49ers 16, Giants 10

It was fun watching other teams lose Sunday. The Seahawks got beat by the Chiefs, the Eagles creamed by the Packers, and the Rams wiped out Denver.

It was not much fun watching the 49ers win. In fact, somewhere late in the third quarter, I finally and reluctantly admitted to myself what has been obvious all year: our offense sucks and it’s not going to get any better. So unless the defense turns into the 2000 Ravens, there’s just no chance this team can win a Super Bowl this year.

Against the Giants, one of the worse defenses in the league, the 49ers managed ONE measly touchdown. They made four trips to the Giants’ Red Zone, or near it, in the first half and scored 9 points and a fumble. In the second half, outside of the OMG 48 yard TD to Michael Crabtree, they again shut down completely and ineptly. Ten games into the season, and they have not yet scored a TD in the fourth quarter at all.

For the day, the defense picked off five Eli Manning passes, but turned that into only 3 points, and stopped the Giants on 3 4th down efforts. And with all of that, we win by six effing little points. Sheesh. Booooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

After the game, Frank Gore praised the 49ers’ defense, then added, “As an offense, once we start playing better in the 2nd half, we can go a long way.”

No offense to the great man, but this is the second half, Frank, and your offense is no better than the awful it’s been all year. Maybe Frank meant the second half of games. Why the team would suddenly figure out this dilemma after ten straight failures seems more than a little optimistic.

Leave it to the old pro Justin Smith to come up with a far more accurate assessment regarding the team. “[Chris Borland] is playing out his mind.” Borland only had 13 tackles in this game, down from his usual 17+, but he did have two interceptions.

The blogosphere seems evenly split between whether the team needs a new offensive coordinator or a new quarterback, but it’s a moot point. Neither is going to happen this year. How the team has managed to win six games so far is a bona fide mystery.

They’re gonna manage to win the next game, too. That will set up a Thanksgiving game against the Seahawks that will officially expose which of these two pretenders will be sitting out the playoffs this year. Maybe they both will, but one of them gets eliminated that Thursday.

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  1. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Kap scored more points than Payton vs the Rams. Payton just needs to develop as a QB.

  2. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    It’s too late for Peyton to learn how to scramble.

  3. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Brady had a TD on the same route Kap threw wide and low to Crabtree vs the Rams. He missed the throw completely, now he just threw an int. He needs to develop more as a QB. I’m just using the same philosophy for these guys I keep hearing here for Kap. What’s fair for one is fair for all.

  4. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    The O was working better than my internet. Seriously with the talent we have it’s got to be (lack of good O) coaching. A few bad passes but many bad calls. Deep vertical routes with our OL pass blocking? Greedy Greg at “work”.

    National media keeps trying to get Harbs out of here w/ odd stories = “Harbs to Oakland”. OAKLAND! They must be very afraid of him in SF. East Coast media types have no love for SF since before Walsh, poor dears.

  5. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Todays play calling had no rhythm, as usual. We get 6 to 8 yards rushing on first down and then throw. Frank had 5 yards per carry. IMO, we could have controlled the game by running the ball more consistently.

  6. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Well, there is the fact that both these QBs tend to routinely put up forty points or so.

  7. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Phil- Harbaugh could probably have a lot of control in Oakland. Might be tempting for him. I don’t have a good feel for the situation but I think he’ll be here next year.

  8. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    What do you think Skeebs? Execution? Coaching (OC)? 50/50?

  9. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I will absolutely guarantee they would not be putting up forty points with RoBaugh calling plays.

  10. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I do too. As Montana asked = “Why would he leave?” For control?

    Maybe but ‘everyone’ inside the building denies it is a serious problem. Harbs pissed at Baalke after the great 2014 draft, 20013, 2011?

    I don’t see it but I see a lot of Florios and Rappaports flapping their jaws from back East. Another Niner powerhouse is not in their best interest. My guess

  11. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “I will absolutely guarantee they would not be putting up forty points with RoBaugh calling plays.”

    LOL! 20…maybe

  12. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Phil, I think if Alex Smith were the QB here with these weapons and choices, we’d be shredding teams.

  13. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Huh? You think Kaepernick’s the problem with this offense? You weren’t paying attention through Alex’s first 6 years, Skeebs.

    2nd and 5 so naturally the next 2 pays are slow-developing pass plays for 0 yards. Kappy rolled right about 5 times, and the best play was a 4 yard run on 3rnd and 12. Yeah, keep going to that.

  14. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs, the only thing consistent about this offense is the inconsistency.

  15. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Skeebers- You and Bullit. If Alex were here we would probably be more efficient but less dynamic. End the end about the same result. IMO, once our coaching staff learns how to call plays for this offense we’ll be more efficient. Problem as I see it is I do not think Roman is an instinctive play caller. I hope I’m wrong but until proven otherwise it is what it is.

  16. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    2nd last in the red zone. Again and again, slow developing plays that barely stand a chance of working. No outlets. Run or die for Kappy.

  17. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Alex is more experienced and has more touch on his throws but couldn’t make some of the ridiculous plays Kap does. Yes maybe a wash. Maybe Greedy Greg Roman would call for shorter passes since Alex wouldn’t throw deep much. Those would be higher percentage too.

    Agree we are more dynamic w/ Kap but the OC seems stuck on some things like deep vertical routes because Kap ‘should’ be able to make some more of those.

    Well the debate goes on and whatever play calling ‘would be’ with Alex we have someone else who is maybe too dynamic for GRo.

    Skeebs we may wind up being the 2012 Ravens which would be fine with the trophy and a slew of butt ugly wins. The injury bug is what worries me. How long can the D hold out? Fangio now bringing in Caradine and Lemonier and 5th string DBs.

  18. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    “if Alex Smith were the QB here with these weapons and choices, we’d be shredding teams.”

    I must be eight-years-old again and back in Little League. Someone just laid it up on the tee and is waiting for me to hit one outta the park. Shredding teams? Holy checkdowns Batman. Unbelievable.

    It’s lucky for you Skeebers that I play in the Big Leagues. I don’t hit cheap homers. Let alone swing at ’em. Shredding? Move over Oliver North. We got a new King Shredder in town.

    My goodness gracious.

  19. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    What sucks with this Offense is, it belongs in College.
    It’s predictable and too slow to develop.
    The only thing that looked fluid today was the roll right short passes on the crossers.
    Very WCO-like, which I think we need more of.
    Timing, rhythm, balance.

    Whatever is going on with Ahmad can’t be good either.
    Something stinks within this Locker Room and, to me, it seems to be bothering Crabtree, Brooks and Vernon.

    Vets and Harbaugh?

    I don’t know but, one thing continues to be bothersome.
    Red Zone struggles and conservative, blah Offense.

    Stats between NYG and SF were about dead even in all areas.
    Take away the INTs and we likely lose this one.

    We need a short controlled passing attack to compliment the deep shots and running game IMO.

    Is it fair to say I’m not enjoying our production even when we win?

    Painful is probably as honest as I can be with this sort of victory, especially against a NYG Defense that can’t get out of it’s own way.

  20. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    Just put the future president of the United States and the Discount Double Check guy in the Super Bowl and get this shit over with now.

  21. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Del you’ll be pleased to know my Daughter got her BF to wear a 9er hoodie to the game today 😀

    Dad brought ’em up right my friend.

  22. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis)No Gravatar says:

    That’s great. The more converts the better.

  23. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Kicker is, I have 2 girls.
    One dating a NYG fan, the other a NYJ fan.

    The NYJ fan made the sacrifice today.
    The NYG likely won’t waver.

  24. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    I’m resigned to it being too late this year to make many more changes on O. Swing passes on Kap’s roll outs, short crossing patterns, more short passes to RBs, less vertical deep stuff, misdirection runs and passes. Put it on the D where ‘it’ is already and build on our run game.

    Said that And I’ll take 10 more ugly wins to our 6th SB victory. At this point I don’t think we’re going to see many pretty wins. Yes the OC is what he is and this is it.

    It could be worse if we didn’t have Borland, Lynch, Reid, Bethea, Wilhoite, Aldon, Justin, Dial- you get the picture and we are fortunate with our depth on D + Fangio orchestrating it.

    One season at a time! And our next season is DC Redskins leading to a little ugly revenge tilt on Turkey Day.

    Embrace yer uglies! It’s who we are!

  25. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    How was your bash NJ? Thought about you when Beckham started heating up- until he got the Niner ugly D treatment. Love our DL esp. with Aldon back.

    Whatever is going on with Brooks it’s not affecting our play or team cohesion on game day. I suspect Brooks has some personal gripe and he’s throwing a tantrum knowing he’s losing playing time = unlikely to get a new deal here.

  26. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Anybody heard anything about Glenn Dorsey coming back?

  27. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Just that he’s close.

    4 2nd half TDs. The ONLY 4th quarter TD came in garbage time vs Denver. By comparison, the 0-10 Raiders, the lowest scoring team in the league, have 8 4th quarter TDs.

  28. unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, ODBeckham was on my wish list as well. He’s gonna be a pain for a long time.

  29. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil my buddies and I were all crapping ourselves over the miserable Offenses on the field today.
    Eli throwing to us, our guys showing the mastery of FG alignments, you know the rest.

    Miserable game.
    Harbaugh and Roman should be instructing paint by number Offense Contests.


  30. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Best part of my afternoon came when my Daughter sent me a text from the stadium, telling me she was getting heckled after the ODB reception inside the 5.

    4 plays later I told her to point at the scoreboard.
    She replied saying the guy had left.

    That kind of game.

    And as is customary for us, we can’t move the sticks and close a game.

  31. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I figured us Drafting ODB was a longshot this Spring.
    We did get my runner-up, Bruce Ellington however.

    And what has Harbaugh and Co done with him?
    Next to nothing except replace LMJ with him.

    I still contend that it’s more of an issue for Harbaugh and Staff, to get WR production from the personnel, than it is an issue with Baalke providing the talent.

    We flat out can’t devise a pass friendly Offense.
    It’s not in Jim’s DNA.

  32. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    My guess is, had we Drafted ODB, he’d be doing about as much as QPatton and Bruce Ellington are doing for us thus far.

    With 4 bonafide Veteran weapons like Bling, Stevie, Crabtree and Boldin we still can’t make Defenses pay or score enough TDs.

    Our Offense reminds me of the days of Rowan & Martin’s Laugh In skit, with Arte Johnson in the yellow raincoat, falling off the tricycle.

    There’s a reason Crabtree bitched about being a 3rd down receiver.
    We can’t keep pounding Defenses with a legit passing plan.
    It’s always predictable and easily Defensed.

  33. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    To that end, how can we expect Kaep to learn much, when his Coaching has nothing to offer?

    GB is piling on points at will.
    We’re challenged to get to 30 points or move the sticks to burn clock when we have to.

    Mr Conservative doesn’t like putting teams away apparently or, he simply can’t do it.

  34. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yes what you two said = the O is UGLY. I agree with all of the above from you guys but “accept what’s not going to change” because grumbling is useless. We rely on our D which is lights out and will go as far as they take us. Plus some running attack. I think we can make playoffs but that’s a long ways from here.

    Hope the HFA is in effect as 4 of our final 6 are at Levis (Wash, Sea, SD, AZ) with a side dish of nearby Raiders and one in Seattle. Be a good time to cash in on the +3 point advantage at Levis. We’ll need it and continued stellar play on D

  35. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil I can’t excuse the ineptitude much longer.

    I can’t help but think this whole charade comes crashing down the moment we’re eliminated from the Big Show.

    Be it in the Playoffs or not, it’s becoming harder and harder to watch.
    Body language from Harbaugh, Vernon, Crabtree and now the rift with Brooks?

    What can we enjoy from this Offense?
    It’s pathetic.

    5 Picks. 16 points?

  36. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    There are NO signs of improvement that I can see.

    Kaep needs to be shown some sort of timing in the passing attack.
    He holds the ball too long on most attempts and is forced to improvise.

    I think the WRs have every reason to grumble.
    This passing game Harbaugh promised to improve is sputtering at best.

    We don’t put people away, because we’re not capable of developing a scheme that exploits weaknesses.

    Pretty obvious the Defense PLAYS for Tomsula and Fangio.
    Whatever is going on with Brooks will find it’s way to the media too.
    Just another ripple on the surface that likely contributes to the tsunami that will arrive when the season concludes.

  37. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    We now have a 3-7 Skins team coming to visit.
    If they’re smart they’ll start Colt McCoy.

    Somehow I doubt they will so, this game should be a prelude to finding something useful for the Seahawks on Turkey Day.
    Aldon and Lynch should be feasting early on Sunday if RGIII gets the nod.

    Thought for sure Kaep would’ve been throwing more consistently against a NYG Secondary that was 3 notches below awful too.

    Leave it to Mr Conservative to ignore the obvious weaknesses and, continue with business as usual.

  38. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Fangio finds ways to neutralize his opponents on Defense.
    Will we ever see the same sort of planning and execution from the Offense?

  39. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yes NJ I understand the frustration with the progress- or lack- of the offensive passing attack. I hoped for a lot more too.

    With the OC we have and the somewhat raw QB to whom this pocket passing scheme(s) is new, it’s far from a finished product. We see this every game. That’s two key people who are getting on the job training. Harbaugh hasn’t been an OC at this level so maybe three key people are not experienced enough for this level.

    And we saw it with Alex prior to the Harbaugh regime. As I recall we had struggles for years even before Alex came here as a savior in the post Garcia-Mariucci wreck of a franchise. But it was only after Robaugh got here that he started having consistent success. With Kaepernick I would say they are still trying to figure out how to use him, quite a different QB than Alex.

    With more WRs of quality we should have the tools to do more, better, but I think it’s beyond the skill set this year with the current reduced coaching staff (consultant Mangini to TE coach, Drevno to USC).

    It’s a long time back to Garcia-Mariucci and the O has devolved into a running attack as a source of strength in that time. Last year we needed receivers, this year we need a new coach or two to bolster the pass game, but it’s too late now.

    I think Harbaugh plays out his contract here next year whatever happens this season. With some new support to rebuild the O and the QB. A lot of the current players will be gone, the malcontents with them. This team has had a tough year starting (?) with Aldon’s addiction issues last year and spreading through the team. Perhaps the strain of losing the way we did the last three years has been tougher on the team than we know.

    Maybe you are right and it all falls apart when this season ends. I don’t think so as we do not need wholesale changes IMO. But there will be a bunch this off season. So be it.

    Thanks for listening : )

  40. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Next weekend the Cards play at the Seahags and Detroit travels to New England. If the Niners take care of the Redskins they will move up in the wild card race.

  41. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    If the Niners don’t take care of business vs the Skins we don’t deserve to be in the play-off chase.

  42. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Brooks seemed to do a Percy Harvin and benched himself yesterday
    because he has heard and believes he’s gone after this year with the return of Aldon and emergence of Lynch.
    Brooks is expendable because of his contract number next year. He is next year’s version of Carlos Rogers and should garner a 4th round pick.
    Naturally Harbaugh is bombarded with questions and is limited to what he can say.
    Brooks needs to remember he’s a pro and is still getting paid at a high level.

  43. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ, Phil- I hear you both. I agree with most of what you both say. Here is where you have to remember wins in the NFL don’t usually come easy. We won on the road. Be happy.

    The Golden State Warriors had the same problem as the 49ers last year. Good defense and very poor spacing on offense. This year they have a new coach who understands spacing. The team was committing turnovers at an alarming rate and was having trouble learning the new offense. They seem to be getting it now against bad teams, I’ll be sold they have it down when I see it against good teams. But I know they are on the right track. And looking great!

    The 49ers are on the right track too. The big difference is the Warriors are being taught the offense by coaches who have the answers. The Warriors HC brought in an offensive maven (Alvin Gentry) to run his offense. Harbaugh is trying to do this alone. He needs a little help and there is nothing wrong with that. IMO, Harbaugh is a smart and a good coach and will figure all of this out. His loyalty to Roman could be his undoing but he is a winner and winners do what it takes to win.

    If the SF Giants can win the World Series while limping into the play-offs and while being the last rated team in the play-offs anything is possible for out 49ers. For now we have to rely on Kap’s big play ability and hope the offense starts to gel better. One good thing about this last game is I don’t have the feeling of despair about our O-line today. Baby steps.

  44. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niners have put themselves in a “do or die” situation when they lost their 4th game. Their margin of error is razor thin and will be determined by their continued winning and how other contenders do.
    Job 1 is to get into playoffs and then the hottest team can go far.
    Unlike some I haven’t given up and still think the best football is yet to come.

  45. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    We will need Brooks going forward. I think the fact that he wants to play instead of sitting is not the worst thing in the world. Some players play for the money and some play for the love of the game. He is showing that he wants to play and not just get paid. He does need to get his head right and that is a lot on the coaches. These kind of things sometimes happen with highly competitive people. Harbaugh needs to have a talk with him and then Brooks needs to buy into the team concept. I hope it all works out, having three top quality OLBs is a good thing!

  46. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    There was a play in particular in the red zone that was just bad design. We ran a read option and Kap was sacked for about a 7 yard loss. The play blew up when Stevie Johnson missed the block on the LB. My contention is relying a WR to block a LB is bad design. The LB is usually going to win a match-up with a WR, that is just the way it is whether the coach accepts that fact or not. What is worse is we motioned Johnson into the play. If we keep Johnson on the other side of the field the LB will most likely play back and not be part of that play until it is at least 5 to 10 yards farther up the field. At that time Kap has a full head of steam to run past or maybe a bigger blocker on the LB. By motioning him across the LB came up to take on the block, beat it and had Kap right there for a loss. Yes, players have to execute but play design has to factor in on helping them execute. Expecting a WR to take out a LB at the point of attack is bad play calling. Drive killed, kick a FG, blame the players.

  47. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    Dorsey will be activated this week.

  48. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    And Ian Williams goes to IR for the second straight year.

  49. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    RG3 and Coach Gruden aren’t seeing eye to eye.
    RG3 is pointing fingers and blsming others on the offense for their shortcomings which is a true sign of a fractured locker room.

  50. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Here is the Niner bar in NYC in the East Village.
    You might visit it next time you are there.

  51. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    We won. Check. That’s an A for the game.

    Team behind HC. Check. That’s an obvious plus, Brooks notwithstanding.

    Injured, suspended players returning. Check. Check. Check.

    Niners in playoff hunt. Check.

    So it’s a great day to be a Niner fan. Check. Check. Check.

    End of story

  52. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Dorsey back? Excellent news as we have a certain beast coming up in a few weeks and will need a stout replacement for Ian W.

    Looks like Brooks will be playing next game. Harbs loves him some vets seems like.

    Could be we are the football equivalent of the 2014 SF Giants.

    We sure are due

  53. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    BTW the thought that Crabtree is mailing it in is at odds with the plain fact he has put us in a position to WIN the last 2 games.

    He like Brooks, VD want playing time on a team with many options. These are good problems to have.

    Anyone expecting easy or pretty wins in the NFL is watching the wrong sport.

  54. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Correction. Crabtree has put the Niners in a position to win the last 3 games.

  55. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Richest contract in MLB history and American pro sports..
    Giancarlo Stanton just signed 13 years for $325 mil
    which is an average salary of $25 mil a year.
    The question is will he live up to his pay?

  56. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Phil- You’re killing me! LOL! That was a good checklist!

  57. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Anybody notice that tonight’s MNF game is the Berger Bowl! Roethlesberger vs Mettenberger!

  58. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I might have misspelled their names but I’m sure I got the Berger part correct!

  59. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah guys it’s good, damn good, to be a Niner fan today. CHECK!


    Bullit refresh my memory on the other contribution Crab made for us. RAM slipping…

  60. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Waiter give me a couple Bergers to go!

  61. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    This man’s father just died last week and he can still be thankful for a Niner win = Jack Hammer:



    -The 49ers offense has held the ball for a league leading 56.85% of possession time in the second half this season. That’s part of the reason they have been able to win games despite averaging a league low 6.3 points per game in the second half.

    -Aaron Lynch had 9 quarterback hurries, the most by any 49ers defender all season.

    -Eric Reid had his best day of the year in pass coverage, giving up a passer rating of 0 and getting his first interception since the opening week of the season.

    -Ray McDonald’s sack of Eli Manning was his first this season. He also had a season high 5 solo tackles.

  62. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil/Berger we all see the obvious shortcomings of this team week to week.
    It’s not that I dislike Harbaugh either.
    He’s good for the locker room for the most part.
    I’m frustrated with the lack of progress being made, like most of you are.

    He’s come into a very solid situation here.
    I hate the fact that he’s rocking the boat with the Mgt that put this team together before he arrived however.

    In a perfect world, he should relish the opportunity to improve, which means he can’t be so stubborn in his stance to seek assistance with the Offense beyond Roman.

    We’ll see where it goes.
    I too have not and, will not give up until the numbers say we’re done.

  63. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit thanks for the East Village 9er Bar info.
    Will try to make a visit next time we get into the City.

    My Man Cave will keep me cozy in the meantime 😀
    Over 30 yrs worth of 9er memories of my own to enjoy everyday.

  64. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Any SF Giants fan already knows about Finnerty’s. The World Series trophy stops there every year we win it all. They send loaded busses to the games when the Giants are in town. They do the same for the 49ers. I have to plan a vacation to NY just to see Finnerty’s! I did see the a couple Northern Cal breweries being featured, Anchor Steam from SF and Sierra Nevada from Chico. Both are great breweries. Both brew barley wine.

  65. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger Finnerty’s is on my list of Things To Do now.
    Looks like my kinda place 😀

  66. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Crabtree caught the ball on the next to last play of the Ram’s game that was arguably a TD but was ruled just short.
    That led to the unfortunate fumble to end the game.

  67. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    After watching that video, I see they sponsored a bus trip to the NYJ game last year which I attended.
    That game was Kaeps debut appearance too.
    Sent all the NYJ fans home early as well.

    Good stuff!

  68. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit I think the frustration factor with Crabtree could easily be with the system we’re running too.
    He was none to happy to see Kaep in the end zone on Sunday vs NYG it seemed.

    Could be a combination of Kaep not utilizing him more as well?

    Like Brooks, these guys want to be involved more I’m sure.
    However, I’ve seen Brooks taking plays off a little too much this season too, which likely explains the reason Coaches are making the changes too.

  69. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just did a quick review on Mapquest – I’m about 40 miles from Finnerty’s.
    Not terrible.

  70. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    NJ- Can you take a train to Finnerty’s?

  71. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Probably Berger.
    I’ll check with my Buddy, he works in the City and is originally from Brooklyn.
    He’ll know the ropes better than I do.

    I normally use the bus or train to get into the City when I do go in.
    East Village is still a hike from Mid Town.

  72. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’ll go to your city. Is there a motel close by? We’ll take the train to NYC, go to Finnerty’s, get shitty and then take the train home!

  73. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I was going to do this trip with Don but he up and died on me. I would’ve been coming from the north with Don. With you we’ll be attacking from the south! Close to the same distance, he was about 50 miles north.

  74. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Plenty to choose from near me.

    I’m about 30 miles south of the Lincoln Tunnel.
    Lot’s of mass transportation to choose from.

    I just don’t know the train routes well from inside the Port Authority.
    Easy enough to find the answers though.

    Finnerty’s is closer to the Holland Tunnel, which is closer to me anyway.
    As with any NYC venue, parking is horrid and way overpriced.
    I’ve got enough City savvy people around to get the right answers though.

  75. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    More than likely it’s a subway trip anyway.
    Half my friends work in Manhattan and are former NY residents that moved to NJ.

  76. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Sounds fun guys. Have one for me willya?

    Bullit- Right how soon we forget. Partly due to hating the Rams.

    Players want to bitch about getting more playing time? That’s another plus. An unsettled clubhouse can be a good thing if it is keeping focus on the game. And there is nnothing wrong with our focus.

    Most of the crap coming out about Harbaugh and Niners is coming from East coast media who obviously fear them greatly. Notice except for a few losers like Kawakami, Killion the local writers are ignoring these “stories”? I love the sound of whining journalists esp. from East coast. That’s music at this point my friends.

  77. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Lol nice avatar…for a negative nihilist

  78. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    True Phil.
    Fine line between competitors and complainers though.

    Hope Brooks is in it for the hardware and continues to play full throttle when he’s got time between the lines.
    If he’s simply playing for the paycheck, that could dissolve soon enough.
    It’s called incentive.
    Every guy should be playing for the prize.

    I’ve questioned his effort several times thus far myself.
    No doubt the Coaches see it loud and clear on game film.

    That’s the beauty of football.
    Competition is the motivator.

    If Coaches challenge the players to go full bore and, reward those that do, it’s pretty easy to find the guys to give more playing time to.

    Hope this lights a fire under Brooks for the stretch run.

  79. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I find Roman, the so-called inept play caller, especially lacking in designing and calling a play that had Kaepernick tripping Gore on the handoff and Miller kicking the ball out as he was falling. Pure ballet of execution.

    I’m equally disgusted by the moronic call of a play that had Crabs wide open at ten yards and Kaepernick throwing the ball five yards wide. Again, the execution of that idiotic play was perfection.

    Kaepernick had a bad day but the fans remind me of the press carrying zero’s water and covering up the biceps-kissing QB’s problems with phony distractions like blaming the play caller.

    After reading about it for a couple of seasons now, I’m still not sure how play calling, good or bad, causes players to play like shit. Or maybe the idea is if the players don’t agree with the call they blow it on purpose just to make a point.

    Sort of like Brooks? Who, by the way, I think was fine with Aldon Smith getting a bunch of his snaps but when Lemonier gets the nod ahead of him, now that’s a message, and I think he heard it loud and clear.

    I think the linebacker dropping Kaepernick for a seven yard loss on the failed zone read play was locked onto the QB once he diagnosed the read option and Johnson’s running the fake across had no effect on him. They defended other zone read options the same way.

  80. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Bottom line the Niners in 2014 will only go as far as Kap will take them.
    Their fate lies with his success. The hard truth is in 7 of the 10 games Kap has only thrown 1 TD pass. Considering Gore/Hyde have only 5 rushing TDs that is the root of this season’s mediocre offense.
    QB is the toughest position to master in football. Will Kap be up to the task for the rest of the season. Niners need multiple passing TD games for the offense to flourish.
    It has been pointed out that Tom Brady is errant on some of his passes and nobody’s perfect. That’s cherry picking excuses
    and with the season in the balance it’s time to stop making and looking for excuses.

  81. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    That’s right NF execution is part of the problem. No doubt about it. Funny this is pretty much limited to the O as far as I can see. Why do you think that is?

  82. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Our run game is not working too well either. I guess that must be from Kap not handing the ball off very well.

  83. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It is obvious that there are some that do not understand the philosophy of how to successfully run a read option but must try to impart their ex sputrness anyway.

  84. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niner running game is ranked 7th in the League.
    Eye of the beholder?

  85. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    I understand the read option and the fulcrum is the QB making good decisions READING THE DEFENSE in the OPTION part. Giving ground in the hope of making more yards leads to bigger losses as with most running plays.

  86. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    RG3 is 4-14 in the last 18 games he’s started.

  87. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    On the read option play the defense was ready for Kap keeping it and had 2 guys waiting including the guy that Stevie Johnson was supposed to chip. If Kap turns it up it might have been a loss of 2 yards but he tried to outflank the LB and gave ground and lost 7 yards.
    it’s on this video

  88. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    A read option is predicated on open space. It should not be run when the defense can cover both options. This must be understood to run a successful read option. Roman runs the read option willy nilly. I can’t say for sure what he thinks but I think he runs it when he the inside gets too tighty and wants to spread out the interior more. He doesn’t run it at opportune times to be a big play, in fact the RoBaugh read option usually gets stuffed with the QB that ran it more successfully than any other QB in college history. The coaches have no excuses, but the fans do. Just blame the QB you don’t like.

  89. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    That is the read part. If the QB reads the outside keeper is covered than he should hand it off to the RB and at worst it would be for no gain.
    If the QB keeps it he thinks he can get more than the RB can and it’s all on him for selecting that option.
    To take the guy handling the ball and holding him blameless is silly apologist behavior.

  90. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I’m glad I got to see that read option play again. There was more traffic waiting form that play than I remember. What a terrible play call.

    It is called an option play because there is supposed to be an option. The DE pinched which means the QB keeps the ball. It was the correct read. Problem was the formation it was run out of allowed multiple defenders to come up and stuff the play. IOW, there were no good reads available. Kap should have given it to Frank and let it gain zero yards. Just a terrible play call.

    Actually, if I was the QB and saw that I would have called time out and asked for a different play. We know how that would play around here.

  91. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- Watch the play, the DE pinched. He was out of the play if Kap does not have to slow down for other defenders. You can argue this all day, and I know you will but you are wrong. If it was set up correctly those other defenders would not have been there. The play was set up incorrectly by the wrong use of a formation wgich allowed the defense to cover all options. Just because you talk long and loud doesn’t make you correct. We should just take the read option out of our playbook because RoBaugh does not know how to set it up for success.

  92. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    “That’s right NF execution is part of the problem. No doubt about it. Funny this is pretty much limited to the O as far as I can see. Why do you think that is?”

    Uh, different set of players? One guy handling the ball on every play having too many bad games? Defensive experts, the real ones not the blogger-types, studying tendencies and knowing how to best make life miserable for them? Do you watch any other games? Do you see blitz-proof teams, even the ones with the best, most experienced QBs? Do you see every other team using the short yardage/goal line formations we do? Do you see how hard some ex-spurts will try to make every failed play a bad play call or due to formations?


    “It is obvious that there are some that do not understand the philosophy of how to successfully run a read option but must try to impart their ex sputrness anyway.”

    And it’s okay. We’ve come to expect it and mostly just laugh.

  93. winderNo Gravatar says:

    I love the positive thinking and attitudes some have here and as someone said earlier “it’s good to be a Niner fan”. It’s always good to be a Niner fan, I couldn’t fathom not being one at anytime. No matter what we do on the field. I was looking for my rose colored glassed and for the life of me I just can’t find em. This year reminds me more of 2007 than 2013. Our record says we are better but it sure doesn’t look like it.

  94. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The tendencies are on the game plan as well as the players. Lack of hot reads aids the opponents defensed immensely in blitzing.

  95. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Winder- I’m not feeling too optimistic this year but after following the SF Giants the last 5 years I know if we keep believing good things are possible. Probably a bit too hopeful but you just never know. If we are in we have a chance.

  96. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Niner Nation and Fooch weigh in on that read option play
    “Read-Option Blocking

    The 49ers haven’t used a ton of read option plays this season, but when they have, their most successful plays have come on plays when Kaepernick has given the ball to the back as opposed to keep it himself. A big reason why Kaepernick hasn’t been able to break off a big chunk of yardage on a designed run has been the blocking of San Francisco’s receivers and tight ends on the edge. Late in the first quarter, we got a play that was indicative of those struggles.

    When utilizing read option plays, the 49ers will often have either a tight end or receiver on an arc block. The arc block is designed to loop around the edge defender being read to block the second level defender scraping towards the quarterback. On this play, it’s Stevie Johnson being asked to pick up this crucial block. As you can see it doesn’t go so well.

    Even though Kaepernick would be able to easily beat Jason Pierre-Paul to the edge, Johnson can’t turn the corner quick enough to seal off Giants linebacker Devon Kennard (59), who proceeds to close up Kaepernick’s rushing lane. If Johnson is able to get that block, only the safety is standing between Kaepernick and the end zone. Instead, it’s a seven-yard loss that was the precursor to yet another red-zone field goal.”

  97. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Yep, that’s exactly what I was saying, except I added that having a WR block a LB on the point of attack is not going to work more often than it would work. Worse yet, he was expected to make an arc block on a LB which is even more difficult than a straight on block because of less leverage being available. IMO, poor play design.

  98. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Interesting fact.
    Kap has not thrown a 4th quarter TD pass for the 12th game in a row including playoff games.

  99. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Interesting fact.
    The RoBaugh offense has not scored a TD, rushing or passing, in the 4th quarter this year except with one minute to go in Denver and down 42-10 and all the scrubs in for the Broncos.

  100. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    The Roman apologist bows to the coach.

  101. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    It’s not just me, Harbaugh gets asked every week if he is happy with Roman. I wonder why?

  102. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    There’s something dramatically wrong with that statistic too Berger.

    Kaep had chances on Sunday in NJ that missed.
    As NoFear49er suggested, missed Crabtree by a mile on a comeback, overthrew Lloyd and Vernon on deep sideline routes.
    That goes on Kaep.

    Curious why we don’t see TE plays like Donnell made on Wilhoite too.
    Haven’t seen a shot taken to Carrier or VMcD in weeks.

    Our passing attack is still far from fluid.

  103. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Actually 2 deep balls to TEs IIRC.
    Kap took a shot with a post pattern to the 270 lb slot receiver
    but he threw into double coverage and it was an overthrow.
    Vernon had one and one coverage down the left sideline but Kap’s throw was wide, out of bounds and uncatchable.

  104. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Sorry just read you already mentioned the VD sideline pass. My bad.

  105. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    No worries Bullit – there were more than a few plays on Sunday that had me throwing fits.
    I still contend that Kaep throws too many missiles at times, meaning he needs to put some air under some of those throws, to allow his targets to run under them.

    Like the low throw to Crabtree, vs the Rams at the goal line, he shows some struggles with throws that require more touch at times.

    No doubt it will come with more reps but, we just don’t seem to find rhythm to allow those play calls too often.

  106. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    We won right? Oh okay just checking. Check! Great day to be a fan of the Niners. Great great day, love it. Happy birthday to me, again.

    Now to these secondary issues:

    -Is it the OC or the QB?

    -Is it the execution or the play calling/play design?

    -Is it the coaching or the players?

    -Is it Alex or Kap?

    ITS BOTH IN EVERY CASE! Both. Both. Both. Check. Check. Check. Both.

    Lol, both already! I’m not big on “Is it the chicken or the egg that came first?” (It was the chicken of course). And in the cases above good answers can be given for both sides.

    Both, but it is educational and entertaining to eavesdrop.

  107. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Kaep has very few issues with the ‘stick’ throws that require the heat.
    Most often he can drill a guy between the numbers.
    His problems are often associated to the type of throws I mentioned above.

  108. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Yes, I agree with Phil. Players have to execute and coaches do too. It is called a team effort.

    We had a play where Kap rolled to the right. One defender came from the edge, straight to Kap and blew up the play. To get to Kap untouched he had to run right by two pulling O-linemen. It was like the linemen said, “go right on in, we’re busy with our thumbs up out butts”. That was on the players and not the coach. No problem when I mention the players.

    But when I mention a bad play design a couple here get out there golden calf and pray to their Roman god. They pray for a new QB and when they get one they’ll find out the OC still sucks.

  109. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil it’s answer (D) all of the above.
    A little of this, a little of that.

    For me it comes down to a sputtering and often stalling Offense that adds up to us relying on the Defense more often than not.

    You know where I stand on this.
    It might be beneficial for Kaep to get a little more WCO timing routes introduced.
    Quick hitters that can force him to deliver on time with accuracy.

    I’m just a fan after all, so what the heck do I know?
    Just picking around for answers like the rest of you.

  110. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Berger there were 2 plays I recall where Kaep rolled right and hit a crosser coming with him.
    Very WCO by design.
    Can’t recall who caught them, but it was an easy pitch and catch on time in stride.
    Kaep appears more comfortable on the move to me.

    His pocket mechanics don’t often impress me either.
    He’s far from a finished product, I’m not asking for him to be scrapped by any means.

    He’s just not there yet.
    Hard to get a mobile QB to stand still I guess.
    He’s a work in progress.

  111. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Alex can’t make the majority of the throws Kaep can.
    But, Kaep needs to make more of the throws Alex can.
    Was reading recently that KC hasn’t had a WR catch a TD pass yet.
    We’ve got the WRs to do it perhaps, whereas they don’t?

    For me, once Kaep can master the touch throws, the playbook is likely to become more versatile.

  112. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Assuming DC starts RG III on Sunday, I’m thinking Aldon and Aaron will have a very good chance of adding to their sack totals.

    Read a piece suggesting that RG III gets sacked twice as often, on average, than any other QB in the League.

    Numbers also suggest that he rarely completes any passes beyond 10yds down field.

    He’s been sacked at least 5x in 5 of his past 7 games.

    We’d better make it a long afternoon for him on Sunday.

    I’m expecting sacks and INTs.

  113. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Next year win or lose our final game I expect Jimi and company back for his final contract year. There will be some turnover of players as usual. I hope Fangio and most of the other coaches return with a large addition of consultants/coaches to bolster our passing game and to help Kap refine his skills.

    I don’t see a tumultuous off season again (my guess and hope) and the above scenario is what I expect from a franchise that needs stability and continuity above all at this point. “This point” being after an off season of dubious player conduct and rumors about the HC. Also this point is after a remarkable resurrection of a hapless franchise decline of a decade or so. Last thing this team needs is wholesale changes of any kind. The base is built and the foundation is there. We need to build on that not fly off in some other direction.


  114. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Phil it’s all going to depend on Jim I think.
    Hard to ignore all the reports of discord between him and Trent.

    For me, it comes down to the Offense.
    Jim is credited with the Kaep selection, which puts his development, squarely with Jim and Greg.

    Thus far, the results suck.
    Be it Jim, Greg or Kaep, we aren’t scaring anyone on Offense (except me).

    Personally, Kaep isn’t close to what I thought he’d be at this point, especially with the additional weapons at his disposal.
    Can’t put that blame on anyone but the guys trying to run it.

    Yes, I’d prefer to see everyone happy and productive together too.
    Problem is, our Offense hasn’t gotten much better than it was when they couldn’t score in the Red Zone at the SB.
    Same sh!t, same results.

    Plenty of scrutiny on Roman, plenty of execution issues as well.
    Whatever the ratio, Coaches are expected to get it to work.

    So far?
    I ain’t impressed.

  115. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    I wonder if anyone saw the Belichick Patriots hang 200 yards and four TDs on the ground on Manusky’s Colts D in the late game Sunday. It was a great example of abandoning the spread run for the power run and how well that works. So much for the foregone conclusions of the ex-spurts.

  116. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Keeping Jim as a lame duck in his final year doesn’t foster any confidence in the locker room either.

    We’re still a power running team that plays above the bar on Defense.
    Fangio gets plenty of recognition for what he’s done with a depleted talent pool too.
    There’s little to criticize on his side of the ball.
    Baalke put extra talent into the mix also, on both sides of the ball.

    Marcus Martin, Dontae Johnson, Chris Borland and Aaron Lynch have all contributed already as Rookies.

    Vets like Vernon, Crabtree, Boldin have gotten additional help with Bling and Stevie too.
    Offense isn’t stepping up for whatever reason either.

    Something has to change and, I’m not sure Jim will admit he isn’t getting it done.

  117. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Agree NoFear49er.
    Belichick gets it in terms of being creative and devising a game plan to out flank an opponent.
    Happy that we’re getting back to running the ball, which is our bread and butter.

    Having my doubts that Jim can scheme anywhere close to what Belichick manages to do.
    We tend to stay pretty static in our approach week to week.

    Just hoping we can find some improvements between Kaep and the passing game.
    The talent is there.
    The execution and timing hasn’t been realized yet by a long shot.

  118. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    It might be something as simple as adding another coordinator to assist with the passing attack?
    Not sure what the answer is.

    Plenty of speculation shared here, and elsewhere, about whether Roman can be the passing guru, when he’s been so focused on the ground game.

    We knew Kaep was going to need time to evolve as a pocket passer.
    Maybe I’m being too impatient with my expectations but, he’s been way too hot and cold.

    We’re still in this WC race thankfully.

    I just can’t understand WTF is going on in the Red Zone.
    Same and, maybe worse, than it was 2 years ago.

  119. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    I only watched a handful of plays from the Indy-NE game. The plays I saw had the Patriots running the ball out of spread formations, which is exactly what I’ve been asking for us to do.

    We were mostly doing that against the Giants but I don’t think RoBaugh stuck with it enough. IMO, we could have rolled them up with the running game out of the spread. When we did run it worked well about 80-90% of the time. IMO, that is an example of poor play calling.

  120. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Harbaugh is a players coach and often times makes himself look silly by shielding his true feelings about how certain players performed.

    Jay Gruden on the other hand was brutally frank in his assessment and stark criticism of RG3 in his press conference from NFL.com.

    “Jay Gruden was blunt in his assessment of his starting quarterback one day after Griffin struggled mightily in Washington’s 27-7 home loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    “Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three on a couple occasions and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up, and he stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times.

    “So, from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it’s not even close to good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.”

    Gruden mentioned Griffin missing on multiple deep-ball throws to DeSean Jackson, noting it as a big difference in the game.

    “(Josh McCown) hits Mike Evans three times for big, huge plays, and we missed DeSean three times for big, huge plays,” said Gruden. “Flip ’em — if Josh overthrows Mike, and we hit ours, I’m a little happier right now.”

    The sacks that Kap is taking is because he’s holding onto the ball too long looking for the big play. I see less mobile QBs slide or step up in the pocket and make big plays and that is missing from kap’s toolbox at this point.
    It has been mentioned that it’s Roman’s fault that he’s taking
    7 step drops. Are we really sure that it’s not what Gruden said about RG3? What Gruden revealed is that RG3 is freelancing
    and I think some of that is happening here.
    What I have read in the last couple of years is the Seahags are focusing their pass rush to flush Kap into a certain part of the field cutting the field in half and blanketing the receivers in that half. Other teams have adapted this strategy.

  121. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Spread formations? Pats running was with 2 and 3 TE sets and often tight formations. At most I see 2 wrs and that is not a spread. Mayock even mentions they put in an extra OT and went with 6 Olinemen to block. Look for yourself.



  122. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Also what I notice is Brady is under center and run Gray out of the power I.
    I am not the offensive ex-spurt you are nor have I played high school football. I do see what I see and it’s not from the spread unless you consider a WR and a flanker a spread formation.

  123. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- There is more to the picture than the little info Mayock gave you. Those heavy packages still mostly had two WRs very wide. What that does is takes two out of the box and probably two more. The safeties have to account for the WRs unless the wants to allow single coverage. That is a big difference to what we do. This means they probably had only 7 in the box with 7 blockers. I’d take that match-up any day. When we go heavy we usually have one WR and we than face 8-10 in the box. That was nice play design by the Pats.

    The other thing I noticed is very wide splits by the linemen. I’ve talked about this before and NoFear made fun of me. That is always expected by the puerile obfuscator. Our splits are tight. You and I have talked about this on the phone. I like wide splits. Watch the 2nd film and see what I am talking about. Their splits are about 2 feet apart. It spreads the interior box. Watching their plays and design you see good play calling, watch ours and you see something else.

  124. Bigjon510No Gravatar says:

    I see Blaine leading us to the Super Bowl! Have you noticed when we fail on offense it’s always something. A missed assignment,a penalty, an inaccurate pass, a bad route, a playcall out of nowhere that goes against everything that had been successful before, (Boldan pass comes to mind). Do they practice? If they do, I don’t think they do it very well. And don’t get me started on the 8yd stop and turn pass route when we need 10yds. What happened to instride routes? I digress.

  125. winderNo Gravatar says:

    Today is the anniversary of the Gettysburg Address so I thought I would post it. I am sure most of us had ancestors who fought in it. To me it has always been one of the most brutal and fascinating wars.

    by Abraham Lincoln

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
    Back to the Niners
    it’s easy for us to place the blame on certain players and coaches but it seems to me the problem lies with us not being able to adjust and adapt to our competition. And, that goes for all aspects of the game, player execution, and coaching. Something is going on.

  126. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Bingo winder. We rarely adjust wen things atop working. Esp on offense.

    Hence the awful 2nd half scoring.

  127. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Yikes hate typing on my phone.

  128. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    You know who doesn’t adjust? CK7, that’s who. Skeebers made a comment the other day that, as much as it pains me to admit, I have to agree with it. Checkdown Charlie and his dump offs to Frank in the flats and Vernon over the middle would be much preferred to a single impossible-to-make pass every game or two and the incessant holding the ball until his favored receiver comes open or he gets sacked.

    It appeared Kaepernick was getting better at those flaws early on in the season but his advancement has stalled like our second half / red zone offense.

    Put that in the compressed field of the red zone and the more urgent pass rush pressure and you get what we’ve got.

    No Kaepernick’s not the sole problem, so all you hyperbolic professional over-reactors can cool your jets, but he’s one guy that’s currently contributing to it greatly and like his predecessor, is somehow immune to criticism.

  129. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    When a team does good the QB gets too much credit, when a team doesn’t he gets too much criticism. I believe that to be the case here. But I do like that the Kap haters are exposing themselves. It’s Alex Smith all over again.

  130. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Quesation- How are the Golden State Warriors so much better this year than last? It is the same core of players. Aren’t players supposed to execute? Why did they not execute this well last year? Is it possible the coach has taught them how to better read the defenses run against them and taught better spacing? Maybe not? From what I am learning on this blog it isn’t the coach, it is the players that have to execute. So the players just got better and they would still be this good with Mark Jackson as the coach. Got it.

  131. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Andrew Bogut thinks it is the coach. I agree, just don’t try to tell that to many on this blog who think coaches do not affect players performances. Here is what Bogut said:

    “They’re running me in the high post a lot more and utilizing my passing and it’s been great so far. Steve Kerr’s turned around my career and getting me back involved offensively, too, helps.”

  132. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    Barrows has revealed the story behind Brooks’ behavior


  133. phil fanNo Gravatar says:


    Thanks for posting. Ayn Rand and Robert Heinlein each used the phrase “For us the living” as titles for one of their books.

    It’s about liberty of individuals in repressive societies (for Rand and Heinlein:

    “It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced… that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

    No nihilist Lincoln

  134. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Wow you must be desperate to use the Warriors as an example which shows you are running out of excuses.
    Sadly it’s a poor example as the W’s just started their season
    and have played 10 games so it’s too early to make a prognosis on the outcome of this season.
    Would it surprise you that the Warriors are now 8-2 and last season started the year 8-3?

  135. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    Since we are all misty eyed regarding our dear departed QB, to what do we attribute his sudden awesomeness?

  136. Unca_chuckNo Gravatar says:

    The dubs had an annoying habit last year of losing to shitty teams. Not so this year.

  137. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Bergs I do not understand the strong tendency of other people here and some who follow this team elsewhere to see clearly that leadership = coaching has a great part in determining how players function. It is a glaring omission but it is what it is. I’m past worrying how others see it. Maybe they identify with coaches more so it is hard for them to say “Crappy play call/design/game plan” and easier for them to say “I understand the design of said play but dang if those players can carry it out”. Always easier too see the mistakes of others than what we identify with.

    That’s okay we’ll struggle along with what we have and get better/more sophisticated coaches next year. We hope

  138. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    “Since we are all misty eyed regarding our dear departed QB, to what do we attribute his sudden awesomeness?”


    Same thing that took the sad sack Singletary Niners to NFCCG when Jimi took over

  139. phil fanNo Gravatar says:


    “Bergs I do not understand the strong tendency of other people here and some who follow this team elsewhere to NOT see clearly that leadership = coaching…”

    Too much editing previously, lol

  140. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    NJ said:

    “Curious why we don’t see TE plays like Donnell made on Wilhoite too. Haven’t seen a shot taken to Carrier or VMcD in weeks.

    Our passing attack is still far from fluid.”

    Greg’s in love with the home run bomb and 5 deep ones went to VD. All incomplete. But 7 yard passes to Carrier, V Mac not so much. Celek coming back soon won’t make any difference either.


  141. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit- Again you show you are a numbers person only. Anybody watching can plainly see that the eye tests shows the Warriors are better than last year. Bogut seems to think so. You would rather go back to last year’s coach, Mark Jackson, since coaches don’t make a difference?

  142. BergerNo Gravatar says:

    Phil- I should listen to you and just ignore these that believe coaching doesn’t make a difference. It is just too hard to not engage for the fun of talking 49er football!

  143. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Players play for themselves, their teammates and their coaches. We have that with the Niners who love Jimi and Fangio. Gro not so much but I contend since Jimi won’t dump him that they should bring in a couple quality control people or/and consultants to diversify our passing attack and refine Kap’s skills.

    I call this “coaching” and for whatever reason we are weak in the pass game coaching. I think this is obvious and will be addressed by Jimi next year as it ‘should’ have been done last off season.

  144. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Yep Bergs it is good to chat about this stuff from our various points of view. Also good to have a little support from time to time.

    About this year: The Giants, a flawed team, limped into the playoffs and won it all. The Niners did same in ’88 I believe. The future of this season Is Not Determined Yet despite our flaws. I’m cautiously optimistic we are witnessing a Niner miracle as we continue to win each of our ‘playoff games’ in 2014.

    Agree with NJ that Turkey Day will determine a lot for us.

  145. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Here’s a GIF of the missed block by Stevie that Berger and Bullit have talked about:


    Also GIFs of Bethea’s stop of Giants RB on 4th down along Ray Mac and Lynch sealing edge.

    Also Reid defends against TE in EZ for another stop

  146. bullitNo Gravatar says:

    For the chikin littles out there who think the sky is falling and the season is over dial it back to last season and see that at the 10 game mark we were also 6-4.
    The Niners in 2013’s game 10 was that bitter loss against the Aints and their opponent in game 11 were these Washington Redskins.
    The Niners ripped off 8 wins in a row after Game 10 in 2013.

    This season is far from being over and I still say the best football is ahead. Chikin littles should go cluck themselves.

  147. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Bullit we were playing more consistent football at this point last year however.

    I’m with you though, not panicking just yet, simply hoping for them to get things rolling.
    This Offense has been offensive.

    Kaep sucked A$$ last week vs a very depleted NYG Defense.

  148. bullitNo Gravatar says:


    Niners were not playing better football in games 9 & 10 last year.
    The Niners did not gain 200 yards total offense in either game.
    Their win streak and better football started with the Redskins in game 11 and mybe we follow the same path this year with a better ending.

  149. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Overall I think we were more consistent last year Bullit.

    Could be that Kaep ran more frequently last year too?
    Either way, this passing game transition phase is painful.

    Kaep looked better earlier in the season than he does of late.

    I fully expected him to abuse the NYG Defense on Sunday.
    He missed badly on pretty much everything he attempted.

    Let’s hope the ‘Skins will ignite another run for us.

    Getting frustrating to see so many wasted plays and stupid decisions.

  150. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    BTW, not sure if it was clarified in any of the media outlets, regarding Brooks and Tomsula, as to who ultimately benched him?

    I’d have a lot of respect for Tomsula if he was the guy who doled out the punishment.
    Have to assume he’s got authority over the D-Line rotation?

  151. phil fanNo Gravatar says:

    Good perspective Bullit with comments about our record last year at this point 6-4. And the quality of play on O last year too through 10 games. It’s easy to forget and think this rough patch is unique and “We’re doomed”.

    Not unreasonable to think we will get on a roll pretty quick and just in time for some pretty tough teams coming up. I too am done being worried about our flaws and who is to blame. In the entire Harbaugh era the Niners have indeed gotten on rolls to end skids- last year and 2012 are perfect examples. I see us as stronger on O w/ the new WRs and Hyde this year. Yes it is time for them to cease underperforming. Only question is “when”. I think it was the Rams game following the stinker in Denver.

    In 2011 Jimi and company exploded on the scene and brought us to the NFCCG. That’s getting on a roll my friends.After 10 years in the dumps then suddenly… Each year, every year that’s the Harbaugh Niners. No reason to think otherwise just yet. Give a few more games then we’ll see what we have.

  152. NoFear49erNo Gravatar says:

    Just to be clear, Phil, do you think the coaches are going to get on a roll and all of a sudden “get” how to coach to finish their fourth season?

  153. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    Precisely guys, the bottom line is, we’re pretty static in the way we do business on Offense.

    Personally I think Kaep has regressed since the early part of the season.

    I’m still waiting for him to see, and utilize, the short middle of the field.
    He seems to favor the deep stuff.
    Too many wasted plays.

    I can’t say it’s the Coaching if he’s not seeing the options afforded to him on any given play.

    NYG Defense has been decimated with injuries.
    No reason for us to be in such a tight battle in that one.
    Quick hitters save sacks too.

  154. NJ49erNo Gravatar says:

    I’m curious to know how much desire Mike Holmgren has to return and, in what capacity.

    If they opt to part ways with Jim, Mike not be a terrible option.

    He was credited with developing Joe, along with taming a similar flame thrower like Favre.

    Kaep hasn’t found much touch yet.
    We’ll see where this coming month takes us but, there’s much to improve with this Offense and the QB running it.

  155. SkeebersNo Gravatar says:

    New post is up.

2021 Schedules
09/12: W 49ers 41, Lions 33
09/19: W 49ers 17, Eagles 11
09/26: L Packers 30, 49ers 28
10/03: L Seahawks 28, 49ers 21
10/10: L Cardinals 17, 49ers 10
10/17 BYE
10/24: L Colts 30, 49ers 18
10/31: W 49ers 33, Bears 22
11/07: L Cardinals 31, 49ers 17
11/15: W 49ers 31, Rams 10L
11/21: W 49ers 30, Jaguars 10
11/28: W 49ers 34, Vikings 26
12/05: L Seahawks 30, 49ers 23 12/12 · 10:00 AMCIN
12/19 · 1:05 PM v ATL
12/23 · 5:20 PM v TEN
01/02 · 1:05 PM v HOU
01/09 · 1:25 PM @ LAR

2021 Draft Class
1. QB Trey Lance, North Dakota State
2. OG Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
3. RB Trey Sermon, Ohio State
3. CB Ambry Thomas, Michigan
5. OG/OT Jaylon Moore, Western Michigan
5. CB Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon
5. S Talanoa Hufanga, USC
6. RB Elijah Mitchell, Louisiana
2021 Prognostications
Bullit: 12-5
Grumpy: 13-4
NJ49er: 11-6
Skeebers: 14-3
Winder: 12-5
Rob: 17-0
Spitblood: 0-17