not see. This is from all NFL QBs. To pick out a play or two in any game to prove that point is easy with any QB. To fool the hanging posse with that info is like shooting fish in a barrel. They count on you to give them hope that our problem is our QB.
     
    I agree our play calling is much better these days than for years. The thing is the imagination is for the running game more than the passing game. I do like a solid running game, I’d just like to see more attention to the passing game.
     
    What I’d like to see is more Spread. I have no problem with running the ball, just do it out of the Spread so when we do pass it is not so obvious. The QB can be under center or in shot gun in spread formations. With spread formations the QB has easier pre snap reads and it allows him to go through his progressions faster because he has a better read, pre snap, on what to expect. This why all the top QB use the Spread. We need to get up to speed. But we are winning, so I’m saying this as devil’s advocate. The main thing is to keep winning. If doing what we are doing keeps winning I’ll go light on the arm chair coaching.

  29. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    There’s no sophistication to getting open. You can design plays to rub the CB or whatever, but the play usually happens within 4 seconds. Even the deeper routes. The deal with the Niners in recent memory is since they never had much of a deep passing game, no one respected it, and they played their safeties in, so there were no zones to sit in for the WRs. Therefore no one got open. VD was the one guy who was usually manned up with an LB, and in the early days he could get open while guys likie Battle and Morgan and Crabs would struggle most of the time.
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    Even with Smith in the ‘gun/spread, the reads have to be made quick and the ball has to get out fast. Since the Niners aren’t doing much of that anyway, the point is moot. It still behooves Smith to hit the passes that are there.
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    ANd that being said, I see improvement in the passing game vs AZ with Manningham coming back.

  30. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Is it that Roman spends most of his time designing running plays and not enough on passing or is it that the running game is statiscally more likely to be more successful than the passing game?
    Is it that Roman is just not very adept at designing passing plays or is it that the QB is limited in some respects which limits how exotic the plays can be?
    Is it that the receivers are not getting open or that they are not getting open sufficiently for Alex to pull the trigger?

    Everyone I have read that accesses the 22 film has the same opinion, coincidence?

    Speaking for myself Bergs I don’t need anyone else to speak for me or to formulate an opinion on my behalf.

  31. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    So you are admitting you are part of the hanging posse?

  32. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Lol, I’m stating my position.

  33. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t know what that 4:31 post was. I think I need a new keyboard.

  34. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    That really did make me laugh Bergs.

  35. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Gunfight at the OK Corral…

  36. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We could get a QB who throws deep more often. The trade off is more turnovers. I think Kappy would throw deep a lot. I’m anxious to see him go. Thing is we are winning with Alex. I’m not one to make changes very quickly with winning. Alex has more wins than any other QB since the start of thew 2011 season. It is no coincidence. Harbaugh and Smith are a good match. Like Shula and Griese.
     
    People loved Marino, but he got Shula no SB wins. People here are wanting Marino when we already have Griese. I find the extrapolation accurate and interesting.

  37. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    12th- Your questions were valid. Difference between you and I is I have see it one way and you the other. Alex Smith is the gift to 49er blogs that keeps on giving.

  38. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah he really is Bergs. This stretch of down time and a bye next week is a killer.

  39. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Going back to your 4.40 Bergs, it’s true that more TO come from going deep more, higher risk passes but conversely it should also lead to more TD’s. The other parts to that are as long as we are past the 50 when throwing deep most TO are akin to a punt and also that even with a TO they still have to deal with our D.
    I’m not saying TO are of no consequence but that if we score more as well it may work out in our favor. Higher risk, higher reward.

  40. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Anther way to look at it is when we eat clock with a few 1st downs before we have to punt we don’t give the opposing QB as much of a chance to get into a rhythm. Throwing deep might be like a punt but it gives the opposing QB more opportunities to catch that rhythm because he gets the ball back quicker and more often. This is whether the ball is intercepted or we get a quick score. Our way is called winning ugly, but it is called winning.

  41. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    True Bergs but im not advocating we become the Pats. Heavy run game is fine by me but mix it up in the formations, some running out of the spread as well as deep shot plays off play action and the high percentage underneath stuff. In short more variation in the passing game and more deep stuff. The question is can Alex handle that and is that why we are not seeing too much of it and are fairly predictable in the passing game?

  42. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I really think Alex is best in the spread.

  43. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, does the fact that you always end up changing your defense of Alex to an argument of wins are better than losses tell you anything?
     
    The big problem with that in the context of defending Alex, is that winning for this team means running game, defense and special teams, NOT passing, most often.

  44. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    You design your offense around your QB. Simple, but ask Andy Reid if great coaches forget.
    The ’72 Fins had a three-headed backfield that is still the envy of the league and was only broken up by the WFL. Paul Warfield, and that All-World Center.
    You ground and pound, and toss the ball downfield a few times a game.
    As insane as Bill Walsh’s playbook was, it was geared to the strengths and weaknesses of his QB at hand.
    Ground, pound and rely on the D. Just don’t use Frank if he’s hurt.

  45. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Marino’s problem is that too often he was a one-man band. No running game, not much defense, just chuck and duck. Repeatedly got them to the playoffs where they got spanked by balanced teams (including us).

  46. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The Coyote hunting contest is back on in NM. Dennis, the team name from now on is the Roadrunners.

  47. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Grumpy- I believe Marino had a fantastic defense. He never let it get a rest. He was a great passer, but not a very good QB. His game management stunk. Is it a coicidence Fouts, who was similar, never won a SB either? Joe Montana was the best QB of all time becausae he was the best game manager. He was very concious of keeping his defense rested.

  48. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- I did not know you had a problem with winning being the ultimate stat? We agree to disagree.

  49. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger, we disagree on what? Some line of bullshit you falsely attribute to me? Is making up shit to argue with your way of saying there is no defending such a piss poor quarterback anymore? Maybe you think every player is playing a perfect game as long as we end up with the win.
     
    Now that some national press is finally hopping off the Alex bandwagon maybe some of you bleeding hearts will take a more subjective look at what’s going on and put that blind support born of nothing but sympathy to rest.

  50. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- What do we disagree on? You don’t like me throwing out wins as a stat. Isn’t that what you just said? Am I wrong? I think it is the ultimate stat. Do you agree or disagree?

  51. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The thing about Alex is he understands what this team is and plays his role to maximize the cohesiveness instead of trying to fatten his stats. It contributes to the wins. Need I echo, I think wins are the ultimate stat!

  52. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    “Now that some national press is finally hopping off the Alex bandwagon…”
     
    That’s pretty funny, NF. When were they ever ON the bandwagon. You can’t hardly read anything about the Niners without the writer mentioning how Smith is the weak link. This is not new national insight at all. More like a never ending drumbeat that can’t quite believe he just keeps winning in spite of all their brilliant analysis.

  53. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Hey, where can I get some of those Rosy colored glasses? Against Buffalo Alex was lights out. Mayby he is just hot and cold with his passing attack. And our running game and D are the contants. Could be.

  54. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    If we would have signed Manning, there would be no Coven. Peyton’s more like the Ark of the Covenant. Manning and the Niners would be ruling the world right after Indiana Jones found it in that large goddamn warehouse.

  55. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Cosell would be the biggest fraud if the 49ers win the Super Bowl. His cedibility rides on Alex failing.

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Just heard tonight why Nevada’s coach Ault called his formation the Pistol. The QB lines up in shot gun, but closer to the line of scrimmage, or shorter than a shot gun, which is what a pistol is, shorter than a shot gun! He did that because he wanted it to be a downhill running formation. I would expect to eventually see more of this formation from Harbaugh. We are already seeing it used some in every game.

  57. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    If we had signed Manning, he’d likely be out of football. He would have died in the Giants game.
    .
    Christ. Wins and losses don’t mean shit til the playoffs. Smith is 1-1. I hope he improves on that. The Pats go 18-1. Not a successful year. The Giants go 12-7? Super Bowl champs.
    .
    Like the Marino conversation. Great at winning in the reg season, but the team wasn’t playoff strong. No run game. Fouts? Well whoever on the Bolts decided to trade Fred Dean likely traded away their Super Bowl chances with him. Their defense wasn’t too bad until they traded pieces away.

  58. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger,
    You’re treading on dangerous ground.
     
    Question:
    “Does Alex Smith suck?”
    Berger:
    “Wins are what’s important.”
     
    Question:
    “Were requests for help at the US Consulate in Benghazi denied?”
    Obama:
    “I want a thorough investigation (after the election).”
     
     
    I’ve watched the SEA game too many times now and I noticed we brought out the pistol a couple of times and ran the ball from it and it looked pretty clumsy. One of those times might have been a home run for Gore but the FB Miller(?) missed his block on the LB completely. If we use it, it needs lots more practice.
     
     
    Skeebers,
    You’re right about that. Everyone, with the exception of a few blinded fans, knows Alex is the weak link. It’s just that when he was mentioned in the past the mention always came with a half dozen excuses for why he’s struggled and a mention or two of some imagined or hoped for strength or a “but his audibles were great” attempt at a compliment. It appears the worm of public support, feigned or otherwise, may have turned. Now with another poor showing the pundits’ questioning will become more intense. Another performance like BUF and most of the talking heads will hold their tongues. Do you think ARI will look like BUF or NYG?

  59. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Maybe if I bought an Alex Smith jersey it would help. It sure worked with Dwayne Board and Freddie Solomon.

  60. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey Winder,
    If I had him on one of my fantasy teams I’d bench him every week. That’s a can’t-miss good game for any player on my roster.

  61. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    NF, AZ will look like Seattle – beaten!

  62. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    oFear- I’ll answer your question directly: No, Alex does not suck. Please ask another question. I probably have the answer for you!
     
    BTW, to address your analogy, the Libya attacks were because of a video, if you believe the President. I don’t. I believe that was a cover up because O is trying tell us voters Al Queida is under control, but the truth is they are actually stronger than ever. We are not allowed to know that by the puppet media pre election. He was letting the media know how he wants that attack on the US handled. They followed suit with tingling legs.

  63. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear- Now answer my question. Are wins the most important stat?

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebs- Why did you delete About Religion?

  65. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    If you want to know what is really going on in the world try BBC world news service.

  66. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    “If we had signed Manning, he’d likely be out of football.”
     
    No, Chuck. Manning wouldn’t be out of football. Peyton would be having the same fantastic comeback year here in San Francisco as he’s experiencing in Denver. Furthermore, if Manning were here playing quarterback at his customary Hall of Fame level, there would be no Coven. Nothing to bitch and moan about in regards to the 49er QB position. Which in turn would give you and everyone else here more free time to spend with the wife and kids. How’s that for a Halloween scare. Boo Alex!

  67. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    I have to say Im surprised at how well Manning has done in his comeback bid so far. Close to career setting levels for him with average WR in general. Good for him.

  68. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    From Barrows talking about the Zona D:
    The suddenly defense-oriented Cardinals have 22 sacks this season and have held opponents to six touchdown passes, tied for the league low. The average passer rating against them, 67.4, is the second lowest in the NFL.Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/26/4940103/with-arizona-next-it-wont-get.html#storylink=cpy

    I don’t know about you guys but pre-season this was one of the games I had put in the loss column as one of the 5 games I thought we would probably lose. A tough division opponent on the road is no easy win.

    The way they have played more recently leads me to think we win this one now.

  69. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    12th, I’m not the least bit surprised at Peyton Manning’s comeback.
    He was sailing passes, off target with his receivers, the Broncos offense wasn’t understanding the plays he calls on the field…
    Then the Texans drove his neck into the ground on two straight plays on late cheap shot roughing penalties.
    The next time the Texans got the ball, Schaub lost part of his ear and is lucky he still has his head.
    Peyton’s been back to HOF QB ever since. He can’t play D and ST, too, though.
    But that’s why I had to beat Dennis to him for the Roadrunners.

  70. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers, I’m sure you’re right. What about the passer though?
     
     
    Berger, No, wins are not a very relevant stat in evaluating individual players’ performance.
    If a kicker misses three 30yd field goals and his team ends up winning by a touchdown in the closing minutes is he a great kicker because the team won? Two games like that and he’s looking for a new home.
     
     
    No matter who tells the story they left the consulate to perish and actively stopped attempts to aid or rescue. It was Barry’s call even if he let subordinates make it. While he can’t quit huffing and puffing and patting himself on the back while referring to himself as the commander in chief ad nauseum, it appears he was more concerned with politics and keeping out of a failed rescue op than saving the lives of those folks. Shameful coward.

  71. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, I guess I failed Constituional 101. When I read about a Romney-Biden White House, I thought I slipped up and was reading the Onion.
    269-269 electoral college and that’s what we’ve got.
    I stopped trusting any of the bas*rds after LBJ. And the more I’ve read, the more lies I’ve discovered. Woodrow Wilson speechified that he would never send American boys to do a job that European boys should do. LBJ had lots of material to steal from.
    The only candidate I trust is Teddy Roosevelt. Unfortunately, all I can do is reread his books.

  72. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    *Constitutional* LOL at myself

  73. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Rufus, I’ve heard that speculated as well. That’s one way to keep Biden from ever being seen in public for a term.
     
    It’s always infuriated me that folks pick the least trustworthy candidate for his “promises” and then complain that he’s not honest with them. The idea is we’re not supposed to have to trust the guy we elect as our president or congressman. We’re supposed to elect the most morale and trustworthy and then hold their feet to the fire to make sure they’re doing what we expect. Not just taking what they give. The press was expected to dig for the facts and expose fraud and shady behavior on both sides. Fail! I see it all mostly as a result of the hippies of the sixties running the institutions of higher learning which they never left and turning out non-thinking automatons.

  74. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    *morale* LOL at myself.

  75. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    On that one, NoFear, we will always disagree. If it weren’t for the hippies, we’d still be in Nam fighting a limited war to protect an imaginary democracy.
    That’s why we’re America. We can disagree and not wind up in a Gulag in Siberia.

  76. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Marcus Lattimore of South Carolina just went from number one RB on the board next Spring to permanent disability. That was as ugly a knee injury as I can remember. The whole knee looked to have been torn apart internally, with his lower leg off at an angle. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t have nerve damage on top of all the structural issues, a la William Andrews back in the 80s.

  77. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    To finish up on Peyton on the Texans game.
    A jarhead fried of mine once described how a guy on base got killed in Alaska.
    He shot a grizzly emptying his service revolver.
    It only made the grizz mad.

  78. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    *friend* I’m losing it.
    My friends have usually been Army. One of my best friends I ever had was a tank driver for Patton. “Our blood, his glory”. The troops really felt for George S., not Hollywood movies.
    Mark Gays, RIP.
    I get along with Marines fine though. Just to clarify and show I’m kidding, no disrespect.

  79. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    You’re wrong about that brother.
     
    But for the Jane Fondas in America the war would have been won after the Viet Cong and their NVA replacements were decimated during the Tet offensive of 1968. The activity and growing strength of the war protesters convinced the Communists that they could win by waiting for the protesters to force our withdrawal. Their later victory after we were gone was handed to them by the Dems. The protesters more than anyone else have the blood from all the war dead and wounded after Tet on their hands, too.

  80. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Ho Chi Minh wrote a letter to President Truman asking for help to make VietNam free. He was ignored.
    They had been occupied by the Chinese, the French, then Vichy France gave away North VietNam to the Japanese before Japan attacked us and took the whole country.
    Then the French came back to reestablish their empire.
    President Kennedy’s executive order in September 1963 included diplomatic language that clearly spoke that we would leave.
    Then he was shot.
    I never disrespect your sacrifice NoFear. Militarily we could have won. I don’t dispute that. I don’t think anybody ever did.
    But why? Why? I know why you did what you did, you’re a patriot and an honorable man. I know that.

  81. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, I HATE Jane Fonda for what she did. Always have. Don’t get us confused. She’s rich; she wasn’t a hippie and had no worries. She should have been shot.

  82. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    There were plenty cheering her RT, to this day. Yes, she is by definition a traitor. Let’s make a movie.
     
    Eisenhower promised support if the south wanted independence. He sent SF mobile training teams to SEA, mainly in Laos preparing the indigs to defend themselves. The war began there long before the Tonkin Gulf thing.
     
    The domino theory, while laughed at by the left, was a real threat. It was, btw, stopped cold by the Vietnam War. It was about a lot more than an independent South Vietnam. If you doubt the importance or reasons why the Vietnamese and especially the Montagnards wanted to be free just look at what happened to them after the Commies rolled over the country. Ho wanted to unify and not necessarily under communism even though that’s what he had studied. Yes, there might have been a way for us to help him do that. Too many in that country didn’t want anything to do with communists but mostly they just wanted to be left alone.
     
    Soldiers don’t make the choice of where and when to fight but they’re not oblivious to the left trying to paint every war they fight as wrong and useless. Any wonder we can’t win wars anymore or even protect our diplomatic missions?

  83. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, you know I’m a student of Germany and especially The Third Reich. Tell you anything you want to know, and you don’t want to.
    Asian land wars are not strength of America,and fighting the NVA was not like fighting Nazi Germany and a Hitler Europe.
    Wasn’t it the South Vietnamese you were fighting before Tet? The VC? Honestly, I just got the story from Vets coming home. I want to learn.
    Navy, Space, Air, and work on what needs to be done at home.

  84. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Anyway, NoFear, I still salute you. I want to bury the Nam war. I wish I could forget what I know about Nazi Europe.
    Ground, pound, and rely on Patrick and Frank, because they don’t have much more time in their primes.
    5-2 and I predicted 12-6.
    They still need to draft a QB. In April.
    It snowed again in Denver last week. Soon to come here. The game changes completely when winter hits. That’s why NY, GB, NE, Pitt, always seem to be there.
    I reserve judgement until I see the injuries pile up on the frozen ground. Until I see how they react to the suddenly changed conditions.

  85. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    The Viet Cong were guerrilla fighters from the south and the north. Their base of operations was in the south. Their recruiting methods in the south were ‘persuasive’. The NVA were regulars. Uniformed, equipped and trained fighters based in the north. We fought them all and slept with one eye opened on our ARVN and LLDB counterparts.
     
    So much for free-for-all Fridays.

  86. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Again, thanks NoFear. Want to hear a funny?
    In the greatest movie of all-time, Casablanca, the plots doubles around a romantic threesome and some mysterious secret papers.
    “Signed by General DeGaulle, cannott be rescinded, not even questioned.”
    Which is why in Vichy they were soooo valuable.

  87. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    DP-Wow, this team is driving me crazy.

  88. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    1-0 the first pitch after Blanco called late timeout and Cabrera complained.
    They drive me crazy.

  89. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    2-0. The great Tigers are spooked.

  90. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    It’s all about being hot in the playoffs.
     
    Right now, the Giants are stellar class O. The Tigers know it, and are starting to be a little too tight.

  91. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Another DP-this team is driving me crazy.
    Humm Baby

  92. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Time for Timmy to get up.
    Bochy’s call.

  93. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Oh, Timmy’s warming up. I called it too soon.

  94. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    This team is going to give me another heart attack.

  95. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    The Perils of Pauline, but again, they get out of it.

  96. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, write me at patm2144@yahoo.com.
    It’s a secondary account. Maybe I can put you in touch with Vets here in NM.
    Or just tell me I’m fullofit. It’s an offer.

  97. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Now Timmy the Freak is kicking ass again.
     
    Everyone was talking about the Tigers’ pitching. Kind of like how everyone was talking about the Dolphins’ offense in ’84, before we shut them up.

  98. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    “I have to say I’m surprised at how well Manning has done in his comeback bid so far. Close to career setting levels for him with average WR in general. Good for him.”
     
    I wouldn’t go so far as calling the Broncos’ WR’s “average” in general, 12th. Demaryius Thomas is a young and rising star IMHO. He has 12 catches of +20 yds this year. Our entire WR core has 10. Vernon does have 8 himself, however. But as we all know, he’s not a WR. And Decker is a “Welker Lite” in my opinion. I’ll take a pint of Welker Lite in a frosty mug please.
     
    Bottom line: Peyton’s WR’s aren’t too shabby. I’d put their group on par with our Niner receiving core. And we definitely have the TE edge with Vernon on our side.
     
    It’s simple: Peyton makes his receivers and everyone else around him better. Alex does not.
     
    Did we sign Peyton Manning yet?

  99. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    A small private security company called “Blue Mountain Group” based out of Wales in the United Kindom was contracted for the consulate security in Benghazi. I don’t remember seeing that on Msnbc or Fox news or CNN.
    Just saying.

  100. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Sorry, I forgot to put the link:
    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19998190

  101. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    If this keeps up, you have to at least consider pulling a Righetti and leaving Lincecum in the bullpen.

  102. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    First mistake I’ve seen by the Giants in 3 games.

  103. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Sergio, next.

  104. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Classic pitchers’ duel tonight.

  105. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The peanuts are cold. I want Nachos with Nex Mexico Red Chile for the this one.

  106. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Three games up. One more to go.

  107. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    WOOOHHOOOO

  108. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Didnt the pundits have this series the other way around?

  109. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    With respect to the Coven view of things.
    Alex seems to need a target to hit.
    Clear, unobstructed, moving away from a Defender.
    If he perceives a window to be too tight, he’ll pull it down.
     
    We show little or no ability to exploit a Defense with a precision passing attack.
     
    Call it play calling if you want to.
    Our Offense depends on the ground game certainly but, you still need to throw your way around it when it’s taken away.
    Difference between Alex and Andrew at Stanford?
    Mental makeup of the QB.
    Andrew can stick a tight throw.
    Andrew can make touch throws and put a ball out front to let his target complete the play.
    Alex has issues with the touch throws and dropping a ball in ‘the bucket’.
    That is where Alex has yet to make the difference.
     
    MNF may not require much from Alex as I’m sure the ground game is the way to beat AZ.
    Play action a couple times?
    See what we can exploit?

  110. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The G string reaches 6!

  111. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Grump, there slim to no chance Timmy remains in the pen. Middle relievers don’t get $20 million contracts. They get $4 mill.
    .
    Timmy gets his props for going with the program to the benefit of the team. BUt when he rolls into spring training next year, he’s got a spot on the rotation. There’s no real reason (aside from not pitching to Posey when he starts) that should make a diff between long relief and starting. If he can’t pitch out of his full windup, though, he;ll be hard=pressed to last the year.

  112. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Rufus, I’m in touch with lots of vets. The SF Association among others and a few blogs is about all I can handle. But I appreciate your offer all the same. Knew a guy or two out there in the Albuquerque SFA chapter. But got so I knew too many in the obits so quit paying the dues to stop the mag.

  113. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    12th man, it was included in the coverage on Fox pretty early on. Here’s a FoxNews story from 10/2 but I’m sure it was in the discussion before that.

    http://fxn.ws/SmqvOT

  114. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    For those of us who love and admire the Cowpatties, PFT.com has a predictable read about their beloved owner.
    With an article titled like this, the comments section is sure to be entertaining –
     
    ‘Jerry Jones the owner supports Jerry Jones the general manager’.
     
    What an egomaniacal douche.
     

    http://tinyurl.com/9q5ryer

  115. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Not to mention, WR Jason Hill was replaced by a former Aussie Rugby player on the NYJ Roster.

  116. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Could Hill be on a plane to Detroit?

  117. 12th manNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks for the link NF, I hadn’t seen any domestic service pick it up, maybe there is a glimmer of hope for them after all.

  118. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Romo seems to be the Giants best player. With 13 minutes to go in 2nd Q he has 3 picks, including a pick 6. 23-0 Giants. Now if we can get a Giants lead like that tonight in Detroit!

  119. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Romo just went 3 and out instead of throwing a pick. He is getting better already!

  120. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Romo: Dennis’ team.
    JPP: My team.
    Romo is the Roadrunners best hope this week. They’re shutting themselves otherwise.

  121. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I gotta shut it. I unjinxed the Cowpatties. And here, a few plays ago Aikman was wondering if Kyle Orton would come in.

  122. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Not only is Romo sucking it big time today, but Rivers also opened wide in Cleveland today.
     
    Ya think the Giants make the right choice by getting Eli > Phillip? Could be.

  123. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I think Rivers has had his day in the NFL, he has been nothing short of terrible. I hope Dallas takes this game right up the shorts. F Dallas.

  124. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Keeping Charles out of the game really paid off for the Chiefs. Stupid bastids.
     

  125. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    1-0

  126. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I thought Marcus Lattimore was done after this hit. Spurrier says his kneecap was dislocated, but the doctor popped it back in, and he might not have any structural damage after all. If so he is the luckiest kid in the world tonight.
     
    WARNING: This video is pretty gruesome of you’re squeamish.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3e1ZKtD25Ho

  127. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    If his ACL is intact after that I want to know what it’s made of.

  128. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    No kidding. Kevlar? Just start calling him the bionic man or something. Just seeing the angle his leg was at made me a little sick.

  129. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I have to post something to break the Tigers luck tonight.
    There, I’ve done it.

  130. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    DeAngelo Hall: LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
     
    The bitch ass spunk that all bitch ass punks are measured by. The gold standard of bitch ass punks, you might say.
     
    http://nfl.cpl.delvenetworks.com/player/carousel/yahoo.html?channelId=de89a8aeb3e422bac4eb48567f10ebd0&channelListId&mediaId=4b7fc13bcd074405b5bed9e3b0be796a

  131. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Matt didn’t give up a run until the freezing rain started. That fly ball got caught in the wind and didn’t stop carrying.
    Baseball in freezing temps just isn’t right to this purist.
    Game’s not over. 2-1. Matt’s still pitching well, and Timmy’s coming in soon.

  132. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I’m not worried. We only have to win one now. They have to win four. Not going to happen…

  133. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey Grumpy, is that the opposite of a punk ass bitch or worse than that?
     
    Hall gives them both a bad name. Rest of the season ban on GP wouldn’t hurt my feelings a bit.I hope the fine is big enough.
     
    Maybe it was those throw backs that pissed him off. I know they did me.

  134. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Well we’ve been spotted losses to StL and Seattle today.
    Up to us to capitalize.
    How does Dallas even get into a conversation as a Playoff team?
    Pathetic.
     
    I will give Romo credit for letting it fly, Lord knows they have no other choice.
    Jerruh thinks he has all the answers?
    Maybe an OLine and a RB would help?
    Dez is dipsh!t as well.
     
    Game should’ve been over at the half if the NYG didn’t settle for FGs early on.

  135. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Speaking of throwbacks NoFear49er, did you see the Prison Uni’s Pittsburgh was wearing?
    Geez….
    DeAngelo is a perfect candidate for Dallas.
    Everyone can blow smoke up his skirt and tell him what an outstanding player he is.
    NOT.

  136. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Buster Posey GONEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  137. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Oh no tied again. It’s gonna be a long game. Where are the California pistachios?

  138. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Time to warm up Timmy. One more batter for Matt. It’s rotten weather to try to pitch.

  139. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NJ49er, yeah, those are the uniforms that I was talking about. Maybe they drove Hall over the edge.
     
    I give Romo credit for even giving it a go behind that bunch “blocking” and no running threat and after that first half he had. I didn’t think he was ready when he took over for Bledsoe but he’s not done too bad.
     
    Jerry Jones is another matter. His team is his ultimate big boys toy. Good for him, bad for everyone else.

  140. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    The piece PFT put up yesterday about Jerruh says it all NoFear49er.
    He is clueless.
    Best move he ever made on our behalf was driving Jimmy out the door.
    They haven’t accomplished squat since.

  141. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Affeldt’s curve is just wicked.

  142. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- at this point in this season, The division leaders are as follows:
    Patriots, Ravens, Texans, Broncos, Giants, Falcons, Bears, Niners.
    OK, Pat needs a Mulligan on the Saints. And there was that Replacement Ref Miracle in Seattle that put the Bears in 1st.
    Otherwise, how have I done so far? I’m a rotten bettor. NoFear is still waiting for his commission.

  143. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Kidding on that last remark, of course. Perhaps in bad humor. NoFear and I have known each other and disagreed about politics for a long time. Never about his service.

  144. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    All good from where I’m sitting RT.
    Falcons and Bears have plenty of holes but, they too are winning.
    Half way through the Season, I fully expect Alex to come around and get this passing attack in order.
    We have plenty of weapons.
    Just have to get them all loaded and ready for the stretch run.

  145. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    It’s up to NoFear, I guess, NJ. There are guys I mock on these blogs. They give me the same back and more. Many, if not most of them I consider friends.
    NoFear I consider a friend and I don’t mock him.

  146. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    4-3 in the 10th

  147. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve also come to the conclusion that Philip Rivers should hang them up.
    Painful to watch him trying to throw an out these days.

  148. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Now finish them.

  149. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I consider this a friendly forum as well RT.
    Some folks enjoy feeding the mocking-birds I suppose.
    Whatever makes you happy…..

  150. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Rivers has fallen harder and faster than any QB I can think of in recent years. He is barely ahead of Sanchez in ESPN’s total QBR. Only Weeden is clearly worse – and Weeden at least has some upside.

  151. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    1 to go

  152. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I know Grump, what’s going on with him?
    He seems to have lost any and all strength in his throwing arm?
    He’s always had that awkward motion.
    Maybe it’s finally killed the shoulder?

  153. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Break out the brooms! Just in time for Halloween!

  154. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    San Francisco Giants 2012 World Champions.
    I think I want pizza.

  155. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, I don’t know. He just doesn’t look at all like the same guy. I blame the curse of Norv Turner; great OC, touch of death Head Coach.

  156. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Or, now that he’s got all those kids to support…the bedroom is off limits?
    Maybe he’s wearing out his wrist and forearm with extra curricular activities?

  157. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    Hey NJ, batten down the hatches. Gonna be a rough 48 hours in your ‘hood. Stay dry and stay safe.

  158. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Your Norv theory deserves some consideration too.

  159. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Thanks Grump, we’re as prepared as we’re gonna be.
    Mother Nature will have her way.
    She always does.
    Got the house prepped for the onslaught tomorrow.
    I’m inland about 30 minutes or so, hoping for the best.

  160. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Cough, cough. Anybody get a chance to take a look at Peyton in between innings?
    Like I care. I went to 500 games at Candlestick and Pac Bell and nothing.
    Call me tomorrow, honey. The phone’s off the hook tonight.
    Pepperoni, Mushroom and Olives sounds good. With extra cheese. And peppers, lots of peppers.

  161. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Congrats to your SF Giants Gents!
    Nothing better than dancing on the competitions’ Field.
    Nicely done.
    Let’s get some of that Mojo for our 9ers now!

  162. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s the Trophy

  163. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Fatty the 2012 World Series MVP

  164. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Rivers’ receivers used to get open, they no longer do that. I have never been a Rivers fan. Evereybody loved him when he had Vincent Jackson and a TE Gates who used to be in shape. Now Josh Freeman is getting the Vincent Jackson fantasy points.

  165. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Is Panda too fat or too phat!

  166. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve been laughed at often by saying I’d rather have Alex Smith over Phillip Rivers. Please keep laughing you laughers, I stand by my opinion.

  167. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What a Giant night!

  168. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    RT- I called you to celebrate the Giants win. I must have called too late. Sorry’bout that. I’ll be going to bed now. I’ll talk to you some time soon.

  169. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What a great night! Giants, GIants, GIAnts, GIANts, GIANTs, GIANTS!!!!!!!!! Go GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  170. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Good night all you wonderful Giants fans!

  171. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    What a Giant day this is!

  172. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Don’t worry about the mocking Rufus.
     
    Most vets know Kipling’s Tommy and expect no less. Why, with all they’ve been given, can’t the damned bastids just reminisce about the meaningless crap of the old days and have the decency to keep quiet about the rest.

  173. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    My brother’s late father-in-law ran FEMA under Reagan, NoFear.
    I don’t mock vets, ever. Besides, he was a Major General at the time and retired as a Lt. General. And when I met him at my brother’s wedding and reception, he still could’ve killed me with his bare hands and he had 40 years on me.

  174. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Reno, I went straight to bed after the Giants won. Stuff to do this week, but one more SF sporting event to go first.
    Three and a half years ago, I moved to NM. Two Giants World Series Championships since then.
    I’ll talk at you soon – just wish I still had a couple of my Croix de Candlesticks after they invented them. I earned a whole bunch more before then.

  175. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_W._Becton,_Jr.
    I buried him too soon. I haven’t seen The General in a long time. You make assumptions and… bad things happen.

  176. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    RTF, that sounds a lot like my father in law. Dude was a golden gloves boxer and was as tough as they come.

  177. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I guess he was a Lt. General when I met him, Chuck. I think. I’d never met brass before.
    His daughter is a pediatrics nurse and my brother trained her to be a Black Belt. Her daughter from a previous marriage is an Academy Air Force officer (I never met) who is probably a major now. I wouldn’t take her on, either.
    Just one of those weird facts of life, like my lawyer’s brother in ABQ being a former “son” of John Brodie, under his roof and being the guy that tried to stop one of his nymphettes from… that guy in prison in Nevada. Pictures and great stories about living with John and his daughters, and the true charity they showed him.
    After awhile, you just roll with the weird scheist that happens in life.

  178. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    WTF is Rob to tell me it’s GAME DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  179. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve got my Niners muffler out tonight, Dennis. I’ve got the air conditioning on here in NM tonight so I need it.
    The Niners baseball cap only comes on in the 4th now if they’re behind.
    My Dad’s Niners jackets come out of the closet next month.
    You’re just rubbing it in because you whipped the Roadrunners this week. After three straight great showings, they forgot to play ball against you.

  180. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, when I was just out of high school, and summers during college, I worked for this guy (who at the time I had no idea about) name Admiral Quilter. The guy at the time was around 77 years old and would hike us through the woods and trails all over Woodside while we cleared culverts, dug ditches, cleared brush, and otherwise maintained the horse trails all over Woodside and Redwood City. Couldn’t believe how this nearly 80 year old guy could hike 8-10 miles a day with no problem. Hell of a guy.
    .
    http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/2000/2000_06_14.pvquilt2.html
    .
    I’m still hoping Brodie gets into the Hall of Fame. If not for the GDMF Cowboys, he’d be in . . .

  181. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Even funnier, RTF, my first job in high school was working at the car wash in San Mateo right across the train tracks on 3rd Ave. One day in 1978, in pulls a brand new burgundy Lincoln Continental. Out Steps OJ with a blonde girl who may or may not have been Nicole. I know he was still married to his 1st wife at the time. And his 1st wife wasn’t white. Got a 5 buck tipfrom the man . . .

  182. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Joseph’s buddy and he had just moved to CA and J’s buddy got killed in a car crash while dating John’s daughter. John took Joseph in. The NBC trucks would roll up to the door with cartons of clothes when John was doing his NBC golfing work.
    The stroke sidelined him.
    The Cowpukes didn’t, and nor has the HOF selection committee.

  183. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Jaws just did a 30 second film highlight on the D.
    That was fun. Let the game begin!

  184. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    All I’m saying is if Brodie got into a Super Bowl, he’d be in the HOF. Met him is 1973 (his last year) at Harry’s Hof Brau in RC. They used to practice at Sequoia HS if you can believe it.

  185. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Very nice guy, Brodie. Took way more shit than he deserved. It was great to see him win inon the senior golf tour back in the day.

  186. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    John Brodie should be in the HOF, Chuck. Two straight NFC Championship Games against Tex Schramm’s great (and smelly)Cowpatties.
    No argument from me on John Brodie.

  187. robNo Gravatar says:

    GAMETIME BABAAAAY !!!

  188. Grumpy GuyNo Gravatar says:

    I think Brodie gets in the HoF in 5 to 10 years, through the veterans’ committee.
     
    He had some damned good years, a few of them were on teams that had very little defense, though.

  189. robNo Gravatar says:

    gotta worry about larry fitz ! we need our pass rush to come up big tonight !

    i hope to see some colin k. 2 nite !

  190. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    First play with 2 wideouts on one side and they run a naked screen to Frank. I LOVE his offense. Boone ruined it with the facemask.

  191. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The spread doesn’t work with Alex. Stick to the SCO. You were doing fine. The screen was to Hunter.

  192. Del Mar DennisNo Gravatar says:

    Chuck, great O.J. story. I haven’t heard that one before. $5 back in ’78 was pretty damn good. Beats a poke in the eye. And as we all know, O.J. was wont to do later in life.

  193. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Spillman – high school football mistake.

  194. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    By whatever name, nothing to it, Rufus.
     
    Your LTG’s got a double award CIB and jump wings. He might have a story or two to go with his commission.

  195. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    I dunno, NoFear. I only met him at the wedding and reception.
    He wasn’t wearing brass that day, and I didn’t even know he was FEMA Chief.
    But I sure respected him on meeting just for how he stood that day.

  196. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    The General is family since that day, too.

  197. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    The link you posted has a photo of him in Class A’s. The Combat Infantry Badge is on top. The star in the wreath indicates second award. That’s two wars in combat. The novice jump wings are below.

  198. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    He wasn’t wearing a uniform the day I met him. He was a Father. I did wonder at the time, though, why the reception was so crowded. Secret Service.

  199. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Nice win. Excellent offensive performance against one of the leagues top defenses. Our defense rolled as expected.

  200. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    Alex was near perfect in his imitation of Bob Griese tonight.
    Now, if we could just schedule the Cards every week, especially in the playoffs.

  201. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    RT- One Walker drop from being perfect. In typical Alex fashion he blamed himself for Walker’s drop.

  202. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I hope NJ49er is OK.

  203. RTFireflyNo Gravatar says:

    NoFear, “Judgement at Nuremberg” on atm on TCM.
    You ever see a tattoo from Auschwitz? My friend from high school and Cal’s Dad accidentally showed his wrist one day.
    Excuse me why I go throw up for a week or two.
    I’ll be back.

  204. robNo Gravatar says:

    RTF

    i saw one ! the lady we bought our eggs from when i was growing up had one . she had some awesome brown eggs and was nice as heck ! god bless her she survived that shit !

  205. robNo Gravatar says:

    niners 6-2 babay ! 7-2 here we come

  206. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2017 Schedule
Sept. 10: vs Carolina: L 3-23
Sept. 17: at Seattle: 9-12
Sept. 21: vs. L.A. Rams: L 39-41
Oct. 1: at Arizona: L 15-18
Oct. 8: at Indianapolis: L 23-26
Oct. 15: at Washington: L 24-26
Oct. 22: vs. Dallas: L 10-40
Oct. 29: at Philadelphia: L 10-33
Nov. 5: vs. Arizona: L 10-20
Nov. 12: vs. N.Y. Giants: W 31-21
Week 11 — Bye
Nov. 26: vs. Seattle, 1:05 p.m.
Dec. 3: at Chicago, 10 a.m.
Dec. 10: at Houston, 10 a.m.
Dec. 17: vs. Tennessee, 1:25 p.m.
Dec. 24: vs. Jacksonville, 1:05 p.m.
Dec. 31: at L.A. Rams, 1:25 p.m.
 
2017 Draft Class
1. DE Solomon Thomas
1. ILB Reuben Foster
3. CB Ahkello Witherspoon
3. QB C.J. Beathard
4. RB Joe Williams
5. TE George Kittle
5. WR Trent Taylor
6. DT D.J. Jones
6. LB Pita Taumoepenu
7. CB Adrian Colbert
 
2017 Prognostications
Bullit: 5-11
Chuck: 9-7
Grumpy: 4-12
Mr Fletch: 5-11
NJ49er: 6-10
Rob: 9-7
RTFirefly: 5-11
Skeebers: 6-10
Winder: 4-12

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